Seriously, if you guys are thinking of making money. Investing in forex or property or any other business would be a better choice then playing a negative expectation game. That said, why choose Roulette?
Im sure, most of you play just for the fun of it. There are people who legitimately want to make money from Roulette. Though there indeed are some ways. Wheel analysis, visual ballistics and systems where you can make a hefty profit from a lucky streak, the casino is a very VERY tough advesary. You are better off playing stocks.
So what is about Roulette?
Why not do both stocks and roulette ? I use partly the same bankroll for roulette as for stocks, that is the daytrading bankroll which is also a roulette bank roll. The long term investments stays where they are and is only being supplied or reduced when something is overbought or oversold. Otherwise it stays.
Good question, I agree with you. The people here wasting their time with gambling systems are better off studying the markets.
Personally, I'd take forex (I don't do stocks) over roulette anytime. I currently do both, forex and roulette advantage play, I prioritize forex though because there aren't many casino where I currently live, which means less AP opportunities.
Trading has the advantage of not having to worry about pit bosses watching you and casinos banning you for collecting numbers or being a wheelwatcher who actually wins, there's also no max table limits (theoretically).
Both games are hard work though if you intend to make money consistently. You gotta know what you're doing and be ahead of other participants.
Kelly,
An excellent approach. Combined bankroll for roulette as well as trading and keeping the long term investment safe but under constant review. :ok:
I am neither trading in forex nor day trading but I am well invested in the market . Casino wininngs with a separate bankroll make up for some currently reduced stock dividends.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
I have for a long time been positioned (in the long term invests) so i would have made most money if the market dropped so the long term was for 3 months only paying marginal since it kept rising way past that point where i ran out of stocks to sell that were accumulated in 2009, but the last couple of weeks has made me reach my goal for the year (long term) because of some combos of bonds and ETFs. The day trading is only when i have the time or is not using it playing roulette.
If you can do a bit of money in your business, in the stock market, at the roulette table and buying small stakes in small rocketing companys (high risk invest) have a good family at home, what can one ask for more.
Here would Ken jump in and say something about having an asian chick on the side..........
Quote from: RouletteFanatic on August 31, 2010, 02:49:27 PMSeriously, if you guys are thinking of making money. Investing in forex or property or any other business would be a better choice then playing a negative expectation game. That said, why choose Roulette?
Why do you think
ANY business would be a better choice?
-2.7% might look not so bad compared to many other businesses.
Why roulette? I like how other players at the table can not affect my play, win or lose. Other than Keno, roulette is up there as the BEST payout (35-1). Most people know that a good method is the ONLY way you will beat this game, thats quite obvious. I would be an AP (cough) fan if it was 1931 but its not 1931. You have to change with the times and the time NOW is a decent, well tested method. A large BR does not hurt. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 31, 2010, 06:56:12 PM
roulette is up there as the BEST payout (35-1).
Wrong. Baccarat has a better payout because of a lower house edge. And systems, or what you call "methods" (cough), cannot make consistent profits at roulette, stop lying to people.
"cannot make consistent profits at roulette" >>> lol, not true and you know it. Why continue with your BS?
"Wrong. Baccarat has a better payout because" >>> I said 'up there', I did not say thee. Thats the difference between you and me, I watch my wording, you dont. Also, for the record, what is the highest payout bacc. has? Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 31, 2010, 08:11:51 PM
lol, not true and you know it. Why continue with your BS?
Huh? You're the one claiming the impossible not me.
Quote from: Mr J on August 31, 2010, 08:11:51 PM
I said 'up there', I did not say thee. Thats the difference between you and me, I watch my wording, you dont.
You said "roulette is up there
as the BEST payout". English isn't my native language but that sure sounds to me like saying "roulette has the best payout", and not "roulette is up there among the BEST payouts".
Oh well.
