Roulette is a lucky game with a mathimatical advantage.(2.7)
This game exists in Casinos at least 400 years.So this means that it is still a game that is making money for the Casinos.
This game is the most explored game by mathimaticians and morons because the outcomes can be shown in an electronic board. ;D
These mathimaticians and morons are trying for 400 years to develop a method that will win more than it lose.
But the game of roulette still stands! It is still a profitable game for the Casinos.
What are the genuine ways to make money from Roulette.
1)Bias
2)VB
Before the 80s Casinos weren t aware of these 2 methods(at least they didn t took it siriously)
But after some major wins they finally inderstood that they had to do something for it!
So they leveled their roulettes,they used light balls,they made low fret wheels,they say NMB early(if they see a man watching in the wheel ,betting late and winning) and they are writing down thousants of spins in order to decect the biased wheels before the bias players....
So the conclusion is that even with those 2 ways we can t win anymore.(and If we can it is so hard that finally make the conclusion that we are betting randomly because the Conditions aren t in our favour as they should be in order to overcome the odds)
Now for the ppl that claim that they can win Roulette with patterns or maths or posibilities 1 is for sure:
They wouldn t waste their time by posting all day long in 2-3 forums...because for them time=money and they should also try to be very carefull for noone understand what are theit systems.
It is SO FU..ING simpleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee,,,,
why can t u understand????
ROULETTE IS JUST A LUCKY GAME!
Facts that can not win roulette
1)There aren t any patterns that can win more than others...everything in randomness is equal
2)because a colour hitted 14 times is Does NOT mean that the next one or 2 or 100 will be black...any system that is based on possibilities is a loser 400 years now!
3)every outcome is independent...we can t rely of what hitted bofore and make a more accurate prediction.
The only way to make money from roulette(or any casino game) is to have Supernatural powers and know what will win next.
The only way to make money from roulette(or any casino game) is to have Supernatural powers and know what will win next.
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AND THAT IS A FACT.
No kidding ? Really? Come on ! No more fun at the casino ? :diablo:
Putting all the scammers out of business . Have a heart . Where is the compassion ? :nono:
What are the genuine ways to make money from Roulette.
1)Bias
2)VB >>> What a complete joke. :girl_wacko: Only losers have to resort to such nonsense. Ken
most gamblers are stupid. i see them place bets where they get less back from the table then they back. but smart or stupid one thing is sure you will lose in the long run. keep trying but know when to stop/
but smart or stupid one thing is sure you will lose in the long run :thumbsup:
Quote from: Mr J on July 21, 2010, 06:56:16 AM
What are the genuine ways to make money from Roulette.
1)Bias
2)VB >>> What a complete joke. :girl_wacko: Only losers have to resort to such nonsense. Ken
well put ;)
Be happy with your naysayings. Roulette will be opened for the next 400 years. So you dont have to worry. You'll have plenty of time to come to go on with your arguments.
I dont pretend to be rude just i feel like having some fun with your mistaken arguments.
Long life to roulette!!!!!
I'm not a scammer. You can bet on that and wont lose.
Carlos.
Quote from: pins on July 21, 2010, 09:19:24 AM
most gamblers are stupid. I see them place bets where they get less back from the table then they back. but smart or stupid one thing is sure you will lose in the long run. keep trying but know when to stop/
That is about right.................After Ken's comment I think this is a prime example of him.
Jakkal U shouldn t say these things!
What happened with the HG KIMO LEE stuff.... :haha:
Quote from: Carpanta on August 02, 2010, 07:11:51 AM
Be happy with your naysayings. Roulette will be opened for the next 400 years. So you dont have to worry. You'll have plenty of time to come to go on with your arguments.
I dont pretend to be rude just I feel like having some fun with your mistaken arguments.
Long life to roulette!!!!!
I'm not a scammer. You can bet on that and wont lose.
Carlos.
Sorry but there really isn't 400 years remaining. There is less than a decade.
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 02, 2010, 11:57:05 AM
Sorry but there really isn't 400 years remaining. There is less than a decade.
i must disagree with you there.
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 02, 2010, 11:57:05 AM
Sorry but there really isn't 400 years remaining. There is less than a decade.
A month ago Gizmo told me he was up 2000 units then left 8000 down because he stayed too long. With this kind of play he thinks he will shut down roulette. The casinos are shaking with laughter.
roulette is not going anywhere. a new sucker is born every minute.
******A month ago Gizmo told me he was up 2000 units then left 8000 down because he stayed too long.***
But this cat knows how to gamble. ROFLMAO. :yahoo:
"roulette is not going anywhere. a new sucker is born every minute" >>> Yep and his name is Jakkalsdraai. :pilot:
Quote from: Mr J on August 02, 2010, 07:27:13 PM
"roulette is not going anywhere. a new sucker is born every minute" >>> Yep and his name is Jakkalsdraai. :pilot:
and why is that?
