I was sitting in a casino waiting for my wife to get done playing slots. I was at a vacant roulette table and was watching the marquee of another wheel. I had never played roulette in my life and I assumed it was like BJ, where you study the discarded cards or spins and figure out your bet. So I was doing it in my head on R/B and after an hour, I was ahead by 15 units. Wow, I thought, that was easy. Everybody must be doing this.
Wrong. It turns out not only is nobody doing it, it makes people froth at the mouth to even talk about it. So like an innocent chump, I kept playing it at home and got real good at it. Thats my story in a nutshell..
I always liked numbers and puzzles...
So when I got 12 years, I saw a cousin of mine playing roulette for fun and he told me: "Never play this, it's a impossible game to win", but in my innocent age I got interested by it
So I start learning more, looking for easy money at the begin, after a while I realized it would never be easy money and I started thinking it as one more puzzle for me to solve...
And years passed by, and the puzzle is still for solve :-\
Probably I will never found that missing part of it, still it keeps my interest :scratch_ones_head:
Afonso
Nice thread.
I never stepped into a casino and always considered casino gambling as a form of entertainment designed for suckers.
I then watched the poker movie "Rounders" and while it didn't get me into poker, it got me interested and intrigued by this so called "professional gambling" as a whole. That's where it all started. I did some research and stumbled upon some info on Ed. Thorp and his work and I found it fascinating. I then found this roulette betting system in some website...
A few days later I played my first martingale. I lost my BR not long after and realized what a mistake that was. I spent about 1 year researching and testing mechanical roulette systems/strategies in the unrewarding search for THE system. The following chapter in my roulette journey would be ditching system play and spending about 1 year with non-mechanical approaches and what some refer to as "educated guessing" (while simultaneously cultivating an interest in AP). That chapter too had to end, and I finally turned to AP and currency trading. :)
Quote from: Noble Savage on June 25, 2010, 11:26:21 PM
Nice thread.
I never stepped into a casino and always considered casino gambling as a form of entertainment designed for suckers.
I then watched the poker movie "Rounders" and while it didn't get me into poker, it got me interested and intrigued by this so called "professional gambling" as a whole. That's where it all started. I did some research and stumbled upon some info on Ed. Thorp and his work and I found it fascinating. I then found this roulette betting system in some website...
A few days later I played my first martingale. I lost my BR not long after and realized what a mistake that was. I spent about 1 year researching and testing mechanical roulette systems/strategies in the unrewarding search of THE system. The following chapter in my roulette journey would be ditching system play and spending about 1 year with non-mechanical approaches and what some refer to as "educated guessing" (while simultaneously cultivating an interest in AP). That chapter too had to end, and I finally turned to AP and currency trading. :)
I guess this is as good a testimony as any that some smart people just can't do educated guessing.
"I spent about 1 year researching and testing mechanical roulette systems/strategies in the unrewarding search for THE system" >>> Yep, a year. That sounds correct for the average before giving up. As God is my witness, that is not an insult. It just makes me look more right. 'They' try for a short time and then say f**k it. All thats left is WAITING for someone to post a good method, never playing again or wild claims of "AP (cough) saved my life and marriage". :girl_wacko: Ken
Quote from: Gizmotron on June 25, 2010, 11:56:25 PM
I guess this is as good a testimony as any that some smart people just can't do educated guessing.
Will take that as a compliment.
Quote from: Mr J on June 26, 2010, 01:31:21 AM
"I spent about 1 year researching and testing mechanical roulette systems/strategies in the unrewarding search for THE system" >>> Yep, a year. That sounds correct for the average before giving up. As God is my witness, that is not an insult. It just makes me look more right. 'They' try for a short time and then say f**k it. All thats left is WAITING for someone to post a good method, never playing again or wild claims of "AP (cough) saved my life and marriage". :girl_wacko: Ken
Ow, someone is a bit bitter. :)
That progression of yours crashed again Ken? Try not to drink too much.
Bitter? After your comment of 'giving up' after ONLY one year, I'm lovin it. I have always guessed that most (not all) give up after a short period of time. Try creating/testing methods (your own) for YEARS, 30 hours a week. Thats 30 of non-betting, at home research, NOT counting when you actually start betting at a REAL casino. Ken
Wow! That must be it. Spending my life creating/testing roulette systems. :lol:
Do you realize how pathetic you sound?
FYI, I tested way more systems I created than ones I've collected, and I've collected MANY. It takes me 2 days max to code and test a system over hundreds of thousands of spins (if not more).
PS. As always, you keep making yourself seem pretty insecure/jealous as far as roulette Advantage Play is concerned. Get over it? ???
Leave this nice thread and go start another thread about casino hookers. ::)
@Noble Sewage >> Dont get pissed at others because you FAILED at this game. You have no one to blame except yourself. You're a quitter and a bullshitter and we ALL know that. :'( Ken
Quote from: Mr J on June 26, 2010, 11:09:55 AM
Dont get pissed at others because you FAILED at this game.
