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This poll doesnt mean I'm going to ban someone - I'm just getting a better idea of general consensus. If you are listed, it means nothing more than someone has complained about you. If you are not listed and feel you should be, well you arsehole.

PS:

1. If everyone would just "lighten up" and have a sense of humor, things would be a lot better. Perhaps have fun here. Discussions dont always need to be "productive" - we are people of common interest. But if discussions arent about roulette then they should be kept to the general area.

2. It may be that some of the so-called "negative" people speak the truth. For example, you could say someone is "full of shit" (negative/offensive), or that they are "incorrect, and here is the proof....." (constructive). Speaking plainly though, we all know within reason that many people are "full of shit".

3. I get the feeling trying to reason with some members is a waste of time, and nothing will change. It's like in society in general. There are dickheads, and we'd all be better off if they were gone. But we dont need to kill anyone here - just remove them from the forum. So give me feedback on who you think shouldnt be here. Sure this thread may turn into another storm but it's necessary to solve the problem.

Stackbundles, I added Number Six to the poll. No, we are not sword-fighting.

PS - If anyone changes their mind, you can 'remove vote' and change it.

PPS - If anyone thinks someone else should be in the list, let me know. It is not a poll to just piss off your "enemy" by voting for them, but of course some people are inclined that way - actually it's that kind of person I dont want here.

What rules have I broken?

You can't justify a banning without saying why. It's absurd.

I'm giving a polite comment..... what is it with the polls? Yes, I did vote, for no one to be banned. Ken

Sorry Steve but I don't understand this thread.

You put there members with no reason at all for being banned !

Gizmo is a member like everyone else. He just claims that can win by playing at trends, and we have to respect it (In my opinion I believe it is possible). And I don't saw any disrespectful behavior by him anywhere.

Spike just hates losing systems! ahah  But he just tries to protect some members to lose money. Sometimes he is aggressive in his words, but still not a big deal.

Fender1000 was always nice to everyone. I don't see a reason to ban him

StackBundles, well he have an aggressive behavior, but it's just his way to be. He can't see nobory saying it doesn't work xD  Still no way to ban him too I think.

Number Six, same as spike. Kinda negative in his words, but a very helpful and respectful member.


I think you should worry more with some multi accounts we have here in the forum, trying to sell stuff.

No hard feelings Steve.
Just saying my opinion ;)

Best regards,
Afonso

I think fender1000 should be removed from the poll because he made a real contribution to playing Roulette. He discovered the idea of betting against the very rare pattern/sequence from occurring very often. This idea of attacking a very rare sequence is very interesting. I don't think we have seen the end of this idea.

Just my 2 cents...

Whats his method called?  Ken

Quote from: Stackbundles on May 16, 2010, 09:06:22 PM
theres defo something going on with you and number six am I right?

How exactly?

Quote from: Stackbundles on May 16, 2010, 09:42:01 PM
you tell me ;)

Is that supposed to be an answer? You said it, there must be a reason, so what are you talking about?

QuoteWhat rules have I broken?

You can't justify a banning without saying why. It's absurd.

Like I said:

1. if your name is up there, it means people have complained about you. It has nothing to do with me.

2. It is not a poll to actually ban someone. As I explained it's more for me to get a general idea of what the members think.

More than one of the listed people are aggressive - too aggressive. Yes, this IS a problem. It is often offensive beyond mere opinions. Sure aggressive or not, the people may often be correct with what they say. But how they go about it is usually the problem - it pushes people away from contributing, and reduces forum integrity.

So to keep the forum productive and friendly,

a. ban members that stifle productivity, in whatever way

b. let the offensive and/or aggressive behavior continue... because these people dont clearly break the rules, but their behavior does ultimately contribute to an unfriendly and less productive place?

To be perfectly blunt: I dont at all like the way some of you speak to other members. But some of you are good contributors too. Someone like Wendel just posts bullshit and goes in circles - sure he can type, but that's not contributing. I need to figure out which members are ultimately either good or bad for the forum, and realistically I dont have time to make informed decisions so I need to rely on feedback from members, hence the poll.

PS - I dont even know why you people are arguing 99% of the time. Do you really affect each others lives that much? Are the issues really that important?

Number Six, please dont expose our secret love affair. I wont let you be on top next time.
(in other words, why does everything need to be a struggle, always some kind of argument like some people live for it, always something needing to be going on? Just get on with it)

Quote from: Steve on May 16, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Number Six, please dont expose our secret love affair. I wont let you be on top next time.
(in other words, why does everything need to be a struggle, always some kind of argument like some people live for it, always something needing to be going on? Just get on with it)

Why should I idly stand around while stackbundles makes up nonsense?

