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I analyzed roughly 11.000 spins for a 4 cold number bet.. 102 sessions..
Spins needed for a normal distribution:
needed
1 10
2 11
3 4
4 8
5 8
6 4
7 5
8 4
9 1
10 4
11 4
12 3
13 3
14 2
15 1
16 5
17 5
18 2
19 1
20 1
21 1
22 1
23 4
24 1
25 1
26 4
30 1
34 1
37 1
45 1
tot: 102
But, what if you start playing after spin 96..
I found 28 sessions with the following spins needed:
Aantal van freq money-win
needed 100 120 140 160 180 200 220 260 Eindtotaal
1 2 2
2 1 1
3 3 3
4 4 4
5 2 2
6 1 1
7 1 1
8 1 1
9 1 1
10 1 1
12 2 2
13 2 2
14 1 1
15 1 1
16 2 2
22 2 2
24 1 1
tot 2 5 2 6 3 3 3 4 28
Money-management:
1 5 4 20 20 180 160
2 5 4 20 40 180 140
3 5 4 20 60 180 120
4 10 4 40 100 360 260
5 10 4 40 140 360 220
6 10 4 40 180 360 180
7 10 4 40 220 360 140
8 10 4 40 260 360 100
9 15 4 60 320 540 220
10 15 4 60 380 540 160
11 15 4 60 440 540 100
12 20 4 80 520 720 200
13 20 4 80 600 720 120
14 25 4 100 700 900 200
15 25 4 100 800 900 100
16 30 4 120 920 1080 160
17 35 4 140 1060 1260 200
18 35 4 140 1200 1260 60
19 40 4 160 1360 1440 80
20 45 4 180 1540 1620 80
21 50 4 200 1740 1800 60
22 60 4 240 1980 2160 180
23 65 4 260 2240 2340 100
24 75 4 300 2540 2700 160
total win after 28 sessions:
4880 euro
risk 2540 euro
so roughly 1 out of 4 you can play
starting at the 96 spin means std deviation of 3:
STANDARD DEVIATION: Single Zero
4 numbers bet for 96 spins
- 3 0 1 1.25
probability:
96 99.998
Profit:
5588 2604
---------------risk
13.500 spins
35 sessions played.
avrg profit: 160 euro
Normal distribution:
needed Totaal
1 11
2 13
3 7
4 9
5 9
6 5
7 6
8 6
9 2
10 5
11 5
12 4
13 3
14 2
15 2
16 6
17 5
18 2
19 2
20 1
21 1
22 3
23 4
24 2
25 1
26 4
30 1
34 1
37 1
45 1
29 1
125
42 sessions (zero loss) out of 140 and roughly 15.000 spins
profit:6588 euro
risk: 2604
normal distribution:
needed Totaal
1 14
2 14
3 7
4 9
5 10
6 5
7 6
8 8
9 4
10 7
11 5
12 4
13 3
14 3
15 3
16 7
17 5
18 2
19 2
20 2
21 1
22 3
23 4
24 2
25 1
26 4
29 1
30 1
34 1
37 1
45 1
140
50 sessions played (zero loss) out of 168 sessions.
Profit: 7804 euro
Risk:2604 euro
Already 3 times profit versus the risk..
the normal distribution of the 168 sessions...
needed
1 19
2 17
3 8
4 11
5 12
6 5
7 8
8 10
9 6
10 8
11 6
12 4
13 4
14 3
15 4
16 8
17 5
18 2
19 2
20 2
21 1
22 4
23 5
24 3
25 2
26 4
29 1
30 1
34 1
37 1
45 1
168
The advantage of starting at spin 96:
needed
1 6
2 2
3 3
4 4
5 3
6 2
7 5
8 5
9 2
10 1
11 2
12 2
13 2
14 1
15 1
16 3
18 1
22 3
24 2
50
highest spin needed in a 4 cold number bet : 24
17.000 spins analyzed.
I started analyzing with the first 60 spins..
deviation of the cold numbers, normally between 5-13..
13 highest so far...
that's a st. deviation of -5 and a probability of :
99.99999999947
- 5 0 2 2.591749863257
the 13 cold numbers after the 60th spin:
1
4
5
6
8
9
15
17
23
29
31
34
35
spin 61 is no 1 bingo...
spin 65 is no 29 bingo
spin 66 is no 8 bingo
spin 67 is no 17 bingo
spin 85 is no 34 bingo
spin 87 is no 35 bingo
spin 90 is no 6 bingo
spin 94 is no 23 bingo
spin 95 is no 31 bingo
spin 97 is no 5 bingo the last..wow
Another example:
the first 60 spins: 9 are cold..
3
8
11
12
17
18
27
28
34
st. deviation; - 4 0 1 1.301253060376 // minus 4
probability: 99.99999453766
spin 61-65
8
17
28
12
18
bingo..
So in general, I was looking for a cold 4 number bet...but with patience, you can also win in the other ranges..
look for the minus 3-5 standard deviations after 60 spins..
so in the range of : 7-13 cold numbers, they will hit soon.
Quite easily to monitor here in my casino..
scoring board latest 4 cold numbers, on my machine the latest cold numbers of the last 50 spins..
Monitor till the 60th spin and voila, if the outcome is 7-13... cold..
the numbers will hit soon.
Patience is the key-item..
Another example:
after the 60th spin:
5
15
16
19
21
26
27
28
29
36
bingo:
5 68
15 106
16 79
19
21
26 64
27 80
28 87
29 107
36
My first loss:
173 spins for a 4 cold bet, even when starting at spin 118... out of reach
std. deviation minus 4.. -/- 2604 euro..
Comparison : Always playing the cold four or at starting at spin 96..
First one is :having a profit in 185 sessions (6 losses) of 9724 euro
Second : having a profit in 53 sessions (1 loss) of 6364 euro.
Both having a risk of : 3360 euro..
Bit strange, do'nt you think..?
20.000 spins
Profit: 13872
Risk: 3360
200 sessions
6 losses = 97%
Playing after the 96th spin:
Profit: 7036
Same risk
57 sessions 1 loss = 98.2%
wow half way... it looks promising..
Fascinating, Rheti. Keep up the good work. Maybe I'll do some testing. So wait 60 spins and if there are 7 - 13 cold numbers, then start flat betting them. Is this right?
Sam
Sam,
not directly.. This profit is based on 4 cold numbers left... But i started to analyze the first 60 numbers..
and mostly there's a deviation left of 5-11 cold numbers... Will analyze the sequence also from let's say 5-11 to cold numbers 3.. that also can be profitable..
So in general i wait after 60 numbers till lets' say 120 numbers till 4 cold numbers are left, then I start playing..
Concrete example:
after 60 spins: these are cold:
needed spins
1 x 89 12 5
8
12 x 77 10 6
19 x 67 4 7
26
33
35 x 63 3 8
36 x 94 4 5
these analysis of today is only based on the last move :
betting on 8 26 33 and 36..
only 5 spins needed..
will analyze soon betting directly from 60 spins and the cold numbers..
maybe it's promising..
Start playing the cold bets after 60 spins
variance between 4-14 numbers..
p-l cum cold
1 298 298
2 211 509
3 -3370 -2861 7
4 292 -2569
5 839 -1730
6 535 -1195
7 365 -830
8 549 -281
9 317 36
10 -3685 -3649 5
11 313 -3336
12 907 -2429
13 425 -2004
14 601 -1403
15 361 -1042
16 629 -413
17 657 244
18 484 728
19 606 1334
20 564 1898
21 604 2502
22 292 2794
23 -3063 -269 x 4
24 335 66
25 579 645
26 431 1076
27 366 1442
28 -3443 -2001 x 5
29 -3312 -5313 x 5
30 439 -4874
31 724 -4150
32 536 -3614
33 634 -2980
34 616 -2364
35 640 -1724
36 489 -1235
37 764 -471
38 925 454
39 500 954
40 -3079 -2125 x 7
41 247 -1878
42 493 -1385
43 498 -887
44 265 -622
45 339 -283
46 337 54
47 608 662
48 268 930
49 504 1434
50 223 1657
51 268 1925
52 854 2779
53 596 3375
54 375 3750
55 364 4114
56 409 4523
57 869 5392
58 335 5727
59 -3197 2530 x 7
60 413 2943
61 661 3604
62 588 4192
63 -3547 645 x 9
64 574 1219
65 242 1461
66 289 1750
67 367 2117
68 598 2715
69 -6924 -4209 xx 4-5
70 297 -3912
71 332 -3580
72 530 -3050
73 321 -2729
74 666 -2063
75 469 -1594
76 684 -910
77 605 -305
78 584 279
79 495 774
80 410 1184
81 644 1828
82 913 2741
83 478 3219
84 631 3850
85 667 4517
86 727 5244
87 440 5684
88 505 6189
89 251 6440
90 370 6810
91 566 7376
92 344 7720
93 437 8157
94 465 8622
95 725 9347
96 718 10065
97 402 10467
98 641 11108
99 589 11697
100 248 11945
101 -3300 8645 x 8
102 582 9227
103 -2889 6338 x 4
104 -2888 3450 x 4
105 366 3816
106 619 4435
107 -3260 1175 x 4
I need help understanding your chart. The first vertical line is obviously the spin number, but what are the others?
Quote from: birdhands on January 26, 2011, 05:46:05 PM
I need help understanding your chart. The first vertical line is obviously the spin number, but what are the others?
first = session, I start to play after 60 spins.. it varies from 5-13 cold numbers.
second = profit or loss
third = cumulative
fourth = reference of the cold related to a loss..
an example of one of the sessions:
start=60
cold reached=x spins needed cold profit
5
6
14 x 72 1 5 109
15
20 x 63 3 9 72
24 x 71 1 6 90
25 x 70 4 7 90
27 x 66 3 8 84
30 x 85 13 4 144
589
OK, I understand the other chart now, but in this one am I to understand that 5 and 6 were not reached, 14 was reached at spin 72? What is the 2, the 5, and the 109? If the 109 is the profit, then why is it more than the 72 units won on #20 after it hit earlier (spin 63)? I definitely am still confused.
Sam
an example of one of the sessions:
start=60
cold reached=x spins needed cold profit
5
6
14 x 72 1 5 109
15
20 x 63 3 9 72
24 x 71 1 6 90
25 x 70 4 7 90
27 x 66 3 8 84
30 x 85 13 4 144
589
ok.. after 60 spins there were 9 cold numbers:
5-6-14-15-20-24-25-27-30.
I stop after the 4th cold has been reached.. so in this case 5-6-15 stayed open..
my first bet on spin 61 = a 9 bet on the colds.
on spin 63 the 20 came in ...with my progression and money management I created a profit of 72 euro
8 colds left.
on spin 66 the 27 came in....with my progression and money management I created a profit of 84 euro
7 colds left.
etc
Hi,
Interesting findings. . hope I understand correctly. . . You track 60 spins. and take note of Cold numbers remaining.
at spin #61, you start betting these Cold numbers, in the example that you stated there was 9 Cold numbers.
You Stop betting when only left with 3 Cold numbers. . . am I correct? :)
Some questions, when a number hits, do you stop betting it?
What's your progression like?
Could this same logic be applied to Hot numbers somehow? I like hot numbers :p
Hope to hear from you soon :)
Quote from: harrican on January 27, 2011, 08:25:29 AM
Hi,
Interesting findings. . hope I understand correctly. . . You track 60 spins. and take note of Cold numbers remaining.
at spin #61, you start betting these Cold numbers, in the example that you stated there was 9 Cold numbers.