Ah, so because I realized what a joke system-play is and moved on, that means I failed at this game? It's like how Spike/Gizmo think that just because one of us doesn't make millions with their "educated guessing", he must be a failure. Very well then, you win. Enjoy your one dimensional existence. ;D As for me, it's the truth of this game I seek, not ego.
I saw different dimensions, and traveled to them. I like what that taught me, and where it lead me.
"If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things through narrow chinks of his cavern." - William Blake
We agree on one thing. We both seek the truth and AP (cough) is not it. Not today, not now. I am not saying you can not find a 'tilted' wheel out of 400 but I'm not about to go lookin. And DS? ;D Ken
Okay. So based on your vast experience with wheel tilt in modern casinos:
1) What is the average number of tilted wheels, and the average number semi-tilted wheels? (1 in 400 assures me that you have zero real world experience with all of this)
2) What is the angle of tilt required so that a wheel shows a dominant drop? (yes, it's a very small one)
3) How difficult is it for a casino owner to maintain all wheels perfectly level at all times without setting up dedicated tilt-detection hardware on every wheel? How needed/practical that is considering the very low number of REAL vb players (out of all players)?
This is what you are doing and I dont fault you for it. You are thinking in terms of THEORY....on paper 'what ifs', thats all. I said it before.....if I visited ANY of the AP (cough) guys for 10 days and followed them around etc. What would I see? Average win/loss days at the casino. Rotor speed, tilted wheels, release point..... :haha: It sounds COOL, thats all. Ken
Staying on the thread subject.....why/how did I get started? I knew that roulette had high payouts and the other players could not affect my play. Its different with cards and perhaps dice. With roulette, other bets will not determine if I win or lose or where the ball lands etc. Before we had roulette in my town, I would drive almost two hours to the nearest casino. I started out with a marty....then different outside bets......fewer and fewer numbers bet. I'm now comfortable with playing 1-4 numbers. It was all trial and error and I lost a TON. lol I know that three years from now, my BRs will last longer and through trial and error, I'll know more about the game compared to now. I said it before, if you play this game year after year after year and you are no more ahead then when you first started, STOP playing, you have learned nothing. Learn from mistakes, I did. Ken
Most of the smart people who try to beat roulette start with the assumption they can't do it, becuase they have a math background that tells them its hopeless. So all they really do is prove to themselves that it is hopeless. What a glorious achievement. Congratulations. Enjoy AP. Just realize that some of us are capable of thinking outside the box and we aren't tied down to erroneous conclusions that we were taught by ohers who didn't know what they were doing either.
Poor old Spikey, such bitterness and vitriol. I hope I'm more content with life when I reach your age. :'(
When you get time between practising educated guessing (splutter) and posting here, devote a little time to some study (nolinks://nolinks.amazon.com/Logic-Dummies-LASTZegarelli/dp/0471799416/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277584381&sr=8-1).
It should just about be within your budget, but don't forget to save some pennies for the bus to the casino! :lol:
devote a little time to some study.>>
These are the strangest conversations. You're actually tyring to convince me that if I study more, I'll stop winning. If I study more, I'll discover that I can't be winning at all, and it will go away. You're the religious convert trying to convince the happy atheist that he can't be happy because he doesn't have Jesus in his life. The athiest looks at you as a clueless oddball. I don't think you're clueless, just majorly in denial. You're the one on the wrong track, my friend, I'm the one who gets paid on a regular basis by the casino. Money talks and all that.. :lol:
Quote from: Spike! on June 25, 2010, 09:51:10 PM
I was sitting in a casino waiting for my wife to get done playing slots. I was at a vacant roulette table and was watching the marquee of another wheel. I had never played roulette in my life and I assumed it was like BJ, where you study the discarded cards or spins and figure out your bet. So I was doing it in my head on R/B and after an hour, I was ahead by 15 units. Wow, I thought, that was easy. Everybody must be doing this.
Spike's inconsistencies/contradictions continue to mount. Where are we up to now?
1) "Educated guessing takes years of practice"
2) "Wow, I thought, that was easy. Everybody must be doing this."
:sarcastic:
THIS IS THE BEST!! >> "You're actually tyring to convince me that if I study more, I'll stop winning. If I study more, I'll discover that I can't be winning at all, and it will go away." (You say it like I cant Spike, good job) Ken
Quote from: Bayes on June 27, 2010, 01:53:11 PM
Spike's inconsistencies/contradictions continue to mount. Where are we up to now?
1) "Educated guessing takes years of practice"
2) "Wow, I thought, that was easy. Everybody must be doing this."
:sarcastic:
Grasping at straws, huh. It was blind luck the first time I did it, I had no idea what I was doing. It took years to find out.
Another lie. You've been claiming 72% for years.
Science is the quest to satisfy human curiosity through rational methods of gathering information. It demands that ALL claims be backed by evidence. Everything is open to criticism.
