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Title: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 12:56:27 AM
It is amazing how many people here are pursuing success by following all the incorrect paths as they are laid out in front of you.  No one here understands fully what it takes to beat games like roulette.

Roulette is no different than life in the sense that the key to success is found in understanding Energy.  Not just the physical Energy.  Positive Energy, negative Energy, physical Energy, emotional Energy, and life Energy are all interconnected to one another.  Why focus on one form of Energy when they are all involved in unity together? To understand roulette you must first understand life.  To understand life you must first understand Energy.  Understand ALL forms of Energy in order to have success.

Energy is the key

-GM
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 08, 2010, 01:17:39 AM
Where do you place the next bet?
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 02:04:42 AM
Understand that where the bets are placed is not dictated by one's own ambition.  Just like life, you can't control every aspect simply because you want to.  There are much more powerful forces behind it all that you very likely just do not comprehend.  The next bet is placed where it SHOULD be placed.  That's all there is to it.  There are no easy answers.  I'm sure you know that.

- GM
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 08, 2010, 02:35:00 AM
The next bet is placed where it SHOULD be placed.  That's all there is to it. >>>

Sounds good so far. How will I know if it should go here, or should go there? What will tell me?
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 12:41:51 PM
Here's how I can predict where to bet next.

I've opened a door to a clearer view of how the common, everyday world we experience through our senses emerges from the ethereal quantum world.
Physicists call our familiar everyday environment the classical world.  That's the world in which we and the things around us appear to have measurable characteristics such as mass, height, color, weight, texture and shape.
The ethereal world is the world of the elemental building block of matter -- atoms.  Atoms are combinations of neutrons and protons and electrons bound to a nucleus by electrical attraction.
But most of an atom -- more than 99 percent of it -- is empty space filled with invisible energy.   Energy that I know how to exploit.
So from a ethereal-world view, we and the things around us are mostly empty space.  The way we experience ourselves and other things in the classical world is really just a figment of our imaginations shaped by our senses.

For more than a century, scientists and engineers have struggled to come to a satisfactory conclusion about the missing link that bridges the classical and quantum ethereal worlds and enables a transition from that world of mostly empty space to the familiar environment we experience through our senses.

Think of the transition from ethereal world to classical world with a roulette wheel as a "decoherence" process involves a kind of evolutionary progression somewhat analogous to Charles Darwin's concept of natural selection.
I built on two theories called decoherence and ethereal Darwinism.
The decoherence concept holds that many quantum states "collapse" into a "broad diaspora," or dispersion, while interacting with the environment.  Through a selection process, other quantum states arrive at a final stable state, called a pointer state, which is "fit enough" (think "survival of the fittest" in Darwinian terms) to be transmitted through the environment without collapsing.
These single states with the lowest energy can then make high-energy copies of themselves that can be described by the Darwinian process and observed on the macroscopic scale in the classical world of roulette.

Think of it like this:
Imagine the ethereal world.   Think of a quantum dot as a billiard table in which the quantum point contacts are the two openings through which a ball could enter or leave the dot, and the interior walls of the dot act as bumpers.
If there were no friction on the table, a billiard ball with an initial trajectory would bounce off of these walls until eventually finding an exit and leaving the dot (this is the decoherence part).
Or it might find a trajectory that does not couple to the openings and would therefore be a surviving pointer state, what is called a diamond state.
One difference between the classical physics of billiard balls and the ethereal physics of electrons is that an electron can tunnel through "forbidden phase space" to enter this diamond state, whereas a billiard ball entering from outside the dot would not find itself able to reach this diamond trajectory.
It is this isolated classical trajectory, and the buildup of an electron wave functions' amplitude along that trajectory, that is referred to as a scarred wave function.
To experimentally measure these scars, imagine that we can't see inside the walls of our billiard table, but we can count the billiard balls exiting the table.  This is what is normally measured with the conductance of the quantum dot and its environment in the ethereal world.

I measure the current through the dot, the numbers of 'billiard balls' passing through it per second, to try to see how this changes when I move my probe around the 'billiard table.
Furthermore, there is the probe of the scanning gate microscope, which applies a small electric field.  This can be pictured as a small circular bumper on the billiard table that can be moved around within the dot.
This small "bumper" is rastered left to right, top to bottom over the area of interest.  If a ball is traveling along this diamond pattern it is perturbed by the bumper when it rasters into the trajectory.
Think of rastering like the way a television image works, with a pattern of scanning lines that cover the area on which the image is projected, or a set or horizontal lines composed of individual pixels that are used to form an image on a computer screen.   It works the same way with roulette.
When this happens, the ball bounces off the perturbation, and takes a new course within the dot until finally coupling out one of the openings to be measured.  The change in the ball's motion appears as a change in the conductance -- the number of balls going through the openings in a given time.
With scanning gate microscopy, we monitor where these changes occur within the scans, and hopefully this gives us a map of the scarred wave functions corresponding to the pointer states.  This points to the future numbers on the wheel that have yet to hit.
Quantum mechanically a new electron will tunnel right into the diamond state, so the measurement can continue until the whole game is mapped.
The data that came from my past experiments supports the theories of decoherence and quantum Darwinism.

These findings are just one step in a process that isn't open to conjecture, and they point toward a "smoking gun" for the existence of this quantum Darwinism and a new view of future roulette spins.   My research shows the evidence of how the ethereal-to-classical world transition actually occurs.

If you can wrap your mind around all this, you to can open the door to a deeper understanding of what is really going on at the core of physical reality and at the roulette wheel before the next spin happens.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 08, 2010, 01:04:50 PM
you to can open the door to a deeper understanding of what is really going on at the core of physical reality and at the roulette wheel before the next spin happens.>>>

Oh.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 01:31:01 PM
Ok smart mouth.  How do you bet? This is more than just some fanstasy.  A lot of work has been put into this and PROVEN.  Understanding Energy and how every essence of existance works and co-exists is no joke.   For some of us it is even our religion.  If your sole purpose is to mock my religious beliefs I respectully ask that you stop.  My freedom of religion is not to be a source for your entertainment.  Good day sir.

-GM
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Jean-Claud on July 08, 2010, 01:50:39 PM
Alright!
This have never happened in the history of VLS!

we have a SHAOLIN here ppl!

becarefull his arms and legs are lethal weapons!  :lol:
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 01:56:09 PM
I am not Buddist or a member of a Shaolin Temple or Monastary.  If it is an honest question I will answer.  If I am merely a source of entertainment for you, then I wish you to conduct yourself with a little more maturity as I take my religion very seriously.  Only fools mock what they do not know.

-GM
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Jean-Claud on July 08, 2010, 01:58:09 PM
Ok "grass hoper" so ur religion makes money for u? :haha:
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: MAX on July 08, 2010, 01:59:12 PM
Religions and believes are capable of extraordinary things.

Give him a chance maybe we can learn something.

Regards
MAX
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 02:04:46 PM
  Money is a human creation for a human world.  I do this for Energy.  Energy is the currency of the supernatural.  Jean-Claud ... you should not mock what you do not know.  Shame on you.

......

this posting was modified by me

next time Monk will call someone a fool --will get in trouble

(iggiv)
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: MAX on July 08, 2010, 02:06:21 PM
Griellianmonk

What is the reason for you to start this topic and how can I benefit from it?

Regards
Max
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Jean-Claud on July 08, 2010, 02:09:28 PM
"Jean-Claud you are a fool"

Does ur religion let u speak like this? :blink:

MAX
Why U think this scam is gonna tell u how to win?
Can t u see that under all his posts he uses the  "GM"
Only the members that are months-years users of the forums use this signatures...
U are just giving him food to continue make fun of U.

he is just an old member that don t know how to kill his time...or he is offended by some members here and want revenge
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: MAX on July 08, 2010, 02:11:45 PM
Who is fooling who...

Regards
Max
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Jean-Claud on July 08, 2010, 02:12:19 PM
He is fooling U :lol:

Ok Mr MONK
Ur religion is based on Energy
So as U know very good U need to help the others....
So help everyone here to make money from Roulette ;D
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: MAX on July 08, 2010, 02:16:01 PM
lol....not me... :aggressive:

Regards
Max
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Jean-Claud on July 08, 2010, 02:19:26 PM
If not U then why u ask him details about how to win roulette with energy?

hahahahahha
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: MAX on July 08, 2010, 02:24:11 PM
Read my post again bro..... :nono:

Regards
Max(BRUCE LEE)
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 03:49:40 PM
Here's how I can predict where to bet next. 

I've opened a door to a clearer view of how the common, everyday world we experience through our senses emerges from the ethereal quantum world. 
Physicists call our familiar everyday environment the classical world.   That's the world in which we and the things around us appear to have measurable characteristics such as mass, height, color, weight, texture and shape. 
The ethereal world is the world of the elemental building block of matter -- atoms.   Atoms are combinations of neutrons and protons and electrons bound to a nucleus by electrical attraction. 
But most of an atom -- more than 99 percent of it -- is empty space filled with invisible energy.    Energy that I know how to exploit. 
So from a ethereal-world view, we and the things around us are mostly empty space.   The way we experience ourselves and other things in the classical world is really just a figment of our imaginations shaped by our senses. 

For more than a century, scientists and engineers have struggled to come to a satisfactory conclusion about the missing link that bridges the classical and quantum ethereal worlds and enables a transition from that world of mostly empty space to the familiar environment we experience through our senses. 

