Quote from: GizmotronHere is my Very Rare to Kill Progression. Guess what? It really works. After thousands of spin tests it has held up as a winner. It does this because the pattern or sequence it takes to kill it is so very rare that it tends to work.
It uses 4 steps. It avoids the zeros. It's completely rule based. It has a few wait points that usually resolve in just a few spins.
The point is to bet on the two dozens or columns that did not hit last. It's almost that simple. The other point is to wait for the next single to occur in the dozens after the last repeat.
So if d1 (dozen 1, 1 to 12) hits you bet on d2 and d3 for the next spin.
If d1 hits again then you lose. You now wait for d1 to stop hitting. As soon as d2 or d3 hits you have a single in series. So then you start step two of the four step progression. I takes a perfect set of repeats and singles to kill this progression.
Here are a few spins tracking the dozens and the columns at the same time.
| 1 2 3 | L M H |
| X | X | -- 23 -- 1
| X | X | -- 24 -- 2
| X | X | -- 33 -- 3
| X | X | -- 23 -- 4
| X | X | -- 1 -- 5
| X | X | -- 11 -- 6
| X | X | -- 25 -- 7
| X | X | -- 9 -- 8
| X | X | -- 36 -- 9
| X | X | -- 35 -- 10
| X | X | -- 28 -- 11
Here is a stretch that kills it. It happens in the dozens beginning at spin 122.
| 1 2 3 | L M H |
| X | X | -- 6 -- 120
| X | X | -- 28 -- 121
| X | X | -- 29 -- 122
| X | X | -- 34 -- 123
| X | X | -- 35 -- 124
| X | X | -- 12 -- 125
| X | X | -- 9 -- 126
| X | X | -- 11 -- 127
| X | X | -- 2 -- 128
| X | X | -- 19 -- 129
| X | X | -- 17 -- 130
| X | X | -- 19 -- 131
| X | X | -- 32 -- 132
| X | X | -- 33 -- 133
|---------------| -- 0 -- 134
| X | X | -- 6 -- 135
The progression is 1,1 - 3,3 - 9,9 - 27,27. You place a bet on each of the dozens that did not hit last.
The cost is 80 units if you lose. You win everything back plus 1 unit on any win inside the four steps.
The thing that makes it work is that you never place bets on any repeats after the first repeat is discovered. So runs of repeats don't take out your progressions. Only the exact sequence of repeats after singles, four directly in a row has the power to break this progression.
For the sake of clarity here are step by step instructions.
d1 hits on spin 1. Bet 1 on d2 and 1 on d3 for spin 2.
d1 hits on spin 2. Don't bet on spin 3.
d1 hits on spin 3 Don't bet on spin 4.
d3 hits on spin 4 Bet 3 on d2 and 3 on d1 for spin 5.
d1 hits on spin 5 Bet 1 on d2 and 1 on d3 for spin 6.
d2 hits on spin 6 Bet 1 on d1 and 1 on d3 for spin 7.
d3 hits on spin 7 Bet 1 on d1 and 1 on d2 for spin 8.
I generally lose one time in 300 spins betting both dozens and columns independently for each spin. That's typical too. Once in a while you get two losses. And once in a while you get no losses. With both progressions going on at the same time you tend to win about 20 units for every 30 spins.
So there it is, now go change the world forever. Just remember I thought this up. To all those that think it won't change things just watch this gold rush.
The lost chips will be FAR more than the winning chips
Ur system doesn t change the odds unfortunatelly
--Exactly what I was testing with somebody.
I don't believe you got it from him.
Yes Jordan/JC/test this baby.
You know nothing about systems j claud. This is a good system. :thumbsup:
Kingspin - is it you ?
If i rember it correct you had a dog wish you took for walks and some-times collect coins with metal-detector /// very cool.
I also remeber that you stop playing - so if its you - how come you start play again as roulette systems is a waste of time.
Cheers
Just for fun i will run a quick test for 10 000 TRNGs and even if that succed is a waste of time.
O_o
That was a quick one and I got ...
2
2
2
2
2
3
3
2
2
3
3
1
1
1
And it could have gone...
2
2
2
2
2
3
0
3
2
0
2
Stike 4 you're out!
OH man!!!
How much idiots are u all of u????
Does it take a lot of brain to understand that when u win u wil 1 chip and when u lose u lose 80 chips!!!!!
when will u recover????
I can t belive that there are so uneducated and stupid ppl in here
You guys really need an expert to analyze this one. You don't even know how to find its strong and weak points. If you just blindly bang away at it as with endless spins then you will average out a small loss at the expectation's of the house's edge. Big deal, so what.
