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Title: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 28, 2010, 12:28:48 PM
Steve should really consider this.....Every thread a person starts, YOU are the moderator of that thread. That way, no one can say such-n-such post should not of been deleted. That does not mean you can start any thread and it would be UP TO STEVE, so there is no crying about me (or Bombus) being bias. Example of a thread title that would not fly >> "Billy Bob is a fu***n idiot and his wife is fat" (lol) I think Steve would agree, THAT topic would be a no no. If so-n-so wants to RIP methods apart (as long as the foul language is not present) I say, have fun with it, rip away. *THIS WAY*, no one can ask where did their post go? Seems fair for EVERYONE. I know what will happen. I just posted something fair sooo, it'll get torn apart. lol Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Boo_Ray on August 28, 2010, 12:45:41 PM
not a bad idea but forum would still need some normal global moderators..
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 28, 2010, 12:54:54 PM
Well, kind of. Steve would be in charge of aproving the thread title, foul language is the *ONLY* thing I would want a mod to delete a post, nothing more than that. All opinion posts would stay as is (as long as no foul language). If 30 people want to rip apart methods/progressions, have a blast. Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 28, 2010, 01:31:38 PM
I think quite a few here would NOT like this idea. Why? You'll have to dive into psychology to figure that out. Think about it......why would some NOT like this FAIR idea?  Its a very easy question.  Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Boo_Ray on August 28, 2010, 01:54:50 PM
ken

in the upper  right corner you can pres "modify"post... that would prevent alot of your double or triple post spam
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 28, 2010, 02:06:35 PM
Thats neat, what about the answer to my question?  Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 28, 2010, 02:21:45 PM
Oh I forgot....its the weekend and Steve is not around.  Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Boo_Ray on August 28, 2010, 02:59:47 PM
Oh..
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Boo_Ray on August 28, 2010, 03:00:02 PM
Well...
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Boo_Ray on August 28, 2010, 03:01:42 PM
I almost forgot to answer.. Well I think it is more important to have moderator who is up for a job... but I dont know who might be.. maybe herb would be good mod..
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Boo_Ray on August 28, 2010, 03:03:15 PM
oh yes... its weekend... steve will decide.. wait for monday
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Boo_Ray on August 28, 2010, 03:07:09 PM
oops... did I just doubleposted? sorry for offtopic btw
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: NS on August 28, 2010, 04:04:11 PM
It's been tried before. What happens is that thread starters (e.g. those that think they just got the grail and suddenly know everything) would start deleting basically every post that disagrees with them. What you get is threads with only people that agree with the thread starter (who is just misleading everybody), which means an even more retarded forum.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Nathan Detroit on August 28, 2010, 04:30:06 PM
N.S.

Just as  an example  James Albert Wendell. Nuff said .  :diablo:
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 28, 2010, 06:01:05 PM
Lets try the question again Boo Ray >> "I think quite a few here would NOT like this idea. Why? You'll have to dive into psychology to figure that out. Think about it......why would some NOT like this FAIR idea?  Its a very easy question."
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 28, 2010, 06:08:15 PM
"would start deleting basically every post that disagrees with them" >>> I have no issue with that and dont forget, this rule also benefits YOU, your threads.

"which means an even more retarded forum" >>> Well now hang on, a retarded forum *OR* a forum without arguing (or very little).  You mean to tell me, between those two options, you PREFER how it is now? Just asking. 

Let James start his goofy threads. That does not mean the SAME thread 40 times per day. lol This way, no one will post on his thread and if someone does, he'll most likely delete it. So what? It seems safe to me.  My question I asked in this thread is interesting, we'll see if anyone catches on.  Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 28, 2010, 06:52:03 PM
So what.....? How does that hurt you? What do you think about my question, any comment?  Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: I have cookies on August 28, 2010, 06:54:27 PM

Mr J
There is imbalance in life it self - relations - there is imbalance in nature - forum and so on ...
Calling each other names and argue is just daily up and downs ...

There is does who know wish many would kill for and does who is lost at all times ...
Calibrate and find correlation is the melodi being a mod - same as being a parent ...

Share same space then apply to my all mighty rules or get lost is the tune of voice ... if ... some one use common sense and just lock post wish end up with garbage with does who can not behave ...
Remind and forget and move forward ...

I assume there is a easy task being a good mod for some and difficult task for others ...
One thing i am sure of that let a post starter pin point out who is who and wish stay or get deleted is a bad idea wish original comes from Victor ...

