I will bring some active and interested members together.I am rather successful on internet and I will share my experience.But how? I will active and high interested members invite for a roulette playersclub here on VLS. The participants pay VIRTUAL 500 euros.The number of participants is limited to 20.So the starting capital is 20000 euro.
I play my strategy on a RNG real internet casino.Members are allowed to watch every session I am playing.They were invited to log in on my PC.For the different members I will play in different timezones.W can also try several internet casinos.I don`t play live wheels .They are too slow.On the forum we can discuss every session about what happens during the sessions.My goal is to prove to double the starting capital in 3 month.
Everyone can use the sessions to raise his own knowledge and Skill.
I have started a new email address >rouletteplayersclub@hotmail.nl < to contact me and drop your suggestions.You can also PM me
I take it you will be using SSB?
How can you invite people to log in on your PC to watch you play? I do not understand.
That is very easy.Every participant becomes an email with in log code about 15 minutes before starting a session You are not obliged to watch a whole session.That is up to you.I will limit the number of members because a limited number
participants can share my pc.
I can't watch you play because most roulette websites do not work with the playstation browser. You usually need to have IE or Firefox. Or can I?
Why do all this?
Just follow these easy instructions and 500 people can watch live Roulette and no codes or anything else needed:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/if-you-want-to-demonstrate-your-system-in-public/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/if-you-want-to-demonstrate-your-system-in-public/)
Let us know when.........
When I click on the link "Live Auto Roulette Wheel" and "Free Play" I just get a black screen. It is not compatible with the playstation 3 browser. I do not have Internet Explorer or Firefox :(
Quote from: col1879 on February 12, 2011, 03:08:16 PM
It is not compatible with the playstation 3 browser. I do not have Internet Explorer or Firefox
I've noticed you've said that many times.
Do you even have a computer available to you?
If not, why not? If you're going to eventually play "online" and make money, you'll need one, right?
Or have I once again completely missed the idea on this one?
AD
I sometimes go to my local library to use a PC but they do not allow visiting gambling websites. I do not have a PC because I do not have the money right now. I had to get rid of my last PC because it got a virus and kept breaking down. With the strategies I have learnt I will most likely visit b&m casinos or play live wheel on the television. If I eventually find a system that I think will perform well at online RNG then I will save up and buy a PC. You did not miss anything.
OK, thanks.
I'll consider myself updated and informed!
AD
It is very frustrating only having a playstation 3. I cannot download any of the strategies from the download section of this forum. I cannot download and view any of the spreadsheets of spins from the AP section. I cannot download and run the RX software to test any systems. I cannot play in play mode on most casino websites, only a couple work. Even then, they usually crash every ten minutes and I have to refresh the screen. I cannot view any pdf documents. I cannot even update my ipod from itunes! :(
Sell the bloody PS3 and get a computer.
A decent set up these days is about $250. :)
I have demonstrated my live wagering on internet.Several of my excelprograms are download many many times.Other members I gave advice. Most discussions have not a high standard and bled dead.My thoughts about strategies I share with a very few members.
I Will not only demonstrate a successful play but also a good discussion.On the forum there must be sufficient interested members who have the same ideas.
It sounds like many here are using money or time, that should be used for essentials like getting a PC and high speed internet, and wasting time on gambling systems.
I would never suggest to anyone that they use essential money/time for any kind of gambling related activities - that includes wasting time on gambling chat rooms.
There seems to be many here doing just that - my suggestion to those folks who don't have a PC and high speed internet is to spend your time at a part time job or sell stuff on eBay and get the proper equipment to continue your research.
And of course no real betting must ever take place with "essential money", only money you have that is earmarked for entertainment and that you WILL spend in one way or the other and it won't ever come back.....
P.S.
I can assure you that NO ONE here has broken Roulette - if they did we would read about them buying private jets, mansions, and football teams and their profession would be listed as "Professional Roulette Gambler".
MauiS I have tried you suggestion for demonstate my wagering.Immediately after touching the chat button my PC crasted.CAD also gave no response..I had to restart my PC.Sorry I do not blaim you.
On that site it is possible to play in public, but I am also interested in the people who are watching.
***************** I can assure you that NO ONE here has broken Roulette - if they did we would read about them buying private jets, mansions, and football teams and their profession would be listed as "Professional Roulette Gambler". ***********************
I watched a tv program a couple of years ago about a maths guy who said he made millions fron roulette. Then he went on and made billions from investing in the stock market. At the end you saw him standing next to his own private jet. Funnily enough, he did not share his secrets lol
Quote from: col1879 on February 13, 2011, 11:31:25 AM
***************** I can assure you that NO ONE here has broken Roulette - if they did we would read about them buying private jets, mansions, and football teams and their profession would be listed as "Professional Roulette Gambler". ***********************
I watched a tv program a couple of years ago about a maths guy who said he made millions fron roulette. Then he went on and made billions from investing in the stock market. At the end you saw him standing next to his own private jet. Funnily enough, he did not share his secrets lol
These are all phony rumors, and anything you get from TV is bogus - show me links and I'll spend a few minutes and debunk this all.