Quote from: Mr J on August 31, 2010, 08:11:51 PM
Also, for the record, what is the highest payout bacc. has? Ken
nolinks://justf**kinggoogleit.com/ (nolinks://justf**kinggoogleit.com/)
'Up there' means just that. Its like saying, Larry Bird is 'up there' with the best NBA players in history. A decent method is the ONLY way to beat roulette, most know this already. Some are still traveling around their country, 800 miles or so, searching for a ......'slight tilt'. :sarcastic: Ken
The edge you get from roulette (when played correctly) is far greater than something like blackjack. So why bother with blackjack? Well if you can find ideal conditions, it may be more straight-forward, but so time consuming and even then the edge is not that great.
The downsides of roulette are things like there is more to learn, things can go wrong which mean you avoid correct sectors instead of targeting. All up, roulette is by far the best. Poker is also a good option - it's more about playing your opponents than the game itself.
Quote from: Mr J on August 31, 2010, 08:28:55 PM
'Up there' means just that. Its like saying, Larry Bird is 'up there' with the best NBA players in history.
But you didn't say that, you said "Larry Bird is 'up there' AS the best NBA player in history."
Also, I think what you meant is the
highest payout, not the best payout. There's a difference.
Who needs to watch his wording? :D
Quote from: Mr J on August 31, 2010, 08:28:55 PM
A decent method is the ONLY way to beat roulette
Only if it targets the device with enough effectiveness to increase the accuracy enough to overcome the house edge.
Quote from: Mr J on August 31, 2010, 08:28:55 PMSome are still traveling around their country, 800 miles or so, searching for a ......'slight tilt'. :sarcastic: Ken
In Ken's world of blind assumptions, roulette wheels are perfect and embody the mathematical model of the game to perfection. :angel:
Quote from: Steve on August 31, 2010, 08:35:07 PM
The edge you get from roulette (when played correctly) is far greater than something like blackjack. So why bother with blackjack? Well if you can find ideal conditions, it may be more straight-forward, but so time consuming and even then the edge is not that great.
The downsides of roulette are things like there is more to learn, things can go wrong which mean you avoid correct sectors instead of targeting. All up, roulette is by far the best. Poker is also a good option - it's more about playing your opponents than the game itself.
Agreed.
Very true Steve. I did not say to NS that you will win everytime you play. I said 35:1 is damn high and I'm NOT SURE if anything is higher? The best or highest, does NOT mean a person will win.
Baccarat Payouts
There is no getting confused with payouts in baccarat, as they are among the most straightforward in the industry.
If the banco wins, payouts are 1:1
If the punto wins, payouts are 1:1
If the banco and the punto tie, payouts are 8:1 <<< Unless I'm missing something, I see nothing OVER 35:1. Ken
Voilà, you meant the highest payout, not the "best". I see your point then.
"But you didn't say that, you said "Larry Bird is 'up there' AS the best NBA player in history." >>> Nope, re-read what I said. I said, WITH THE BEST. Not AS the best, big difference.
"Only if it targets the device with enough effectiveness to increase the accuracy enough to overcome the house edge" >>> Nope, incorrect as usual. A decent method combined with a decent bet selection combined with lots of testing & tweaking combined with a decent BR. That is the *ONLY* way to beat roulette. This is common knowledge. Its much more efficient than driving 800 miles. I hope you have a gas savings card. :sarcastic: :girl_wacko: Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 31, 2010, 09:19:17 PM
"But you didn't say that, you said "Larry Bird is 'up there' AS the best NBA player in history." >>> Nope, re-read what I said. I said, WITH THE BEST. Not AS the best, big difference.
No, you did say "roulette is up there
as the BEST payout".
Just admit you were wrong. Sheesh...
Quote from: Mr J on August 31, 2010, 09:19:17 PM
"But you didn't say that, you said "Larry Bird is 'up there' AS the best NBA player in history." >>> Nope, incorrect as usual. A decent method combined with a decent bet selection combined with lots of testing & tweaking combined with a decent BR. That is the *ONLY* way to beat roulette. This is common knowledge. Its much more efficient than driving 800 miles. I hope you have a gas savings card. :sarcastic: :girl_wacko: Ken
Just look at the way you still quote other posts... ::) People like you never learn.
Good luck with your "methods".
What's happened to Davey? And why is Mr. J still moderating and making a mess?
I don't log on for a while and the place turns into a war zone because of Mr. J.