Quote from: Kyla Shooter on August 03, 2010, 01:59:54 AM
and why is that?
That's ok KS,
Ol' Ken just felt that he had to retaliate. And that was the best he could come up with. I actually liked his 2 number system (although I wouldn't play it myself).
Cheers
Jakk
Quote from: Jean-Claud on August 02, 2010, 11:18:53 AM
Jakkal U shouldn t say these things!
What happened with the HG KIMO LEE stuff.... :haha:
What happened to Kimo? Well funny you ask that. Go and have a look at the challenges in the challenges section and you will see that "Kimo stuff" worked pretty well. So well that it won both challenges. So what happened to your 63rd HG Jean-Claude, Jordan, Oldtimer, Viper, Teo etc. etc. etc. ......................You might just be the biggest fool of 'em all. I say that because Kimo's stuff is not a system but a method yet you think it is a cut and dry mechanical way (which it is not). Also you advocated that no system coule ever work and would ever work and that VB is the only way.......... I mean you even told me on MSN how you closed down a table with VB. I will not go on and elaborate. Then you turn around and critisize people like Forester and AP players and say that their stuff does not work after you made videos teaching people vb and swearing that it is the only way.
You then turn around and create a system...........mechanical and then immediately claim it to be the HG.......then another and another and another.................if I didn't think you were a lunatic I would of put you in contact with Kimo........I do however believe you are a lunatic.
cheers
jakk
just to save me a little time, who isn't a lunatic here? lol ::)
"Ken just felt that he had to retaliate" >>> I'm a real fair guy. Push me, I push back. Ken
Jackkcal
The new fashion now in Roulette is to name the systems "METHODS" :lol:
Yes VB work...but in very few wheels nowdays(expirienced it urself AFTER I TOLD HOW TO PLAY VB!do u remember?
Can a math system win in Roulette? maybe NOT...but MAYBE!ppl every day are descovering new things.
yes maths on their own can not win ,because roulette has the advantage...but maybe a combination on maths-probability can win.
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on August 03, 2010, 04:02:08 AM
...Go and have a look at the challenges in the challenges section and you will see that "Kimo stuff" worked pretty well. So well that it won both challenges....
Both challenges?
Can someone point me to these two concluded challenges please?
I think one was spikes's 20 spin challenge, and the other one was probably NS's 100 spin challenge, but as far as I know the NS challenge never finished...did it?
Cheers.
Quote from: bombus on August 03, 2010, 06:50:56 AM
Both challenges?
Can someone point me to these two concluded challenges please?
I think one was spikes's 20 spin challenge, and the other one was probably NS's 100 spin challenge, but as far as I know the NS challenge never finished...did it?
Cheers.
I wanted to continue but the whole idea was that Spike and Gizmo compete against us which was exactly why the challenge was created. Gizmo and Spike's own challenge.........which they then did not attend. So we were already there and played anyway.
I will gladly take part in any challenge using only Kimo Li's methods. Not saying I'm invincible but I sure as hell will take anyone on that's over here!
BTW Viper, Jean-Claude, Jordan, Oldtimer and Teo ...... system to me means a way of play according to a fixed set of rules.
Method to me means no fixed rules rather using certain tools to determine your bet selection together with what is happening on the wheel. This means that there is no fixed rules telling you what to bet.
Quote from: Jean-Claud on August 03, 2010, 06:19:14 AM
Jackkcal
The new fashion now in Roulette is to name the systems "METHODS" :lol:
I agree, pretty funny. Whatever you call them doesn't change the fact that you must use TRIGGERS, unless your system is to bet the same thing over and over. It doesn't matter how many there are or what they're based on. The whole "mechanical vs non-mechanical" debate is a red herring. ALL "methods", "systems" "tactics" "approaches" etc are mechanical, and that includes all AP methods.
QuoteMethod to me means no fixed rules rather using certain tools to determine your bet selection together with what is happening on the wheel. This means that there is no fixed rules telling you what to bet.
It doesn't matter if you decide before you get to the wheel what you're going to play or not. "What is happening on the wheel" doesn't preclude the use of triggers, in fact it necessitates them. You must have a "database" of them in your mind, discovered through prior experience and/or research. If not, then how can you be making a consistent profit?(assuming you are). Betting on a "whim" or based on "gut feeling" intuition etc is not a reason to bet. That's just like bettting "lucky" numbers or using the "scatterchip" method. If you don't have REASON to bet the way you do, how can you know whether it's going to be successful?
