Random works in mysterious ways. Whats happening today or this week probably won't be happeing next week. I learned this the hard way, just like you have to learn everything.
For instance. I'd see a complicated pattern and it almost always ended the same way. For session after session, day after day, week after week. So I'd always bet that way and it worked for a long time. Then it stopped. Out of nowhere, it didn't work anymore. Now it ended the opposite way. Or it didn't.
My point is, with random, you can't take anything for granted. This has been the mistake of thousands of system designers. They stumble into a period where their system is delivering nothing but positive results, even when the math tells them its not possible. So this must mean the math people are nuts, why don't they shut up and go away. Eventually they learn the truth, and their system fails miserably, just like the math said it would. But they still don't realize they were tricked by the random, so they look for another system, when they should really be trying to understand how the random works.
Great post spike, here is what I was told a while dozens are dozens Columns are like traitors lol they are like women they will suprise you always.
Spike is this true Columns act in a much more crazy way does this make Sense.
Stuart
Spike is this true Columns act in a much more crazy way>>>
You'll find they act no more crazy than the dozens do. Right now I'm playing a session I recorded on an airball wheel last month and the 1st column has only hit 10 times in the first 70 spins. Fender qould say thats not possible, but I recorded it myself, I was there. Bet the 2nd and 3rd columns and you would have killed.
"You'll find they act no more crazy than the dozens do" >>> EXACTLY what I said, ZERO difference. Ken
When you see something like the first dozen disappear for 75 spins, you'll also notice that nobody else even see's it. They keep piling money on the sleeping numbers because they don't see its sleeping. And I don't wise up chumps, it ain't my thing.
Quote from: Spike! on May 08, 2010, 10:48:09 PM
When you see something like the first dozen disappear for 75 spins, you'll also notice that nobody else even see's it. They keep piling money on the sleeping numbers because they don't see its sleeping. And I don't wise up chumps, it ain't my thing.
Do you have the guts?
Here is a fun thing to try. Let it ride for seven wins against a sleeping dozen:
10 / 10 - win = 10, total 30
15 / 15 - win = 15, total 45 -- hold 1
22 / 22 - win = 22, total 66
33 / 33 - win = 33, total 99
50 / 50 - win = 50, total 150 --- add back 1
75 / 75 - win = 75, total 225 --- hold 1
112 / 112 - win = 112, total 336 --- add back 1 = 337 total win.
I don't have the guts, I've seen too many dozens sleep for 15+ spins. Happens all the time. Best thing to do is wait for a long sleeper and then bet against the sleeper that comes after that. I've never seen back to back long sleeping dozens, not that that means anything.
15+ sleepers would be just fine. I'm saying bet the two that are not sleeping. Seven in a row for 20 units, 10 and 10. Heck, you can risk 20 to get 337. I see seven sleepers all the time. Heck, you do the same thing with seven singles in a row too. You just go for it once in a while.
I know what I have here is solid as granite. >>>
Solid as sandstone, ask your buddy who lost everything playing your Zone.
Uh they happen let me tell you.>>>
Nope, never seen a dozen sleep for 15 spins and immediately another dozen sleeps for 15 spins. But I don't have your vast experience. You should put that in your book.
I have seen this 17----14----21. >>>
What you never saw was 15 sleep, then another dozen immediately sleep for 15. I'm not talking about the other dozen sleeping when the the 1st 15 were sleeping, that doesn't count. I'm talking about an active dozen sleeping for 15 and another ACTIVE dozen sleeping for 15 immediately. Scarce as hens teeth, can happen but unlikely.
Do you think I discovered the fourth game by accident?>>>
Did you discover it the same way you discovered that one street hits more than the others? That should go in your book too, people really need to know about it.. You really have seen it all.
I never said one street hits more than the others.>>>
LOL! You most certainly did, I'll dig up the post if you like. This is the 3rd time you tried to deny it, we all saw it, you can't run away.
Careful Spike, posts have a habit of disappearing or being altered around here. Ken
I would like to make a little income off the zone>>
The Zone thread has been removed, it was all a hoax. Don't waste your time.
Quote from: Spike! on May 08, 2010, 10:25:50 PM
Spike is this true Columns act in a much more crazy way>>>
You'll find they act no more crazy than the dozens do. Right now I'm playing a session I recorded on an airball wheel last month and the 1st column has only hit 10 times in the first 70 spins. Fender qould say thats not possible, but I recorded it myself, I was there. Bet the 2nd and 3rd columns and you would have killed.
Thats what I said long ago:Following last 2 columns with their corr. colour/col-1+3+red/col-1+2+black/col.-2+3,without
a colour,is one of the most stable mechanic bets. 8) 8)
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 08, 2010, 11:00:21 PM
Do you have the guts?