Go figure. :)
Davey deleted his account, but Steve still banned his IP. I wonder why. ;D
No I didnt ban his IP. If his ip is banned, it is because some other user was banned for rules breach, and I banned that IP. If davey has the same ip, guess who it was under a different name?
NS, you always seem to have something to say about me. I suggest just get on with things, and if you have a problem with me, do what davey did.
Herb, if you really believe ken is making a mess of being a mod, be specific and give actual examples of it. As far as I can tell he hasnt done anything wrong, but he has been criticized.
@NS >> Did you misquote me regarding Larry Bird? Yes or no?
"I don't log on for a while and the place turns into a war zone because of Mr.J" >>> Can you complete this sentence please? Are you saying I am have conversations with nobody? It takes TWO (or more) to have a discussion, correct? Why did you NOT mention other names? Ken
What about this NS, do you NOT agree with? >>> "Other than Keno, roulette is up there as the BEST payout (35-1)". I said that and then you said it was WRONG. So again, what other game has a better (best) payout, more than 35-1? Take your time. Ken
"As far as I can tell he hasnt done anything wrong, but he has been criticized" >>> I won't dwell on this, I'm tired. The reason is because I'm not into AP, I'm into methods. Thats a FACTUAL reason why they slam me. It has nothing to do with not using a couple features of the board. lol Because of the 'stop arguing' rule, 'they' have to switch gears to something else. This will go on for MONTHS. Ken
Quote from: Steve on August 31, 2010, 10:53:19 PM
As far as I can tell he hasnt done anything wrong, but he has been criticized.
Before all this started, I posted in this thread that Ken "will come and discredit AP, and a good thread will be ruined" (something like that). He deleted that post of mine and made a post in which he bashed AP, knowing what would happen.
If you truly think this guy has the qualities of a good mod, you're wrong. Just the fact that he is disliked by multiple posters here should get him off the list of candidates to moderate this forum. As an admin, you should know these things, if you don't want this forum to get worse that is.
Personally, as a regular poster, if I see BS I will point it out as I see it. (same for Davey) I don't care if it's a mod who writes it. As far as roulette is concerned, I can back up my arguments with universally accepted facts. A guy like Ken likes to stir such disputes up every chance he gets, ruining almost every thread, delete a post or two as it suits him, and then play innocent.
When I was a mod (back when Lanky was an admin), I never deleted any of his posts, except ONE where he quoted something I said and posted a sarcastic emoticon. When I removed that post of his, he made a big fuss about it, went b***hing about it in GG saying how bad vls is, how biased the mods are, and how he regrets making the donation to Victor for hosting the forum. I actually apologized for removing the post, and he came back.
Now he's doing the same stuff he used to b***h about in GG.
Ken,
You're a trip. You love starting fires. You love to start these little attacks on AP people and then run and cry to "Mom" that they are picking on you.
Why don't you focus more on your roulette eduation? :)
Some of us would help you if you tone it down a bit.
Quote from: Mr J on August 31, 2010, 11:09:19 PM
What about this NS, do you NOT agree with? >>> "Other than Keno, roulette is up there as the BEST payout (35-1)". I said that and then you said it was WRONG. So again, what other game has a better (best) payout, more than 35-1? Take your time. Ken
Oh jeez...
Listen:
- The "
highest payout" involves a bet that pays higher. Example: straights pay
higher than EC's.
- The "
best payout" is a function of the house edge. Example: A bet in baccarat pays
better than a bet in American roulette.
Understand?
"You love starting fires. You love to start these little attacks on AP people and then run" >>> I'm gonna ask the SAME question as Steve did. Can you give me/us a RECENT example? Let me see if I got this right. You say I start problems etc. but you are in bed with (its a saying) with others under FAKE user names, yourself has one or more FAKE user names stirring the pot (I know, you'll say 'prove it') and you attempt to do FAKED challenges in LV but I cause the trouble? :girl_wacko: The only thing WRONG (or dumb) I'm doing, is responding to you. Ken
@NS >>> WHAT OTHER GAME (or bet) has a higher payout than 35:1? I love how you TRY to confuse me by going in another direction, just answer the question. @NS >> Did you misquote me regarding Larry Bird? Yes or no?