Think of the transition from ethereal world to classical world with a roulette wheel as a "decoherence" process involves a kind of evolutionary progression somewhat analogous to Charles Darwin's concept of natural selection. 
I built on two theories called decoherence and ethereal Darwinism. 
The decoherence concept holds that many quantum states "collapse" into a "broad diaspora," or dispersion, while interacting with the environment.   Through a selection process, other quantum states arrive at a final stable state, called a pointer state, which is "fit enough" (think "survival of the fittest" in Darwinian terms) to be transmitted through the environment without collapsing. 
These single states with the lowest energy can then make high-energy copies of themselves that can be described by the Darwinian process and observed on the macroscopic scale in the classical world of roulette. 

Think of it like this:
Imagine the ethereal world.    Think of a quantum dot as a billiard table in which the quantum point contacts are the two openings through which a ball could enter or leave the dot, and the interior walls of the dot act as bumpers. 
If there were no friction on the table, a billiard ball with an initial trajectory would bounce off of these walls until eventually finding an exit and leaving the dot (this is the decoherence part). 
Or it might find a trajectory that does not couple to the openings and would therefore be a surviving pointer state, what is called a diamond state. 
One difference between the classical physics of billiard balls and the ethereal physics of electrons is that an electron can tunnel through "forbidden phase space" to enter this diamond state, whereas a billiard ball entering from outside the dot would not find itself able to reach this diamond trajectory. 
It is this isolated classical trajectory, and the buildup of an electron wave functions' amplitude along that trajectory, that is referred to as a scarred wave function. 
To experimentally measure these scars, imagine that we can't see inside the walls of our billiard table, but we can count the billiard balls exiting the table.   This is what is normally measured with the conductance of the quantum dot and its environment in the ethereal world. 

I measure the current through the dot, the numbers of 'billiard balls' passing through it per second, to try to see how this changes when I move my probe around the 'billiard table. 
Furthermore, there is the probe of the scanning gate microscope, which applies a small electric field.   This can be pictured as a small circular bumper on the billiard table that can be moved around within the dot. 
This small "bumper" is rastered left to right, top to bottom over the area of interest.   If a ball is traveling along this diamond pattern it is perturbed by the bumper when it rasters into the trajectory. 
Think of rastering like the way a television image works, with a pattern of scanning lines that cover the area on which the image is projected, or a set or horizontal lines composed of individual pixels that are used to form an image on a computer screen.    It works the same way with roulette. 
When this happens, the ball bounces off the perturbation, and takes a new course within the dot until finally coupling out one of the openings to be measured.   The change in the ball's motion appears as a change in the conductance -- the number of balls going through the openings in a given time. 
With scanning gate microscopy, we monitor where these changes occur within the scans, and hopefully this gives us a map of the scarred wave functions corresponding to the pointer states.   This points to the future numbers on the wheel that have yet to hit. 
Quantum mechanically a new electron will tunnel right into the diamond state, so the measurement can continue until the whole game is mapped. 
The data that came from my past experiments supports the theories of decoherence and quantum Darwinism. 

These findings are just one step in a process that isn't open to conjecture, and they point toward a "smoking gun" for the existence of this quantum Darwinism and a new view of future roulette spins.    My research shows the evidence of how the ethereal-to-classical world transition actually occurs. 

If you can wrap your mind around all this, you to can open the door to a deeper understanding of what is really going on at the core of physical reality and at the roulette wheel before the next spin happens. 
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 04:34:59 PM
Understand that I am not claiming to be a professional roulette player. I am not aiming to gain anything here other than opening up a few new avenues of thinking. How is this such a threat to you? I did not expect this level of cynicism, but I suppose you are simply misguided. If you are truly misguided then there is nothing I can do to help you.

I am not a professional roulette player by trade. There is no need. Understanding all of the life Energy will help you achieve success in all areas of life, not just roulette. Yes they can achieve amazing results when applied to roulette. But roulette is only one venue for success. Personally I use it more for agricultural gains, but I have been the beneficiary as a result of Energy funneling in roulette and in other forms of investing/gambling.

Money is of no consequence. It is easy to spend and easy to make if you know how. Forget amounts, bets, systems, methods focused on one subject. Take a bird's eye view of the full picture. See what other miss. Learning how to fully understand things is the most crucial part of communication. The world is always communicating with itself. It communicates through Energy. Learn the dialogue of Energy and you will understand the world in all forms. Even the decisions of man are dictated by the forces of Energy. Understanding Energy is critical.

This is not just rhetoric for me. It is also my religion. I have studied this for many years and so have those before me.

-GM
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Herb6 on July 08, 2010, 04:36:50 PM
Wow!
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 08, 2010, 06:11:41 PM

>I've opened a door to a clearer view of how the common, everyday world we experience through our senses emerges from the ethereal quantum world. >>

Do the casinos know you can do this? I sure wouldn't be blabbing it all over the net, they'll ban you from playing.

>Money is of no consequence. It is easy to spend and easy to make if you know how.>>

Money won't buy happiness, but it does buy everything else.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on July 08, 2010, 06:14:23 PM
Hey Spike where were you with the challenge you chicken.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 08, 2010, 06:16:56 PM
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on July 08, 2010, 06:14:23 PM
Hey Spike where were you with the challenge you chicken.

I was at the casino this afternoon. Who won?
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 08, 2010, 06:31:18 PM
>>I am not a professional roulette player by trade. There is no need. Understanding all of the life Energy will help you achieve success in all areas of life, not just roulette.>>>

Most of us here aren't very bright and would never catch on to your ways. Speaking frankly, you're just too smart for a forum like this. You should find a religious site, like 'We Don't Give a Crap About Money But We Talk About It All Day AnyWay' or 'Money Is Meaningless, Can You Spare a Dollar'.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Mr J on July 08, 2010, 07:00:48 PM
Not trying to be rude but with 11 posts, I would wait and see who this REALLY might be. I usually give it until around 120 posts, just to make sure the poster is not a fraud/goofball.  Ken
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Mr J on July 08, 2010, 07:02:46 PM
"I was at the casino this afternoon" >>> I'm sure around 40% of the posters here thought....."He was where? Whats that?"
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: mistarlupo on July 08, 2010, 08:03:54 PM
Quote from: Spike! on July 08, 2010, 06:16:56 PMI was at the casino this afternoon. Who won?

Carlos won 2 out of 10 spins, betting on average 4.2 numbers. Flat betting 1u per number: +30u
Jakkal won 3 out of 10 spins, betting on average 3.9 numbers. Flat betting 1u per number: +69u

Quite impressive results, they both did very well, I must admit. 10 spins only but who cares.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 08:17:59 PM
Here's how to transmit quantum information from one point in spacetime in the ethereal world to another without traversing the intervening space.  (Retreiving information from the future for roulette bets.)

The technique relies on the strange quantum phenomenon called entanglement, in which two particles share the same existence. This deep connection means that a measurement on one particle immediately influences the other, even though they are light-years apart. I worked out how to exploit this to send information. (The influence between the particles may be immediate, but the process does not violate relativity because some informatiom has to be sent classically at the speed of light.) The technique is called teleportation.

Since quantum particles are indistinguishable but for the information they carry, there is no need to transmit them themselves. A much simpler idea is to send the information they contain instead and ensure that there is a ready supply of particles at the other end to take on their identity. 

Physicists have used these ideas to actually teleport photons, atoms, and ions. And it's not too hard to imagine that molecules and perhaps even viruses could be teleported in the not-too-distant future.
While at the Tohoku University in Japan I came up with a much more exotic idea. Why not use the same quantum principles to teleport Energy and information from the future back to the past?  Roulette came to my mind.

The process of teleportation involves making a measurement on each one an entangled pair of particles. The measurement on the first particle injects quantum energy into the system.  By carefully choosing the measurement to do on the second particle, it is possible to extract the original Energy and then to retreive the information from the future.
All this is possible because there are always quantum fluctuations in the Energy of any particle from the past and the future. The teleportation process allows you to inject quantum Energy at one point in the universe and then exploit quantum Energy fluctuations to extract it from another point. Of course, the Energy of the system as whole is unchanged. 

Like a string of entangled ions oscillating back and forth in an electric field trap, a bit like Newton's balls. Measuring the state of the first ion injects Energy into the system in the form of a phonon, a quantum of oscillation. By performing the right kind of measurement on the last ion extracts this Energy. Since this can be done at the speed of light (in principle), the phonon doesn't travel across the intermediate ions so there is no heating of these ions. The Energy has been transmitted without traveling across the intervening spacetime. That's why it's teleportation.

The really exciting stuff is the implications this has for the foundations of the game of roulette. This approach gives physicists a way of exploring the relationship between quantum information time and quantum Energy for the first time.
There is a growing sense that the properties of the universe are best described not by the laws that govern matter but by the laws that govern information time. This appears to be true for the ethereal world, is certainly true for special relativity, and is currently being explored for general relativity and even the game of roulette. Having a way to handle Energy on the same footing may helps to draw these diverse strands together.  This is why I'm here.

Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: gizmotron on July 08, 2010, 09:08:57 PM
Quote from: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 08:17:59 PM
Here's how to transmit quantum information from one point in spacetime in the ethereal world to another without traversing the intervening space.  (Retreiving information from the future for roulette bets.)

Educated SpaceTime ..."in the ethereal world to another "

Great! Now we have a pal for Herb to go completely nuts with. My guess is that if they both shove lightning rods up their butts they will be able to communicate on the same wavelength.  :yahoo:

Quote from: GriellianMonk...This is why I'm here.
Father Baloney is going to lead us all to the promised land.  :angel:
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 09, 2010, 03:50:43 AM
Quote from: Gizmotron on July 08, 2010, 09:08:57 PM
Father Baloney is going to lead us all to the promised land.  :angel:

I have no intention of helping people as close minded as you. But please, continue banging your heads against the wall and patting yourselves on the back. It will get you nowhere. Those who want to progress, I will have no problem sharing with. I suppose people like you, Mr J, Jean Claud, and spike all have winning methods. And I am sure you all have prefabricated excuses as to why you cannot meet in person to demonstrate your methods success. I have no problem demonstrating in person my abilities and no price tag attached. I doubt I will ever hear the same from you.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 09, 2010, 04:17:17 AM
I have no problem demonstrating in person my abilities and no price tag attached. I doubt I will ever hear the same from you.>>>

Why would you want to? Why would you CARE? The fact that you even mention it tells me your ego runs your life, does your religion worship the ego? Apparently it does..

BTW, I Googled Griellian and there is no such word, you made it up. You mention your 'order', your order of Monks. For areligon that doesn't exist except in your head, how can there be an 'order.'

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fdallasvintageshop.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2007%2F07%2Fmonk_with_cowbell.jpg&hash=862c7167ee7a117b3e92af511d5832025b576988)
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 09, 2010, 04:44:07 AM
If you say so Spike. The best research you can come up with is Google. It may suprise you that not EVERY SINGLE religion is recognized. It would never occur to you that some prefer to practice religion in unconventional ways.

A picture of a Christian? Really? Are you and Patty Christians? Please tell me your religion so I can mock you.

Is it to much to ask for you insensitive people to leave my religious beliefs out of this? If you think I am crazy, fine. But please don't bash my religion into the ground. I have been very polite in asking you to leave my religion out of your insults.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on July 09, 2010, 04:51:40 AM
You were at the casino Spike? It was you and Gizzy boy's challenge. And neither of you show up? Guess that doesn't say much for the EG clan. Actually I will re-phrase that, it speaks a million words about your so-called abilities!

You can come and go as you wish and at the same time waste others' time. Not good. Not good at all. You wasted my time. Carpanta's time as well as Mistarlupo. Not cool.  :rtfm: :punish:

Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 09, 2010, 05:32:16 AM
You wasted my time. Carpanta's time as well as Mistarlupo. Not cool. >>>

You guys decide on the spur of the moment to throw a challenge and are bummed that the rest of didn't have time? You know what time I had dinner tonight? 1:30AM. I had not one minute before then to eat. You don't get the details, its summer and stuff to do never ends..
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 09, 2010, 05:33:47 AM
leave my religious beliefs out of this? >>>

All you talk about is your religious beliefs. Puleeze...
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on July 09, 2010, 08:19:36 AM
blah blah blah it was your challenge and you appeared on the forum when we all left . Nice and convenient wouldn't you say. You such a busy guy and all strange you spend so much time on the forum.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Far-Q on July 09, 2010, 08:35:26 AM
Hi
I was just wondering if,with all the energy that GM has,if he could help bring my electricity bill down? The price truly is "shocking" nowadays.   ???
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: gizmotron on July 09, 2010, 10:46:52 AM
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on July 09, 2010, 04:51:40 AM
You were at the casino Spike? It was you and Gizzy boy's challenge. And neither of you show up?

What challenge?  I was at the casino on Monday and Wednesday. I never said I was going to be in  a challenge. I have a challenge for you. I know how to win and actually do that in real casinos. Not sharing the fine details is no effort at all. Not much of a challenge. You clowns will forever screw this up because you reject the only thing that works. So you are Roulette Challenged in a PC kind of way.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 09, 2010, 11:18:48 AM
you spend so much time on the forum.>>>

You must be joking. I spend a few minutes a day writing posts and thats 'so much time'? Your name is splattered on half the threads here, who are you kidding. Check the  times of my posts, there are usually hours between them.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: mistarlupo on July 09, 2010, 11:18:51 AM
Quote from: Gizmotron on July 09, 2010, 10:46:52 AMWhat challenge?  I was at the casino on Monday and Wednesday. I never said I was going to be in a challenge.

Oh, well...

Quote from: Gizmotron on June 16, 2010, 12:37:20 PM
I'm in for this too. Perhaps the table will cooperate for the ten spins I get to bet on. I hope something is happening in those first 15 spins, and that it continues to happen for a while more. This is what everyone has always wanted. For Spike and me to demonstrate what we do. Sure, you will be able to criticize the guesses. But will you be able to figure out the selection process and the real results of trend play.

We are all getting older and start to forget. Never mind.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 09, 2010, 11:34:59 AM
Perhaps if you idiots gave more warning than a couple hours, if you even gave that, we would know what you're talking about. Oops, gotta go now, hours before my next posts, got things to do..
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: mistarlupo on July 09, 2010, 12:23:40 PM
Quote from: Spike! on July 09, 2010, 11:34:59 AM
Perhaps if you idiots gave more warning than a couple hours, if you even gave that, we would know what you're talking about. Oops, gotta go now, hours before my next posts, got things to do..

Spike, you idiot, posted the topic a month ago. I know, you're an old man but we've been waiting for your incredible 25-spin educated guessing presentation for too long! Talking is not enough. That's why people don't take you serious. I hate people who just talk. Actions speak louder than words. No one will discover your secret methods in 25 spins. Be a man and show us the power of your method, can you? Like Carlos & Jakk did.

BTW, you were online when I made the announcement about the challenge. You ignored it for some reason. Perhaps you got scared?

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Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: gizmotron on July 09, 2010, 02:15:59 PM
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A thread that was dead for a few weeks and now we have a complaining old hag of a wench.

Perhaps some day I'll be in the mood again. You can wait for hell to freeze over.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 09, 2010, 03:06:25 PM
Take heart FarQ,

There's a cheap new metal catalyst that can split hydrogen gas from water at the fraction of the cost of electrolysis. 
Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, but it can be difficult and costly to get at the raw gas, at least in the kind of vast commercial volumes that could sustainably fuel a hydrogen economy. But researchers at the DOE's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory have made a significant leap toward a hydrogen-based future by devising a cheap, metal catalyst that can split hydrogen gas from water. The ability to pull apart H2O molecules into their constituent atoms is, of course, the key to creating a hydrogen-based Energy economy. If we can do so in a cheap and energy efficient manner, we could potentially turn Earth's vast supply of water into our own vast supply of cheap, clean power. 

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We are Energy (soul) and we exist at the Planck scale.  We can tunnel through spacetime. The most interesting scientific evidence for the soul comes from quantum mechanics—specifically, from research of the subatomic phenomena that produce consciousness.  Consciousness is the result of quantum processes occurring in tiny structures called microtubules in brain cells.  Consciousness under normal circumstances occurs at the level of space-time geometry in the brain, in the microtubule, but the fluctuations extend down to the Planck scale [far smaller than an atom] because the microtubules are driven bioenergetically to be in a coherent state. When the blood supply and the oxygen stops, things go bad and the coherence stops, but quantum information at the Planck scale isn't lost. It will dissipate into the universe, but remain entangled in some kind of functional unit, indefinitely. If the patient is revived, the information gets picked back up again."

Consciousness, I believe, exists separate from the body. The Planck scale is the unimaginably small distance at which current theories of gravity and quantum physics break down. Events at the Planck scale fundamentally establish the nature of reality.

There is a connection between the quantum possibilities in the universe and the quantum processes in the brain that other researchers also believe exist as well.

There must be structures in the brain that process these fragments of quantum consciousness, but I don't know what they were.  There are computer-like components in the brain. There exists at the Planck scale a realm of Platonic ideals that influence the workings of our mind.  The universe is, after all, mostly empty space. If you go down in scale 25 orders of magnitude below the size of an atom, on the way down it would appear rather smooth and lacking. Then you begin to see structure or roughness or irregularity, which is the Planck scale, the basement level of the universe. You get patterns at the Planck scale that are constantly evolving and changing. This is where the noncomputable influences are embedded. Even though they're very, very tiny, they repeat everywhere.

This is where consciousness comes from, it raises the question: Where did the Planck-scale processes that cause it come from? The answer: They came from the Big Bang. In this view, consciousness—all consciousness—was created at the same moment when the universe was created.   The soul exists and it must be anchored to our moment of cosmic origin.  This is what Italian astrophysicist Paola Zizzi terms the "Big Wow," shorthand for her description of the connection between "the very early quantum computing universe and our mind."

After death, there's a physical mechanism for consciousness that persists after death.  It enters the universe at large, and it gets picked back up again by someone or something else.  At the Division of Perceptual Studies, there are file cabinets bulging with case studies of people who think they know. Most of them are children who remember past lives: who they were, where they lived, what they looked like, what work they did, all sorts of details of a life. 

Energy is thought.  Energy is consciousness.  I am Energy, I am energetic.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: mistarlupo on July 09, 2010, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: Gizmotron on July 09, 2010, 02:15:59 PMPerhaps some day I'll be in the mood again. You can wait for hell to freeze over.