O_o
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: mistarlupo on August 28, 2010, 06:56:13 PM
Quote from: NS on August 28, 2010, 04:04:11 PM
It's been tried before. What happens is that thread starters (e.g. those that think they just got the grail and suddenly know everything) would start deleting basically every post that disagrees with them. What you get is threads with only people that agree with the thread starter (who is just misleading everybody), which means an even more retarded forum.

Agreed. It's been tried once already. Didn't work out well.

P.S. Marv, where the hell did your GILF-avatar go?! I really miss it.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: NS on August 28, 2010, 07:26:24 PM
Quote from: mistarlupo on August 28, 2010, 06:56:13 PM
P.S. Marv, where the hell did your GILF-avatar go?! I really miss it.

hahahahah!

It wasn't a GILF, far from it. :bad:
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: bombus on August 28, 2010, 11:59:59 PM

It's been done before alright.

It failed quicker than bombus in a roulette challenge! lol!

Best way for people to clean up threads is to click on the *report to moderator* button at the bottom right of each post. Anyone can click that button, not just the thread starter. This at least makes mods aware of content that is bothering people. It may not get deleted, but it will get reviewed.

So click the button button clickers! :)
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2010, 01:18:37 AM
"You must have intelligent people - that grasp basic probability- correcting the mistakes that are all too often made by the new system guys" >>> For the sake of NOT arguing, lets say I agree. It does not give a green light to attack someone. If someone posts they have a HG based on betting on red because its a pretty color, WHO CARES? Dont play it, let the poster THINK that betting on red is great. Why put the person down? You get nothing (as far as I know) out of ripping him OR leaving him alone. Post all day long that AP is great....I could careless.  Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Boo_Ray on August 29, 2010, 02:03:04 AM
Quote from: Mr J on August 28, 2010, 06:01:05 PM
Lets try the question again Boo Ray >> "I think quite a few here would NOT like this idea. Why? You'll have to dive into psychology to figure that out. Think about it......why would some NOT like this FAIR idea?  Its a very easy question."

Ask those who would NOT like that FAIR idea... For me it wouldn't be much diferent.. People with bad posting abilities will still spam the forum..

And bombus is right.. that idea is old.. it has been done before... But if you ask me it was still better than now

Quote from: bombus on August 28, 2010, 11:59:59 PM
Best way for people to clean up threads is to click on the *report to moderator* button at the bottom right of each post.

Well that is a poor excuse... If every post reported would be deleted that would be even worse than self moderated threads... and the other problem is that moderators here don't have any idea how to be moderator and they should have taken some sort of school how to post first (specialy Mr J - who is unable to use "quote" and "modify" function and in other situations he is able to use "delete" function).. to have moderators like that it is just SAD.. very say .... So how would they be able to judge what should or what should not be deleted...
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: bombus on August 29, 2010, 03:01:39 AM
Quote from: Boo_Ray on August 29, 2010, 02:03:04 AM

Well that is a poor excuse... If every post reported would be deleted that would be even worse than self moderated threads... and the other problem is that moderators here don't have any idea how to be moderator and they should have taken some sort of school how to post first (specialy Mr J - who is unable to use "quote" and "modify" function and in other situations he is able to use "delete" function).. to have moderators like that it is just SAD.. very say .... So how would they be able to judge what should or what should not be deleted...

The point is if you don't like what you see, report it.

If mods choose not to delete or modify the reported post, then you just have to get over it and move on... simple. :)
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Boo_Ray on August 29, 2010, 04:06:40 AM
 :no:
Quote from: bombus on August 29, 2010, 03:01:39 AM
The point is if you don't like what you see, report it.

If mods choose not to delete or modify the reported post, then you just have to get over it and move on... simple. :)

so why are we talking about new ideas if you should just get over it that someone constantly spams the board and things like that.. Point is that I dont like to see double posts just because someone remembered to write something more that he forgot in answer before (but if I report it it would be wierd if second post would be deleted).. Even kids in kindergarden know how to post on forum but here we have a mod who doesnt.. Isnt that alarming that mod doesnt even know the basics .. It is like policeman who doesn't know how to drive a car..   
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2010, 10:52:11 AM
"how to post on forum but here we have a mod who doesn't" >>> I have zero issues regarding posting. How to post, when to post, why to post, why to delete a post etc. Zero problems. If you dont agree with this statement, thats tough now isn't it?  Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2010, 11:25:48 AM
Back to my question (or opinion). I think 'certain' people here would not like my idea of self moderating because they would NOT be able to argue all that much. Thats my HONEST opinion. There are around 9 posters here that love to argue. Take this option away from them and they would be bored silly. Think about it..... If I had a thread that you posted on in a rotten manner, I delete your post and NO arguing.