There is NO way to out-fox the Roulette wheel - none, zip, zilch.
I do believe that money management might have a chance and that's what I'm pursuing; I don't put much hope in finding a "solution" but this is just entertainment for me, I'm an engineer and live for this kind of stuff.
The Roulette wheel spins and the ball falls on a number - there is NO way to guess what the next number will be - zip, zilch, none. There is NO math to back up forecasting of the next random number from the wheel or a RNG.
Personally, I'm working on the definition of "win" and "Loss" in a money management system - that has little to do with the Roulette wheel's number and everything to do with money management. If I ever get anywhere I'll demo it here for you guys in real time. But don't hold your breath; I'm not.
Quote from: col1879 on February 13, 2011, 11:31:25 AM
***************** I can assure you that NO ONE here has broken Roulette - if they did we would read about them buying private jets, mansions, and football teams and their profession would be listed as "Professional Roulette Gambler". ***********************
I watched a tv program a couple of years ago about a maths guy who said he made millions fron roulette. Then he went on and made billions from investing in the stock market. At the end you saw him standing next to his own private jet. Funnily enough, he did not share his secrets lol
people which beat roulette will never advertise it and will hide it as much as possible. but they do. quietly. If u let the casino know u can beat roulette then that's it. U will be banned right away. That's why u can not have private jets and palaces and and can't list yourself as "professional casino player". People which are really professional roulette players have to be very careful, win much less than they really are capable of. And it is very easy to make yourself recognized and thus be banned from different casinos.
I know a few people (not personally but virtually) which participate (or participated) in those boards which make their living on roulette. And I know a few which consistently win more than they lose. I won't tell who they are, if they want they will tell about themselves. It is possible one way or another. But very few people are capable of it. I am not. At least not yet.
and about mechanical systems -- that's right, no mechanical system spin after spin after spin for long time can beat roulette. People which do beat roulette by using some mechanical systems, will use them some special way like hit-and-run, analyzing patterns, and so on. If u just sit in the casino every day long hours and play even the best method the same way all the time -- u gonna lose for sure.
there are also non-mechanical (rather physical) ways to beat the wheel. they are more successful, but they are much harder to apply. Most successful players use them one way or another.
Quote from: iggiv on February 13, 2011, 02:07:50 PM
people which beat roulette will never advertise it and will hide it as much as possible. but they do. quietly. If u let the casino know u can beat roulette then that's it. U will be banned right away. That's why u can not have private jets and palaces and and can't list yourself as "professional casino player". People which are really professional roulette players have to be very careful, win much less than they really are capable of. And it is very easy to make yourself recognized and thus be banned from different casinos.
I know a few people (not personally but virtually) which participate (or participated) in those boards which make their living on roulette. And I know a few which consistently win more than they lose. I won't tell who they are, if they want they will tell about themselves. It is possible one way or another. But very few people are capable of it. I am not. At least not yet.
Is this like the car companies buying up the "water into gasoline" patents all those crazy inventors?
They too claim that science hasn't caught up to them yet.
Guys, you can't turn water into gasoline nor predict future Roulette spins - science can't help us with these two tasks....
if u put roulette wheel on 30 degrees off horizontal and glue some heavy peace of metal on its edge will it be too hard to guess where the ball will land? Or will it be to hard to predict if a number hits 7 times in a row, then next time it won't hit for sure?
i made it look absurd of course -- but imagine someone modifying those principles into some successful way? Too hard to imagine? Never say never.
Quote from: iggiv on February 13, 2011, 02:25:52 PM
if u put roulette wheel on 30 degrees off horizontal and glue some heavy peace of metal on its edge will it be too hard to guess where the ball will land? Or will it be to hard to predict if a number hits 7 times in a row, then next time it won't hit for sure?
I made it look absurd of course -- but imagine someone modifying those principles into some successful way? Too hard to imagine? Never say never.
Can you imagine the problem the folks have on the International Space Station - no gravity at all!
Let's get real - I'm guessing that there are bubble levels on the Roulette table that make sure the table is level on 2 axis. I'm also guessing that the state gaming commission checks this periodically too.
If this is what's needed to forecast future spins then crazy inventors and crazy gamblers might be one in the same!
So who can forecast future Roulette spins and turn water into gasoline?
calm down. u r right. nobody can beat roulette as nobody can turn water into gasoline or iron into gold. if u wanna believe it then no problem. I am not gonna convince u other way.