I voted that nobody be banned. This isn't a democracy, where the members decide who goes and who stays. Its up to the mods and the ower to do that. If somebody posts a system that has no chance of winning and you say so, you are labeled a 'hater'. Its like people don't want to be warned a truck is about to hit them. Gamblers ar extremely competitive and it shows on gambling forums. Go and look at a sports betting forum, if your're a newbie they eat you for breakfast. To be interesting , every forum needs balance. Herb and Six balance out Fender and Stack. Why would you want any of them gone, it makes no sense.

Rather than bite back, report poor behavior. In this case, it's not exactly large enough to be called "poor behavior". It was just a stupid comment, and it wasnt even worth responding to.

Spike, yes there needs to be balance. But there is a line as to what's acceptable from any member. It is good to speak the truth, but bad to do it in an aggressive and condescending tone. With all the egos around, it's bound to erupt. Who's penis really is biggest? We may never know.

I dont want to get off the subject too much but....... If you want to post a method, thats fine. Post it as is and STOP attaching claims of glory and "you will never lose" with it, thats my gripe. Yes, I was a bit goofy with Fender but when you post wild claims, you OPEN yourself up to being laughed at. Post a method and YOUR JOB IS DONE!! Answer a few questions and go have a damn beer.  Ken

Who's penis really is biggest? We may never know.>>

Thats simple, you're the owner, yours is biggest. I'll vote on that.  :lol: :lol: :haha:

QuoteThats simple, you're the owner, yours is biggest. I'll vote on that

Spike, we agree. Mine is down to HERE.

QuoteI dont want to get off the subject too much but....... If you want to post a method, thats fine. Post it as is and STOP attaching claims of glory and "you will never lose" with it, thats my gripe. Yes, I was a bit goofy with Fender but when you post wild claims, you OPEN yourself up to being laughed at. Post a method and YOUR JOB IS DONE!! Answer a few questions and go have a damn beer.  Ken

Wow I agree with you too, on the same day.

Quotemines big but you will never know unless your a woman

I heard you blow your stackbundles prematurely,.. sorry I mean bankroll.

Ahh.. nothing like a bit of penis humor to bring males together and ease the tension. We arent all that different. I'll be the first to admit though I'm not really that big down there. It's only 16cm, after the third shortening operation.

All this penis conversation will chase Davey Jones and Noble Savage attention !
Beware  :skull:

>:D

Quote from: Stackbundles on May 16, 2010, 09:39:27 PM
I dont get you giz you was giving abuse about his system now the change? whats going on

I took the idea and made it my own. I have it working with good results in testing. I'm not sure it's just a lucky stretch or an effective progression yet. It shouldn't work. The only reason is does is that the pattern is so very rare that kills it. At some point that killing pattern will have to jump to life or it must be an effective realization as the alternative. I'm leaning toward it being effective. If you noticed it was Fender1000 that could not stand that I could know something instantly about his invention. I could instantly see how to engineer it to my expectations. I could see the innovation and the monumental achievement that he stumbled across. Both of you started criticizing me so I used you as fodder for your own anger. In other words I deliberately used you against yourselves. There is a price to be paid for being so confident with yourselves that you don't need any assistance. I also had the idea that I was not going to share my hard work, all the years it took me to be able to see things like this instantly. I found the claims of 11 years to be unbelievable and insist that that probably never happened.

Now, does any of all that take away from fender1000 what he has discovered? I say no. He can be a bumbling braggart that is so excited by his "Zone" and all of its derivatives that he tends to stretch things just a little bit. That does not bother me at all. I'm big enough to give the guy the credit while at the same time being completely misunderstood by him in discussions. I set out to see if he really had all that knowledge and experience. I found that search to be shallow in results. In fact, he just reacted to my inquisitions. You tagged along like some obedient dog. I just don't have the same respect for you as I do Fender1000. That's mainly of your own doing. Now, everything has been said, just in case I get banned.

Spike, we agree. Mine is down to HERE.>>

Hey, word gets out man, we heard that way up here in the States. Why do you think Mark Howe is so bonkers towards you, he needs tweezers to even find his. Bago had his cut off because he didn't know what it was for.. :lol:

does any of all that take away from fender1000 what he has discovered?>>>

Somebody posted something in Fender's thread yesterday that really helped me and instantly clicked, verifying something I had suspected for awhile. Good info comes in bits and pieces and you never know form whence it will come.

@Steve >> Thing is, "My Method" which is posted everywhere and has close to 30,000 views, lots of posts, a *TON* of emails etc. I dont cry if people dont like the thread/method. Dont read it, dont play it, whatever. There are a couple here that go on the warpath if you are not willing to eat the corn out of their s**t. They get very offended, I dont understand it?  Ken

There are a couple here that go on the warpath if you are not willing to eat the corn out of their s**t. They get very offended, I dont understand it? >>>

Thats because you not only talk the talk, you walk the walk. You actually go to the casino and put your huge BR on the line and win. Its makes you immune to negative comments, you know it works, why do you care what anybody says about it. You convinced the casino, nobody else matters.

