I have used this method 4 times live and have BEYOND GREAT results. My NETS were $910, $980, $880, $1,250. Basically betting TWO UNHIT numbers, side by side on the wheel (double zero wheel for myself). My progression goes up to 56 steps. I usually start on the 00/1 but it makes NO difference! Say the 17 hit, cross it off. We now skip the next 2 spins (no betting) cross off whatever hit. Pick again 2 unhit numbers side by side on the wheel, base this on nothing please! No due numbers or hot or cold numbers etc., ONLY unhit numbers.
No win? Repeat the process. Skip 2 spins, bet, skip 2 spins, bet etc. On a win, start over fresh, nothing crossed off. NOTE: An example, lets say the 24 and 13 are crossed off. You must ALSO cross off the 36. The BEST case of dragging the progression is 165 spins, for TWO numbers! BUT, lets say I get down to the last two? We now do NO MORE skipping. Keep betting on those two for the rest of the progression. My average for that happening is once for every 7 wins. When that does happen, it drops from 165 to 135 total spins (my average).
So far, 135 POSSIBLE spins is my WORSE case situation. ANOTHER NOTE: Lets say the LAST unhit numbers are the 6 21 33. No more skipping spins. Alternate betting between the 6 21 and the 21 33.
The 2 downsides.... expensive BR and if roulette is not boring enough, we only bet 33% of the time. Using nickels for my progression, my NET wins are damn nice, worth the wait! Ken
You can add another NET of $850 in 5 hours this morning, THANKS! Ken :yahoo:
What par of chips did you use. I mean this 850$ how many starting chips it is for you ? And this method it is exactly the same method as in "My method" thread beacuse you were saying there about two charts etc. I don't know if I understand good. You use let say wheel chart and cross of what is hit and you bet every third spin. I don't know what is numbers sequence in american wheel. Let say it is 12345678. You bet 1,2, no win then you skip two spins let say 4,6, hit then you bet 3,5 ? I mean do you always go along whell and bet what is unhit every third spin ? and numbers which you bet have to be neighbours or not ? Can you tell what is your progression and how many spins it can last out ?
OMG, thats alot. When I get back sir, I have to take care of a few things. Ken
Quote from: pablos on August 05, 2010, 03:02:59 PM
What par of chips did you use. I mean this 850$ how many starting chips it is for you ? And this method it is exactly the same method as in "My method" thread beacuse you were saying there about two charts etc. I don't know if I understand good. You use let say wheel chart and cross of what is hit and you bet every third spin. I don't know what is numbers sequence in american wheel. Let say it is 12345678. You bet 1,2, no win then you skip two spins let say 4,6, hit then you bet 3,5 ? I mean do you always go along whell and bet what is unhit every third spin ? and numbers which you bet have to be neighbours or not ? Can you tell what is your progression and how many spins it can last out ?
Don't take this cat seriouosly,as he is a there and here,everywhere,but without any
actual effect.Prove me wrong
Which cat? Him or I?
I also don't know but if you are talking about me so I am not for long time here so I try differents systems and ask many question but I dont know about what effect you say ? Anyway Mr J I am still interested in your answers and systems.
Hi Mr. J
Very interesting as usual .. Thank you
TSK
Thank you Spiders Kiss!
@pablos >> Let me answer your concerns tomorrow, I will answer. Ken
What par of chips did you use. I mean this 850$ how many starting chips it is for you ? And this method it is exactly the same method as in "My method" thread beacuse you were saying there about two charts etc. I don't know if I understand good. You use let say wheel chart and cross of what is hit and you bet every third spin. I don't know what is numbers sequence in american wheel. Let say it is 12345678. You bet 1,2, no win then you skip two spins let say 4,6, hit then you bet 3,5 ? I mean do you always go along whell and bet what is unhit every third spin ? and numbers which you bet have to be neighbours or not ? Can you tell what is your progression and how many spins it can last out ? >>>> Sorry it took so long. This method has NOTHING to do with the other method. Yes, I do bet two numbers with the same progession. I will post the progression in the next post but keep in mind, its expensive, not many use it. Replace my bets with the unit size that fits your budget. This method is played for the WHEEL, not the layout. Your example of 12345678 means nothing. I use nickel chips ($5s). Ken
PROGRESSION >> 2 numbers, 1-56 $2,780 on a loss. Remember, each bet I post, multiply by TWO (2 numbers). Ken
1-14 $5, 15-23 $10, 24-29 $15, 30-33 $20, 34-37 $25, 38-40 $30, 41-42 $35,
43-44 $40, 45-46 $45, 47-48 $50, 49-50 $55, 51 $60, 52 $65, 53-54 $70,
55 $75, 56 $80.
Do you divide by 5 if you wanna play with $1 ?
Keel
Yeah... 1-14 $1, 15-23 $2, 24-29 $3 etc.
Quote from: Mr J on August 07, 2010, 04:08:33 AM
This method is played for the WHEEL, not the layout. Your example of 12345678 means nothing. Ken
I just didn't know what is the sequence on american wheel because I play eauropean wheel only that is why I wrote 1,2,3,4,5,etc. I checked and american sequence is:
1,00,27,10,25,29,12,8,19,31,18,6 etc
What I meant was: you wrote you start with 1,00 then skip two spins. Then let say 10,29 hit so what will be your next bet 27,25 ?
"Pick again 2 unhit numbers side by side on the wheel, base this on nothing" <<< This is my quote from the method. You do NOT need to go in any order. Pick ANY two unhit, side by side on the WHEEL.
Remember.....when betting, cross off what hit if you did not get a win.
While skipping your two spins.....cross off what hit (assuming its not crossed off yet).
SIDENOTE: I do have version #2 for this method, its a bit slower. Most HATE it if they cant bet every spin. Add that to the things I dont understand. lol Ken
So numbers have to be side by side and you cross off numbers which are not hit off but don't have unhit neighbours ? In this case there isn't many crossed off unhit numbers ?
Do you play on a 0 wheel? Ken
Yes I play 0 wheel but is it any difference ?
No difference. I'll give a short demo for the 0 wheel, is that ok? Have your 0 wheel chart ready. REMEMBER..... I'll pick any two side by side. Ken
Bet the 0/32...I'm picking anything !!
The 2 hit, cross off. Skip two spins, the 13 and 27 hit, cross off.
I'll bet the 29/7 (no reason)
The 28 hit, damn, cross off! Skip two, the 24 and 5 hit, cross off.
I'll bet the 31/9
The 4 hit, cross off. Skip two. The 30 and 32 hit, cross off
I'll bet the 25/17
The 3 hit, cross off. Skip two. The 20 and 7 hit, cross off.
I'll bet the 10/23
The 1 hit, cross off. Skip two. The 10 and 28 hit. Cross off the 10, the 28 is already crossed off
You can RE-BET unhit numbers.... I'll bet the 0/26
The 27 hit, its already crossed off. Skip two. The 35 and 5 hit. Cross off 35, the 5 is already crossed off
I'll bet 9/22......We'll say the 9 hits. Done (win) start over fresh, nothing crossed off. Ken
Do you understand Pablos? Ken
Ok as I understand you cross off numbers which are hit but not which you bet and what about when there are many numbers which are not crossed off but dont have unhit neighbours and you can't pick them ? You don't bet them at all ? because you wrote:
NOTE: An example, lets say the 24 and 13 are crossed off. You must ALSO cross off the 36.
I mean what when there are many numbers unhit but there are between two hit numbers.
"lets say the 24 and 13 are crossed off. You must ALSO cross off the 36" >>> This example is for the 00 wheel. Yes, cross off the 36 because it is impossible to bet it with the 24/13 crossed off.
So you always cross off such numbers ? because there can be many such cases and dont you worry that you cant bet them and they can be hit ? and the only case you bet such numbers is when you have only three numbers unhit ?
ANOTHER NOTE: Lets say the LAST unhit numbers are the 6 21 33. No more skipping spins. Alternate betting between the 6 21 and the 21 33.
"ANOTHER NOTE: Lets say the LAST unhit numbers are the 6 21 33. No more skipping spins. Alternate betting between the 6 21 and the 21 33" >>> Correct. If only 3 unhits SIDE BY SIDE, alternate between the two bets. Ken
Ok I understand know. You ALWAYS cross off unhit number without unhit neighbour. Is that correct ? and you only bet numbers side by side until you win or your progression is ended ? and you choose side by side numbers pure randomly ?
last question. Can you tell your usual, easy and hard session for one progression, I mean numbers of spins and how often you loss I mean you reach last step of progression without winning ?
"You ALWAYS cross off unhit number without unhit neighbour. Is that correct?" >>> I guess I dont understand your question. Its real simple.....any number that hits (any spin) if its not already crossed off, cross it off, no betting on it. "and you choose numbers pure randomly" >>> Yes but move those bets all over the wheel, dont stick to just one section. You are done after a win (start over) or you lose your progression, go home pissed. lol
"Can you tell your usual, easy and hard session for one progression" >>> I dont understand. I have no losses YET with this.