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on February 13, 2011, 02:50:13 PM
Casino gaming is NOT a substitute for work . It has only entertainment value. Whoever thinks otherwise is a fool.
I am enjoying roulette in a casino. I have several excellent systems at my disposal which are a guarantee not to lose more than the casino `s edge . That`s all I allow the casino for giving me entertainment.
Only suckers keep casinos in business for us to ENJOY. :ok:
Nathan Detroit.
On a European wheel that means you removed 1/37 risk from Roulette, the Green 0; leaving EC wagers at 50/50 - flipping a coin.
I don't know, turning water into alcohol sounds better to me - just throw in sugar and yeast and you're part of the way to gasoline but it still won't power your car.....
The guy on the tv show did not say that he discovered the holy grail, just that he was very good with numbers. He did not have to worry about being banned from casinos when he made the tv show because he had already made millions from playing roulette and then billions from the stock market. I think it was on itv or channel 4 ages ago.
Quote from: col1879 on February 13, 2011, 06:28:58 PM
The guy on the tv show did not say that he discovered the holy grail, just that he was very good with numbers. He did not have to worry about being banned from casinos when he made the tv show because he had already made millions from playing roulette and then billions from the stock market. I think it was on itv or channel 4 ages ago.
I don't believe that for a second - TV is full of lies 24/7 - there is no need for truth on TV - truth doesn't sell anything, wild, crazy stories, like from the National Enquirer, sell - truth, no.
None of this can be verified so instead of millions substitute billions and instead of billions substitute trillions - that makes for a better story.
I keep telling you guys that if someone can break Roulette there is a Nobel Prize in Mathematics awaiting that person.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 13, 2011, 06:32:43 PM
I don't believe that for a second - TV is full of lies 24/7 - there is no need for truth on TV - truth doesn't sell anything, wild, crazy stories, like from the National Enquirer, sell - truth, no.
None of this can be verified so instead of millions substitute billions and instead of billions substitute trillions - that makes for a better story.
I keep telling you guys that if someone can break Roulette there is a Nobel Prize in Mathematics awaiting that person.....
sorry, it is only for this one who can break it mathematically by a certain consistent winning method. U don't feel the difference. Even Wizard of Ods (wizarodofods.com) does not deny the fact that some people may consistently beat roulette. His point is that it can not be beaten with any mathematical method. Meaning is that this method
should be applied consistently on milliard of spins and prove that after this there is still a plus. This is impossible for sure. What possible is that there are other ways to defeat roulette....Non-mathematical. Dealer signature and certain trends in roulette and physical defects of roulette wheels have nothing to do with math and probability laws.
Quote from: iggiv on February 13, 2011, 06:48:31 PM
sorry, it is only for this one who can break it mathematically by a certain consistent winning method. U don't feel the difference. Even Wizard of Ods (wizarodofods.com) does not deny the fact that some people may consistently beat roulette. His point is that it can not be beaten with any mathematical method. Meaning is that this method
should be applied consistently on milliard of spins and prove that after this there is still a plus. This is impossible for sure. What possible is that there are other ways to defeat roulette....Non-mathematical. Dealer signature and certain trends in roulette and physical defects of roulette wheels have nothing to do with math and probability laws.
I have NO doubt there are natural born gamblers who do great at casinos - I've met such a person.
They can't teach what they have - it's like looking at a great artist or musician - they just have a gift.
If there is such a person that can defeat Roulette, who is not a natural born gambler, it is extremely easy to demonstrate that ability - here live in front of us. They don't have to say a word - just demo in front of a live audience with a live TV Roulette wheel.
But that's something I don't expect to see in my lifetime.
That doesn't mean I won't dig into systems - I consider myself a gold miner - I've got to move tons and tons of junk in order to find the smallest of nugget. One such little nugget can make a huge difference............
u contradict yourself bud. once u don't believe it and then out of sudden u do.
Quote from: iggiv on February 13, 2011, 07:31:11 PM
u contradict yourself bud. once u don't believe it and then out of sudden u do.
Not at all.
I believe there are gifted folks who are great gamblers - they don't use any kind of system - they don't have to they are just born with a gift of being lucky.
They can play Roulette and win - I have no doubt of this. However, over the long run they lose but they can have fantastic winning streaks and know when its time to stop gambling Roulette.
That doesn't mean they can sell their "system" - it doesn't exist, you can't buy it and you can't learn it.
Again, that person could demo their skills on a live chat room and if they sell a system they could sell lots of those systems too.
None of them work.
There are more mutual funds than stocks and not one mutual fund can hold a candle to the DJIA over a long period of time. Doesn't mean that there aren't lots of these guys going on TV boasting how great they are. Truth is they run hundreds of mutual funds and over any 20 year period some will do better than the DJIA but if you average them out they do worse.
But all you hear on TV is those few that did great in the last 20 years - next year they crash and make up for it.