Ken
"Before all this started, I posted in this thread that Ken "will come and discredit AP, and a good thread will be ruined" (something like that). He deleted that post of mine and made a post in which he bashed AP, knowing what would happen" >>> Hold on now. Just so I understand, are you saying ON THIS THREAD, I deleted something of yours? Ken
A dislike for a moderator has NOTHING to do with them being a moderator. even you and herb do things that stir sh*t so you are not angels yourself. it is not hard to enforce basic rules, and ken is capable enough. If ken is being a bad moderator, then you need to give me specific examples. If it's just that you dont like him, again it has nothing to do with him being a mod.
@NS >> I do apologize for RE-POSTING this same question, its WRONG to do so but this one I'm VERY confused on, so help me out please. (I'm not counting the OTHER questions to NS and Herb that are STILL unanswered)
>>> "Before all this started, I posted in this thread that Ken "will come and discredit AP, and a good thread will be ruined" (something like that). He deleted that post of mine and made a post in which he bashed AP, knowing what would happen" >>> Hold on now. Just so I understand, are you saying ON THIS THREAD, I deleted something of yours? Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 31, 2010, 11:41:54 PM
Hold on now. Just so I understand, are you saying ON THIS THREAD, I deleted something of yours? Ken
You didn't delete it? You were watching the thread when it disappeared so I assumed you were the one that deleted it. Nevermind.
Quote from: Mr J on August 31, 2010, 11:38:45 PM
Did you misquote me regarding Larry Bird? Yes or no?
I did not misquote you, you missed the point.
- You said "roulette is up there as the BEST payout".
- I understood it as roulette having the "best payout" and disagreed.
- You said you meant "up there", not THE best payout, and said you watch the wording and I don't.
- I said that saying "roulette is up there as the BEST payout" does mean roulette having the "best payout".
- You said no it's like saying "Larry Bird is 'up there'
with the best NBA players in history."
- I said that's not a fair analogy because your saying that "roulette is up there
as the BEST payout" is equivalent to "Larry Bird is 'up there'
as the best NBA player in history", and not "Larry Bird is 'up there'
with the best NBA players in history".
lol
huh? Can we keep this relevant
Quote from: Steve on September 01, 2010, 12:07:24 AM
huh? Can we keep this relevant
A bit TOO late for that. ;D
"You were watching the thread when it disappeared so I assumed you were the one that deleted it. Nevermind" >>> NS, you're not doing too well today bud. I'm very good at this s**t, its a gift and as good as I am, I'm holding back because I'm a mod. :sarcastic: You couldn't handle me at 100% strength. Ken
Example: I got an email from Davey, informing me about a guy that I referred to your forum and Miro's forum.
What happens?
Mr. J attacks him and starts accusing him of having been Davey or me (Herb). WTF?
I don't visit GG for a few days, and the guy starts attacking me over there?
Mr. J,
What is with your weird obsession with me? :blink:
What/when are you talking about and what the heck is Miro? Again with the emails? lol You guys never quit, I'll give you that much. Ken
(NOTE NOTE NOTE: I love how Herb ADDS THINGS IN after the fact. His post above did NOT say that a few minutes ago, he changed it. Old school tricks again)
What is with your wEiRd obsession with me? :blink:
Why are you stalking me?
NS you were correct. A thread doesn`t stay on topic for very long.
Regarding, "Why chose roulette": It's simple. As an AP player, there's very little competition, and there's a great deal of disinformation out there that helps ensure that it stays that way.
What is with your wEiRd obsession with me?
Why are you stalking me? >>> Not sure what you mean sir? You ask me questions, I do the best I can at answering. I ask you questions, you....umm, answer once in a while. The more you dont answer, the better it is for me. Ken
What is the root cause of this? Seriously why so much conflict?
I dont care what happens at gg - I have nothing to do with it. From what I saw, and ip checks, the person who posted that link was one of the typical crew who have a problem with ken.
QuoteNot sure what you mean sir?
Ken,
You try to follow me wherever I post, or and wherever you THINK I post. It's beyond wEirD at this point.