Quote from: Mr J on August 07, 2010, 05:39:45 PM
"You ALWAYS cross off unhit number without unhit neighbour. Is that correct?" >>> I guess I dont understand your question.
I am saying about that: NOTE: An example, lets say the 24 and 13 are crossed off. You must ALSO cross off the 36.
You always cross off number which is not hit but have both neighbours hit already ?
QuoteYes but move those bets all over the wheel, dont stick to just one section. You are done after a win (start over) or you lose your progression, go home pissed. lol
but there is no ANY specific rule you use except side by side numbers ?
Quote
"Can you tell your usual, easy and hard session for one progression" >>> I dont understand. I have no losses YET with this.
really great so can you at least say on which step of progression you usually win ?
"You always cross off number which is not hit but have both neighbours hit already?" >>> Yes.
"there is no ANY specific rule you use except side by side numbers? >>> Correct, side by side UNHIT.
"really great so can you at least say on which step of progression you usually win?" >>> Now I got it. My new average is at the 36th bet, so thats around 108 spins. Ken
Ok thanks for reply. I think I get it all now. Time to check it in real.
Anymore questions, just ask. I have NO PROBLEM answering questions. Ken
Hi Mr J
I have a question...what is version #2? I have no problem not betting every spin.
Thank you
My last question just to clarify: your progression count only spins which you bet I mean for example 1-14 steps mean 14 spins you bet which is ca. 42 overall spins ? and last question just out of curiosity,what is your average profit from one progression and how long one progression usually last ?
@Far-Q >> For this way, its better to use nickels as units. I cant imagine using dollars and waiting for long stretches, just my opinion. >>> Everything starts off the SAME but we do not bet on another pair UNTIL we cross off TWO unhits. So in the beginning, its usually the same. For example: Lets say its time for the 2 skipped spins. The 4 hits, we cross it off. Then the 30 hits, its already crossed off. No betting YET. The 20 then hits, its already crossed off. No betting YET. The 0 then hits, its already crossed off. No betting YET. The 24 hits, not crossed off yet. Cross it off and proceed with your next bet ETC.
Mr J
Thanks for your reply...it doesnt seem that big a stretch to me!
"for example 1-14 steps mean 14 spins you bet which is ca. 42 overall spins?" >>> Correct.
$130 is the average NET profit per win. How long does a progression last? I dont understand. Ken
"Thanks for your reply...it doesn't seem that big a stretch to me!" >>> At first, not a big deal. After around the 22nd bet, you could wait between 10-15 spins PER bet. Ken
I just though about time for one progression for example 1 hour , 2 hours ? and what method you think is better and you suggest to use ? skipping two spins or skipping two unhit spins ?
ken if you were to rate this method's effectiveness when compared to all of your other personal methods, how would you rank it out of 10? 10 being a holy grail.
Quote from: Mr J on August 07, 2010, 06:23:23 PM
"After around the 22nd bet, you could wait between 10-15 spins PER bet. Ken
Yes I see that. Still....
Thanks again
still waiting for an answer ken
"I just though about time for one progression for example 1 hour , 2 hours ? and what method you think is better and you suggest to use ? skipping two spins or skipping two unhit spins? " >>> A complete progression LOSING is around 3.5 hours BUT dont forget, I'm basing that on how busy your casino is at the time. A dead casino or a busy casino, big difference. As far as which is better? MOST will say 'no difference' and I respect that opinion but I say, waiting for two numbers to always be crossed off is my choice but you need to have the time to invest. Ken
"still waiting for an answer ken" >>> I was in bed, not feeling that well. Can I give a few people a little advice? When you register AGAIN under a new user name, try not to SOUND like your previous self, its a DEAD GIVEAWAY. Thats where a few of you screwed up. I can name another one but I dont feel like stirring the pot but I know I'm right, AS USUAL. You guys are TERRIBLE at being tricky, just awful. :sarcastic: Ken
"if you were to rate this method's effectiveness when compared to all of your other personal methods, how would you rank it out of 10? 10 being a holy grail" >>> Ok, I'll play along. First off, I dont think anyone has a 10 ranking, just my opinion. I do have one 8 and one 7.5 that is not posted, never will be. This method? I'll give it a 5.5 but thats open to interpretation I guess. Ken
Why hold back? Post your best systems!
please
Quote from: keel44 on August 08, 2010, 08:53:46 PM
Why hold back? Post your best systems!
please
it's because he doesn't have any.
MrJ has posted his method many times, why do you think its a mystery, Herb/Kyla?