But with randomness there are often times when singles tend to swarm together and the repeats tend to swarm together. There are no guarantees but it makes sense not to try this progression when many streaks of repeats are found to be all over the place.
I suppose an opposite bet, in a progression, might work as a juxtaposed balancing technique. So you can have a working progression when the repeats are in domination also.
What bothers me about all you skeptics is that you lack the basic curiosity to consider adjustment to changing conditions. You would rather just blast away at those that don't favor your common sense and practicality. But that's OK. You already have all you will ever get out of this forum. You don't influence many. Not really.
Any attempt to twist or argue about the method above with or with out variations is a big joke to claim it has any value at all - ridiculous ...
Quote from: Gizmotron on October 07, 2010, 06:13:36 PM
You guys really need an expert to analyze this one.
& yet you replied :girl_wacko: :girl_wacko: :girl_wacko:
Is there anybody you could recommend ?
Of course somebody who's name DOESN'T start with a G :rtfm:
Quote from: I have cookies on October 07, 2010, 06:22:24 PM
Any attempt to twist or argue about the method above with or with out variations is a big joke to claim it has any value at all - ridiculous ...
Evidenced that you don't know why I wrote what I did. You have displayed a basic ignorance that deserves recognition. You only see it as "ridiculous ." It's always fun to put something out there that confuses the so called wise. I doubt that any will follow your advice.
hey xman1970, you wouldn't have a life if you didn't have such a need for attention attacking me. You are so oblivious to what makes randomness display its many opportunities that you show everyone what a pathetic existence you embrace. You can't do what I can so you are going to have a temper tantrum again. Big deal.
Does this make any money? Yes or no?
Quote from: Gizmotron on October 07, 2010, 06:59:54 PM
hey xman1970, you wouldn't have a life if you didn't have such a need for attention attacking me.
"Attention attacking me" are you sure English is your 1st language ? & No, compared to you I have no life what so ever....
You are so oblivious to what makes randomness display its many opportunities that you show everyone what a pathetic existence you embrace.
I kinda answered this above....... :-[ :-[
You can't do what I can so you are going to have a temper tantrum again. Big deal.
hehehehehehehehe LMFAO :lol: :lol: ANYBODY who wants to see a temper tantrum pls read the thread below...
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/gizmo-cures-cancer/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/gizmo-cures-cancer/)
& check out reply #28 from yourself.......
I thought you were going to ignore me ?
I will give you credit Gizmo, you ARE a man of your word & of course a man of principle :blush2: :blush2:
No doubt I will catch you on your book tour...... :good:
Here u have a pocket with a ball /.\ and it is 37 of them and with freedom wish u can not force towards u ideas ...
Capture constant change has a high hit ratio - no more or less - and I am sure as I know there is much better ways then what you mention above - simpel to take a classical one we could pick Turbos dozen play wish you could look up at hes site with test sampels wish is much better then the garbage above - but Turbos method also is in the same categori as your method above - but just much better even if it fails, same shit ...
Quote from: Gizmotron on October 07, 2010, 06:13:36 PM
What bothers me about all you skeptics is that you lack the basic curiosity to consider adjustment to changing conditions.
I think we are all aware that the random outcomes in roulette tend to go through periods of loseness and stickiness. Whether they are wildly chaotic, or almost perfectly ordered, the prevalent condition will often remain for some time at least.
The problem is you will rarely be able to predict the precise moment of change (you could get lucky from time to time). You can sometimes slide into the change, and hope it persists, but with such an explosive progression as suggested in this thread you really are stepping through a minefield. Even if you had a map of the minefield you risk getting blown to smithereens just by being there.
If you attempt to capture favourable periods of permanence then it should be done flat betting. At least flat betting affords you the luxury of some measure of error when taking future steps.
When things are going exceptionally well, then you could risk higher stakes for brief periods, but that is something that almost crosses over to the ethereal, and therefore more suited to players with vast experience, and not the general roulette playing population.
Quote from: bombus on October 07, 2010, 07:52:46 PM
I think we are all aware that the random outcomes in roulette tend to go through periods of loseness and stickiness. Whether they are wildly chaotic, or almost perfectly ordered, the prevalent condition will often remain for some time at least.
The problem is you will rarely be able to predict the precise moment of change
That was my conclusion too. I hit huge stretches of trials where I lost only one time out of 300 spins. But then I also hit a swarm of trials where I lost twice in 300 spins. Losing twice kills this method.
