You should know that all systems are same!There are no good and bad systems.
Every system has an Achilles heel and it is more than enough to make it a loser.
whatever you will be doing with any system you will always in the long run lose close to the -2.7.
I was like you before a couple of years...all the time making systems.
Unfortunarelly it is a full waste of time,because no one can Trap the Randomness.
The Randomness will always find the way to tank all the systems.
And all these because of the advantage of the Simple Maths that is always to the Roulette favour!
You will always have 37 numbers on the wheel and you will always be payed with 35 chips after a win in a sungle number.
Exactly the same is happening with all the bets (Doz.col.Ecs etc)
Try to understand that I am on your side!!! But I am just trying to save your free time
I know 100% that this game is an obsession!
We all think that by finding the consistent winning system we will abandon our day jobs and start being millioners!
Yes it a very nice dream!The best!
But If you are a long time in the forums you will realise that the members that were telling that they had a winning system were LAYING all of them or they thought that they had a winnier but after some more testing spins they were finding out that their system was also a loser like all the other systems!
Roulette is the ONLY Casino game that all the people want to explore it so much!
And this is because there is the number BOARD with the past outcomes!
people think that the past spins can help them to predict according to a system the best betting position!
This is just a Gambling Fallacy!
There are some people that claim that they have a long term winner!
BUT no one has ever posted ONE! why? because it doesn't exist and it can t exist because the Maths can t allow it!
And the 80% of the people that were claiming that they had a winning system thwy were exposed as scams!
2reason for someone to claim he has a winning system
a)sell the system and make money from it!(because they can t make with it money in real)
b)gain a little glory among the members in the forums
Both reasons are SCAMS!!
In all the forums the same story goes on and on for decades!
The Newbies are trying to beat the game(because they don't know that it can t been beaten)
The old members are doing 2 things!
a)they are leaving the forums and the game because they finally realised that it can t been beaten
b)They are staying in the forums because they are addected but they are just there to descrise the newbies systems because they know the hard truth!That Roulette can t been beaten!
Quote from: Jean-Claud on August 15, 2010, 12:33:25 PM
You should know that all systems are same!There are no good and bad systems.
Every system has an Achilles heel and it is more than enough to make it a loser.
whatever you will be doing with any system you will always in the long run lose close to the -2.7.
I was like you before a couple of years...all the time making systems.
Unfortunately it is a full waste of time,because no one can Trap the Randomness.
The Randomness will always find the way to tank all the systems.
Funny thing about you is that you see that everything has an achilles heel yet you don't have a way to deal with it. That is clear. So you interpret the meaning of that after concluding that failure is all anyone can achieve. So now you are recruiting believers in your own scam of failure. You have your convenient crutch, a belief that a 2.7 average is a continuous condition, irregardless of the randomness that you use selectively and conveniently as your primary excuse.
Not only do you not understand randomness but you don't know how it applies to its own nature. Here's some more. All people that sell roulette advice have not been proven to be scammers. I have not been proven to be a scammer. My motive is not monetary gain. It's the way I want the story told. I want a few people to get the casino's money before the great throng of been there to late crowd wrecks it for everyone. But you can't understand that can you. You have invested your experience with gambling in your own story. Your story of failure.
Now pout with your endless drone of pain. That's what you are good at.
You really need to move on.
Quote from: NS on August 15, 2010, 01:30:09 PM
You really need to move on.
I stand behind my awareness of randomness and its characteristics. I don't care if math oriented players need to dismiss it as garbage. They need to move on.
Gizmotron
Just sell ur scaming advice and do not post in this topic..I know it is not a good promotion for ppl to watch this thread but jumping in here will not change anything!
NS
who has to move on?
If Gizmo spent half as much time in the casino with his never lose system as he does on forums bragging about himself like a broken record, he'd be much farther ahead. I thought he said he was leaving for good. Fat chance.
Yeah right, you rip randomness. You clearly have not thought out the implications of your own advice, and now this thread is your very own personal command post. Never mind that you brought it up in a public forum. Yeah, go ahead and blast away with your 2.7 %. That's your nuclear option.
Quote from: Spike! on August 15, 2010, 02:09:20 PM
If Gizmo spent half as much time in the casino with his never lose system as he does on forums bragging about himself like a broken record, he'd be much farther ahead. I thought he said he was leaving for good. Fat chance.