Religion is the quest to control human beings through emotional intimidation. It demands total faith without any evidence to back its claims. Nothing is open to criticism, and questioning anything is considered evil.
Now, which applies most to Spike? All we have is his word, not a grain of evidence for his claims, but a mountain of evidence against them.
@Bayes >> If you are winning or 'doing well', where is your evidence? Ken
Ignorance is contagious and it has consequences.
A good example is 6/5 blackjack.
The simple minded are more concerned with "hitting and running" and "hot tables" than they are with the true odds.
How long will it take before the triple zero wheel becomes the new casino standard?
All the while, people like John Patrick, Spike and the other "nonmathboyz" continue to preach that the math doesn't matter.
Herb6
My only point (again), I'm tired of....."There are 37/38 numbers and the payout is 35:1. According to the MATH, it is impossible to win!!" << Said the broke guy. Ken
>>Another lie. You've been claiming 72% for years.>>
So if you can't kill the message, kill the messenger, huh. How long was I at 55%? How long at 65%? How long did it take to get to 72%? Stick to what you know, MathBoy, going dwn these roads just makes you look desperate.
I have to go to the casino now, buh bye..
The simple minded are more concerned with>>
We leave the easy stuff to you guys, clean your glasses and go stare at a wheel for a couple hours. Let the real players handle the rest..
Quote from: Bayes on June 27, 2010, 01:53:11 PM
Spike's inconsistencies/contradictions continue to mount. Where are we up to now?
1) "Educated guessing takes years of practice"
2) "Wow, I thought, that was easy. Everybody must be doing this."
:sarcastic:
:sarcastic:
Spike is another James Wendel. Everybody knows it (and some of us have fun with it).
The only difference is that he's smart enough not to get himself banned over and over again.
QuoteSpike is another James Wendel. Everybody knows it (and some of us have fun with it).
Bingo. ;D
@Bayes >> If you are winning or 'doing well', where is your evidence? Ken
Spike its much more simple than you think. We are not math fanatics or anyting, we just don`t believe your crap.
Why do you think i believe when Ken says he wins a bit here and there with his progression when i don`t even believe you and gizmo set foot in a casino more often than once every 8 weeks ?
Ken,
I'm not the one making outrageous claims. The odds of winning 7 out of 10 on the ECs is billions to one. like I said, all the logic and evidence say that you can't do better than expectation, which doesn't mean you can't make money with average luck and progressions for a good while.
Whenever this comes up, he says 'prove that I can't do it'. In the first place, there is already a proof which says no-one can do it, and secondly, how can I prove it for his method if I don't know what it is?
He's only too happy to quote the maths whenever it suits him, ie; if someone posts a system. But it never applies to him.
Then it's 'I don't use a system, no systems win.. blah blah'.
Really, it's just taking the piss. ::)
How come every thread on this forum turns into a back and forth between 4 or 5 people. I'll bet you could take the last 12 or 15 posts and find almost the exact series in 12 or 15 other places. Take a break guys and let me tell you my story. Thanks.
One day I was killing time on youtube right after I lost half my retirement in the stock market a couple of years ago and I saw a short clip by a guy who claimed to be making up his stock market losses with winnings from Roulette. He said that he had a surefire method that provided a constant flow of money. He wasn't even trying to sell it. Just sharing it free with the whole world. You all know the system. Here's how he explained it.
If you wait for 11 reds or blacks to hit in a row, then bet 1,3,7,15,31,63, you'll win every time. You all know that the odds of it turning to black after 11 reds in a row are much higher than another red. Same thing for dozens. Wait for a dozen to hit 5 times in a row ( or maybe it was 7) and then bet 1-1,3-3,9-9,27-27,81-81. Same thing for dbl streets, sgl streets, corners, etc...
Earn extra money on your computer. He said that he had like 4 computers and was monitoring four different roulette wheels so he could get plenty of plays. Blah, blah, blah. Made sense to someone who didn't know squat about roulette. So I started looking into it, and bingo, I found out that he's probably broke shaking his head saying, "Where did all those Reds come from"?
Anyway, I wound up with a new hobby, although, along with many I've seen come and go, I'm finally coming to the conclusion that even if you can beat roulette, the system will be to tedious and unpredictable to really make a reasonable go at it. In the mean time, it does help pass a hour or so each day.
And hey, most of you guys are pretty decent chaps. Might as well interact (at some level anyway) with people you like.
Anyway, that's how it all began....
Cheers,
GLC
all the logic and evidence say that you can't do better than expectation>>>
Well, thats good enough for me. Why didn't you say that before? I'll return the money I won today next time I go to the casino and tell them it was a big mistake. My wife won on the slots, does she get to keep it?
>>which doesn't mean you can't make money with average luck and progressions for a good while.>>
Thanks anyway, that seems to be the path you've chosen. Far be it from me to disuade you..