Gizmotron & Spike: Our disagreements and bîtch-fighting aside, I really don't see why they should be banned. I'd get bored. :spiteful:

Number Six: Are you kidding? What did he do to get banned, speak the cold hard truth? That's absurd.

Stackbundles: Has a history of bad posting behavior/language, but seems to behave better now. No issues with him as long as he remembers that this is a Roulette forum, not the ghetto.

fender1000: Is leading people on a wild goose chase with his nonsense systems and silly claims. Passes himself as a roulette expert when the opposite is clearly true. All he does is say how great his "Zone" is, even if that means hijacking another thread. Has a sneaky similarity to Charles Hampshire.  -- I personally could do without him around.

Ha!

Number Six is winning!...awesome!  :lol:

Has it really come to this?

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Wouldn't this be more humane?

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Should this be the avatar of those on the list?

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I think we can find somewhere in the middle.. so to speak

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How can we have a poll to ban members without Mr J. on the list... it just doesn't seem right.  :lol:

This is a roulette site, this would be fitting:

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How can we have a poll to ban members without Mr J. on the list...>>

Or Herb. Are you telling me NOBODY complained about Herb?

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Quote from: Spike! on May 17, 2010, 12:29:27 AM
This is a roulette site, this would be fitting:

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Why not add a bit of random fluctuation...

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This would make a UK guy feel at home.

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Take a good close look at this bull's face. Determination. And he is rewarded. I've seen the video of this event. Disturbing. Good on ya bull.. Get some.

Anyway my point is .. not much at all. Just thought we'd set a bull on banned members.

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It has happened a few times I know of. On them video shows.

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See now I'm wasting time. Supposed to be working.

Get a load of this engineering perfection:

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The bull was just making a point.

I received a request for Herb to be in this list too. Again you can remove your vote and change it to someone else if you want.

Once again this poll is nothing formal - I just want to get an idea of who people think shouldnt be here.

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"Not mother?"

I received a request for Herb to be in this list too.>>

Bout time.

If I find a user that is suspected of being that sick dickless wonder, once it is clear, see how long he lasts. Do you really expect there to be any poll about it?

PS - He doesnt appear to be thomas grant, based on ip, isp etc.

"How can we have a poll to ban members without Mr J. on the list" >>> Still at it Bombus? lol The ONLY way to get me banned (twice) is for BIAS to kick in and blame it on..."the others". Sound familiar?  I could not live like that but hey, knock yourself out big dogg.  Ken

Ken I added you too, more for fun. I dont think anyone has complained about you for some time though. The love between you and Bombus is strong - relish it.

Quote from: Noble Savage on May 16, 2010, 11:00:33 PM


Number Six: Are you kidding? What did he do to get banned, speak the cold hard truth? That's absurd.

It's a joke. I would actually delete myself if I had broken any forum rules. If I'm "unproductive or negative", those things aren't against the rules. They need rewriting. Last time I checked I could say whatever I wanted. Now I can't because the little schoolgirls are having a hissy fit. It's a lynching. Why not just tar and feather me on the way out.

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And just like that....I'm on the list. lol Slowly, slowly as I have stated at GG in the past. Rookies, what to do with them? lol  Ken

Now watch how my votes JUMP up to 26.  Ken

Get rid of the best posters and you'll have whats going on at GG, a freaking ghostown. That place is scary now..

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Quote from: Jordan27 on May 17, 2010, 06:00:19 AM
Spike and Gizmotron should get banned!
They are members with fake fantasies and fake drams....but the problem is that thay want to convince the other members to have these fake fantasies too!!!!!

I tried to have a drink of a fake dram, but it just turned out to be a Canadian Whiskey.

I might be wrong but you are completely clueless of the topic yet you think that you can correctly describe something you know nothing about. There must be a picture of you somewhere with your head up your ass. It's the forum's sad luck that I'm held back from telling everyone what I really think of you. Sometimes it's right to tell a fool he is a fool. It's just very rare, like the "Zone." You and I could never get in a fair flame war. Yes, you'd get your chance to speak. It's just that you would need to get your mother to hold your diapers from all the pant-loads you would drop everywhere.

Quote from: Jordan27 on May 17, 2010, 10:59:07 AM
do you all see what I mean? :)

Spike and Gizmo just say : I can win ..I can win!!! ;D ;D

and when someone tell them that its mathimatic impossible to win...they are just attacking!
WITHOUT any PROOF!!!!!

Do you remember this:

Quote@Gizmotron can u explain WHY the trends are giving an advantage?? what is the reason behind it?