Because of you lightweight, I've decided to expand the probability that the story will come to the light of day. The $500 is to attract only seriouse students. Your $10,000 was just to rip people off. You have nothing but your 72% and your $7 watches. I was your convenient ally. I just fell into your lap. Now go bite some tires.
"People think that the past spins can help them to predict according to a system the best betting position!
This is just a Gambling Fallacy" >>> No different than AP, thats also gamblers fallacy. I think (but could be wrong) there are a couple of method people (I'm one of them) that will NOT post a B+ or A- or A method because......they did MOST of the hard work involved over YEARS, why GIVE IT AWAY? I'm not looking to be begged, I delete those emails FAST. Besides, thats not counting the goofballs that will RIP the method publicly and then go play it. Thats not counting the goofballs that will make some money from it and I dont get a 'thank you'. :blink: Ken
Gizmotrom
If u really had a winning method(by reading randomness as u say) u would be a millioner by now and u wouldn t need from poor ppl 500 $....only a scam would ask money from ppl to tell his method...because when u have one u can make as much money as u like!
Spike
Look who is talking! :lol: The donkey said to the bird that it has a big head!
You 2 are the bigest losers of all times!
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 15, 2010, 02:04:42 PM
I stand behind my awareness of randomness and its characteristics. I don't care if math oriented players need to dismiss it as garbage. They need to move on.
I was addressing the topic starter.
Quote from: Jean-Claud on August 15, 2010, 02:05:25 PM
NS
who has to move on?
You.
Decide either:
1) Systems work. (if you're that much of a noob)
2) Systems don't work, but VB does.
3) Systems and VB don't work.
Pick one, and move on.
Such topics have been posted to death.
VB and Bias Work! If u can find the correct conditions to play.This is my opinion.
do u have a winning long method that doesn t include the phisics of the game? :lol:
"VB and Bias Work! If u can *FIND* the correct conditions to play" >>> I agree with this 100%.
"Systems work. (if you're that much of a noob)" >>> The problem with this statement......NOT all methods work, only a small percent do. Ken
Ok Mr J.
As i can understand from ur post u have a winning system.
May I ask if it needs a Progression or if it is flat?
thanks
NOT trying to be rude but I dont like your wording. Its not a system, its a method. Yes, there is a difference IMO. As far as 'winning'.....its not a HG but does well. So far, I have three losses ($3,400 per) and my NET is VERY high. Have I played 500 million spins at the casino? Of course not. Its a progression. One method is playing ONE number (2 losses) and the other is playing TWO numbers (1 loss). Ken
ok thanks.
Quote from: Mr J on August 15, 2010, 07:06:07 PM
Its not a system, its a method. ... its not a HG but does well.
I love it when they say this.
It's not a system, it's a "method" (cough).
It's not a HG, but it does well. -
Translation: It doesn't make money consistently but it makes money consistently.
Quote from: NS on August 16, 2010, 03:23:44 AM
I love it when they say this.
It's not a system, it's a "method" (cough).
It's not a HG, but it does well. - Translation: It doesn't make money consistently but it makes money consistently.
Watch out Ken. Now that you're a mod, Noble Savage is trying to bait you into getting angry. Don't fall for it, he's not worth it..
No. Whether he's a mod or the president of the world is irrelevant, my opinion is the same. But I'm glad he's a mod, somehow it made him nice.
I'm not a political hypocrite like you are. If it were Gizmo or Mr. Chips or Wendel that said what Ken said, you would have ridiculed it.
I love it when they say this.
It's not a system, it's a "method" (cough).
It's not a HG, but it does well. - Translation: It doesn't make money consistently but it makes money consistently.
I have the same opinion
"Watch out Ken. Now that you're a mod, Noble Savage is trying to bait you into getting angry" >>> Yep, I agree. I posted this would happen, so I'm ready for it. Its a shame I have to be 'ready', but whatever. Ken
"I love it when they say this.
It's not a system, it's a "method" (cough).