You Stop betting when only left with 3 Cold numbers. . . am I correct? :) yes
Some questions, when a number hits, do you stop betting it? yes
What's your progression like? an 8 trap
Could this same logic be applied to Hot numbers somehow? I like hot numbers :p do'nt know yet
Hope to hear from you soon :) alright
OK Rheti, I finally get it; thanks for explaining. I am curious about the progression too. This is very promising.
Sam
Do you have to keep playing until all cold numbers hit? Could you not just stop on any profit? Maybe less profit overall but less risk?
he doesn't play until all of them hit; he stops when there are three left. You can probably stop whenever you want.
Sam
Hi Rheti,
Could we go from playing this,when we are in profit and use the same session numbers to play the 2 3 4 strategy.
Many thanks Pedro
Quote from: Rheti link=topic=17720. msg126219#msg126219 date=1295862310
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I analyzed roughly 11. 000 spins for a 4 cold number bet. . 102 sessions. .
Spins needed for a normal distribution:
needed
1 10
2 11
3 4
4 8
5 8
6 4
7 5
8 4
9 1
10 4
11 4
12 3
13 3
14 2
15 1
16 5
17 5
18 2
19 1
20 1
21 1
22 1
23 4
24 1
25 1
26 4
30 1
34 1
37 1
45 1
tot: 102
But, what if you start playing after spin 96. .
I found 28 sessions with the following spins needed:
Aantal van freq money-win
needed 100 120 140 160 180 200 220 260 Eindtotaal
1 2 2
2 1 1
3 3 3
4 4 4
5 2 2
6 1 1
7 1 1
8 1 1
9 1 1
10 1 1
12 2 2
13 2 2
14 1 1
15 1 1
16 2 2
22 2 2
24 1 1
tot 2 5 2 6 3 3 3 4 28
Money-management:
1 5 4 20 20 180 160
2 5 4 20 40 180 140
3 5 4 20 60 180 120
4 10 4 40 100 360 260
5 10 4 40 140 360 220
6 10 4 40 180 360 180
7 10 4 40 220 360 140
8 10 4 40 260 360 100
9 15 4 60 320 540 220
10 15 4 60 380 540 160
11 15 4 60 440 540 100
12 20 4 80 520 720 200
13 20 4 80 600 720 120
14 25 4 100 700 900 200
15 25 4 100 800 900 100
16 30 4 120 920 1080 160
17 35 4 140 1060 1260 200
18 35 4 140 1200 1260 60
19 40 4 160 1360 1440 80
20 45 4 180 1540 1620 80
21 50 4 200 1740 1800 60
22 60 4 240 1980 2160 180
23 65 4 260 2240 2340 100
24 75 4 300 2540 2700 160
total win after 28 sessions:
4880 euro
risk 2540 euro
so roughly 1 out of 4 you can play
starting at the 96 spin means std deviation of 3:
STANDARD DEVIATION: Single Zero
4 numbers bet for 96 spins
- 3 0 1 1. 25
probability:
96 99. 998
hi Rheti,
i was wondering about what you stated here,
1. bet 4 numbers for 96 spins but your money management is only for 24 spins. so, what is your formula after spin 24.
2. how do you calculate your standard deviation, do you mind sharing as i am totally out when it comes to formula.
3. correct me if i'm wrong, you are suggesting to start bet at spin 97 ? from my observation, it's not esay to get that many cold numbers at that stage. And whatever you get by then has high probability that these numbers might end up being cold for a while. Or did i get it wrong here, please advise.
4. from your given results, are those play money or real money ?
I would hope and appreciate your feedback and advise. Thank you and cheers . . . . .
David
i have seen a similar system in another forum ecept he bets 1 cold number and then progression after a win on the same number. need a high bankroll though but it seems to work.
all he dose is asks for some card that tell you the cold numbers the previous day and then bets on that cold number and uses progression after a win.
it seems to work, but the down side is it takes a b.r of 1000-4000 and stops when he reaches 100
really could choose any number. You will get the same results.
i dout that zin but that is what you believe.