I'm sure everyone here knows by now that there's a new forum that has been started by good old Victor.
In essence, it's theater of the absurd. It's a forum where the young, naive and inexperienced are trying to develop systems to beat the game of roulette. The blissfully ignorant are still trying to develop, "just the right, up as you lose progression to win, and people there think you can step outside of probability by waiting for events to become "due" by tracking LWs.
All of this is taking place because of ignorance. All because they have simply chosen not to read an encyclopedia explaining the history of the game and because they refuse to build on the actual facts that are known about the game and the gaming device.
You guys here on VLS have the opportunity to build methods that really can win by building on the facts that are known about beating the wheel. Move ahead, rather than tooling around in a fools folly. Let Victors new forum be the one for the "newbies". There really are Advantage Play forums on the internet, but Victor's new forum most certainly is not one of them.
When someone states that they are not a "mathboy" they are essentially bragging that they are ignorant and mathematically illiterate.
-Herb :)
Here's a book I recommend for all of them. They can buy it in bulk from Amazon.
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>When someone states that they are not a "mathboy" they are essentially bragging that they are ignorant and mathematically illiterate. >>>
LOL! MY my, can you get any higher on your high horse or your math nose any farther in the air?
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Math is OK as far as it goes. You can certainly change it to your favor if you know what you're doing.
- Even if Victor knew Fender is sick-Charles, he wouldn't ban him because his moving there brings in more members.
- System play forums do more harm than good to people who are new to gambling (mainly by sending them in a wild goose chase, a huge waste of time and money which may or may not end, depending on the person's intelligence and learning speed).
- The less public advantage play forums, the better. -Says someone who thinks about the future of AP.
- While ignorance and misinformation is a big factor in creating and sustaining this "theater of the absurd", in the end it remains all a matter of choice. Those involved chose to do what they do, chances are you won't/can't "wise the sucker up".
Just my two chips worth. :angel:
The members of the new forum have no idea what's in store for them. The forum will be a haven for system scammers like the Numeris and Enigimista guys. They are the guys that claim that roulette was invented by ancient monks. (I'm not joking. lol)
Victor is in very tight with these guys. He is also a member of the Numeris Envoy. So beware. (FYI, I'm not saying Victor is part of the scam. However, the envoy is destined to become part of the forum.)
A few years ago there was an elaborate scam where a member by the name of Gamlet pretended to have the secrets to win at roulette via a system called the Enigimista. He would offer hints and claim some of the secrets were hidden in his avatar. The scam was one where desperate people would offer money to buy additional hints via email in vein attempts to make the system work. At the time approx. 75% of the forum took the bait because they were naive, ignorant, or conspiracy minded.
The Numeris Envoy people are currently attempting to turn the Numeris garbage into a full blown cult where members pay to learn the secrets of numerology and the universe.
Steer clear and get educated.
-Herb :)
Quote from: Noble Savage on May 25, 2010, 01:05:49 AM
- System play forums do more harm than good to people who are new to gambling (mainly by sending them in a wild goose chase, a huge waste of time and money which may or may not end, depending on the person's intelligence and learning speed).
Well there wasn't an internet and there were no valuable books for Roulette when I started. So I made all those mistakes. I lost all that money. At least now there are opportunities to hone your skills and to test your systems without spending real money. I say making all the mistakes is all part of learning to be a crafty and savvy player. Sure, almost everyone wants to get there fast and easy. I'm not sure that is possible. People just have to live through making huge mistakes. Let them crash and burn. "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."
The members of the new forum have no idea what's in store for them. <<<
Oh balderdash. Evrybody has to learn the hard way, its the only way. The only way to find what works is to find what doesn't. If you're so concerned with wising up the chumps, Herb, put away your violin and open up a foum of your own and teach them. The problem is, they don't want to be taught, they already know it all. Experience will show them what works and whats junk.
The truth about any forum is no real player would want anything of true value to be published on a public forum - they would want to keep it hush-hush. Strategies that do work have been shared on occasions, but typically the basics - not the real nitty gritty.
I'll make a private section for serious advantage players if they want to discuss and develop methods. It will be strictly by invitation only, and the rest of the group needs to agree to the addition of new members. It'll be in the advantage play section shortly. Will it be a busy section? I think not, but at least it'll be secure board for serious players who want to discuss sensitive topics.
As for Victor's forum, my understanding was it was supposed to all be pre-moderation, and focusing on quality not quantity. It doesn't appear to be turning out that way. How Victor runs his new forum is his business, like how I run my forums is mine. they each cater for different audiences too. But there is just no place for clowns like charles, and/or scammers purely out to sell garbage. However, certainly at the early stage of any forum, it actually does the forum good to have any new content - even if it's pure spewdom. The downside of that though, is you attract that kinda crowd, and there is no quality. Then it becomes a zoo full of dickheads like charles. It's be great if you sell advertising on the site, but it wouldnt be productive for members. But good for advertising or not, I'll never let a forum go "that way".
but typically the basics - not the real nitty gritty>>
Nope.