Quote from: Gizmotron on October 07, 2010, 08:21:59 PM
That was my conclusion too. I hit huge stretches of trials where I lost only one time out of 300 spins. But then I also hit a swarm of trials where I lost twice in 300 spins. Losing twice kills this method.
Au contraire...
After two losses it is the recovery period that kills the system IMO. At this point we need up to 161 consecutive wins to regain our previous bankroll + 1.
IMO, a good guide for an up as you lose progression's recovery period would be about 12 consecutive winners for each loss. You could stretch it either way by a few wins depending on how brave you are.
I also think you should add the number of pockets you are betting and divide that into 111 (3 x 37). You should round the answer up to the next whole number and use at least that many steps in your progression.
So for 24 numbers the steps needed are 5.
To recover a loss in 12 wins here you would need a progression of huge proportions, and many late wins in the final few steps.
Something like...
1-1
6-6
36-36
216-216
1296-1296.
Only Mr j himself would have the balls for that one! LOL
If you were to average out the wins, then this would be the best up as you lose progression for 24 pockets, IMO.
1-1
6-6
42-42
336-336
3024-3024 Even Mr j's legs are rattling now... ;D
Can you find that table limit? At least with the table layout dozens you could add in the sixlines, streets, and pleins to extend the progression.
Then if you could slightly increase the accuracy of your predictions you would be in with a chance. :)
The basis of the system is in my opinion not bad , but i would not play the progression which is too steep.
This i have cookies dude seems to type garbage all over the place , he posts about metal detectors and dogs! ;D
Gizmo , you are betting the two missing dozens, when the dozen repeat you stop
and wait new dozen than bet again the two missing.
This could give some good nolinksw streaks , and if you use Lw strategy
(w trigger, stop at first L, wait new trigger w) and Leveller progression
this could work even better...(leveller 1/1 ,2/2, 4/4 stay on 4/4 until bank in plus).
just my opinion....
Ex:
Doz.
1 bet doz 2/3 , Virtual play
1 L wait
3 bet 1/2
2 w Trigger bet now 1/3
3 w bet 1/2
3 L stop wait virtual w( bet virtual 1/2)
3 wait
2 w trigger bet 1/3
1 w bet 2/3
3 w bet 1/2
1 w bet 2/3
1 L stop wait virtual w( bet virtual 2/3)
1 L
1 L
3 w trigger bet 1/2
2 w bet 1/3
...and so on....
There is no possible way this could work. I cant believe we are still duscussing if 2+2 equals 4 or not...
Insider
If I may interject here I have been having SOME success with this at certain casinos. It may have been just a lucky streak but it is working well for me at the moment. I prefer inside systems though but whatever works!
It WAS just a lucky streak. I won't be playing this system anymore but thanks for posting!
Listen to Balint he has a point! That's the way to play it.
I am just wondering if nothing in this universe works why to keep this forum? Waste of time, isn't it? Or isn't it.
Even better, play the last and second last with LW strategy and Leveller and you catch all streaks and also some chops and make money on sleeping D/C (sometimes even 25 spins).
But even his strategy will work with different down to the earth progression. The progression is the culprit kamikaze.
Stop to fight get creative! You are wasting time and inspiration. Fight begets fight, creativity begets creativity. Creativity is divine, fight belongs to human stupids, eg. Iraq, Afghanistan.
Hermes
Quote from: hermes on October 13, 2010, 07:26:49 PM
Listen to Balint he has a point! That's the way to play it.
I am just wondering if nothing in this universe works why to keep this forum? Waste of time, isn't it? Or isn't it.
Even better, play the last and second last with LW strategy and Leveller and you catch all streaks and also some chops and make money on sleeping D/C (sometimes even 25 spins).
But even his strategy will work with different down to the earth progression. The progression is the culprit kamikaze.
Stop to fight get creative! You are wasting time and inspiration. Fight begets fight, creativity begets creativity. Creativity is divine, fight belongs to human stupids, eg. Iraq, Afghanistan.
Hermes
True Bratko.
Medo,
It is not a question of <<fighting>> as you put it. It is a question of being realistic. It is also a question of being original.
All of the <<wait for this to happen and bet this or that>> and <<progression this and progression that>> have ALL been done over and over and over again in ALL different shapes and forms. None of that has been proven to be a winner over the long term.
One really has to think outside the box.
If something can win on th elong term, THERE HAS TO BE A REASON different from anything that is the norm in the so-called systems we see here.
As for why we are here? I cant speak for others, but I keep visiting in the hope someone somewhere will come up with something that makes som sense.