If you had a thread regarding AP is great blah blah blah or Methods Suck etc., why would I post on that thread? It would only be deleted. Same result, no arguing. I find it odd that the people that are against my idea the MOST, just so happen to argue quite a bit. This is a coincidence? Hell no its not. They dont want that POWER of arguing taken away from them. Another question.....At Victors site, they self moderate and have little or no insulting. Another coincidence? Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: WannaWin on August 29, 2010, 12:53:40 PM
Quotethey self moderate and have little or no insulting

But it gets more dumb each day.

There after number 27 hits it comes black. And I am not inventing it: nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/roulette-is-not-that-random/ (nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/roulette-is-not-that-random/)

Why these posts are not deleted? Lack of moderation I say.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2010, 01:17:27 PM
I agree its a goofy thread but dont respond to it. If I post a method that you think is STUPID and will never show a profit.......dont respond to it.  Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: mistarlupo on August 29, 2010, 02:41:34 PM
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/thread-starter-to-be-able-to-delete-posts/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/thread-starter-to-be-able-to-delete-posts/)
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Nathan Detroit on August 29, 2010, 03:30:01 PM
 :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:  fallacy  hell . :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: NS on August 29, 2010, 04:01:08 PM
Quote from: WannaWin on August 29, 2010, 12:53:40 PM
There after number 27 hits it comes black. And I am not inventing it: nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/roulette-is-not-that-random/ (nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/roulette-is-not-that-random/)

That thread is pretty newbish. ::)

That whole forum is more of a noobfest, and no one with true genuine facts about roulette can post there because it would get deleted. They don't want to know the truth, only lie to themselves and mislead others.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Number Six on August 29, 2010, 05:05:57 PM
Oh wow, do people really believe this stuff? I can't get over it.

More Numeris Tit-Anus scam nonsense. In fact, I have to agree with Advantage's Nob - the site is already been run by the old scammers that jumped ship when Steve took over - Thomas Grant et al. Good luck to 'em, I say. God knows they need it.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: NS on August 29, 2010, 05:12:37 PM
Quote from: Number Six on August 29, 2010, 05:05:57 PM
More Numeris Tit-Anus

I lol'd. :lol:
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: medo on August 29, 2010, 05:30:36 PM
Quote from: WannaWin on August 29, 2010, 12:53:40 PM
But it gets more dumb each day.

There after number 27 hits it comes black. And I am not inventing it: nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/roulette-is-not-that-random/ (nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/roulette-is-not-that-random/)

Why these posts are not deleted? Lack of moderation I say.

And why these posts should be deleted??????Not because black should come after 27............
but because in another thread the same person says;----After 3,9,12,18,21,27,30,36 spuns,always bet red.
What a freak.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2010, 05:33:49 PM
"You have no business being a moderator" >>> Dont be jealous now. Still non-bias and you hate it.  :sarcastic: Victors site, trash? I'll interpret that....around HERE, trash means you dont agree with a method or methods and thats fine. Thats what you mean by 'trash'. I said before (how fast we forget) if someone has a method that only bets on even numbers but only followed by an odd number, SO WHAT? Let them post it, why insult the person? You stick to your AP gamblers fallacy, what do I care? *MOST* of the people even in this discussion dont play anyways BUT hey, its something to do to kill time, post and argue. Must be nice to have that kind of free time on your hands. @mistarlupo >> I looked at the link, what am I suppose to take note of?  Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2010, 05:35:52 PM
"And why these posts should be deleted? Not because black should come after 27............
but because in another thread the same person says;----After 3,9,12,18,21,27,30,36 spuns,always bet red" >>> So what? Dont respond to it if it bothers you that much.  Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: medo on August 29, 2010, 05:42:39 PM
Quote from: Mr J on August 29, 2010, 05:35:52 PM
"And why these posts should be deleted? Not because black should come after 27............
but because in another thread the same person says;----After 3,9,12,18,21,27,30,36 spuns,always bet red" >>> So what? Dont respond to it if it bothers you that much.  Ken

Who says it bothers me.....just shows me who is who here.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: mistarlupo on August 29, 2010, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: Mr J on August 29, 2010, 05:33:49 PM@mistarlupo >> I looked at the link, what am I suppose to take note of?  Ken

That your idea does not have enough support.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Steve on August 29, 2010, 06:55:10 PM
It is an idea worth a try, but as it's been pointed out, it has already been tried and didnt do well.

The focus for moderation is as was also pointed out, members to report posts. Also removal of people who just cause trouble. It only takes ONE person to bring down a forum.

