Let's say hypothetical speaking you got the Holy Grail. How would you proceed to take as much money as you can from the casino's?
I mean if you would take a reputable casino, will they ban you if you win too much? and how much would that be?
I think there are about 600 online casino's with about only 50 or so that are "trustworthy" enough to actually play at.
So lets say you take a 1000 a day from one casino and go to next one the next day. After 50 days you have to start with casino number one again. And so far you "only" made 50.000, not enough to live on for the rest of your live.
I'm really interested what you guys think?
(p.s. the system you are using is to complex to use in b&m casino's so you cant use those.)
So lets say you take a 1000 a day from one casino and go to next one the next day.>>>
You're living in a dream world. No casino in the world, B&M or online, plays fair. They have one goal, to take your money. They would do everything in their power to shut you down if you won a lot every day. You wouldn't last a week online.
So why bother to find the holy grail then? If it can't be used online, what's the point...
Quote from: Spike! on July 10, 2010, 04:11:41 AM
You're living in a dream world. No casino in the world, B&M or online, plays fair.
Remember its the HOLY GRAIL, it doesn't matter if the casino's game plays fair or not, cause you cannot lose!
If it can't be used online, what's the point...>>
Are you joking? You do know that there are real casinos that aren't online, right?
>>Remember its the HOLY GRAIL, it doesn't matter if the casino's game plays fair or not, cause you cannot lose!>>
The HG only beats a fair game, nothing beats a cheating casino. Thats why its called cheating.
Quote from: Spike! on July 10, 2010, 04:30:53 AM
If it can't be used online, what's the point...>>
Are you joking? You do know that there are real casinos that aren't online, right?
Like I said before you CAN'T use it in B&M casino's its to complex
>>Remember its the HOLY GRAIL, it doesn't matter if the casino's game plays fair or not, cause you cannot lose!>>
The HG only beats a fair game, nothing beats a cheating casino. Thats why its called cheating.
No its the Holy Grail you cannot loose, cheating or no cheating, trust me, it doesnt matter, in the end you will WIN.
No its the Holy Grail you cannot lose, cheating or no cheating>>
Whatever you say, I'm sure you know best. For myself, I'm slowly backing out of this conversation. Bye now.. (whew)
With a system that cannot lose the secret would be, don't be greedy.
Once you have such a system the most important thing would be bankroll size.
Get the biggest bankroll together that you can, and play high stakes on busy or active tables where the surrounding action somewhat disguises your play.
Oh, and lose big every now and then... if you win $10000 over a week give them back $3000 or $4000 in one pathetic session every so often. It's not like you won't get it back, you have the grail, remember.
Oh, and lose big every now and then... if you win $10000 over a week give them back $3000 or $4000 in one pathetic session every so often.>>>
See? There are a few smart people here. Always remember, you're playing in somebody's living room and they expect you to lose. If you're taking their money instead of giving them your's, they'll notice you and take appropriate action. Be smart, you know whats going on and they don't. Never wise up a chump, especially when the chump is the casino..
Don't forget that Ka2 said online casinos, so although that tactic might work at B & M, it won't online. They have your account details - how much you've won and lost - end of story.
You would just have to open multiple accounts and see how you go. Not all online casinos are cheats, they don't have to be. The vast majority of people lose anyway.
Quote from: Bayes on July 10, 2010, 06:15:25 AM
Don't forget that Ka2 said online casinos, so although that tactic might work at B & M, it won't online. They have your account details - how much you've won and lost - end of story.
You would just have to open multiple accounts and see how you go. Not all online casinos are cheats, they don't have to be. The vast majority of people lose anyway.
Correct.
But grail or no grail, I just wouldn't play for serious money online... too many things beyond my control.
So, I choose to ignore the "online" part of this discussion.
Cheers.
Quote from: Bayes on July 10, 2010, 06:15:25 AM
Don't forget that Ka2 said online casinos, so although that tactic might work at B & M, it won't online. They have your account details - how much you've won and lost - end of story.