Insidebet
QuoteAll of the <<wait for this to happen and bet this or that>> and <<progression this and progression that>> have ALL been done over and over and over again in ALL different shapes and forms. None of that has been proven to be a winner over the long term.
One really has to think outside the box.
If something can win on th elong term, THERE HAS TO BE A REASON different from anything that is the norm in the so-called systems we see here.
Insidebet
I agree.
Quote from: insidebet link=topic=17072.msg122174#msg122174 date=1287150943
One really has to think outside the box.
If something can win on the[sp] long term, THERE HAS TO BE A REASON different from anything that is the norm in the so-called systems we see here.
I could give out the method that works, but I won't at this time. But consider this: card counting depends on randomness. The card counting teams don't bring in their big gamblers until the conditions are correctly in their favor. So a random shuffling of the deck, the number of players at the table, and the tactics played by random players there too all play a factor in eventually arriving at conditions favorable to that big player. In a way, the teams are reading randomness in a way that relates to what they are seeking. If randomness flows in a fashion that develops into a mathematical advantage, a signal for them, then they hope that randomness will still work out for them when all the other factors signal that they should risk higher stakes too. It is a well known fact that there are no guarantees that you will win using card counting as a mathematical advantage.
WRONG! card counting does NOT depend on randomness, it depends on NON-randomness. Card counting only works because outcomes are dependent, so removing cards from the shoe can put the odds in your favor at times. No numbers on a roulette wheel are ever removed, so outcomes are not dependent, they are independent. And card counting DOES guarantee you will win in the long term, the problem is being able to get away with it for long enough.
Quote from: Mike on October 15, 2010, 12:07:55 PM
WRONG! card counting does NOT depend on randomness, it depends on NON-randomness. Card counting only works because outcomes are dependent, so removing cards from the shoe can put the odds in your favor at times. No numbers on a roulette wheel are ever removed, so outcomes are not dependent, they are independent. And card counting DOES guarantee you will win in the long term, the problem is being able to get away with it for long enough.
Oh really? So the shuffling process is not the production of a lineal stream of unique data in the form of a randomly shuffled deck? Only a complete idiot would think that I thought that how randomness effects a deck of cards, as they are removed with each hand, and a Roulette wheel from spin to spin are an equivalency. So I'll say it again. Card counters don't bring in the big spender until the conditions are right. That condition occurs because of random distribution as the deck is dealt out. The only difference is the recognition process. Both are still watching for conditions to change. Both are dependent on past spins or past hands dealt from the deck. It's two different forms of reading randomness. So get that much at least. It's only you that are trying to call it one form or the same form.
QuoteOh really? So the shuffling process is not the production of a lineal stream of unique data in the form of a randomly shuffled deck? Only a complete idiot would think that I thought that how randomness effects a deck of cards, as they are removed with each hand, and a Roulette wheel from spin to spin are an equivalency.
A roulette wheel can't be compared to a deck of cards. It's foolish to make the comparison that you have made.
In BJ, There are a finite number of cards in the deck. After each card is drawn the probability of making your hand changes. AP BJ players will sometimes shuffle track the cards as well.
In roulette, probability doesn't change from one spin to the next based on which numbers have hit on the previous spins.
For more information, read on "The Gambler's Fallacy".
-Herb
Quote from: Herb6 on October 15, 2010, 03:28:39 PM
A roulette wheel can't be compared to a deck of cards. It's foolish to make the comparison that you have made.
I'm sorry snowman but a comparison showing the differences can be shown in comparison, showing that they are completely different. It is not foolish to admit that a deck of cards are supposed to be randomly arranged before dealing them.
Quote from: Herb6 on October 15, 2010, 03:28:39 PM
In BJ, There are a finite number of cards in the deck. After each card is drawn the probability of making your hand changes. AP BJ players will sometimes shuffle track the cards as well.
The opportunity to take advantage of a condition, for a condition to change or stay the same, changes from spin to spin. Only a fool thinks that that is the same as a deck of cards.
Quote from: Herb6 on October 15, 2010, 03:28:39 PM
For more information, read on "The Gambler's Fallacy".
And for even more information take one of the last two spots in the only randomness training being conducted on planet earth. Last two spots reduced to $300 until the end of the month. :biggrin:
Lets all find foulty or tilted ATM and all we can withdraw some money..
Gizmo,
You shouldn't be charging to teach people what is essentially bunk. You've basically admitted that you're now a scammer.