It's Mr. J's strange "man crush like obsession :give_rose:" that he has with me.
FYI Ken, I'm not into guys.
@Kelly >> Lets take a look at the beginning of this thread. First off, a great question was asked, no doubt. Reply #2, NS gave his view, no problem. Reply # 6, I gave my view with ZERO insults. What is the FIRST word from reply #7, (NS)? 'Wrong', is the first word and the BS started. Try not to be bias against me Kelly. Ken
"You try to follow me wherever I post, or and wherever you THINK I post. It's beyond wEirD at this point" >>> lol, If you quote MY NAME and say something, am I not then involved with the discussion? :girl_wacko: Ken
"FYI Ken, I'm not into guys" >>> Yeah but are guys into you? :haha: Now HERE is an example. You used MY NAME and I responded, is that stalking by your definition and when will you answer my questions? Ken
I think everyone needs to have more of a sense of humor. It's really not all that serious.
I said it before Steve.....we all have ONE thing in common. Our wallets to be thicker leaving the casino REGARDLESS of how you play or what game you played that day. The GOAL is to come out ahead. I play methods.....WHO CARES! Ken
QuoteI said it before Steve.....we all have ONE thing in common. Our wallets to be thicker leaving the casino REGARDLESS of how you play or what game you played that day. The GOAL is to come out ahead. I play methods.....WHO CARES! Ken
Yes but the underlying purpose of that is to get laid. With marriage it's kind of like the house edge.. slow working but assured.
Quite a few times the hookers 'stalk' me around the casino. lol I take a seat at the bar and BAM, one sits next to me. Why you ask? They watch the guys that are WINNING and then go to the bar. They will not watch/follow someone who lost every damn dollar, whats the point of that? They also take a look if you have a ring on or not, very basic stuff. Ken
QuoteThey watch the guys that are WINNING and then go to the bar
Is that a pun?
? lol, If the player that has won goes to the bar for a DRINK (in the casino) a hooker may follow. Ken
sorry I was thinking of the wrong bar. understandable misunderstanding.
Personal question from a chat we had 2 years ago ...
Ken you have two wheels from the old days and you try to learn ap - if I remember it correct - how come you did not follow true ? Curios !!!
O_o
Quote from: Mr J on September 01, 2010, 12:26:27 AM
What is the FIRST word from reply #7, (NS)? 'Wrong', is the first word and the BS started. Try not to be bias against me Kelly. Ken
No, you started it with your "AP (cough)" BS. You ALWAYS do, and it always leads to the same thing, yet you continue to do it. And you talk about MY being bias. You're full of stuff Ken. ;D
Quote from: I have cookies on September 01, 2010, 01:14:25 AM
Personal question from a chat we had 2 years ago ...
Ken you have two wheels from the old days and you try to learn ap - if I remember it correct - how come you did not follow true ? Curios !!!
hahahahah! so that's it then, HE failed and assumed all AP is nonsense.
Pity. ;D
Now check it out Steve. This thread was calming down and NS is BACK again for more. Ken
"Ken you have two wheels from the old days and you try to learn ap - if I remember it correct - how come you did not follow true ? Curios" >>> I am down to one wheel now. I NEVER said anything regarding learning AP. Ken
Seriously now you guys do not have to live together. if you dont like someone - just leave them alone. If they are attacking you, that's different. But from my perspective, if there are personal attacks on the forum rather than discussions, then something needs to change.
This is all a waste of time for everyone. You guys may or may not have legitimate gripes about each other, but do you really expect to get along with everyone?
I know ken is no AP fan. It changes nothing
Why cant you guys just agree to just leave it alone? Is it really that important?
What else would there be for Ken to talk about?
Ken is like the beach sand that get's between your toes, somehow getting into your shoes and passing through your socks and then slowly and continuously chafing and chafing untill the irritation becomes a ugly sore. He really has perfected it to a fine art. Congratulations Ken.....
QuoteWhat else would there be for Ken to talk about?
Ken is like the beach sand that get's between your toes, somehow getting into your shoes and passing through your socks and then slowly and continuously chafing and chafing untill the irritation becomes a ugly sore. He really has perfected it to a fine art. Congratulations Ken.....