Why so negative? You lost your money at the casino yesterday?

Be a man, Gizmo. Admit that you've got a rabbit heart.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: pins on July 09, 2010, 10:01:00 PM
this is the real world. what you can see and touch. when you die you will find out if anything else exists.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 09, 2010, 10:32:10 PM
>After death, there's a physical mechanism for consciousness that persists after death...I am Energy, I am energetic.
>>

Is the physical mechanism the Energizer Bunny? He's real energetic. Makes sense to me..


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Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: bombus on July 10, 2010, 09:08:34 AM
Quote from: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 12:56:27 AM
It is amazing how many people here are pursuing success by following all the incorrect paths as they are laid out in front of you.  No one here understands fully what it takes to beat games like roulette.


As far as energy is concerned there are no incorrect paths. Whether they appear advantageous to you or not, all paths are ultimately equal.

Quote from: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 02:04:42 AM
The next bet is placed where it SHOULD be placed.

This implies a level of knowingness reserved for, or attained by the truly advanced souls of the world, not to mention highly schooled and trained in esoteric ways.

Not too many of those here at VLS I'm afraid.


Quote from: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 12:41:51 PM
Here's how I can predict where to bet next.

I've opened a door to a clearer view of how the common, everyday world we experience through our senses emerges from the ethereal quantum world.
Physicists call our familiar everyday environment the classical world.  That's the world in which we and the things around us appear to have measurable characteristics such as mass, height, color, weight, texture and shape.
The ethereal world is the world of the elemental building block of matter -- atoms.  Atoms are combinations of neutrons and protons and electrons bound to a nucleus by electrical attraction.
But most of an atom -- more than 99 percent of it -- is empty space filled with invisible energy.   Energy that I know how to exploit.
So from a ethereal-world view, we and the things around us are mostly empty space.  The way we experience ourselves and other things in the classical world is really just a figment of our imaginations shaped by our senses.

For more than a century, scientists and engineers have struggled to come to a satisfactory conclusion about the missing link that bridges the classical and quantum ethereal worlds and enables a transition from that world of mostly empty space to the familiar environment we experience through our senses.

Think of the transition from ethereal world to classical world with a roulette wheel as a "decoherence" process involves a kind of evolutionary progression somewhat analogous to Charles Darwin's concept of natural selection.
I built on two theories called decoherence and ethereal Darwinism.
The decoherence concept holds that many quantum states "collapse" into a "broad diaspora," or dispersion, while interacting with the environment.  Through a selection process, other quantum states arrive at a final stable state, called a pointer state, which is "fit enough" (think "survival of the fittest" in Darwinian terms) to be transmitted through the environment without collapsing.
These single states with the lowest energy can then make high-energy copies of themselves that can be described by the Darwinian process and observed on the macroscopic scale in the classical world of roulette.

Think of it like this:
Imagine the ethereal world.   Think of a quantum dot as a billiard table in which the quantum point contacts are the two openings through which a ball could enter or leave the dot, and the interior walls of the dot act as bumpers.
If there were no friction on the table, a billiard ball with an initial trajectory would bounce off of these walls until eventually finding an exit and leaving the dot (this is the decoherence part).
Or it might find a trajectory that does not couple to the openings and would therefore be a surviving pointer state, what is called a diamond state.
One difference between the classical physics of billiard balls and the ethereal physics of electrons is that an electron can tunnel through "forbidden phase space" to enter this diamond state, whereas a billiard ball entering from outside the dot would not find itself able to reach this diamond trajectory.
It is this isolated classical trajectory, and the buildup of an electron wave functions' amplitude along that trajectory, that is referred to as a scarred wave function.
To experimentally measure these scars, imagine that we can't see inside the walls of our billiard table, but we can count the billiard balls exiting the table.  This is what is normally measured with the conductance of the quantum dot and its environment in the ethereal world.

I measure the current through the dot, the numbers of 'billiard balls' passing through it per second, to try to see how this changes when I move my probe around the 'billiard table.
Furthermore, there is the probe of the scanning gate microscope, which applies a small electric field.  This can be pictured as a small circular bumper on the billiard table that can be moved around within the dot.
This small "bumper" is rastered left to right, top to bottom over the area of interest.  If a ball is traveling along this diamond pattern it is perturbed by the bumper when it rasters into the trajectory.
Think of rastering like the way a television image works, with a pattern of scanning lines that cover the area on which the image is projected, or a set or horizontal lines composed of individual pixels that are used to form an image on a computer screen.   It works the same way with roulette.
When this happens, the ball bounces off the perturbation, and takes a new course within the dot until finally coupling out one of the openings to be measured.  The change in the ball's motion appears as a change in the conductance -- the number of balls going through the openings in a given time.
With scanning gate microscopy, we monitor where these changes occur within the scans, and hopefully this gives us a map of the scarred wave functions corresponding to the pointer states.  This points to the future numbers on the wheel that have yet to hit.
Quantum mechanically a new electron will tunnel right into the diamond state, so the measurement can continue until the whole game is mapped.
The data that came from my past experiments supports the theories of decoherence and quantum Darwinism.

These findings are just one step in a process that isn't open to conjecture, and they point toward a "smoking gun" for the existence of this quantum Darwinism and a new view of future roulette spins.   My research shows the evidence of how the ethereal-to-classical world transition actually occurs.

If you can wrap your mind around all this, you to can open the door to a deeper understanding of what is really going on at the core of physical reality and at the roulette wheel before the next spin happens.


Thanks for the read, but is there a way we can condense this information into a practical guide for the layman in regard to roulette?

Am I as a roulette player able to benefit from this discovery without going through the immense and sustained effort of increasing the velocity of my molecular sub-atomic particles?


Quote from: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 01:31:01 PM
Ok smart mouth.  How do you bet? This is more than just some fanstasy.  A lot of work has been put into this and PROVEN.  Understanding Energy and how every essence of existance works and co-exists is no joke.   For some of us it is even our religion.  If your sole purpose is to mock my religious beliefs I respectully ask that you stop.  My freedom of religion is not to be a source for your entertainment.  Good day sir.

-GM

If our members come away from this thread with one truth or learning, let it be that the only true sin in this world is to deny any man his religion, or God.


Quote from: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 02:04:46 PM
Only a fool would assume I do this ONLY for the money.  Money is a human creation for a human world.  I do this for Energy.  Energy is the currency of the supernatural.  Jean-Claud you are a fool.  And you should not mock what you do not know.  Shame on you.

Do you fear the supernatural?

Are you accumulating energy for some measure of security toward forthcoming events in your life, or even afterlife?

Cheers.








Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 11, 2010, 03:34:45 AM
Quote from: bombus on July 10, 2010, 09:08:34 AM
Thanks for the read, but is there a way we can condense this information into a practical guide for the layman in regard to roulette?

Yes. Is it worth my time? Based on the abuse I have had to put up with, and the negligence of the Admin/Mods to defend my civil rights as a human being, no.

Quote from: bombus on July 10, 2010, 09:08:34 AM
Am I as a roulette player able to benefit from this discovery without going through the immense and sustained effort of increasing the velocity of my molecular sub-atomic particles?

To an extent, perhaps. Will you benefit fully? No.

Quote from: bombus on July 10, 2010, 09:08:34 AM
Do you fear the supernatural?

Are you accumulating energy for some measure of security toward forthcoming events in your life, or even afterlife?

I do not fear it, I embrace it.

No. It does not quite work in that way. I think you all have greatly misunderstood.

-GM
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: bombus on July 12, 2010, 12:01:10 AM
Quote from: GriellianMonk on July 11, 2010, 03:34:45 AM...I think you all have greatly misunderstood.

No doubt.

Cheers :drinks:
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 12, 2010, 12:54:15 AM
I think you all have greatly misunderstood.>>

Problem is, the stuff you write looks like New Age gobblygook nonsense to most of us here. We have no idea what you're talking about. All we care about is where to place the next bet, something you don't seem to familiar with.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 12, 2010, 03:18:45 AM
Quote from: Spike! on July 12, 2010, 12:54:15 AM
I think you all have greatly misunderstood.>>

Problem is, the stuff you write looks like New Age gobblygook nonsense to most of us here. We have no idea what you're talking about. All we care about is where to place the next bet, something you don't seem to familiar with.

How wrong you are.

It is not my fault that you lack intelligence and cannot understand science. You call science "New age gobblygook", yet I am the one who is supposed to be in unfamiliar territory? Wow! It's amazing that people would take someone as asinine as you seriously.

I guess you are right, maybe I am seriously overestimating the mental capabilities of VLS members. Perhaps a forum where members call the admin a scammer, and people like spike accuse everyone but himself of being a fraud, may not be the best place to try teach people about expanding their SCIENTIFIC minds. Perhaps I should try a place where the highest educated individual is not the one who holds a high school diploma.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 12, 2010, 05:43:01 AM
Quote from: GriellianMonk on July 12, 2010, 03:18:45 AM
How wrong you are.

It is not my fault that you lack intelligence and cannot understand science. You call science "New age gobblygook", yet I am the one who is supposed to be in unfamiliar territory? Wow! It's amazing that people would take someone as asinine as you seriously.

I guess you are right, maybe I am seriously overestimating the mental capabilities of VLS members. Perhaps a forum where members call the admin a scammer, and people like spike accuse everyone but himself of being a fraud, may not be the best place to try teach people about expanding their SCIENTIFIC minds. Perhaps I should try a place where the highest educated individual is not the one who holds a high school diploma.

WOW!! Its amazng how petty and vindictive these intellectual types can get when nobody wants to play in their yard. What a twerp.. :lol:
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Bayes on July 12, 2010, 06:34:19 AM
Good 'ole quantum theory,  it's god's gift to crackpots.  ;D
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: bombus on July 12, 2010, 07:12:12 AM
Quote from: Bayes on July 12, 2010, 06:34:19 AM
Good 'ole quantum theory,  it's god's gift to crackpots.  ;D

I'll crack your pot if you're not careful Mr Bayes!  ;D
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: simon on July 13, 2010, 12:46:59 AM
GM you said "I have no problem demonstrating in person my abilities and no price tag attached."  Where are you available to do that?  and/or can you say what bets you would make following whatever amount of consecutive numbers of your choosing that I previously recorded from real wheels?
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on July 13, 2010, 04:15:31 AM
Quote from: GriellianMonk on July 12, 2010, 03:18:45 AM
How wrong you are.

It is not my fault that you lack intelligence and cannot understand science. You call science "New age gobblygook", yet I am the one who is supposed to be in unfamiliar territory? Wow! It's amazing that people would take someone as asinine as you seriously.

I guess you are right, maybe I am seriously overestimating the mental capabilities of VLS members. Perhaps a forum where members call the admin a scammer, and people like spike accuse everyone but himself of being a fraud, may not be the best place to try teach people about expanding their SCIENTIFIC minds. Perhaps I should try a place where the highest educated individual is not the one who holds a high school diploma.


Hahahahahahahaha :lol: :lol: Some valid points there!
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 14, 2010, 03:40:12 AM
Quote from: simon on July 13, 2010, 12:46:59 AM
GM you said "I have no problem demonstrating in person my abilities and no price tag attached."  Where are you available to do that?  and/or can you say what bets you would make following whatever amount of consecutive numbers of your choosing that I previously recorded from real wheels?

Las Vegas or Macau.

The technique involves making predictions based on every connection of the forces of Energy within one environment. People have already requested that I test with previous spins. If it worked that way I would have no problem doing it, unlike some people. Unfortunately the predictions require my physical presence.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 14, 2010, 04:11:11 AM
Unfortunately the predictions require my physical presence>>>

Do they let you bring a crystal ball into a Vegas casino? I don't think they do...

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Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 14, 2010, 06:03:40 AM
To those who have contacted me interested in meeting, please cheack your PM inbox.

Yes Spike, they do.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: pins on July 14, 2010, 08:29:10 AM
when you die you reckon the energy is left. no sex no gambling. no food. a pure mind floating around in space.what does it think about. and no beer either. now that is something to look forward to.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Number Six on July 14, 2010, 10:39:47 AM
Spike, there is no room in this thread for you to mock GriellianMonk's claims. They are no more ridculous than yours.

Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Jean-Claud on July 14, 2010, 11:25:33 AM
Yes I never understood How Spike dares to make fun of other ppls Bull Shits!!!
When in reality he is the one saying the Biggest Bull Shits of all!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Bayes on July 14, 2010, 11:40:34 AM
 ;D

GriellianMonk, if your whiz-bang method can't win 72% of decisions on a 47% game, you should give educated guessing a whirl. It's tried and tested and you don't need a PhD in quantum physics.  :lol:
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 14, 2010, 12:53:00 PM
Quote from: Number Six on July 14, 2010, 10:39:47 AM
Spike, there is no room in this thread for you to mock GriellianMonk's claims. They are no more ridculous than yours.



What do you mean? I don't use a crystal ball, I use astrology..
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: akiraa on July 14, 2010, 02:33:50 PM
To be honest D I'm still stuck on the last goosechase you sent us on ages ago to do with repeats/non repeats - sunset/sunrise - two brothers etc! You seem like a really clever person I just don't get why you keep coming on here to mess with us lowly forumites in new and exciting ways! Anyway hope all is good - I'm gonna keep on searching for that goose!

Take it easy - Akiraa
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: GriellianMonk on July 14, 2010, 06:02:46 PM
You must have me confused with someone else. People like you are exactly what is wrong with humanity. I will not waste my time further. I still intend to go through with the 3 meetings I have scheduled. Those involved I will contact via email.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Bayes on July 14, 2010, 06:08:34 PM
Quote from: akiraa on July 14, 2010, 02:33:50 PM
To be honest D

Do you mean Dyksexlic?  I don't think this guy is him, totally different style.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Bayes on July 14, 2010, 06:10:01 PM
Quote from: GriellianMonk on July 14, 2010, 06:02:46 PM
People like you are exactly what is wrong with humanity. I will not waste my time further.

Yes, I think you should return to the planet you came from.  :good:
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Number Six on July 14, 2010, 06:26:31 PM
Quote from: Bayes on July 14, 2010, 06:10:01 PM
Yes, I think you should return to the planet you came from.  :good:

Shouldn't be too difficult for him. He can just dematerialise and reconstitute from a pile a molecules back on Zog. It's even better than my Tardis! But let's hope the data doesn't get corrupted. His penis might end up on his head.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 14, 2010, 06:49:12 PM
I will not waste my time further.>>>

Its probably for the best. The casinos are shaking in their boots over what you've posted already, we don't want them panicking and pulling the game of roulette forever because of you..
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Far-Q on July 14, 2010, 07:35:34 PM
Quote from: Number Six link=topic=16637. msg115540#msg115540 date=1279142791
His penis might end up on his head.

As in D**khead??   :)
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: gizmotron on July 14, 2010, 11:58:36 PM
Quote from: Bayes on July 14, 2010, 06:08:34 PM
Do you mean Dyksexlic? 

You mean dickless sex lick?
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 15, 2010, 05:38:18 AM
Whats the sexual orientation of the Griellian Monk order, are they all homosexuals or just a few of them? Not that theres anything wrong with that...
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: simon on July 15, 2010, 09:47:22 AM
Spike why don't you stick to your educated guessing threads?  You are the essence of everything that has made this forum useless.  You are like a child that has to interrupt every conversation to get some attention.  It is so important to you that you see your words in print in every thread that you must constantly comment whether you have anything useful to say or not.  You (and others) seem to be so lacking in confidence that if you read something you don't understand or agree with then your only response is to throw out immature insults.  GM is right about one thing, an educated person just does not do that.  An educated person listens, and offers intelligent conversation and debate or moves on.  I wouldn't waste a minute reading or arguing about the useless drivel you post.  I suggest that you (and others) do the same with other people's writings that one would have no interest in.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on July 15, 2010, 11:58:42 AM
Well said Simon.

Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: simon on July 15, 2010, 12:12:06 PM
thanks.... this place is becoming more like a junior high school cafeteria and less like an intelligent forum by the minute.  I have another idea for Spike, he should start his own forum.  for the King of Drivel and His Followers.  (not that there aren't other Kings of Drivel around here or in other forums.)  If you have your own forum you can be the chief commentator, moderator, and all that other good stuff, so that's good for people who like to do that sort of thing....
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 15, 2010, 12:26:36 PM
You (and others) seem to be so lacking in confidence>>>

And blah blah blah. It was a joke, this Monk person is having us on, don't you gt it?  What he posts is nonsense, and not even good nonsense. And he was sooooooo fast to jump down out throats, he has to be somebody who was banned or is playing a prank. Saying 'theres nothing wrong with that' is lampooning a Seinfeld episode about homosexuality.What I do love is 'The Myth of Spike', that I post in every thread (I post in very few) and I'm here all time, posting hourly. In fact, there is usually many hours between posts, like now. I won't be back online for about 6 hours, but to you I'll have never left.

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Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 15, 2010, 12:30:31 PM
this place is becoming more like a junior high school cafeteria and less like an intelligent forum>>

And every time I start an interesting thread about probability or whatever, you and your mates tell me to just shut up, you're bored. All you do is whine about everything, apparently to you thats productive. Its the same on every gambling forum, you have the real players like me and the whiners who never win,  who only want to read posts that tell them where to place the next bet.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: simon on July 15, 2010, 12:39:28 PM
Quote from: Spike! on July 15, 2010, 12:26:36 PM
You (and others) seem to be so lacking in confidence>>>

And blah blah blah. It was a joke, this Monk person is having us on, don't you gt it?  What he posts is nonsense, and not even good nonsense. And he was sooooooo fast to jump down out throats, he has to be somebody who was banned or is playing a prank. Saying 'theres nothing wrong with that' is lampooning a Seinfeld episode about homosexuality.What I do love is 'The Myth of Spike', that I post in every thread (I post in very few) and I'm here all time, posting hourly. In fact, there is usually many hours between posts, like now. I won't be back online for about 6 hours, but to you I'll have never left.