It's not a HG, but it does well" >>> I answered this ALREADY but can do so again, is that cool? What I have stated is NOTHING tricky, so I'm unsure why you made a comment? In my *OPINION*, a system implies that you do not lose (or rarely lose), thats MY definition of a system. I'm in the minority calling something a 'method', I think you would agree. Using the term method (IMO) CLEARLY states that a person DOES (or can) lose. I dont see an arguement here, maybe I missed something. Its like you calling AP.....TQ, what the heck do I care what you call it? :sarcastic:
Your other point/question. WHY would I call ANY method a holy grail? Are you WAITING for me to use the term 'holy grail'? If so, you'll be waiting for a long time. I say 'it does well', again, I dont see the controversy? It does do well. Is that bad? What would make you (NS) more comfortable, how would you like me to describe a 'good' method? I don't follow. Ken
It's simple.
Either a system/method wins consistently in the long run, or it doesn't.
If it does win consistently, then it's a "HG", it "works", it "does well", it "makes money", it "beats roulette", it's "better" than other systems, etc.
If it doesn't then it's useless. Period.
AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
"Either a system/method wins consistently in the long run, or it doesn't" >>> Ok NS, you made a statement and your buddy agreed, neat. The issue with your wording is, 'long run'. I THINK we agree that a HG can only be a HG if its still winning after maybe....10 million spins (perhaps less depending on your definition).
Sooo, if I have not played 10 million *LIVE* spins at the casino, how can I answer you OR put a label of HG on a method? I cant. So the NEXT best thing at THIS time is saying that it 'does well'. Its all in the wording and the WHY of the wording. I will NOT count RNG spins as part of the 10 million. You might but I won't. If I had to estimate, I would say I played around 40K spins on one particular method that is 'DOING GREAT' to this point. A HG at 40K spins? No way. Ken
you could win every time you played just by luck.i have not lost in a long time. no system just pick numbers win a couple of hundred and leave. remember one number puts you in front. you have to gamble to make money..
think big. only back single numbers. or splits.
"only back single numbers. or splits" >>> Pretty damn nice, I like the way you think. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 16, 2010, 10:39:03 PM
Sooo, if I have not played 10 million *LIVE* spins at the casino, how can I answer you OR put a label of HG on a method? I cant. So the NEXT best thing at THIS time is saying that it 'does well'. Its all in the wording and the WHY of the wording. I will NOT count RNG spins as part of the 10 million. You might but I won't. If I had to estimate, I would say I played around 40K spins on one particular method that is 'DOING GREAT' to this point. A HG at 40K spins? No way. Ken
Ken,
You obviously are unfamiliar with the concepts of statistical significance, COR (chance of randomness), and the related statistical tests (and seem to delight in your ignorance of such extremely useful tools thanks to that idiotic "mathb0yz sUckz" attitude). You will understand the "long run" better once you grasp those.
Just some quick remarks before I log out:
- 10 million spins are far from being needed.
- 40k spins CAN be quite enough to prove a HG, it all depends on the type of the bet along with the achieved COR.
- Tests of significance are objective, proven (as in 1+1 is proven to equal 2), and can be conducted on flat bets, progressive bets, or anything involving random outcomes. They can't provide a 100% certainty, but they can for example tell you that you have a HG with 99.9999% certainty (I.e. 0.0001% COR).
I ALREADY said 10 million may be too many. 40K spins for a HG? :girl_wacko: Anyone who would agree with you on that is just being bias in your direction. Here is your point NS, as if I dont see it. You WANT me to call something a HG so you can blast it out of the water. No person has or ever will have a HG but like we talked about before....it really depends on your definition. I can't and won't call something a HG after ONLY 40K spins. In the past, I have had a few other methods that kicked serious a** out of the gates.
Sure as heck, lost lost lost lost. (thats called being honest BTW). Has this happened for ALL my methods to this point? No, because we then wouldn't be having this conversation. "You will understand the "long run" better once you grasp those" >>> The only thing I'm grasping these days is my thick wallet but thanks for looking out for me, much appreciated. Ken
Example:
An EC system that, after 40k spins (betting every spin), yields +22 SD; giving a virtually nonexistent COR.
This system is a consistent winner, I.e. a HG.
Your argument is invalid.
PS. When did you quit school? For a native speaker, your writing style is poor and annoying to read. I can't believe I'm trying to explain statistics to you.
You explained it fine for a goofball, good job. 40K spins a HG? I have a pair of Nike shoes older than you. :fie: Ken
Quote from: Mr J link=topic=16767. msg118434#msg118434 date=1282078370
I have a pair of Nike shoes older than you. :fie: Ken
Just because NS is 22 doesn't make what he says invalid. An argument should be considered on its merits, not on personal attributes.