Finally someone who actually reads... :-)
You would just have to open multiple accounts and see how you go. Not all online casinos are cheats, they don't have to be. The vast majority of people lose anyway.
I know one thing for sure though, if I got banned from a reputable casino. I would spread the word like wildfire, see if they like that kind of free advertising. Especially at sites as casinomeister and all...
Not all online casinos are cheats>>
They all are as far as I'm concerned. I can beat Dublin all day and all night in fun mode, if I bet 1 number and place virtual bets for what I'm really playing. As soon as I start making real bets in fun mode, I always always always lose. And they are supposed to be the gold standard of online casinos. They are so obviously cheating its not even worth discussing. If they have to cheat in fun mode, god knows what they do with real money.
Yes but obvious you dont have the holy grail, thats for sure :-)
And also Dublin is a real wheel. Sure they could cheat... but how? I mean there are maybe over 100 players playing on that same wheel, so the whole table is covered... get my drift?
Maybe your 70% system just isnt that good (kidding...)
You won't last 2 weeks at any reputable online casino before the proverbial hits the fan.
They can make sure you "don't win".
As for reporting it to Casinomeister, lol. You live in a fantasy world if you think that site is anything other than an advert for the online casinos. Get real.
One other thing. No method is too complex for the casino! Teach a friend and play as a team. The casinos hate it but there are ways around it. I know, I know, .....it is top secret. I have had my laugh for the day, thanks.
hmmmm it seems you all know the answers... ??? no point for me then to waist my time on this forum...
Hi Ka2,
Play in different casinos (from different companies) every day.
Place a few random bets with lower value units at the same time so they don't learn your method.
Don't wait to make big withdrawals and withdraw smaller amounts daily. I have noticed casinos taking too much time to accept a big withdrawal.
Don't play online only. Split half of your time online and half land based.
Spent as less time as possible on each table, finish quickly and don't get noticed.
Get family members/good friends to open accounts and play using their account and credit card details, in a different computer/different IP address.
Best wishes,
CashGrowth.
Quote from: Ka2 on July 10, 2010, 04:05:39 AM
(p.s. the system you are using is to complex to use in b&m casino's so you cant use those.)
So we need software and maybe even bots to play this hypothetical holy grail?
What's wrong with a little bit of REAL feedback?
If you had the so called grail and you were playing it at a live online casino, you would know the answers to your question.
So assuming you don't have it, let me tell you what will happen!
They will let you win for so long and then you will experience difficulties. The casinos who do not try and p*ss you off by cheating you will just refuse your business. Dublinbet have a clause in their terms and conditions which states they can refuse the business of professional players. This in my opinion is reasonable. At least they do not resort to underhand tactics like some of the others.
You did not reply concerning the teamplay aspect. What's wrong with that? Would you be afraid to share your method and profits with someone you trust? It would seem the sensible solution to me.
Quote from: elmo on July 10, 2010, 07:18:49 AM
As for reporting it to Casinomeister, lol. You live in a fantasy world if you think that site is anything other than an advert for the online casinos. Get real.
Yawn, another conspiracy theorist. How about
you get real? Casinomeister is an independent site and there is no affiliate program with any casino. Most of the accredited casinos are UK White listed and it's not easy to get on the list:
QuotePlayer and Responsible Gaming Focused
* Must forbid underage play.
* Must have a clean history of fairness towards their customers.
* Must be able to take care of any player issue swiftly and professionally.
* Must display information about responsible gambling, with links to relevant organizations.
* Must offer and enforce spending limits in addition to both temporary and permanent self exclusion options.
Marketing Standards
* Must not use false, misleading or deceptive advertising.
* Must not spam, and must take appropriate actions against any affiliates or any third parties who do spam.
Operational Standards
* Must pay winnings in a timely manner.
* Must not disqualify any player from a payout if terms & conditions are met, except for situations of fraud (multiple-accounts, bogus ID documents, chargebacks, etc.,).