............... I know you were lampooning Seinfeld.  I thought you were somewhere across the big pond there, you get Seinfeld over there?  I like Seinfeld, I've probably seen every episode.  George is great.  I don't think the Monk guy's writings are a joke.  Nobody could write that much and about all that stuff, just for a joke.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 15, 2010, 12:44:56 PM
Who in their right mind takes ANYTHING seriously on the internet? ! VIVA FICTION !!!
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: simon on July 15, 2010, 12:52:19 PM
I think the Monk guy is as serious as a heart attack.  and he is not the only one who writes about these things.  if I was in Vegas I would try and meet him to see him do his thing.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Cash Growth on July 15, 2010, 01:25:22 PM
G. Monk, I sent you a PM.
Regards,
CashGrowth.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Number Six on July 15, 2010, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: simon on July 15, 2010, 12:52:19 PM
I think the Monk guy is as serious as a heart attack.  and he is not the only one who writes about these things.  if I was in Vegas I would try and meet him to see him do his thing.

What, this monk claims to have these amazing powers and when he discovered them he immediately thought of ROULETTE? Give us a break. The balderdash people believe is simply astounding. Monk is either lying or has an incredibly small mind, in which case what he is claiming is vastly beyond him. This place has turned into a cyber-asylum.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 15, 2010, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: Number Six on July 15, 2010, 02:41:31 PM
What, this monk claims to have these amazing powers and when he discovered them he immediately thought of ROULETTE? Give us a break.

Exactly so. Religion and gambling never mix, he's a baloney peddler.

>>The balderdash people believe is simply astounding. Monk is either lying or has an incredibly small mind>>

Its made up new age new speak mumbo jumbo and none of it means anything. Its someone who was banned from here or somebody playing a prank, if you get involved with this guy don"t say I didn't warn you..
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: atlantis on July 15, 2010, 05:43:22 PM
Quote from: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 12:41:51 PM
Here's how I can predict where to bet next.

I've opened a door to a clearer view of how the common, everyday world we experience through our senses emerges from the ethereal quantum world.
Physicists call our familiar everyday environment the classical world.  That's the world in which we and the things around us appear to have measurable characteristics such as mass, height, color, weight, texture and shape.
The ethereal world is the world of the elemental building block of matter -- atoms.  Atoms are combinations of neutrons and protons and electrons bound to a nucleus by electrical attraction.
But most of an atom -- more than 99 percent of it -- is empty space filled with invisible energy.   Energy that I know how to exploit.
So from a ethereal-world view, we and the things around us are mostly empty space.  The way we experience ourselves and other things in the classical world is really just a figment of our imaginations shaped by our senses.

For more than a century, scientists and engineers have struggled to come to a satisfactory conclusion about the missing link that bridges the classical and quantum ethereal worlds and enables a transition from that world of mostly empty space to the familiar environment we experience through our senses.

Think of the transition from ethereal world to classical world with a roulette wheel as a "decoherence" process involves a kind of evolutionary progression somewhat analogous to Charles Darwin's concept of natural selection.
I built on two theories called decoherence and ethereal Darwinism.
The decoherence concept holds that many quantum states "collapse" into a "broad diaspora," or dispersion, while interacting with the environment.  Through a selection process, other quantum states arrive at a final stable state, called a pointer state, which is "fit enough" (think "survival of the fittest" in Darwinian terms) to be transmitted through the environment without collapsing.
These single states with the lowest energy can then make high-energy copies of themselves that can be described by the Darwinian process and observed on the macroscopic scale in the classical world of roulette.

Think of it like this:
Imagine the ethereal world.   Think of a quantum dot as a billiard table in which the quantum point contacts are the two openings through which a ball could enter or leave the dot, and the interior walls of the dot act as bumpers.
If there were no friction on the table, a billiard ball with an initial trajectory would bounce off of these walls until eventually finding an exit and leaving the dot (this is the decoherence part).
Or it might find a trajectory that does not couple to the openings and would therefore be a surviving pointer state, what is called a diamond state.
One difference between the classical physics of billiard balls and the ethereal physics of electrons is that an electron can tunnel through "forbidden phase space" to enter this diamond state, whereas a billiard ball entering from outside the dot would not find itself able to reach this diamond trajectory.
It is this isolated classical trajectory, and the buildup of an electron wave functions' amplitude along that trajectory, that is referred to as a scarred wave function.
To experimentally measure these scars, imagine that we can't see inside the walls of our billiard table, but we can count the billiard balls exiting the table.  This is what is normally measured with the conductance of the quantum dot and its environment in the ethereal world.

I measure the current through the dot, the numbers of 'billiard balls' passing through it per second, to try to see how this changes when I move my probe around the 'billiard table.
Furthermore, there is the probe of the scanning gate microscope, which applies a small electric field.  This can be pictured as a small circular bumper on the billiard table that can be moved around within the dot.
This small "bumper" is rastered left to right, top to bottom over the area of interest.  If a ball is traveling along this diamond pattern it is perturbed by the bumper when it rasters into the trajectory.
Think of rastering like the way a television image works, with a pattern of scanning lines that cover the area on which the image is projected, or a set or horizontal lines composed of individual pixels that are used to form an image on a computer screen.   It works the same way with roulette.
When this happens, the ball bounces off the perturbation, and takes a new course within the dot until finally coupling out one of the openings to be measured.  The change in the ball's motion appears as a change in the conductance -- the number of balls going through the openings in a given time.
With scanning gate microscopy, we monitor where these changes occur within the scans, and hopefully this gives us a map of the scarred wave functions corresponding to the pointer states.  This points to the future numbers on the wheel that have yet to hit.
Quantum mechanically a new electron will tunnel right into the diamond state, so the measurement can continue until the whole game is mapped.
The data that came from my past experiments supports the theories of decoherence and quantum Darwinism.

These findings are just one step in a process that isn't open to conjecture, and they point toward a "smoking gun" for the existence of this quantum Darwinism and a new view of future roulette spins.   My research shows the evidence of how the ethereal-to-classical world transition actually occurs.

If you can wrap your mind around all this, you to can open the door to a deeper understanding of what is really going on at the core of physical reality and at the roulette wheel before the next spin happens.



Have you not yet figured out that GM is just fooling with you?

See this article: Bridge to the Quantum World: Darwinian Concept of Natural Selection Figures Into Theory About Core of Physical Reality
nolinks://nolinks.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100702092200.htm (nolinks://nolinks.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100702092200.htm)

Compare with his post above... :)

I think the joke is quite good though - but now he is exposed!

'Nuff said!


Atlantis.


Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 15, 2010, 06:06:49 PM
I think the joke is quite good though - but now he is exposed!>>>

Yup, he copied and pasted most of the article and changed a few of the words around. Told ya! None of that stuff could apply to roulette, its ridiculous.

So what say you now Simon, was I 'too hard' on your new hero? He's a phoney baloney prankster, he gave hmself away by turning petty and vindictive. Too bad you couldn't see it..
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Mr J on July 15, 2010, 07:22:43 PM
YEP! Reply #26.  Ken
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: simon on July 15, 2010, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Spike! on July 15, 2010, 06:06:49 PM
I think the joke is quite good though - but now he is exposed!>>>

Yup, he copied and pasted most of the article and changed a few of the words around. Told ya! None of that stuff could apply to roulette, its ridiculous.

So what say you now Simon, was I 'too hard' on your new hero? He's a phoney baloney prankster, he gave hmself away by turning petty and vindictive. Too bad you couldn't see it..

......... I don't know, I'm too tired to read it all now and see what was direct quotes and what wasn't.  just because it's similar doesn't mean he's not into it.  whatever....
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 16, 2010, 12:00:05 AM
just because it's similar doesn't mean he's not into it.  whatever....>>

Into WHAT?? There's nothing to be into. He faked the whole thing, just as I said and Gizmo said and Ken said right from the start. Geez...
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Ka2 on July 16, 2010, 03:12:52 AM
Quote from: simon on July 15, 2010, 09:47:22 AM
Spike why don't you stick to your educated guessing threads?  You are the essence of everything that has made this forum useless.  You are like a child that has to interrupt every conversation to get some attention.  It is so important to you that you see your words in print in every thread that you must constantly comment whether you have anything useful to say or not.  You (and others) seem to be so lacking in confidence that if you read something you don't understand or agree with then your only response is to throw out immature insults.  GM is right about one thing, an educated person just does not do that.  An educated person listens, and offers intelligent conversation and debate or moves on.  I wouldn't waste a minute reading or arguing about the useless drivel you post.  I suggest that you (and others) do the same with other people's writings that one would have no interest in.

Hear! Hear!  :clapping:
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 16, 2010, 03:33:09 AM
Geez I busted the guy out of the gate and you STILL think he's for real? Like Number Six says 'This place has turned into a cyber-asylum.' The smell of desperation is everywhere.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on July 16, 2010, 03:57:32 AM
Quote from: Spike! on July 16, 2010, 12:00:05 AM
just because it's similar doesn't mean he's not into it.  whatever....>>

Into WHAT?? There's nothing to be into. He faked the whole thing, just as I said and Gizmo said and Ken said right from the start. Geez...

"I told you so!"  :sarcastic:

Whether Simon belives in this Monk stuff or not he was still 100% correct about what he said about you Spike. He forgot to mention though that you are also a coward and a chicken. Puk puk puk puk puuuuuuk!  :sarcastic: (refering off course your no-show)
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 16, 2010, 04:41:15 AM
He forgot to mention though that you are also a coward and a chicken.>>

Sorry I couldn't show, but I don't hang with pathetic people who want hand outs. Sorry....
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: bombus on July 16, 2010, 07:24:26 AM
Quote from: GriellianMonk on July 14, 2010, 06:02:46 PM
People like you are exactly what is wrong with humanity.

And what, pray tell is wrong with humanity? And who are you to judge?