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>>by invitation only, and the rest of the group needs to agree to the addition of new members.>>
Hmm. That should be interesting.
You never want to give too much away.
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Quote from: Gizmotron on May 25, 2010, 01:20:56 AM
I say making all the mistakes is all part of learning to be a crafty and savvy player. Sure, almost everyone wants to get there fast and easy. I'm not sure that is possible. People just have to live through making huge mistakes. Let them crash and burn. "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."
I agree with that view.
"Everybody has to learn the hard way, its the only way. The only way to find what works is to find what doesn't" >>> 100% CORRECT! Its kind of like, 'putting in your time'. If you are NEW to the game, in my opinion, you have a LONG road ahead of you. Ken
Most might learn the hard way, but it is possible to avoid it. Casinos allow you to watch without playing.
Ron.
QuoteVictor is in very tight with these guys. He is also a member of the Numeris Envoy. So beware. (FYI, I'm not saying Victor is part of the scam. However, the envoy is destined to become part of the forum.)
Hello Herb.
The only "scam (???)" I am willing to participate about is to devote coding time for other people to have custom testing programs for them to automate the tests they already want to make on a system. And yes, I'm ok with taking money from people that asks me to devote my time to create testing software for them.
Even if the system sucks, it is still my time and it is still creating custom computer software according to a particular person's need and that isn't freeware.
I even registered nolinks://roulettesoftware.cc (nolinks://roulettesoftware.cc) (soon to open) so my "scam" will be getting some compensation for my coding time :)
Victor, didnt you know that selling something automatically means you're a scammer? I'm not referring to anyone specifically - it's just the general attitude on roulette forums. Normally though it is actually correct, but people are quick to assume.
Well, selling bread and milk to the general public does not make one a scammer, I agree with that. Ken
If getting compensated for my coding time is a scam, then welcome "Scammer Vic" :biggrin:
Ken it's a common assumption that if someone sells something that makes the user money, then it is not good enough for the actual seller to use. In Victor's case, he is offering a legitimate service - same as me.
"makes the user money" >>> POSSIBLY makes the user money, now I got it. I have zero problem with Victor. Ken
I'll be aiming to the very lazy people. I'm trying hard to include the easiest of the easiest scripting language for testing methods (BASIC-like) and make the easiest functions for people to create scripts... but even then I know that most people just HATE programming and would rather spare a few dollars for getting the code done.
The diligent will have enough with sparing the fiver for the basic framework. And don't get me wrong: I'm willing to teach others to code and I'm delighted to answer the smart questions from them when they are attempting to program and get stuck; thing is I realized coding is just not for everyone: there is plenty of people who simply don't want to code (too busy, too lazy, etc) --even if the scripting language is easy, and hence there's a market :)
I'll be the first one to sign up for Vic' service, he has great ideas and is a very good and thorough programmer. i used his help and can tell u he is always ready to go extra mile and do a great job.
btw honestly i don't think 5 bucks a month is a fair compensation price for him as a programmer, coder and ideas generator.
Victor when your site is ready, feel free to announce it, and we can integrate it into this forum if it proves popular. I may even use your services myself depending on your rates vs rates from my own programmers. I had previously asked for coders willing to test principles, but it seems nobody was willing - paying someone is another option.
Thanks Iggiv, there's the looks:
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It is being a pain in the arse to code as it is modular and has plenty of communication in between modules.
For instance instead of a single bloated soft with everything, the modular approach allows it to be versatile, eventually it can be made into a bot or actually anything, as modules don't care if the input comes from a user clicking a roulette layout, numbers grabbed from an online casino screen or voice recognition software. They just receive, process and pass their processed data to the next module for it to act :)
Also, the subscription model is necessary as this can be described as "online software". The program basically checks if the membership is active and always downloads the latest binary version, so users never have to worry about downloading anything else, bugfixes and new modules just magically appear on the available list.
A demo version with 45 minutes a day for free is in order, no limiting days. So I'm giving 20+ hours of free use a month. Whoever needs more than that can't be named an ocassional user and has to pay.
We'll see where it leads...
Quote from: Steve on May 30, 2010, 11:47:35 PM
Victor when your site is ready, feel free to announce it, and we can integrate it into this forum if it proves popular. I may even use your services myself depending on your rates vs rates from my own programmers. I had previously asked for coders willing to test principles, but it seems nobody was willing - paying someone is another option.
Thanks Steve,
I've been working hard to make this a memorable software. By taking the extra step of shattering the components into pieces I believe it can provide the flexibility to please everyone, as little or as large the requirement may be.
Cheers!