Even if you bet a different way when the same event repeats itself at the table, you must still have a trigger. It could be something like "bet alternately red and black when the same sequence shows up", or maybe some other pattern.
No non-AP player likes to admit this, because it forces them to deny the "dogma" of independent trials, on pain of contradiction.
Hi Bayes,
I agree that systems do not work. I also agree that AP is the way to go. Then again Kimo Li's 'methods' is not a system, it's also not guessing and it does work.
"Method to me means no fixed rules" >>> ? :girl_wacko:? :girl_wacko:. Ken
In the end roulette game could be reduced to a matter of secuences and frecuences of all those events you can track and record while playing.
Roulette can't deny chance to produce unbalance results among certain events, we can observe and profit when you know what to look at, during certain periods of the game.
So WHAT and WHEN (of such events) are the very questions to ask oneself so as to raise one's chances to succeed in this game.
Carlos.
Quote from: Mr J on August 05, 2010, 01:57:08 PM
"Method to me means no fixed rules" >>> ? :girl_wacko:? :girl_wacko:. Ken
That's right Ken. With Kimo's methods there are no fixed rules. Only tools to help you make decisions. Again I am open to any challenge.
I'm not asking about your girlfriend Kim. My question is.....I use around 8 different methods. Would you say I have no fixed rules to play those methods? Ken
I think all three (Jakk, Mr j, Carpanta) have something in common ,
you play by own rules and these rules yes are fixed , but not rigid ,
is like some methods that can t be encoded. There is something
most important, something that can not be coded, something which if
we use together with experience help us get out to the surface, the human decision.
We decide( not the system) when enter or exit to game, when is the right moment to do this or that.....
You are not the only ones who think and play like this, there are others, too.
Or I am wrong ?
Cheers.
I agree and I'm not even saying the rules are SMART but for someone to suggest there are NO fixed rules for my methods, thats crazy talk. I dont see how Jakk can win, he's an AP (cough) guy. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 06, 2010, 06:54:15 AM
I agree and I'm not even saying the rules are SMART but for someone to suggest there are NO fixed rules for my methods, thats crazy talk. I dont see how Jakk can win, he's an AP (cough) guy. Ken
I see Kimo Li's methods as AP as well! ;D It has to be cause I'm getting an advantage.
I don t care if is or not AP , i like Kimo s methods ,especially the *stars* and half stars( 3 numbers).
Btw... Jakk you have not reply to me on the other thread you started about Kimo method.
Quote from: balint on August 06, 2010, 06:45:34 AM
I think all three (Jakk, Mr j, Carpanta) have something in common ,
you play by own rules and these rules yes are fixed , but not rigid ,
is like some methods that can t be encoded. There is something
most important, something that can not be coded, something which if
we use together with experience help us get out to the surface, the human decision.
We decide( not the system) when enter or exit to game, when is the right moment to do this or that.....
You are not the only ones who think and play like this, there are others, too.
Or I am wrong ?
Cheers.
What's the difference between "fixed" and "rigid"?
ALL methods can be coded.
What's the difference between a "human" decision and any other kind? :-\
Think about it, every decision which can't be coded must depend not on any previous experience or research, but the whim of the moment, or a feeling. Maybe you just have a "hunch" that things are going to get worse. Computers aren't capable of any of these things. Ironically, they're damned because of it, and yet those same emotionally driven bets are also damned as detrimental and "unprofessional". :girl_wacko:
Maybe you just have a "hunch" that things are going to get worse.*
Bayes, first my english is poor...
No is not about a hunch or a feeling. We can see when the things are going worse
because the bankroll goes down , now is the moment to take the
human decision and stop when the things are going down, and wait until the things
tend to go up, than bet again. Yes I know can go bad again ( for that we have a stop lose, or two
stop loses, the first and *the second *which is the final stop lose), or can go good(up) and win.
I am talking about only flat bet systems.
And yes human decisions can be included( partially) in the rules(can be coded) but not 100%,
because when play for real money we can take another decision... Humans...
I will give you(if you wish) something to code, if you can code, better for me,
this way I can test my method for much more spins.
Cheers
Quote from: Jean-Claud link=topic=16679. msg115804#msg115804 date=1279659438
The only way to make money from roulette(or any casino game) is to have Supernatural powers and know what will win next.
Correct. .
Quote from: cilxeskyd on September 26, 2010, 12:16:10 PM
Correct. .
It will likely save
you money to believe that.
In reality there are quite a few methods that do beat roulette consistently under reasonable circumstances. You realistically cannot beat roulette 100% of the time though. I'm talking about real wheels, not rng. If you believe otherwise., you simply need to be educated on the matter because it's actually quite well known to even casinos themselves - although much of the staff have no real understanding.