Quote from: GriellianMonk on July 14, 2010, 06:02:46 PM
Those involved I will contact via email.

A nod is as good as a wink to a blind man.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: atlantis on July 16, 2010, 07:34:36 AM
Quote from: GriellianMonk on July 08, 2010, 08:17:59 PM
Here's how to transmit quantum information from one point in spacetime in the ethereal world to another without traversing the intervening space.  (Retreiving information from the future for roulette bets.)

The technique relies on the strange quantum phenomenon called entanglement, in which two particles share the same existence. This deep connection means that a measurement on one particle immediately influences the other, even though they are light-years apart. I worked out how to exploit this to send information. (The influence between the particles may be immediate, but the process does not violate relativity because some informatiom has to be sent classically at the speed of light.) The technique is called teleportation.

Since quantum particles are indistinguishable but for the information they carry, there is no need to transmit them themselves. A much simpler idea is to send the information they contain instead and ensure that there is a ready supply of particles at the other end to take on their identity.  

Physicists have used these ideas to actually teleport photons, atoms, and ions. And it's not too hard to imagine that molecules and perhaps even viruses could be teleported in the not-too-distant future.
While at the Tohoku University in Japan I came up with a much more exotic idea. Why not use the same quantum principles to teleport Energy and information from the future back to the past?  Roulette came to my mind.

The process of teleportation involves making a measurement on each one an entangled pair of particles. The measurement on the first particle injects quantum energy into the system.  By carefully choosing the measurement to do on the second particle, it is possible to extract the original Energy and then to retreive the information from the future.
All this is possible because there are always quantum fluctuations in the Energy of any particle from the past and the future. The teleportation process allows you to inject quantum Energy at one point in the universe and then exploit quantum Energy fluctuations to extract it from another point. Of course, the Energy of the system as whole is unchanged.  

Like a string of entangled ions oscillating back and forth in an electric field trap, a bit like Newton's balls. Measuring the state of the first ion injects Energy into the system in the form of a phonon, a quantum of oscillation. By performing the right kind of measurement on the last ion extracts this Energy. Since this can be done at the speed of light (in principle), the phonon doesn't travel across the intermediate ions so there is no heating of these ions. The Energy has been transmitted without traveling across the intervening spacetime. That's why it's teleportation.

The really exciting stuff is the implications this has for the foundations of the game of roulette. This approach gives physicists a way of exploring the relationship between quantum information time and quantum Energy for the first time.
There is a growing sense that the properties of the universe are best described not by the laws that govern matter but by the laws that govern information time. This appears to be true for the ethereal world, is certainly true for special relativity, and is currently being explored for general relativity and even the game of roulette. Having a way to handle Energy on the same footing may helps to draw these diverse strands together.  This is why I'm here.


Hey - check out this science blog:
nolinks://dad2059.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/the-quantum-entanglement-of-energy/ (nolinks://dad2059.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/the-quantum-entanglement-of-energy/)

Anything look familiar???? I'll quote a little bit from it:


Quote
The technique relies on the strange quantum phenomenon called entanglement, in which two particles share the same existence. This deep connection means that a measurement on one particle immediately influences the other, even though they are light-years apart. Bennett and company worked out how to exploit this to send information. (The influence between the particles may be immediate, but the process does not violate relativity because some informatiom has to be sent classically at the speed of light.) They called the technique teleportation.


See the word for word similarities with GM's post above? :) :)

You can tell it's copied and pasted - look at word "informatiom" !!

See how he deleted the original name - bennett - and put in "I" thus plaigiarizing the piece...

End of Story.  :yahoo:

A.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: atlantis on July 16, 2010, 08:10:56 AM
On July 9th, GriellianMonk wrote:

Quote
This is where consciousness comes from, it raises the question: Where did the Planck-scale processes that cause it come from? The answer: They came from the Big Bang. In this view, consciousness—all consciousness—was created at the same moment when the universe was created.   The soul exists and it must be anchored to our moment of cosmic origin.  This is what Italian astrophysicist Paola Zizzi terms the "Big Wow," shorthand for her description of the connection between "the very early quantum computing universe and our mind."

After death, there's a physical mechanism for consciousness that persists after death.  It enters the universe at large, and it gets picked back up again by someone or something else.  At the Division of Perceptual Studies, there are file cabinets bulging with case studies of people who think they know. Most of them are children who remember past lives: who they were, where they lived, what they looked like, what work they did, all sorts of details of a life. 

Compare with this science mag article:

nolinks://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/soul-search/article_view?b_start:int=2&-C= (nolinks://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/soul-search/article_view?b_start:int=2&-C=)

I will quote a bit from it below:

Quote
Even if that idea answers where consciousness comes from, it raises the question: Where did the Planck-scale processes that cause it come from Penrose's answer: They came from the Big Bang. In this view, consciousness—all consciousness—was created at the same moment when the universe was created. If the soul exists, it, too, might be anchored to our moment of cosmic origin. This is what Italian astrophysicist Paola Zizzi terms the "Big Wow," shorthand for her description of the connection between "the very early quantum computing universe and our mind."

Penrose's ideas hint at a physical mechanism for consciousness that persists after death. "If a patient isn't revived," Hameroff says, "it enters the universe at large, and maybe it gets picked back up again by someone someday, who knows?" At the Division of Perceptual Studies, there are file cabinets bulging with case studies of people who think they know. Most of them are children who remember past lives: who they were, where they lived, what they looked like, what work they did, all sorts of details of a life.

Game Over.  :haha:

A.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Bayes on July 16, 2010, 10:04:17 AM
Nice work atlantis!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: simon on July 16, 2010, 10:11:35 AM
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on July 16, 2010, 03:57:32 AM
"I told you so!"  :sarcastic:

Whether Simon belives in this Monk stuff or not he was still 100% correct about what he said about you Spike. He forgot to mention though that you are also a coward and a chicken. Puk puk puk puk puuuuuuk!  :sarcastic: (refering off course your no-show)

well I don't necessarily "believe" in it, I just like to try and keep an open mind.  quantum physics is beyond me, and there are many things people do not necessarily understand or can explain or prove (uh, I think people have heard of "God", for instance?  Who has a rather popular world-wide following, in various forms), and I have read books about things like remote viewing, which apparently has been proven, though is pretty hard to explain, and a book I read a while back called Future Memory was quite interesting (the future has already happened, or something like that), I don't know, it's interesting stuff, and quite frankly, no worse than any of the thousands of systems that have been devised to beat roulette, none of which, last I checked, have been proven to beat the wheel, either.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Spike! on July 17, 2010, 01:22:20 AM
Kudo's to Atlantis. He changed just enough of words to make research difficult.

Plagiarism, as defined in the 1995 Random House Compact Unabridged Dictionary, is the "use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work."
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: col1879 on February 05, 2011, 05:50:39 PM
************************* After death, there's a physical mechanism for consciousness that persists after death.  It enters the universe at large, and it gets picked back up again by someone or something else.*************************I

After death you evolve and go to a better place which is separate from this reality. Caterpillar to butterfly. It does not enter the universe, in the next stage the 'universe' is not a valid construct- it does not exist. Your 'soul' does not come back, reformed, but rather evolves to the next stage which is void of construct- impossible to imagine.

I like tropical fish and currently have two tanks. If I take a wee fishy out, hold it by it's tail and say to it (pointing at the television) "Over there is my 42 inch Samsung", look over to towards the window and say "and there, mr fishy, are some curtains, a lamp and a cabinet....." It wouldn't work, fish don't speak English!

Trying to imagine what the existence you have after death is like is the same as the problem for the fish. You cannot imagine the indescribable. The universe is just one big aquarium. When you die and get taken out you do not get plopped back in!

***********************This appears to be true for the ethereal world, is certainly true for special relativity, and is currently being explored for general relativity and even the game of roulette. Having a way to handle Energy on the same footing may helps to draw these diverse strands together.  This is why I'm here.******************************

You are here because:

You beat the odds, fought hard and got inside that egg

You were born where you were born and in to your lifestyle (I take it you did not grow up in extreme poverty where a high percentage starve to death?)

You live at a point in human evolution where the internet exists.

Ultimately you were here, are not here now, and will or will not be here again! But where are you now? You cannot be here and be somewhere else at the same time, can you?

Ultimately you can be everywhere at the same time. You are. That's what deja vu is. Everything I have ever did has already happened. Everything that I am going to do has also already happened, I am just catching up. What is happenning now is the centre, the source of the 'energy' that you believe in.

Conclusion: don't think about things too much, it's pointless. Enjoy life as much as you can and concentrate on doing the things in life that make you happy. Whether you want to or not, it's already happened and will continue to happen! lol


Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: iggiv on February 05, 2011, 06:21:05 PM
Quote from: MAX on July 08, 2010, 01:59:12 PM
Religions and believes are capable of extraordinary things.

Give him a chance maybe we can learn something.

Regards
MAX



maybe we can, but not about roulette certainly
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: MauiSunset on February 05, 2011, 06:28:06 PM
I can't help myself I've got to put in my 2 cents worth.

Dying is simply flipping the on switch to off.

Then nothing..............

I hate to bring up the topic of Santa Claus next.....
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: birdhands on February 06, 2011, 12:25:37 AM
MS, what makes you so sure?  How many times have you died? 
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: MauiSunset on February 06, 2011, 12:37:09 AM
Quote from: birdhands on February 06, 2011, 12:25:37 AM
MS, what makes you so sure?  How many times have you died?  