That is trash talk. I dont care about your personal opinion of ken. I'm not protecting or favoring anyone - just maintaining forum integrity, which also means no personal attacks.
Well i assume if some one like post like this to develop then they do - a mod has balls and not so much different then being parent - how come you did not lock this one among other posts on this forum ?
One basic corner stone in any kind of communication and relations pure intentions and expectations wish lead to some thing good or just being a waste of time is to decide and act and move forward ...
I assume that is why this forum has its true colours being low with some good posts wish is a reason to hang around.
I just express my humble opinion and think its fun to read does posts wish lead to nothing - is like a Fraser wish develops and so round us with its own world with open space with so many relations and intentions and expectations wish say more about the individual posters then the world wish is being created regarding the topic.
Ken yes you did told me what i say in my previous post that you had tried ap and come to the conclusion it was not for you.
O_o
Ah, it's all coming together now, then. I think we all had our suspicions.
"you did told me what I say in my previous post that you had tried ap" >>> How do you 'try' AP? Ken
I thought about this more. In order for me to try it out, I would of had to do a s**tload of studying etc., learning ALOT, correct? No way I would WASTE that amount of time on it. Sorry, I never said it. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on September 01, 2010, 01:27:41 AM
Now check it out Steve. This thread was calming down and NS is BACK again for more. Ken :'(
Oh grow a pair.
Quote from: Mr J on September 01, 2010, 12:48:50 PM
In order for me to try it out, I would of had to do a s**tload of studying etc., learning ALOT, correct? No way I would WASTE that amount of time on it. Sorry, I never said it. Ken
You do sound like you don't know what the hell you're talking about when you bash all Advantage Play.
Anyway, I couldn't care less what you "think" or "believe", but it's very simple:
1) Act like a jerk and you will be treated like one.
2) Spread misinformation and you will find opposition from those who know better than you. I WILL tell you that you are WRONG when I know so.
Either deal with it, or go ahead and beg Steve to ban me.
ken if i count the hours i have used learning various systems and then handtesting them on permanenzies, i am way ahead on hours on the math systems contra the time it took learning vb.
"I couldn't care less what you "think" or "believe" >>> You care VERY much. Why, I dont know? Ken
We all have our preferences on how we play roulette. They vary. So what, life goes on. The bottom line is the one with more money in their account is right. We can speculate as to how well someone may do, but we may never really know. So be it. Does there really need to be arguing about it?
Quote from: Steve on September 01, 2010, 03:07:23 AM
That is trash talk. I dont care about your personal opinion of ken. I'm not protecting or favoring anyone - just maintaining forum integrity, which also means no personal attacks.
;D It's only trash talk if it's not true..... :lol: And so I say it isn't trash talk.
Anyhow it's my personal opinion. We are allowed to have opinions right? :blink: Or should we all just go along with your 'goody two shoes' methodology and shower each other with fake little compliments :air_kiss:
BTW Ken, AP rules ;D
"shower each other with fake little compliments" >>> Nope, you dont need to do that but slamming someone on a personal level is not necessary, why RUIN your name? Ken
Testmod (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/profile/testmod/) is a better moderator than Mr J.
He doesn't slam other people and their playing styles just to feel better about his own. He also doesn't use "I win more than you" as a way out of every dead-end in an argument.
:)
Can you repeat that NS? Its hard to hear you from way up here. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on September 02, 2010, 06:57:17 PM
Can you repeat that NS? Its hard to hear you from way up there. Ken
Ok I'll lean down a bit so you can hear me:
As I'm sure quite a few others would agree, Testmod (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/profile/testmod/) is a better moderator than you, and he isn't even real. ;D
Better?
NS, you are antagonizing despite me making clear it would not be tolerated, so I've removed you from the forum. Dont take it personally, but I received enough complaints, most of which were from long term members that had enough too.
Ken, I suggest not to get involved in bickering where possible, especially with you being a mod.
Jakk, you said:
QuoteIt's only trash talk if it's not true
Trash talk is trash talk. Yes you can speak your opinion, but not if it's personal attacks. You need to keep things civil.