And also as was highlighted, a lot of members who create trouble apparently arent consistently troublemakers, ie behavior not quite bad enough to merit banning. So what to do? If someone is constantly creating trouble, even if they are contributing here and there, they may overall be bringing down the forum. I can warn such people, but they tend not to listen.

So the solution I feel is ultimately:

1. If members cant learn to just get along with others, even if they dont like them, then they'll be banned if they continue to attack personally. It is really not hard to co-exist with people you have a problem with. Members should know they are free to speak their mind, but when it becomes personal attacks and just constant sh*t stirring, that is trolling. I dont care if the attacker has a valid point - they should state their case, then get on with it. Not everyone is going to get along, but not getting along is different from existing to stir sh*t. If banning people results in them coming back under fake names, they'll get the same result - davey you are in this position, and really I should have banned you again for many reasons, so understand the position you are in. Threatening to bring hell upon me doesnt help - davey I have enough "friends" and it wont make a difference.

2. Members need to be more active in reporting posts, and from that I can see who the troublemakers are, and who is just trying to fend them off and get on with things.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Steve on August 29, 2010, 07:03:30 PM
On the note of banning people, if you are someone who gets banned, you would know why. Understand this: I dont give a crap about threats or revenge attacks like people such as charles did. It is petty and pathetic. If you are banned, it is because in my view, overall you are degrading the forum. If you are not happy with that decision, live with it - it's just a forum, and you would know you are stirring sh*t. If you just use the forum for its intended purpose, say what you want and dont make it personal, and therefore an unpleasant place, then you wont be banned. The problem is many people have the ind of personality that wants to get under peoples skin
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 29, 2010, 10:06:48 PM
I actually want to see more AP threads, you heard me. lol I won't respond to them but I would like to see more participation FROM the other AP guys. Use some of that energy you have on method threads and use that for some AP threads, have fun. Funny question for you Steve.....when you are about to get back on the site after a weekend, I bet you are thinking, "what kind of bulls**t went on again"!? lol Am I right?  Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Steve on August 30, 2010, 12:47:02 AM
QuoteFunny question for you Steve.....when you are about to get back on the site after a weekend, I bet you are thinking, "what kind of bulls**t went on again"!? lol Am I right?

lol yeah pretty much. I used to care about some of the stuff that went on because people took advantage of me not being around (like organized attacks against me), but now I just dont care. Especially all the recent stuff happening here between various members is just a silly waste of time.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 30, 2010, 12:50:23 AM
You should thank me. Since I became a mod, the focus of attacks is on me, not you.  ;D  Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Boo_Ray on August 30, 2010, 02:55:42 AM
Quote from: Steve on August 29, 2010, 07:03:30 PM
On the note of banning people, if you are someone who gets banned, you would know why. Understand this: I dont give a stuff about threats or revenge attacks like people such as charles did. It is petty and pathetic. If you are banned, it is because in my view, overall you are degrading the forum. If you are not happy with that decision, live with it - it's just a forum, and you would know you are stirring sh*t. If you just use the forum for its intended purpose, say what you want and dont make it personal, and therefore an unpleasant place, then you wont be banned. The problem is many people have the ind of personality that wants to get under peoples skin

That is just great! banning people who cause trouble and conversations not related to roulette... Finaly something good... Does that includes advertising, doubleposting and offtopic spaming? I guess NO.. Because everything started due to that... Remember? if not.. go back scroll a few pages back and also read the other threads... You expect us to change? but you and Mr J (take that as personal attack if you want) will continue to spam the board with adverts and Mr J with completely offtopic spam and disability to use forum... It is nice that you are creating forum for system sellers... The truth is that you will then just ban people who will tell you the truth like I did, but the point is that I was speaking for the normal users on this forum and trying to make this forum as it was not some kind of marketing comunity... But I guess you guys just don't get it because you guys (Steve and Mr J) take it as "personal attack" instead of looking what is wrong...  Now go back read thru some thread and answer me DID I STARTED ANYTHING OUT OF NOTHING?? USE SOME OF YOUR BRAINS if you can...
In fact you Steve started to attack me and telling me how unexperienced I am and how I don't have any knowledge when I came out with some truth and logical questions which you never answered..  Now you are whining abount "personal attacks" how someone will be banned for "personal attacks"... If I am about to sell s hit to other members and talking nonsense and braging about how super awsemoe I am (that is not just talking about you but some others to) I think it is normal that you get attacked... But instead of removing the source of the problem it is better to get rid of attackers.... SURE THE WAY TO GO Steve...I JUST BECAME YOUR NR1 FAN.. YOU ARE GENIUS!!!AWESOME IDEA!!!  Now I am going to make some T-shirts to wear because you are just breaking history, you are the one who invented that super concept how to make forum a better place!

If anyone else except Mr J, steve or gizmo disagrees with me.. Make us know
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Steve on August 30, 2010, 03:43:40 AM
Ray, you seem to always have something to complain about, and tend to have mixed-up logic.

The part of my text you quoted can be summarized as follows:

1. Dont threaten me

2. If you are banned, it is because in my view, you are degrading the forum. See the forum rules. Is it really unreasonable to ask things to be constructive in what you say? That's what you seem to be saying.

3. If you are a sh*t stirrer, you will be banned. There is a big difference between legitimate opposing viewpoints, and plain sh*t stirring with personal attacks. You as an adult would know the difference - I'm not an idiot.

I suppose you think personal attacks should be allowed? I suppose you think everyone should be allowed to attack each other without reasonable cause? I suppose you think I should do nothing about it? The fact is without moderation of both posts and banning repeat offenders who troll or disrupt a forum's progress, any forum will turn into an immature bickering match.

Can you agree to disagree and be civil to people? I can, and I do it all the time. I dont lose sleep over it. If I was a member reading all this, I would think "no problems he wants to keep the forum free of bickering, so it's a friendly and productive forum".... DONT MAKE THINGS ANY MORE COMPLICATED THAN THEY ARE.

Like I said many times, it is fine and normal to disagree with someone. But when people have fake names / secondary accounts, constantly attack and aggravate people just because they disagree with them and so on, that is not acceptable. Is it too much to ask people to be constructive? Should I let it go on? You seem to think so.

Now to address your text:

1. Banning people has nothing to do with disagreements.

2. Spamming is not tolerated. It is fine to post something off-topic once in a while as long as isnt spam, or interrupts a thread beyond reason.

3. Where do you see me spamming? There are ads on the forum because I own it. Why on earth would I need to spam?

4. Nonsense I'll ban people than say what they think is the truth. I disagree with people all the time, but it doesn't mean I ban them. Ken is one of the people who is against AP and we disagree about it strongly, but it makes ZERO difference. My decision to make him a mod is based solely on the facts that he is here often, and that I believe he will be able to enforce the basic rules which exist to benefit the forum.

5. Me saying you are inexperienced is my opinion, and I believe it to be true. So you believe I'm a scammer - whoopie. So we disagree.And it means what?

6. What questions didnt I answer? I probably didnt even see them. Dont assume I read every single post. the only sure way to get any answer is to ask me directly - best via email or at least PM.

7. Sure if you are selling something, you can expect to be attacked. But the only kind of attacks that are permitted are constructive questions and points, not "oh you scamming dog".

8. Leave the T-shirt idea alone. I'm trademarked.

On the whole Ray, if you dont like the idea of basic moderation, just post elsewhere. This is a forum to discuss roulette. You do not live here. I will enforce the basic rules because they keep the forum productive. Read the rules. You tell me what is so wrong with them. if you agree with them, but just think they are not being enforced correctly, then be specific about your complaint - i mean give precise details, not a vague complaint. Then if there is a problem, it will be addressed. There is no big drama here so dont make it out to be one.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Boo_Ray on August 30, 2010, 04:38:47 AM
Finaly I must say that I agree on most of these... My previous post was made because I had a fealing that banning people was very much directed to me....

Quote from: Steve on August 30, 2010, 03:43:40 AM
Ray, you seem to always have something to complain about, and tend to have mixed-up logic.

2. Spamming is not tolerated. It is fine to post something off-topic once in a while as long as isnt spam, or interrupts a thread beyond reason.

3. Where do you see me spamming? There are ads on the forum because I own it. Why on earth would I need to spam?


My logic is not so mixed-up as you think... Maybe it is better to say that you have "diferent" logic than me so maybe you dont understeand some of my posts..

2. I would like to alert that Mr J is spamming the board with mostly offstopic posts.. 50% or more of his posts are offtopic or he is quoting the offtopic part of posts then triggering offtopic conversation... And he is officialy unable to press "modify" or "quote" button.. quoteing is not such a problem... But he should learn to use "modify" instead of double or triplepost because he forgot to write something before.. These were issues that I once put them out in nice and polite way but if he doesn't get it I have to somehow explain that to him...

3. After my last conflict with you I don't see you spamming anymore and I told you that part wasn't directed on you.. With that I was mostly aiming for mr Js offtopic spam and his overall spam, just because he has to write something..because he must have atleast 5 replyes in every post... and mostly 2  following his own post.. and ofcourse some braggers like gizmo and alabalaha or something who came up with some ideas about beating the random... then selling some already well known crap... and I adressed that problem because you are looking at me like I have mixed up logic..

My idea here is that NO selling is allowed... Either PUT UP OR SHUT UP... you have your adds if you want and you also have a whole website about your sys and comps... but nothing inside the forum should be about selling and leading to that part.. because people get scammed! Someone came up with idea that he has winning system but he wont tell because it would crash the game of roulette.. casinos will never have roulettes... everyone knows that is not reality and ofcourse he must be full of shit just because he wants to sell something... So eliminate people like that and arguing will be stoped and forum will be more productive...

And just one more thing... I never created any second accounts or fake names.. Because I am not affraid to speak in my own name...

Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 30, 2010, 07:01:26 AM
"I would like to alert that Mr J is spamming the board with mostly offstopic posts.. 50% or more of his posts are offtopic or he is quoting the offtopic part of posts then triggering offtopic conversation" >>> This I STILL dont understand. Lets say I quote something and have a question about it or my opinion etc.

If I am doing this on the SAME thread as the person I am quoting and have a RIGHT to ask something, your definition of 'spamming' and 'off topic' is CRAZY. Also, 'triggering' conversation?? lol To be consistent, wouldn't that person responding to me ALSO be off topic? Can I get an example or two of this infraction on my part Boo Ray?

Steve touched on it and so did I in the last 48 hours......the reason you dont like Steves tougher rules and my idea of self moderating is because it takes away your ABILITY to argue! There are maybe 7 posters here that would be LOST if they could not slam others. Think of all the extra free time they would have.  Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: mistarlupo on August 30, 2010, 07:32:39 AM
Truth is born of arguments.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: bombus on August 30, 2010, 08:59:51 AM
Quote from: mistarlupo on August 30, 2010, 07:32:39 AM
Truth is born of arguments.

Touché.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Steve on August 30, 2010, 09:14:01 AM
I have a lovely bunch of coconuts. if anyone wants to complain about anything, you need to be specific. I mean give actual posts and full details. It doesn't help to say this person did or that.

Obvious scammers/spammers are banned. For example, freaks like ceh. Let's use gizmo as an example. I dont know him or anything about him. Do I think he's a scammer? I have no idea. I really dont know anything about him. It is wrong to assume, but history tells us if we assume a seller is a scammer, we're ALMOST always correct. Statistically, he would be a scammer (system seller), but there are exceptions. Rather than censor something potentially legit, in my view it's better for the forum to hear both sides, and decide for themselves as adults. If it becomes nuisance selling and spam, then of course it wont be tolerated, but members need to REPORT IT. Moderators cant read everything, so we rely on member reporting.

Another example is alabalah - I gave him the chance, despite all the red flags. He turned out to be more trash - 100% scammer, who now spams RF under fake names (probably more for revenge). It passed the point where it was "beyond reasonable doubt" then it got even clearer. Really though he shouldnt have lasted as long as he did,

There needs to be balance between free speech (which is what a forum needs),  protecting members from scams, and allowing the rare exception sellers to bring things to member attention (very low priority though). Either way the forum rules are made public, and it's not hard to enforce them although lines do need to be clearer
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 30, 2010, 11:31:24 AM
"Truth is born of arguments" >>> This is interesting, its kind of phase 2 of agreeing with me. >> "Well Ken, YES we argue but its needed....."


"Another example is alabalah" >>> I called that one.  :thumbsup: I wonder what my percent is for guessing correctly? (and I do mean guessing EARLY) Combining past guesses with POSSIBLE future guesses of being correct? I bet its around 90%......10% wrong.  Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Boo_Ray on August 30, 2010, 11:42:27 AM
I have to agree with steve here


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Mr J I was trying to tell you step by spet thru the posts... and I gave you million examples and I will give you another one... Fist lets learn the basics: "modify" and "quote" function...