* Must not confiscate winnings for vague & unclear reasons, such as "irregular playing patterns" or "bonus abuse", without specific T&C violations.
* Must not implement terms that can be construed as "unfair" towards the player.
* No player shall be involuntarily placed into a situation which breaches the terms and conditions during the course of play.
* Must pay out progressive jackpot wins in full or in reasonable chunks, regardless of any terms and conditions limiting payouts.*
* Must remove any bonus and associated playthrough requirements at the request of the player if play has not commenced.
* Will not entice players to reverse cash withdrawals with bonuses or other incentives.
* Will not use outsourced support. Player support must be in-house.
Industry and Player Assurances
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You also overlook the fact that there is a list of 'rogue' casinos; how did they end up there?
btw Dublinbet is not accredited, although it doesn't necessarily mean they're crooks, but I wouldn't play there just for that reason.
Once again Bayes does not have a clue what he is talking about. lol.
Most of the members on that site are slot junkies. Then there are the longstanding members who are there practically all day (a bit like you on here) and seem really concerned by all the addicts woes. These members have their own websites which they are allowed to have links to. And yes, you guessed it, a lot of them are affiliates to online casinos. The webmaster Brian has no problem with this, lol.
Bayes, why don't tear yourself away from here for a moment and go feed the pixies at the bottom of your garden.
p.s. you mention that dublinbet is not on the list of acredited casinos, however a company like betfred is.
Myself and many others would always choose dublinbet over betfred.
In fact there are a lot of complaints on casinomeister about betfred, however because they use the playtech software, nothing is ever really made of it.
Nedplay casino are another one, about a dozen members were complaining for months about this outfit and nothing was ever really made of it. There was certainly enough evidence to turn this outfit into a rogue operator.
I doubt you (bayes) have ever really read many of the posts there. You seem to like to have a contradictory viewpoint to people in order to create arguments. It just makes you look foolish.
Quote from: elmo on July 10, 2010, 10:43:45 AM
Bayes, why don't tear yourself away from here for a moment and go feed the pixies at the bottom of your garden.
I'm sure those pixies are quite self sufficient, and Bayes could probably tear himself away from a lot of stuff... just like the rest of us.
Cheers. :drinks:
Quote from: Bayes on July 10, 2010, 09:47:09 AM
Casinomeister is an independent site and there is no affiliate program with any casino. Most of the accredited casinos are UK White listed and it's not easy to get on the list:
You also overlook the fact that there is a list of 'rogue' casinos; how did they end up there?
Sorry Bayes that is quite simply NOT the case..... :good:
Try "joining" from any of their accredited casinos, then look in the strap line in the browser......
Yep there it is Casinomeisters affiliate code, the money they get from sending you to said casino...... :rtfm:
I feel their ONLY concern is their affiliate bonuses $$$$$$$$$$$
You're right xman, I think I clicked on the only link which didn't have an affiliate. :(
Nevertheless, I would still recommend one of the accredited casinos to anyone looking for an OC.
Quote from: elmo on July 10, 2010, 10:43:45 AM
Bayes, why don't tear yourself away from here for a moment and go feed the pixies at the bottom of your garden.
Actually I don't spend a lot of time here, I've been away for the last few days and forgot to log out and it seems you're not logged out automatically after a few hours, so anyone reading the forum would have thought I'm 'always here'.
Quote from: Bayes on July 11, 2010, 04:05:25 AM
You're right xman, I think I clicked on the only link which didn't have an affiliate. :(
hehehehehe sod's / Murphy's Law that Bayes ;)
I think they do indeed sell themselves as a kinda of "authority" on online gaming.....
But as far as I can see ultimately its ALL about that Affiliate payment :(
Thx for answering my reply, & admitting you were incorrect :good:
Believe me that puts in a v exclusive club around here !!!!!
take it easy.... 8)
Xman1970
damn. . . most of the casino i play on isn't on the acredited list lol!
ladbrokes, betvoyager, europa, william hill :o