Quote from: Herb6 on October 15, 2010, 05:22:06 PM
Gizmo,
You shouldn't be charging to teach people what is essentially bunk. You've basically admitted that you're now a scammer.
We all know that you are just begging. I wonder what you will have to say when you are proved to have been wrong all these years. Perhaps they will call it a Herb when people thinking they have always been right are shown to have always been wrong. Will you be able to handle what you now accuse me of being? I think you will go jump off a cliff or something like it.
Quote from: Gizmotron on October 15, 2010, 05:30:58 PM
when people thinking they have always been right are shown to have always been wrong.
Geez, Gizmo even sounds like a scammer. Long on promises and short on delivery. He's going to show us all 'someday', except someday never comes. How typical. Gizmo is that guy in 'Music Man' who keeps promising the band instruments will arrive any time now, and they never do because he never ordered them. After awhile you just laugh at him and wish he'd shut up about it.
Quote from: Gizmotron on October 15, 2010, 04:05:01 PM
And for even more information take one of the last two spots in the only randomness training being conducted on planet earth. Last two spots reduced to $300 until the end of the month. :biggrin:
LMFAO :lol: :girl_wacko: :lol:
& pls don't forget IF you do want one of those places, pls read this 1st......
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Your great leader openly admitting he will "Bring down Roulette" So for a mere $300 he will show you how to win @ a game that will soon not exist because of Gizmo's "self importance" gene once again kicking in...... :-[
$300 well spent ?
I think we all know the answer to that....... :nono:
Quote from: xman1970 on October 15, 2010, 07:31:39 PM
So for a mere $300 he will show you how to win @ a game that will soon not exist because of Gizmo's "self importance" gene once again kicking in...... :-[
Why would you bother to pay to learn a game when the game won't be around much longer, according to the 'teacher'? By Gizmo's own admission last month, he's run by his ego, he wants world recognition for shutting down roulette and is willing to do anything to get it. That must include making an idiot out of yourself on public forums.
Quote from: cheese on October 15, 2010, 09:01:27 PM
Why would you bother to pay to learn a game when the game won't be around much longer, according to the 'teacher'? By Gizmo's own admission last month, he's run by his ego, he wants world recognition for shutting down roulette and is willing to do anything to get it. That must include making an idiot out of yourself on public forums.
Exactly :good:
As I've stated in previous posts, if you look in a dictionary you will find a picture of Gizmo next to the word "ironic"
Also I'm worried he may well pick up the odd head injury due to the world revolving around him.... ;)
Quote from: xman1970 on October 15, 2010, 09:09:52 PM
As I've stated in previous posts, if you look in a dictionary
If anything is ironic, its that Gizmo actually believes anybody here really thinks he has students. Like everybody else, I've read his posts on roulette over the last year, and its mostly double speak nonsense. He talks and talks and says nothing. He's even bragged that its a skill he has, to be able to fool people into thinking he knows what he's talking about. His problem is, he stayed at the party too long and bored everybody to sleep. Now when you see his name, its all you can do to stifle the yawn you feel coming on.
Quote from: cheese on October 15, 2010, 09:29:44 PM
If anything is ironic, its that Gizmo actually believes anybody here really thinks he has students. Like everybody else, I've read his posts on roulette over the last year, and its mostly double speak nonsense. He talks and talks and says nothing. He's even bragged that its a skill he has, to be able to fool people into thinking he knows what he's talking about. His problem is, he stayed at the party too long and bored everybody to sleep. Now when you see his name, its all you can do to stifle the yawn you feel coming on.
Just about the most correct post to EVER hit this forum....... :good:
It's good to see that all I have to do is pull your string and you all chime in like Chatty Cathy Dolls. You don't have to impress me.
hahaha last two spots xD you mean the first and the last? and how is it possible to get such a cool low prize? why 300$? I guess you are running out of money and you desperately need another 2 to join (remember I still stay on my offer if you change your mind- I am paying anything up to 10cents, so if you need money for a gum - call me)...
Quote from: Gizmotron on October 15, 2010, 10:24:49 PM
It's good to see that all I have to do is pull your string and you all chime in like Chatty Cathy Dolls. You don't have to impress me.
That is one shitty gold ruch and who is the stalker - you or herb ??? hahaha :)
O_o
Quote from: Gizmotron on October 15, 2010, 10:24:49 PM
It's good to see that all I have to do is pull your string and you all chime in like Chatty Cathy Dolls. You don't have to impress me.
What can I say ?
You ARE indeed the ruler of us all..... :swoon:
I succumb to thee oh modest one..... :jester: