Unique patterns are not really unique. Every number is random and cannot be predicted. Using a progression is pointless. The house always wins. Just play for fun and only gamble with what you are willing to lose
Not a bad idea actually. I researched the rare pattern idea. I discovered that the killing sequence actually happens just enough times as to make it a worthless system in the longer run. BUT, I was using 4 steps, 24 numbers selected, and a progression. But what if you did use a unique sequence, with the EC's, for each cycle after each win? Does that make sense? Here is an example: odd, red, 19-36, odd, 1-18, black, red, even, 19-36... Then after a win in that sequence you use another completely unique sequence. I guess you use a Marti to stack the progression. I guess I could power test this with a computer.
My gut tells me that it must follow the math. Like this 50/50 = 50%, 50/50/50 = 25%, 50/50/50/50 = 12.5%, and 50/50/50/50/50 = 6.25%. So out of every 100 spins you lose the four step progression 6 times. But that is if you use the very same sequence every spin. What's the math for adding a unique sequence for each spin cycle of four spins? If you have a 94% chance of winning a cycle then what happens once you have added sequence originality to it?
Quote from: col1879 on February 04, 2011, 02:46:14 PM
Here is an example:
...and so on............................
Does that make sense?
Sorry, I makes no sense to me. All I see are single bets, no sequences, no progression, if there is one? I don't get it.
I take it that you want this to beat the EC's with flat betting? I don't get that at all. What's the point of the unique patterns?
Now here is a bit of logic that attracts me. It's the unique sequence happening during a five or six step cycle that kills the progression. So I take my knowledge of randomness and i construct my killing sequences from what the current conditions are not. If you are in a stretch of chop and chaos then six reds in a row are more remote for the next six spins. Mathematically they can start on the next spin. It's just so rare that you can say that six reds in a row will now start. But there are ways to deal with that too. ...and I know what they are.
If you are one of my students and you are looking at this then you might like it. Just ask me what. I'll show you. Hehehe!
Quote from: col1879 on February 04, 2011, 03:04:49 PM
Every time you go through a pattern (whatever size) you have 3 outcomes- Win/ Lose/ Break Even. Based on how each unique patterns performs you either go down to previous pattern (win), repeat pattern (break even), or go up to next pattern (loss)
Only after you go through a full cycle of unique patterns (eg 5) do you use progression for the next cycle of unique patterns (eg 5 or 6 or 22 or whatever)
Does that make sense?
A apologize. I need you to start over. I need you to walk me through 10 or 20 bets and how they relate to the unique sequence, how much is won or lost on each bet, and also when to move up in the progression. I got lost somehow and can't figure it out. Perhaps someone else can simplify it for you?
Yes, I just can't believe it. So if you get 3 wins and 4 losses in the 7 steps then you lost. Yawn. It's very time consuming and boring for me. But that's OK, I was at a point where your idea made brain food for my own ideas. Tangentially, thanks.
Here is a thought but I am not really sure how valid it is.
I designed a method which will regularly win as long as you don't get too many repeat streets. The progression goes through about 9 different levels.
Now some people will argue that it does not matter if I wait for a few virtual losses or not before I start betting.
But let's assume I start halfway through my progression at level 5 which means the first 4 levels have lost.
This means I am going to have to see about 30 spins of repeating streets and zeros all coming out more or less one after the other.
I guess what I am saying is the longer the pattern you create, if you wait till about halfway through and then jump in as long as nothing has matched up to date, then the probability for that pattern appearing becomes huge.
Or is it just a case that the previous part of the pattern is irrelevant now. Anyhow, I hope you can see what I am getting at.
Quote from: col1879 on February 04, 2011, 01:21:32 PM
Regarding patterns. If you just pick one pattern, for example, RBRBRBRBRBRB and build a strategy around the 'belief' that this will never happen or will not happen frequently then you will ultimately lose because when it does happen it will wipe you out.
But what about using multiple patterns one after another, slowly building in size and stakes, but not using the same overall pattern every session? Is the chance of one pattern winning or losing always 50/50? What are the odds? Do the odds decline over time?
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There are NO patterns in random numbers - that's why they are called random numbers.
No one here can supply a link to any scientific journal that has discovered patterns in random numbers.
You really don't think you will discover something that thousands of gifted mathematicians have worked on for hundreds of years. Do you?
However the vast majority of systems out there are based upon discovering patterns in random numbers and exploiting them.
To me gambling is all about understanding the rules of the game, the odds, and money management and removing ALL logic from your decisions - use random numbers instead. This relieves you from being emotionally punished when you finally realize you didn't really find a pattern in random numbers.
This does NOT mean you can't spend thousands of hours doing research with money management techniques.
Random numbers are exactly like empty space - there is nothing there but emptiness - if you believe you see something you are being fooled by your brains inability to find a pattern which is it's main task. You are being fooled by your own brain.
I'm a private pilot and when I fly IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) I have to stop relying on my inner ear for guidance but instruments on the flight panel. When I practice with an instructor he knows the kind of maneuvers to fool my inner ear and what feels like the plane is going up is really a spiral turn and my gut reaction to push the wheel down is what would kill me in bad weather or at night. This is exactly what killed John F. Kennedy JR on July 16, 1999; he relied on his inner ear when his instruments said the exact opposite.
So stop looking for patterns in random numbers and focus on money management.
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 04, 2011, 03:39:59 PM
No one here can supply a link to any scientific journal that has discovered patterns in random numbers.
I can but that would make you look kind of stupid at this point. I'll let you look it up on your own. Look up Cluster analysis and these "machine learning, data mining, pattern recognition, image analysis, information retrieval, and bioinformatics." Also consider this subject: " A system of cluster analysis for genome-wide expression data from DNA microarray hybridization is described that uses standard statistical algorithms to arrange genes according to similarity in pattern of gene expression. The output is displayed graphically, conveying the clustering and the underlying expression data simultaneously in a form intuitive for biologists."
Al Gore would say another "An Inconvenient Truth."
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 04, 2011, 03:39:59 PM
So stop looking for patterns in random numbers and focus on money management.
Who made you air traffic control? Money management is just as much a fallacy on its own. You can't use any rule based method or system without it hitting its very own kill point. That includes your preferred method of entertainment.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 04, 2011, 03:59:31 PM
I can but that would make you look kind of stupid at this point. I'll let you look it up on your own. Look up Cluster analysis and these "machine learning, data mining, pattern recognition, image analysis, information retrieval, and bioinformatics." Also consider this subject: " A system of cluster analysis for genome-wide expression data from DNA microarray hybridization is described that uses standard statistical algorithms to arrange genes according to similarity in pattern of gene expression. The output is displayed graphically, conveying the clustering and the underlying expression data simultaneously in a form intuitive for biologists."
Al Gore would say another "An Inconvenient Truth."
Please, make me look stupid.
I'm serious; I know of no studies that have discovered patterns in random numbers. If they existed would we not have to stop calling them random numbers? We could call them faux random numbers perhaps.
Random numbers are very important and the reason zillions of mathematicians dedicate their lives to it. Anyone discovering patterns in random numbers would be awarded a Nobel Prize - and that would make the 10 PM news here in St. Louis.
If there are patterns in random numbers it should be easy to demonstrate in real time.
So I await my punishment.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 04, 2011, 04:09:28 PM
Please, make me look stupid.
Been there, done that. You really are a beggar. Just another newbie beggar. There won't be a Nobel Prize for clustering analysis of gambling. There will be nothing but a footnote regarding it. That's because I'm not an academic and I'm not pursuing validation from a peer revued board of mathematicians. I'm just here giving people like you a headache.
Read my comment regarding this: "the frequentist notion of probability strikes me as utterly incoherent."
nolinks://blog.richmond.edu/physicsbunn/2009/01/27/what-is-probability/#comment-1731 (nolinks://blog.richmond.edu/physicsbunn/2009/01/27/what-is-probability/#comment-1731)
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 04, 2011, 03:59:31 PM
I can but that would make you look kind of stupid at this point. I'll let you look it up on your own. Look up Cluster analysis and these "machine learning, data mining, pattern recognition, image analysis, information retrieval, and bioinformatics." Also consider this subject: " A system of cluster analysis for genome-wide expression data from DNA microarray hybridization is described that uses standard statistical algorithms to arrange genes according to similarity in pattern of gene expression. The output is displayed graphically, conveying the clustering and the underlying expression data simultaneously in a form intuitive for biologists."
Al Gore would say another "An Inconvenient Truth."
As usual, Gizmotron has only succeeded in making himself look stupid. :sarcastic:
In no way can predicting roulette numbers be considered a legitimate application of cluster analysis. As Maui says, random numbers have been an active area of research for many years, and especially recently because of the link with cryptography and computer security. By definition, random numbers have no characteristics which can be exploited, if they did, they wouldn't be used for security purposes. You're much better off focussing your efforts on either money management or preferably physics based approaches, finding meaningful patterns is simply a dead end. :skull:
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 04, 2011, 04:20:15 PM
Been there, done that. You really are a beggar. Just another newbie beggar. There won't be a Nobel Prize for clustering analysis of gambling. There will be nothing but a footnote regarding it. That's because I not an academic and I'm not pursuing validation from a peer revued board of mathematicians. I'm just here giving people like you a headache.
Read my comment regarding this: "the frequentist notion of probability strikes me as utterly incoherent."
nolinks://blog.richmond.edu/physicsbunn/2009/01/27/what-is-probability/#comment-1731 (nolinks://blog.richmond.edu/physicsbunn/2009/01/27/what-is-probability/#comment-1731)
I'd need a link from someone but you as proof - a third party scientific magazine would do fine - something that is written in English and for the lay person.
A simple demonstration should easily prove your contention - name the place and time and I'll be there.
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 04, 2011, 04:28:39 PM
I'd need a link from someone but you as proof - a third party scientific magazine would do fine - something that is written in English and for the lay person.
A simple demonstration should easily prove your contention - name the place and time and I'll be there.
I just named it dork. I said right here with the numbers encrypted and posted here before the session starts. Then after the demonstration is done we can all see if the session moderator cheated or not. But you went dark and silent. Perhaps you read this far and discovered that you are a pest too.
Quote from: Mike on February 04, 2011, 04:25:11 PM
As usual, Gizmotron has only succeeded in making himself look stupid. :sarcastic:
In no way can predicting roulette numbers be considered a legitimate application of cluster analysis. As Maui says, random numbers have been an active area of research for many years, and especially recently because of the link with cryptography and computer security. By definition, random numbers have no characteristics which can be exploited, if they did, they wouldn't be used for security purposes. You're much better off focussing your efforts on either money management or preferably physics based approaches, finding meaningful patterns is simply a dead end. :skull:
I don't pretend to have mastered Roulette - don't know if I ever will. You have NO control of the outcome.
Blackjack is a totally different animal where you have lots of control over - there are proven systems that can be used which give you a fighting chance of having a profitable evening; but lady luck can still smack you upside the head.
That doesn't mean you can't do a lot to improve your night playing Roulette.
But asking for Nobel Prize level discoveries is not a rational thing to expect from internet chat rooms.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 04, 2011, 04:33:02 PM
I just named it dork. I said right here with the numbers encrypted and posted here before the session starts. Then after the demonstration is done we can all see if the session moderator cheated or not. But you went dark and silent. Perhaps you read this far and discovered that you are a pest too.
Not sure why all the cloak and daggers stuff - do what John Gold did and demonstrate in real time with a live Roulette wheel and in the live chat room above. It's much easier and you could do it in just a few minutes from now. The live wheel turns 24/7 and the live chat room is open 24/7 too.
But I await your demonstration.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 04, 2011, 04:35:04 PM
I don't pretend to have mastered Roulette - don't know if I ever will. You have NO control of the outcome.
Yes, you do have control. If the conditions are bad, a notion that I say exists that is, then you can get up and leave the table. You have control of the outcome. I could go on and describe many different conditions that you can control. But the topic of this thread is about using very rare patterns to exploit the fact that they are very rare. That in itself is and expression of control. I'm saying that conditions that are recognizable can be controlled. Even you imply control with the use of MM. Let's get real.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 04, 2011, 04:43:53 PM
Yes, you do have control. If the conditions are bad, a notion that I say exists that is, then you can get up and leave the table. You have control of the outcome. I could go on and describe many different conditions that you can control. But the topic of this thread is about using very rare patterns to exploit the fact that they are very rare. That in itself is and expression of control. I'm saying that conditions that are recognizable can be controlled. Even you imply control with the use of MM. Let's get real.
I guess what I'm saying is that once the Roulette ball spins you are locked into your bet and can't change it. In Blackjack/craps you can modify your bet up and down while the hand/session is being played - that kind of control.
I wish you luck in your demo, if you don't succeed try again. If you can demonstrate a couple of profitable sessions you will have me reevaluating my beliefs in Random Numbers.
Believe it or not I'm here to learn something and I realize that the reason they call it gambling is that the outcome is highly questionable, even under the best of circumstances.
Good luck....
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 04, 2011, 04:41:41 PM
Not sure why all the cloak and daggers stuff - do what John Gold did and demonstrate in real time with a live Roulette wheel and in the live chat room above. It's much easier and you could do it in just a few minutes from now. The live wheel turns 24/7 and the live chat room is open 24/7 too.
But I await your demonstration.....
The time between bets is far too short for my needs. The only time I get rushed like that is when I'm playing along at a real casino. I know this for sure. I've spent time using chat and the Dublinbet live wheel. But I had to make answers to why during those chats. I need at least 30 seconds after the last spin is known and the last chance to place a quick bet. Can you guarantee that, including the internet lag? I just have not spent that much time at an on-line casino. Can we go on for 120 spins? The encryption is so that the numbers will really be the numbers and not some cheating by anyone. I require that.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 04, 2011, 04:59:01 PM
The time between bets is far too short for my needs. The only time I get rushed like that is when I'm playing along at a real casino. I know this for sure. I've spent time using chat and the Dublinbet live wheel. But I had to make answers to why during those chats. I need at least 30 seconds after the last spin is known and the last chance to place a quick bet. Can you guarantee that, including the internet lag? I just have not spent that much time at an on-line casino. Can we go on for 120 spins? The encryption is so that the numbers will really be the numbers and not some cheating by anyone. I require that.
If your system won't work in a real casino or on live Roulette what good is it?
You have at least 30 seconds between spins in all of these.
120 spins is a couple of hours and John did that the other day with no problems - he had too much time between spins. I suggest you practice first.
Speaking for myself, someone who doesn't believe ANY patterns occur in random numbers, your technique is no better than just one random sequence - the next Red or Black is 50/50 and it makes no difference what came before.
None at all....
P.S.
Let's say you brought $1,024 dollars with you and bets were $1 - probability theory says that if you bet Red and use a Martingale you are in for a heck of a night.
Each win would be of the form $1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256-512-1,024 or you could have to see 10 Blacks in a row before you collect your $1 winnings. Just this morning I saw 10 Blacks in a row in 30 minutes of testing.
Unfortunately the table limit of $250, or whatever, will cut you off at the knees.
You probably would last 60 minutes before being wiped out and the maximum winnings might be $5.
So the real question is NOT whether a Red or Black comes up it's how much are you willing to lose to win $1?
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 04, 2011, 05:02:33 PM
If your system won't work in a real casino or on live Roulette what good is it?
You have at least 30 seconds between spins in all of these.
120 spins is a couple of hours and John did that the other day with no problems - he had too much time between spins. I suggest you practice first.
I will start practicing after Feb 22 - 24. My internet provider was bought out by a better company this month. I'm going from a wireless system powered by 3 T-1 lines to 7 T-1 lines. So fro the next few weeks my access is intermittent and sometimes as bad as a dial up system. That will give me time to power test the rare and changing patterns only used once technique. I want to see if a one time used rare pattern can work better than the math says it should. It's an interesting idea.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 04, 2011, 06:49:44 PM
I will start practicing after Feb 22 - 24. My internet provider was bought out by a better company this month. I'm going from a wireless system powered by 3 T-1 lines to 7 T-1 lines. So fro the next few weeks my access is intermittent and sometimes as bad as a dial up system. That will give me time to power test the rare and changing patterns only used once technique. I want to see if a one time used rare pattern can work better than the math says it should. It's an interesting idea.
Great! I look forward to you announcement.
I travel quite a bit and use the Sprint Evo which gives me 5 MB per second while traveling if there is 4G in the area. I tether it to my laptops and netbooks while traveling and I don't have a problem with live Roulette with it. 3G is limited to 400K and that would definitely be a problem. Just the other day we had a snow storm that knocked out power to our house for 3 hours and used the Evo with no problem to do my normal work.
So you might have a solution right in your pocket....
Quote from: col1879 on February 04, 2011, 07:05:16 PM
***************the rare and changing patterns only used once technique******************************
col1879 TM, copyright, All Rights Reserved ;D
******************************So the real question is NOT whether a Red or Black comes up it's how much are you willing to lose to win $1?******************************
The patterns I am using ARE random, that's the paradox. I am essentially picking random numbers and making my next decision based on a win, lose or break even outcome.
A straight up Martingale of 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64 etc (table limits) like you say would be a quick disaster and lots of small profits will eventually be eaten up by one big loss. What I am trying to do is ride the storm using a Fibonnacci-thingy type progression (1 left on a win, stick on an even outcome, move one right on a loss) and hope to get lucky! Coupled with good money management and regular ratholing of profits then this could be worth while. What you say MauiSunset?
I dare say that no matter what random sequence you pick it will show up that night!
Pick a 10 event sequence of Red and Black and it won't be long before it shows up. We are so used to looking at 8+ Reds or Blacks show up but 8+ sequence of ANY random numbers shows up just as fast. It's like the gambling gods are waiting for you.
Quote from: col1879 on February 04, 2011, 09:33:24 PM
*******but 8+ sequence of ANY random numbers shows up just as fast*************
That is what I am betting on, I want them to show up!
In a 6 hour session the following 8 event strings will show up:
RRRRRRRR
BBBBBBBB
RRRRBBBB
BBBBRRRR
All will show up - easy.
So what?
They will show up on the table next to you, on the internet, everywhere Roulette is played while you play your 6 hour marathon.
In fact, ALL combinations will show up of Red and Black 8 events deep in those 6 hours.
When you sit down for the night, the first spin will be event 8 of some set and the next spin will be event 8 of another set - they are up on the Marquee.
Knowing that all possible combinations will show up in 6 hours does what for you - you already know they will happen.
Quote from: col1879 on February 04, 2011, 09:57:37 PM
*************In a 6 hour session the following 8 event strings will show up:RRRRRRRRBBBBBBBBRRRRBBBBBBBBRRRRAll will show up - easy.****************************
Wrong, technically, you could get all Reds for 6 hours and no blacks.
So what?
Looking at past random outcomes is something your mind wants to do - it wants to find patterns for you; that's how our brain is wired and you can't turn it off. It is an organic pattern matching computer that is unbelievable - we don't have the slightest idea how it really works.
No scientific evidence has ever been presented and proved that a set of random numbers has patterns that can be used to forecast future random events - its never been done.
Yet that's what 95% of Roulette systems are based upon - junk science, the other 5% are based upon even weirder concepts.
My contention is that for the game of Roulette ONLY money management and lady luck can help you.
I'd offer a reward for anyone proving there are patterns in random outcomes of dice or Roulette wheels but there is no need to - the Nobel Prize for Mathematics comes with a $1,000,000 cash prize.
Honestly folks, if you have found the secret to random numbers just publish it, get a patent, and you will become a zillionaire by the end of the year. That's what folks who claim they have cracked random numbers are boasting about - and I just don't think a person who could actually make this breakthrough is going to be here in a Roulette chatroom.
Let's get real folks.........
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 05, 2011, 01:36:53 AM
My contention is that for the game of Roulette ONLY money management and lady luck can help you.
Actually, the belief that money management can help in the long term is also junk science. Think about it, using a martingale progression means that sometimes you're betting 1 unit, sometimes 2, sometimes 4, and so on. Over time this amounts to the same as flat betting those respective amounts for short periods. You will be betting 1 unit more often than 2 units, 2 units more often than 4 units etc, but in the end the result is the same as if you were betting whole sessions for 1 unit, 2 units... ie; flat betting, and flat betting will not give you a profit unless you have an edge. Merely fiddling with the stakes cannot give you a true and consistent edge, how can it? the edge is the difference between your chance of winning and what the house pays you, and how can this be affected by the AMOUNT you are betting at any given time? Once you have an edge, then money-management can increase profits, but first you have to find a way of negating the house advantage. Any professional investor or speculator will tell you the same thing.
Look, the payouts are set by the casinos on the basis of a RANDOM game. The random game generates all kinds of statistics and patterns, but ALL of these are accounted for in the payouts, so studying statistics is not going to give you an edge, get it?
Quote from: Mike on February 05, 2011, 04:16:52 AM
Actually, the belief that money management can help in the long term is also junk science. Think about it, using a martingale progression means that sometimes you're betting 1 unit, sometimes 2, sometimes 4, and so on. Over time this amounts to the same as flat betting those respective amounts for short periods. You will be betting 1 unit more often than 2 units, 2 units more often than 4 units etc, but in the end the result is the same as if you were betting whole sessions for 1 unit, 2 units... ie; flat betting, and flat betting will not give you a profit unless you have an edge. Merely fiddling with the stakes cannot give you a true and consistent edge, how can it? the edge is the difference between your chance of winning and what the house pays you, and how can this be affected by the AMOUNT you are betting at any given time? Once you have an edge, then money-management can increase profits, but first you have to find a way of negating the house advantage. Any professional investor or speculator will tell you the same thing.
Look, the payouts are set by the casinos on the basis of a RANDOM game. The random game generates all kinds of statistics and patterns, but ALL of these are accounted for in the payouts, so studying statistics is not going to give you an edge, get it?
That could be for Roulette and Craps - don't know. For BalckJack the odds do favor you using the newest BlackJack tables - those tables are on the internet and you must do more work to bring the odds over to your favor - the plastic coated cards that the stores sell in Vegas are using the old tables and the house has a 0.64% edge. nolinks://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/house-edge-calculator.html (nolinks://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/house-edge-calculator.html) European Roulette has 4 times the house advantage that you must overcome just to break even.
I'm hoping that money management can help with Roulette and Craps but flat betting has to be profitable before you can add money management "on top" of the system used to leverage that system.
You bring up a very good point, and the reason I look at Roulette as still a form of entertainment in between BlackJack sessions....
OK, the idea of a unique sequence fails to work. It does it at just about the expected rate of the house's advantage.
Here is telemetry from a six step test where after each win it starts over:
1 = red, 2 = black
3 = odd, 4 = even
5 = low, 6 = high
( 2, 3, 5, -- 5 ) w
( 1, 3, 5, -- 4 ) ( 1, 3, 5, -- 1 ) Lw
( 2, 3, 6, -- 6 ) w
( 1, 3, 5, -- 6 ) ( 1, 3, 6, -- 4 ) ( 2, 3, 5, -- 3 ) LLw
( 2, 3, 5, -- 1 ) ( 1, 3, 6, -- 6 ) Lw
( 1, 3, 5, -- 6 ) ( 1, 3, 5, -- 3 ) Lw
( 2, 4, 6, -- 5 ) ( 2, 4, 6, -- 5 ) ( 2, 4, 5, -- 3 ) ( 2, 3, 6, -- 1 ) ( 2, 3, 6, -- 6 ) LLLLw
( 2, 3, 6, -- 6 ) w
( 1, 3, 5, -- 1 ) w
( 2, 3, 6, -- 3 ) w
( 1, 4, 5, -- 4 ) w
( 2, 4, 6, -- 5 ) ( 1, 4, 5, -- 2 ) ( 2, 4, 5, -- 1 ) ( 2, 4, 6, -- 1 ) ( 2, 4, 6, -- 5 ) ( 1, 4, 6, -- 3 ) LLLLLL
( 1, 3, 5, -- 6 ) ( 1, 3, 5, -- 5 ) Lw
( 1, 3, 5, -- 2 ) ( 1, 4, 6, -- 2 ) ( 1, 4, 5, -- 1 ) LLw
( 1, 4, 5, -- 1 ) w
( 1, 4, 5, -- 2 ) ( 2, 4, 6, -- 2 ) Lw
( 1, 3, 6, -- 2 ) ( 1, 3, 6, -- 3 ) Lw
( 2, 4, 6, -- 2 ) w
( 1, 4, 5, -- 1 ) w
( 2, 4, 6, -- 2 ) w
( 2, 4, 6, -- 6 ) w
( 1, 3, 5, -- 4 ) ( 2, 4, 5, -- 3 ) ( 2, 4, 6, -- 6 ) LLw
( 1, 3, 5, -- 1 ) w
( 1, 3, 6, -- 5 ) ( 2, 4, 6, -- 2 ) Lw
( 2, 3, 5, -- 1 ) ( 1, 4, 5, -- 2 ) ( 2, 3, 5, -- 6 ) ( 1, 4, 5, -- 4 ) LLLw
50 Spins
I didn't think it would work lol
In roulette, there is no such thing as rare pattern. Each pattern is equally likely to occur.
I'm not even gonna charge you $500 for that.
Quote from: mistarlupo on February 05, 2011, 09:00:36 PM
In roulette, there is no such thing as rare pattern. Each pattern is equally likely to occur.
I'm not even gonna charge you $500 for that.
I didn't charge either. But I did bother to do all the work on it. You have also failed to do any work on proving the none existence of the rare pattern. I could prove to you the existence of patterns, trends, dominances, and global effects. But you are perfect the way you are now. I couldn't have done a better job on you if my goal was to make you exceptionally adroit and adept. In your case a million dollars wouldn't help.
If you had been using a 5 step progression you wouldn't have busted out.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 06, 2011, 02:56:32 PM
I didn't charge either. But I did bother to do all the work on it. You have also failed to do any work on proving the none existence of the rare pattern. I could prove to you the existence of patterns, trends, dominances, and global effects. But you are perfect the way you are now. I couldn't have done a better job on you if my goal was to make you exceptionally adroit and adept. In your case a million dollars wouldn't help.
i would like you to predict a pattern on a one time spin!
every spin is a one time spin, you can keep spinning and alow yourself to think there is a pattern forming, you still cant predict whats going to happen.
unless you you can predict one spin pattern then nothing you come up with will work, not even gizmo ranting will work, but at least he knows that.
Quote from: darrynf on February 14, 2011, 05:54:36 PM
I would like you to predict a pattern on a one time spin!
every spin is a one time spin, you can keep spinning and alow yourself to think there is a pattern forming, you still cant predict whats going to happen.
unless you you can predict one spin pattern then nothing you come up with will work, not even gizmo ranting will work, but at least he knows that.
OK, the next unique spin, incapable of being anything but an independent event itself happens to be half way through a streak of 14 reds in a row. So for the next 7 spins it will be red. As you can see, after the fact, 14 spins in a row are all made up of 14 independent events. But you need it to be some kind of magical prediction like a prophet of all roulette or something totally lame like that.. Too bad you need that. You have never been able to avoid that. So avoid it now. You know, there's your predictor of a trend really. You can't see beyond prediction and predictors. Now it's your turn to rant, PKB.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 14, 2011, 06:00:30 PM
OK, the next unique spin, incapable of being anything but an independent event itself happens to be half way through a streak of 14 reds in a row. So for the next 7 spins it will be red. As you can see, after the fact, 14 spins in a row are all made up of 14 independent events. But you need it to be some kind of magical prediction like a prophet of all roulette or something totally lame like that.. Too bad you need that. You have never been able to avoid that. So avoid it now. You know, there's your predictor of a trend really. You can't see beyond prediction and predictors. Now it's your turn to rant, PKB.
This is gobbledegook - I see all red on my marquee all the time - same with black - it means nothing at all. The next spin will be 48.65% Red and 48.65% Black with Green at 2.7%.
There is NOTHING more you can read into the next spin - there is no science or math to help us here.
You can capture any kind of random numbers and you will see exactly the same - randomness.
Why is it that folks can't accept randomness - it just puzzles me.
If you wish to argue the point just put on a live demo - you can show us there............
P.S.
At some point the excuses just speak for themselves - you can't beat randomness and it becomes more clear with every excuse.
Isn't it about time you did us the courtesy of either backing up your claims or just admitting they don't exist?
This really is getting old........(but it's entertaining, I must say that)
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 14, 2011, 06:13:55 PM
Isn't it about time you did us the courtesy of either backing up your claims or just admitting they don't exist?
This really is getting old........(but it's entertaining, I must say that)
OK, let's try it right now. I'll trust that you are reporting the real spins that came up with your favorite live wheel. My browser might be able to keep up with just the chat window here. I need enough time to see the last spin and to get a bet down before the next ball lands. So somebody is going to post the last spin as soon as it happens. Of course there will need to be others watching that can confirm the spins are real. If chat can keep up then why not do it now.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 14, 2011, 06:28:03 PM
OK, let's try it right now. I'll trust that you are reporting the real spins that came up with your favorite live wheel. My browser might be able to keep up with just the chat window here. I need enough time to see the last spin and to get a bet down before the next ball lands. So somebody is going to post the last spin as soon as it happens. Of course there will need to be others watching that can confirm the spins are real. If chat can keep up then why not do it now.
No way Jose!
I'm not getting involved in any test; you set up the time and we will be there.
It's your show, not mine.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 14, 2011, 06:33:21 PM
No way Jose!
I'm not getting involved in any test; you set up the time and we will be there.
It's your show, not mine.....
I'll do it any time I have the free time. I don't care. The only thing stopping me is this internet connection refit. A simple test to see spins reported at the chat is all it takes. Let's see that. If my browser will update the chat fast enough then this will work.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 14, 2011, 06:40:50 PM
I'll do it any time I have the free time. I don't care. The only thing stopping me is this internet connection refit. A simple test to see spins reported at the chat is all it takes. Let's see that. If my browser will update the chat fast enough then this will work.
That's fine; you're simply offering proof to your claims.
I wish you luck and await the time announcement.
meet me in chat right now just to see how fast the chat works?
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 14, 2011, 06:56:36 PM
meet me in chat right now just to see how fast the chat works?
I'm there....
my window is stuck at: "Loading settings... 0%"
Let me know when you get the demo working - going on a snowboard vacation shortly so 12 hrs notice would be great for me.