Okey here is example 1

Look where you just made 2 posts following each other
here
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.shrani.si%2Ft%2F2k%2FGi%2FTtyysaE%2Fmrj1.jpg&hash=9686289301653f9d4f3807dd18f592bd64591d12) (nolinks://nolinks.shrani.si/?2k/Gi/TtyysaE/mrj1.jpg)
and here
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.shrani.si%2Ft%2F20%2FlA%2F1qbpgDQc%2Fmrj2.jpg&hash=d60438288e177b799ac517c7344a214035884e0f) (nolinks://nolinks.shrani.si/?20/lA/1qbpgDQc/mrj2.jpg)
and here
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.shrani.si%2Ft%2F28%2FNL%2FYl5kKxJ%2Fmrj3.jpg&hash=bbddc3879a64da353966a9c068cddc5d9d807633) (nolinks://nolinks.shrani.si/?28/NL/Yl5kKxJ/mrj3.jpg)
and here
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.shrani.si%2Ft%2F3w%2FiX%2F4m1thA2%2Fmrj4.jpg&hash=9befd9e674a48e05229b3c7253e50e58b2f4ec88) (nolinks://nolinks.shrani.si/?3w/iX/4m1thA2/mrj4.jpg)
These are 4 exaples in first 2pages of this topic.... Do you wan't more?
Here it is a solution for your problem.... Introducing the magic "modify" button!
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.shrani.si%2Ft%2F2A%2Fh8%2F4HINZhxZ%2Fsolution.jpg&hash=f464fff5b947a55edcee0744024bdc4e889df4b0) (nolinks://nolinks.shrani.si/?2A/h8/4HINZhxZ/solution.jpg)
When you master that option lets move on to "quote" button..
With that button you wouldn't be spotted by 500km radius that you are a typical GG user and you will in fact look like average VLSroulette.com member..
here you press it...
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.shrani.si%2Ft%2Ft%2F79%2F13nsImFh%2F1%2Fquotepress.jpg&hash=957259cb9625da7ad1e9efa9bd5c43facdb1916b) (nolinks://nolinks.shrani.si/?t/79/13nsImFh/1/quotepress.jpg)
Then you get text like these and everything between those "quote" tags will be quoted
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.shrani.si%2Ft%2F3K%2Fil%2F26AhkqoT%2Fquoteinterface.jpg&hash=dec1666f888ea10b2acfb07afbcdd65b4dfb7fac) (nolinks://nolinks.shrani.si/?3K/il/26AhkqoT/quoteinterface.jpg)
And WOILAAA
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.shrani.si%2Ft%2FF%2F1U%2F4fld78os%2F1%2Fquoteoutcome.jpg&hash=808623efcc9a67c858e62425323c75460335a2f9) (nolinks://nolinks.shrani.si/?F/1U/4fld78os/1/quoteoutcome.jpg)

Okay I am done... here is something for you to learn... When you absolutely master these tehniques we will go for the next step.. Staying ONtopic.. which is esential for not to go offtopic and messing up the tread... But these two are a little harder to explain and in fact there is no foolproof method around, if I can't help you then it is not completely on me...

regards
ray
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 30, 2010, 12:18:27 PM
If somebody needs to stay on topic, its you. I did NOT say I dont know how to use the quote function, I choose not to. I dont have to use it, correct? Same thing with modify. Where did I say.....hey Boo Ray, can you teach me how to use a couple of the functions? When did I ask for your help, I must of missed that. Sooo, back to square ONE >>>

"I would like to alert that Mr J is spamming the board with mostly offstopic posts.. 50% or more of his posts are offtopic or he is quoting the offtopic part of posts then triggering offtopic conversation" >>> This I STILL dont understand. Lets say I quote something and have a question about it or my opinion etc.

If I am doing this on the SAME thread as the person I am quoting and have a RIGHT to ask something, your definition of 'spamming' and 'off topic' is CRAZY. Also, 'triggering' conversation?? lol To be consistent, wouldn't that person responding to me ALSO be off topic? Can I get an example or two of this infraction on my part Boo Ray? Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: NS on August 30, 2010, 03:51:36 PM
hahahah

BooRay, thanks for the forum posting lesson to Mr J, he sure needs it. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 30, 2010, 04:24:37 PM
Lets try this again hotshot. If I want to quote someone like this >> "   "   That is MY choice, not Boo Rays choice, correct? I'm not asking you regarding 'forum features' nor do I care to ask you. So now that you cant ARGUE as much as you want, you shift gears to 'forum features'? lol Is there anything in your head at all regarding roulette?
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 30, 2010, 04:37:22 PM
Ok, I looked at reply 2 and 3 (I cant believe I'm wasting my time doing this). 35 minutes APART, a different thought LATER on the subject so I added a post, so what? Boo Ray, this is what you spend your time on? This is your NEW crusade against me? Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Boo_Ray on August 30, 2010, 05:30:27 PM
AND AGAIN YOU DOUBLEPOST and that quoting... You are hopeless realy... And it is 10minutes apart... OMG you should see a doctor realy
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: NS on August 30, 2010, 05:32:24 PM
This is funny. ;D
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 30, 2010, 06:09:30 PM
Ummm, ok....hopeless etc. Thats neat, are we done or does this continue? You know where my moneys at.  :sarcastic: I said it before (oh oh, a double post) if you take away your arguing AND disruptive posts, you dont have much left. Start some threads about AP or something. Start a thread about how you did recently playing, do some double posting guys, get crazy. And I'm hopeless.  :ok:

Let me clue you in. I'm gonna be on these boards not for years but most likely decades, so get use to me. I'll still be posting *LONG AFTER* you have given up on roulette. Your names won't even be remembered, just a past memory of the man you could of been.  I have seen many guys like you in the PAST, eventually they leave. You guys like a good challenge, so I hear. lol I have one for you. Lets see who lasts the longest. Stuff that in your stockin. Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: NS on August 30, 2010, 07:01:10 PM
Relax Ken, have a piece of cheese!
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Davey-Jones on August 30, 2010, 07:14:48 PM
We are younger... So I think we will outlast/live you.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Steve on August 30, 2010, 07:48:39 PM
I know ken tends to make another post rather than modify. Ken, please try not to do this. But really it is not such a big deal - not worth kicking a stink up over.

Ken's preference to not use the quote feature is his choice. Although ken, be aware to get your points accross more effectively, using the quote features is probably best. Nobody can force you though.

As for Ken's off-topic posting, you'd need to give actual examples, Boo-ray.

Ray, you said

Quote"And ofcourse you don't use modify and quote function because you are too retarded".

That's NOT acceptable. You can get points across without getting personal. I've removed your post with that comment. If you continue to get personal, dont expect your account to remain active. It is nothing personal for me, understand my position.

From what I see there are just a few hot-heads who type before thinking. Learn to accept you are not going to get along with everyone, and I'm getting very tired of the cr*p and it's just easier to remove people that are causing trouble. Please just watch what you say or expect to be banned.
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Mr J on August 31, 2010, 12:33:31 AM
The thing is, lets just move on!   Ken
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Boo_Ray on August 31, 2010, 02:54:55 AM
Quote from: Steve on August 30, 2010, 07:48:39 PM
That's NOT acceptable.

O.K and kens spamming is acceptible, thanks for clearing that up... Good job :give_rose:
It is just a shame what kind of mod we have here here on the forum... and ofcourse suported by admin who is tired of that cr*p...

Quote from: Steve on August 30, 2010, 07:48:39 PM
and I'm getting very tired of the cr*p and it's just easier to remove people that are causing trouble. Please just watch what you say or expect to be banned.
yes ofcourse it is me who goes offtopic very quickly and don't know how to post...

Quote from: Steve on August 30, 2010, 07:48:39 PM
Please just watch what you say or expect to be banned.

Yes ban is a solution... for how long? 10minutes? :thumbsup:
I thought you said in some of your previous post that you don't wan't people to create new accounts with fake names... with banning you are forcing people to do that..

Quote from: Steve on August 30, 2010, 07:48:39 PM
Please just watch what you say

Yes I in fact do watch what I say... but if something is true it can't be said in any other words... If you fail to see how he behaves, then either you are tricked by his asskissing or you don't spend enough time to wach his posts and spend too much time looking other posts which can also be a result of his posts...

Quote from: Steve on August 30, 2010, 07:48:39 PM
From what I see there are just a few hot-heads who type before thinking.

yes.. not just me... also mods who moderate this forum  :pleasantry: who think they have met God... just because they know how to make 50 or 100 step progression, then they call themselves progre$$ion Lunatic just because they are so awesome.. That behavior (and GG personality) is reflected in every post... but for some on that level it is hard to spot.. And then it is someone elses fault for all the trouble...

I dont know if calling someone being blind(even when you don't mean literaly) is personal attack, so I will say: "Please open your eyes" it is not "just me" who is causing trouble, I have a reason for this madness...
Title: Re: Kens idea
Post by: Steve on August 31, 2010, 03:21:35 AM
Ken's double posting is not comparable to your abusive language. There is no rule to forbid making another post instead of just editing a previous post. But there is a rule for abusive language.

QuoteI thought you said in some of your previous post that you don't wan't people to create new accounts with fake names... with banning you are forcing people to do that..

Nonsense. People are banned for a reason. You are saying if people break the rules and are banned, that I'm forcing them to come back and be a nuisance rather than them accepting responsibility for breaking the rules. wtf??

Ken sometimes antagonizes, but from what I see, not more than you do so you arent in position to make this claim against ken. He has been much better behaved since becoming mod, but he's also been attacked quite a bit, but kept relatively cool. You cant expect to attack someone, and for them to not push back at least a little.

Ray, why dont we just get on with things - discuss roulette. If you have a problem with anything, report it and be very specific or I wont do anything about it, because I dont have time or will to sift through all information to find details of what is normally a petty argument between members.