I answered you. But you pulled a Claude Rains. So you are totally full of buffalo chips. You want to read a bitter and clueless wannabe? Just read all of Jordan27's postings. He's a Physics Nazi. All I see is a Pot Kettle Black moment.

Quote from: Van_GoghsEar on May 17, 2010, 11:06:07 AM
I voted Spike because I know someone who lend him his online account to make money with his "guess" on player/banker at baccarat.  Soon after the guy changed his password because Spike was burning his bankroll.

Sorry, Spike was winning. It was a well published, well known test. Just ask Spike to explain why the test ended. Your vote is the result of propaganda. Nice going.

Quote from: Jordan27 on May 17, 2010, 11:16:22 AM
U did NOT explain to me ot to anyoone ANYTHING!
And this is because U can not explain anything.
And this is because YOU do NOT know ANYTHING!
And this is because there is NOT ANYTHING!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Oh I fogot!!!There is SOMTHING! But only in ur fantasy world ;)

What about this?

Quote from: Jordan27 on April 13, 2010, 05:57:12 AM
@Gizmotron

can u explain WHY the trends are giving an advantage??
what is the reason behind it?

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 13, 2010, 01:13:40 PM
Trends always give an advantage when they last a long time in your favor. It's always a risk to start betting on a trend. It's also a risk to make any bet based on any premise. In any case you establish a trend line for past bets placed. You can see when the effectiveness is in a state of dominance of wins or dominance of losses. You can see when your session is just chaotic and that you are not getting anywhere.

Skeptics believe that the probability for how many trends that must end, as you begin to bet them, will equalize any previous advantage that you may have had. One problem with that theory. Probability odds are not consistent. In fact, those odds go through the exact same characteristics as effectiveness. It's possible to create a time line graph that shows probability changing from spin to spin. Math oriented players are too lazy to create graphs that would help them to understand randomness as when it is related directly to current states.

It's not important to attempt to bring along those that are stuck on fixed probability odds. They don't get it and they have stopped themselves from proving it to themselves. It's kind of like Global Warming scientists. They believe what they want to and  damn those that don't.

Beware of the next big thing, Wobble Globing.

You are a liar.

Quote from: Van_GoghsEar on May 17, 2010, 11:41:20 AM
It is not a known test, the guy who blocked Spike from losing his bankroll entirely didn't want to make it public because Spike is already very disliked, just like you.

Let me guess, It's Johno, from GG right? Perhaps its Donali or another snowman/herb. You're definitely somebody from GG.

Quote from: Van_GoghsEar on May 17, 2010, 12:01:57 PM
I am Mr James Wendel.   Let me teach you how to find the winning horses of all races all over the world.   lol

I only take tips from Nathan Detroit - LOL

Quote from: Van_GoghsEar on May 17, 2010, 11:06:07 AM
I voted Spike because I know someone who lend him his online account to make money with his "guess" on player/banker at baccarat.  Soon after the guy changed his password because Spike was burning his bankroll.

You re full of s--t. This is a lie, you're nuts. I never played bac online, I never used anybodies account. C'mon Steve, thats why this is so bogus. Some jerk with 7 posts can make up anyhig he wants and vote? This is ridiculous.

Quote from: Van_GoghsEar on May 17, 2010, 12:01:57 PM
I am Mr James Wendel.   Let me teach you how to find the winning horses of all races all over the world.   lol

That would explain it.

Quote from: Steve on May 16, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Number Six, please dont expose our secret love affair.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[/url] Get Mark Howe's roulette computer scam for FREE at nolinks://nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/warnmark.html <-- This is an automatic word replacement/Bago/>>>

Bago again? Is this a Bago Day or something?

Everyone needs to stop taking this thread so seriously. I've explained exactly why it was started.

QuoteBago again? Is this a Bago Day or something?

Spike, every now and then bago and howe have their conniptions. thats just what they do. it gives you insight as to how small their world is. From an outside perspective, I'm not sure if it's more sad or pathetic.

I'll remove this thread and poll shortly. Voting has closed.

btw, Gizmo has been banned for another 3 days for foul language. I did not look into why he said what he said and it was irrelevant. Next time I'll remove him permanently.

Why can't adults handle a little freedom of speech every now and then? Just because I think you are a total prick doesn't mean you shouldn't have the right to speak your mind and sound like a total prick. It's your god given right at far as I'm concerned. Personally I don't think anyone should be banned for anything that they say. Public forums should be more like Speaker's Corner and less like North Korea.

Personally I think the swear filters are a joke too. We are all adults on a GAMBLING forum. It's not like we haven't heard these words before, we are all (I hope) over 18. And I'm pretty sure we know what was being said anyway. But I honestly can't remember the last time I was physically injured by an F-Bomb. Plus I think if someone goes over board with personal insults and racial slurs, the wrath of an entire forum is much more effective than a swear filter.

Just my thoughts.