Two facts here.
TRUE, my Nike shoes have nothing to do with anything, I agree but he's still wrong.
You have two posts.......I'll wait till around 130 posts, sorry. Ken
You're doing it again. Listen dipshit, the number of posts I have made has NOTHING to do with my previous statement, got it?
Doing what again? As in a past member here? Ken (no foul language please, for anyone)
I've only made two posts so apparently that makes whatever I have to say worthless?
DON'T FORGET KIDS, THE HIGHER YOUR POSTCOUNT, THE BIGGER YOUR PENIS IS!
Quote from: Mike on August 17, 2010, 06:38:27 PM
I've only made two posts so apparently that makes whatever I have to say worthless?
DON'T FORGET KIDS, THE HIGHER YOUR POSTCOUNT, THE BIGGER YOUR PENIS IS!
;D!!
Is Mike pretending to be Kyla Shooter? :sarcastic: Mike, dont even tell me there's another challenge coming up in Vegas? Ken
No ken... I'm still here.
"Because of you lightweight" >>> Another one? ekoz, 2 posts. :whistle:
Ken,
ekoz is some loser spamming the forum (he posted yesterday under another username, same signature). His posts are not his, he just copy/pastes stuff (like this post is probably something Gizmotron said). The point is to get people to visit the website in his signature and click on the online casino affiliation link there so he makes money.
Just delete his posts until he gets tired and leaves.
I never deleted someones posts but you are right. lol Ok....here we go.... my first! (I think Mike is another one but we'll see). Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 18, 2010, 07:12:52 PM
I never deleted someones posts but you are right. lol Ok....here we go.... my first! (I think Mike is another one but we'll see). Ken
OOOH... A little biased are we?
We'll ask Steve if he thinks I have been bias so far. lol Doesn't it SUCK when you WANT a person to ACT in a certain way so you can 'get him'.....and he doesn't? Sucks, hey DJ? :sarcastic: Ken
Wow ken... I'd expect more from a Global Mod.
Nice try.....keep looking for that bias. This is a GREAT quote......"Doesn't it SUCK when you WANT a person to ACT in a certain way so you can 'get him'.....and he doesn't?" Ken
hey Ken,
As a moderator you are in the " Moderators Union " and are required to fill your daily quota of deleted posts.
When do you start ?
Apparently snowball is a member in good standing because today he deleted 100 % posts at GG. :diablo:
N.D,
Yep, he (or they) are trying to bait me, they really suck at it. If I do some deleting on DJ, then goofball Herb comes back and asks "well, why is that ok Ken? Seems like you are not being consistent". They are terrible at this 'game'. Always stay two steps ahead of the enemy. Ken
Over at GG, Snowjob says I can bash him on 'that thread' (just no foul language), I do so and he....deletes it. :girl_wacko: The guy *CREATES* a thread for me and then deletes the posts. A very odd guy I must admit. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 19, 2010, 06:25:53 PM
Yep, he (or they) are trying to bait me, they really suck at it. If I do some deleting on DJ, then goofball Herb comes back and asks "well, why is that ok Ken? Seems like you are not being consistent". They are terrible at this 'game'. Always stay two steps ahead of the enemy. Ken
lol
Quote from: Mr J on August 19, 2010, 06:16:20 PM
Nice try.....keep looking for that bias. This is a GREAT quote......"Doesn't it SUCK when you WANT a person to ACT in a certain way so you can 'get him'.....and he doesn't?" Ken
I will
Quote from: Mr J on August 19, 2010, 06:25:53 PM
Yep, he (or they) are trying to bait me, they really suck at it. If I do some deleting on DJ, then goofball Herb comes back and asks "well, why is that ok Ken? Seems like you are not being consistent". They are terrible at this 'game'. Always stay two steps ahead of the enemy. Ken
Yeah, it's all about you.
Two of the three are the same goofy. This is in regards to ME, not anyone else......."Doesn't it SUCK when you WANT a person to ACT in a certain way so you can 'get him'.....and he doesn't?" Ken
It says alot about your character DJ. I can understand if someone wants to quit being a mod cause they are busy with other things or bored of it etc., but to quit, just so you can attack others? :nono: Ken