Clever question but one thing you've got to admire about "nature" - it's very efficient.  There is no need for us to continue once the lights go out - that would ask "nature" to do something that isn't needed.

If folks want to believe that magically they will live on, somehow, that's ok - whatever makes you sleep better at night.

Science has no answers right now and as we discover how our brain works we will find out that we are no more special than other animals, we just have more of a certain kind of brain cell than they do.

When the lights go out we will simply be recycled by nature - just more food for the worms.............

Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: birdhands on February 06, 2011, 12:52:50 AM
That is certainly a reasonable perspective, although it's also quite reasonable to expect the unexpected, given that what we don't know far outweighs what we do.  Besides, I for one find a materialistic/biological explanation to be boring; I think the universe has something far more interesting in store for us.

PS You really pulled a wacky thread out of the vault here.  I had no idea it even existed.  Great stuff.

Sam
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: MauiSunset on February 06, 2011, 01:02:00 AM
One of the reasons gambling is so fascinating to me is that is basically a religion.

All religions are grounded in principles that can't be proven - and "special" people have inside knowledge.

What drives gambling websites is the belief that past random events can be harnessed to enrich our futures; the belief that we can find patterns in random spins of the Roulette wheel or throws of the dice.

You can't talk folks out of religion and its hard to convince them that past random events have no bearing on the future.

I just find it fascinating that when our brains can't understand something it comes up with some theory that it truly believes explains things that don't exist.  That's how our brains are hardwired and the reason most religions are very similar.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: pins on February 06, 2011, 02:17:53 AM
 nobody  know how the universe was created. a second after its easy. a second before. nothing. no time no space.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: MauiSunset on February 06, 2011, 02:24:45 AM
Quote from: pins on February 06, 2011, 02:17:53 AM
nobody  know how the universe was created. a second after its easy. a second before. nothing. no time no space.


We humans have a problem with things that have no beginning and no end - we just can't process that idea.

I just know that the universe was never created - it's always been here and will always be here - no beginning and no end.  We just don't have the math tools to deal with this so we just make up the "Big bang" - magically all the matter and energy just appeared - from where?

Our real problem is that the universe is an expanding 4th dimension and we see the affect, like every point in space is moving away from every other point but we just can't point to the 4th dimension.

Anyway our minds can't handle this stuff and so it makes up explanations the best it can.  Someday we will understand and this will all become crystal clear.  Until then the Big Bang is the only explanation our minds can cook up - as long as you don't ask "Where did all this stuff come from?".
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: birdhands on February 06, 2011, 10:31:16 AM
I agree but I want to add that nobody, and I mean nobody is above belief.  There is simply no way out of one belief system or another; we are all involved in faith-based activities.  It's awfully humble being human, skyscrapers and all....
Sam
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: MauiSunset on February 06, 2011, 10:37:07 AM
Well I just wanted to point out that much of what we think we understand is based upon beliefs since we lack the science to offer any rational explanation - this goes for gambling too.

Because we have a hard time understanding that spinning the wheel still means that every number can come up and every number has the same chance we cook up theories of "patterns in randomness" which plague this and all gambling websites.

Sadly, there are many folks who use this weakness of ours and exploit it to make a buck or two......
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Mike on February 06, 2011, 10:59:47 AM
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 06, 2011, 02:24:45 AM
I just know that the universe was never created - it's always been here and will always be here - no beginning and no end.  We just don't have the math tools to deal with this so we just make up the "Big bang" - magically all the matter and energy just appeared - from where?

And how do you KNOW that? this is itself a belief, based on what?

The point is, the scientific methodology is the best tool we have for learning about the world. It's a valid inference that there was a big bang, based on the FACT that the universe is expanding, and lots of other evidence. You can't just dismiss the theory because you don't have all the answers as to what was there before the big bang. Science is about evidence, and making the best model which fits the available evidence. So far the big bang theory is the best we have, but it doesn't mean that better theories won't come along in the future.


Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: birdhands on February 06, 2011, 11:42:30 AM
MS,
  I've been thinking about roulette as a religious endeavor, and I think it is in many ways.  Personally I find it to be one of the most engaging of human activities, asking unanswerable questions, screaming into the void.  This is to me one of the most dignified and courageous things we do.  As Camus said: Sisyphus was happy.

Sam
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: MauiSunset on February 06, 2011, 11:53:11 AM
Quote from: Mike on February 06, 2011, 10:59:47 AM
And how do you KNOW that? this is itself a belief, based on what?

The point is, the scientific methodology is the best tool we have for learning about the world. It's a valid inference that there was a big bang, based on the FACT that the universe is expanding, and lots of other evidence. You can't just dismiss the theory because you don't have all the answers as to what was there before the big bang. Science is about evidence, and making the best model which fits the available evidence. So far the big bang theory is the best we have, but it doesn't mean that better theories won't come along in the future.




So where did all this "stuff" come from?

When you can't answer that simple question then basing theories on the Big Bang are totally worthless.

Science has to cook up "dark matter" and other gobbledygook to patch the Big Bang up.  Then the idea of dozens/hundreds of sub-atomic particles are needed to make Big Bang work.  

"Nature" just doesn't work that way - it always takes the simplest course - always.

The concept of empty space is all we have to work with - everything must come from that.  Empty space has no limits and expanding and contracting of empty space means nothing.  Empty space needs no start date or end date - there is nothing there to worry about.

Just like random numbers - there is nothing to work with.

Personally I have a theory:

"The net sum of the universe is zero".

That solves the problem of where did all the stuff come from - all the matter and anti-matter equal out so will energy and the concept of anti-energy - they will zero out.

The universe is a net sum zero game - we can't process that idea and cook up all kinds of theories that just don't ever work out as we learn more and more.

But that's just my feeble attempt to work with empty space and my fascination with random numbers and what folks see in them.

There's nothing there folks.......
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: Mike on February 06, 2011, 12:43:52 PM
In a sense you're right in that energy is neither created or destroyed, but only transformed. "The total energy of the universe is a constant".

However, that doesn't mean that the big bang never actually occurred, it may just mean that on the "other side" of the big bang there may have existed a universe (or something) completely different from anything we can understand now.

And I don't agree that having an incomplete or flawed theory is useless. By pushing the boundaries of what we know, we gain a greater understanding of things which may give us great benefits. Newton's theories were limited in that they didn't account for relativity, but it doesn't mean they're wrong, in fact, it's only in specialized applications that you need relativity at all. Newtons laws were enough to get man on the moon, and they're still used every day by engineers.

But predicting random numbers? it'll never happen.  ;D
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: pins on February 06, 2011, 07:52:14 PM
another thing its hard to accept. roulette is a unbeatable game. we will never know how the universe came into being. we will never go to the stars. this world is full of crazy people.   and beliefs. not one iota of proof that god exists. you know what they  say. give me the child till seven .and i will give you the man. why worry.
Title: Re: Understanding it all
Post by: col1879 on February 06, 2011, 11:16:26 PM
***************Dying is simply flipping the on switch to off.Then nothing..............****************************

People usually make judgements based on their experiences. Up until a certain age I believed too that when you die.......... nothing. Like, as you say, a switch being flipped to 'off'.

However, I had a bizarre experience. One night, well 5:30am to be exact, so early morning, I suddenly awoke from a deep sleep. I say 'awoke', but my eyes were shut, but I was definitely conscious and knew where I was, lying in my sleeping bag on the floor in the living room (I was visiting my grandparents) and, the only way I can describe it, is a bright white light suddenly filled my head.

My eyes were shut, but I was looking at a white light. It was like being in a totally white room, nothing else. Except you couldn't say it was a room because there were no walls lol Suddenly I felt a 'presence' and realised it was my grandad. I couldn't see anything, all white, but I reached up with my arms to touch him and he stopped me. I asked him with a voice inside my head 'where are you going?' and he said 'to a better place'. I said 'do not go' but he said that he had to. I told him that I loved him and he said that he loved me too. With that, he was gone.

Suddenly I opened my eyes and sat up. I looked at the video player and it said 5:30am. I went to get up and walk through to my grandparents bedroom to check on them and see if they were okay, but something stopped me. I decided I must have just been hallucinating or something and went back to sleep.

At about 7am I woke up and could hear that my grandmother had arisen by the sound of her footsteps moving around. Thinking back, I don't know why I thought of it as being my grandmother's footsteps and not my grandfather's, but I was certain at the time. I lay in my sleeping bag and suddenly thought 'he's dead, isn't he?'

Five seconds later my grandmother came in and told me my grandfather was dead. He really was.

I do not belong to any particular faith, but I now strongly believe that after you die you go somewhere else. Where that is I do not know. I could be wrong though and if I am, who cares? You wont know any differently if it is just like a switch being flipped to 'off'

**********************"The net sum of the universe is zero".******************************

No it's not, I'm in it! I'ts zero +1. I am the only real one, you are all in my head lol

********************* By pushing the boundaries of what we know, we gain a greater understanding of things which may give us great benefits.***************

We are definitely moving forwards and not backwards. The world as it is today would be an alien environment if someone who lived in 1776 were to visit us. One day we will have human beings living on other planets. Space really is the final frontier. If it's not, well then on to the next frontier then!