Here is a fun thing to try. Let it ride for seven wins against a sleeping dozen:
10 / 10 - win = 10, total 30
15 / 15 - win = 15, total 45 -- hold 1
22 / 22 - win = 22, total 66
33 / 33 - win = 33, total 99
50 / 50 - win = 50, total 150 --- add back 1
75 / 75 - win = 75, total 225 --- hold 1
112 / 112 - win = 112, total 336 --- add back 1 = 337 total win.
Last month I played (unfortunately with no progression) against the angels, who slept for 16 spins
Angels :first six last six..
Results:
units
25 numbers 14 pays profit chances avrg profit
1 zero 1 36 22 2.7% 0.88
3 7-8-9 2 12 10 8.1% 1.2
2 12-15 1 18 4 5.4% 0.32
2 16-19 1 18 4 5.4% 0.32
3 22-23-24 2 12 10 8.1% 1.2
2 27-30 1 18 4 5.4% 0.32
4 10-11-13-14 2 9 4 10.8% 0.64
4 17-18-20-21 2 9 4 10.8% 0.64
4 25-26-28-29 2 9 4 10.8% 0.64
67.6% 6
angels sleeping 16
99
loss at the seventeenth -14
Net profit 85
Let me know when one of you guys have the nerve to play one of Fenders systems for real money on Dublinbet live.
Quote from: Herb6 on May 20, 2010, 04:17:35 PM
Let me know when one of you guys have the nerve to play one of Fenders systems for real money on Dublinbet live.
Every 5000-6000 spins will ruin y/r Profit with a Four. (consecutive) you can raise it a bit with only a 12 games limit.
And if you raising even higher, which Fender refused to do, it will ruin y'r fortune in every 35000-40000 spins..
you can raise it a bit with only a 12 games limit.
But that's not interesting..
The big question for me is : does a Six exist ?
Please answer, if that's not the case, it's the Holy grail..
Your comment doesn't make sense. Too many words are missing.
Quote from: Herb6 on May 20, 2010, 04:41:23 PM
Your comment doesn't make sense. Too many words are missing.
Please explain..
QuoteEvery 5000-6000 spins will ruin y/r Profit with a Four. (consecutive) you can raise it a bit with only a 12 games limit.
And if you raising even higher, which Fender refused to do, it will ruin y'r fortune in every 35000-40000 spins..
you can raise it a bit with only a 12 games limit.
But that's not interesting..
The big question for me is : does a Six exist ?
What is "y/r and y'r?
What is "does a Six exist"?
What is "And if you raising even higher," ?
Your post doesn't make any sense.
Quote from: Herb6 on May 20, 2010, 04:58:40 PM
What is "y/r and y'r?
What is "does a Six exist"?
What is "And if you raising even higher," ?
Your post doesn't make any sense.
your
a six consecutive loss related to Fender's system
does it exist ? I do'nt know, so I asked..
Will give you a pattern:
spins
1 d1
2 d1
3 d1
4 d2
5 1 d2
6 2 d2
7 3 d2
8 4 d1 Lost on d3
9 d1
10 d1
11 d1
12 d2
13 1 d1
14 2 d1
15 3 d1
16 4 d2 Lost on d3
17 d3
18 d3
19 d3
20 d2
21 1 d3
22 2 d3
23 3 d3
24 4 d2 Lost on d1
25 d2
26 d3
27 d3
28 d2
29 1 d3
30 2 d3
31 3 d3
32 4 d2 Lost on d1
33 d2
34 d3
35 d3
36 d2
37 1 d3
38 2 d3
39 3 d3
40 4 d2 Lost on d1
Raising means do another progression after the fourth consecutive Loss..
I'm sorry, but I don't see how this could possibly win.
Best of luck.
Quote from: Herb6 on May 20, 2010, 05:23:09 PM
I'm sorry, but I don't see how this could possibly win.
Best of luck.
Well it does'nt.. i explained that..
But for my satisfaction, the question have you seen a Six consecutive loss Pattern...
they must be rare..very rare.. that's all Herb..
No, they aren't rare. It's just that the system has you standing around for long periods of time without betting, so it creates the illusion that losses are rare.
The entire waiting to bet scenario is nothing more than a folly that Fender has people playing.
Quote from: Herb6 on May 20, 2010, 05:31:59 PM
No, they aren't rare. It's just that the system has you standing around for long periods of time without betting, so it creates the illusion that losses are rare.
The entire waiting to bet scenario is nothing more than a folly that Fender has people playing.
I partly agree with You..
I found 6 fours in roughly 4000 Games... not that rare..
Not a five yet, curious when i will find it..
But a Six.. I do'nt know..
Which is better, waiting for spins or waiting for a bus? A bus has a schedule, spins don't. Waiting for spins makes no sense.
Quote from: Spike! on May 20, 2010, 07:10:42 PM
Which is better, waiting for spins or waiting for a bus? A bus has a schedule, spins don't. Waiting for spins makes no sense.
You can wait for a bus with a schedule, indeed... :)
But if you do'nt know,there's a strike today...you can wait for a very long time..
All is relative..