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Title: Probability Is Not Science
Post by: Spike! on July 09, 2010, 05:24:57 AM
 Probability is a theory, not a law. "The word probability does not have a consistent direct definition. In fact, there are sixteen broad categories of probability interpretations, whose adherents possess different (and sometimes conflicting) views about the fundamental nature of probability"

Probability is NOT an exact science. In fact, its like trying to grab a fistful of jello; just when you think you've got it, it squishes through your fingers. Putting all your marbles in the probability bag as far as roulette is concerned is a fools errand. Probability and roulette are not exact sciences.

Why do I talk about this so much? Its the essence of roulette, its what is supposed to govern random outcomes. Kind of a false god, once you realize whats really happening.
Title: Re: Probability Is Not Science
Post by: Bayes on July 09, 2010, 11:13:07 AM
Quote from: Spike! on July 09, 2010, 05:24:57 AM
its what is supposed to govern random outcomes. Kind of a false god, once you realize whats really happening.

As usual, Spike shows his ignorance. Probability does not pretend to 'govern' random outcomes, but it does describe them exactly, there's nothing inexact about it.

There may not be any consistent interpretations of probability, but the axioms ('laws') are the same in all interpretations.
Title: Re: Probability Is Not Science
Post by: Spike! on July 09, 2010, 11:31:04 AM
Probability does not pretend to 'govern' random outcomes, but it does describe them exactly, there's nothing inexact about it.>>>

Ah! If probability doesn't govern random outcomes, what does? You talk like it does, you act like it does.
Title: Re: Probability Is Not Science
Post by: Bayes on July 09, 2010, 12:08:55 PM
Quote from: Spike! on July 09, 2010, 11:31:04 AM
Ah! If probability doesn't govern random outcomes, what does?

Physics (nolinks://nolinks.roulette.gmxhome.de/theory.html) of course, what else could it be?
Title: Re: Probability Is Not Science
Post by: Herb6 on July 09, 2010, 02:10:10 PM
Spike,

Why do you continue to argue about probability and physics with someone much smarter than you?
You've already proclaimed your ignorance of the subject. 
Title: Re: Probability Is Not Science
Post by: gizmotron on July 09, 2010, 03:16:14 PM
Quote from: Bayes on July 09, 2010, 12:08:55 PM
Physics (nolinks://nolinks.roulette.gmxhome.de/theory.html) of course, what else could it be?

It could be that thinking that physics tells the true story of roulette is just more baloney. Like the well crafted dealer that not only knows which customer to beat but for some reason always ends up selecting you. Otherwise the release of the ball is completely random on its own.
Title: Re: Probability Is Not Science
Post by: Herb6 on July 09, 2010, 03:27:12 PM
Gizmo,

As I recall, you too have proclaimed that you are ignorant.

You have bragged on more than one occasion that you are NOT a mathboy.  So why should we listen to you?