If there were a way to beat Roulette Vegas would rip out the tables/machines and replace them with more slot machines. That's all the proof you need to know that nobody is beating Roulette - nobody....
u need to read this
nolinks://books.google.ca/books?id=SxK26cPyQvAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=killer+roulette&source=bl&ots=hI950eCNUz&sig=sUsmEhNt_CwokgeyvyP66SExIG8&hl=en&ei=xGlYTYO8NIa6tgfN_9SIDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false (nolinks://books.google.ca/books?id=SxK26cPyQvAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=killer+roulette&source=bl&ots=hI950eCNUz&sig=sUsmEhNt_CwokgeyvyP66SExIG8&hl=en&ei=xGlYTYO8NIa6tgfN_9SIDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false)
there were quite a few cases when professionals ripped casinos. it was not a luck, it was a result of work.
it this was like u say casino pitbosses, security personnel would not care, but they do.
Quote from: iggiv on February 13, 2011, 08:33:41 PM
u need to read this
nolinks://books.google.ca/books?id=SxK26cPyQvAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=killer+roulette&source=bl&ots=hI950eCNUz&sig=sUsmEhNt_CwokgeyvyP66SExIG8&hl=en&ei=xGlYTYO8NIa6tgfN_9SIDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false (nolinks://books.google.ca/books?id=SxK26cPyQvAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=killer+roulette&source=bl&ots=hI950eCNUz&sig=sUsmEhNt_CwokgeyvyP66SExIG8&hl=en&ei=xGlYTYO8NIa6tgfN_9SIDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false)
there were quite a few cases when professionals ripped casinos. it was not a luck, it was a result of work.
it this was like u say casino pitbosses, security personnel would not care, but they do.
Good grief, I hope you don't believe one word from that book!
The guy is selling a $19.95 book - that's all.
If you believe one word then I've got a timeshare I'd like to sell you for cheap.
Come one guys this is no proof just folks spreading tall-tails trying to make a buck or two selling their book.
The book has no reviews - nobody believes this guy - I sure don't; the author is a poker player and maybe he does good there but forget the Roulette stories.
this book doesn't claim to TEACH u. this book tells stories. u may not believe them. i am not gonna convince u. u r convinced already. i wonder why r u still searching for the way to beat roulette? it doesn't exist
Quote from: iggiv on February 13, 2011, 09:20:24 PM
this book doesn't claim to TEACH u. this book tells stories. u may not believe them. I am not gonna convince u. u r convinced already. I wonder why r u still searching for the way to beat roulette? it doesn't exist
Great question - I know that you can't forecast the next number spun by the Roulette wheel - there is no math that suggests it can be done.
However, money management is 100% under your control and there might be something there - I'm here looking for ideas.
Big, big difference.....
I started this thread to meet rouletteplayers who are interested in strategies.There are so many replies I can`t answer them all. I don`t believe in the HG in spite of that I gave my critical comments.Most designers have too less knowledge of maths and stats .The knowledge of randomrows is the basic for successful playing roulette.
I can show it in public .Perhaps is this the reason nobody have called me a scammer.
MauiS why do you believe only in a show on a live wheel.In my opinion there is no difference in a random row of a live wheel and a RNG.I know the software of the casino can be manipulated.A real live wheel van also be mechanical manipulated.A live wheel presentation on internet can also be an illusion
Quote from: schoenpoetser on February 14, 2011, 08:39:48 AM
I started this thread to meet rouletteplayers who are interested in strategies.There are so many replies I can`t answer them all. I don`t believe in the HG in spite of that I gave my critical comments.Most designers have too less knowledge of maths and stats .The knowledge of randomrows is the basic for successful playing roulette.
I can show it in public .Perhaps is this the reason nobody have called me a scammer.
MauiS why do you believe only in a show on a live wheel.In my opinion there is no difference in a random row of a live wheel and a RNG.I know the software of the casino can be manipulated.A real live wheel van also be mechanical manipulated.A live wheel presentation on internet can also be an illusion
Why on earth would a casino ever cheat?
They already have a gold mine, cheating is a stupid idea for them - they know that it's easy for folks to take their spins and test for randomness - take 10,000 spins and if Green 0 came up twice as many as any other number then attention would be drawn.
The casinos spend their time making it more enjoyable to visit their casino - but screwing around with wheels that are live is a really dumb idea, and not needed at all. If anything the casinos should be getting rid of the European wheel and replacing them with American - double their profits in an instant.
There is no way to manipulate a live spinning wheel on TV - none, zip, zilch.
I encourage those of you who believe they have something to demo it here in real time - you don't have to say one word - if we can figure out what you are doing so can any casino, either brick & mortar or on the internet. If their computers catch someone winning more than they should they will look into it and they have the resources to figure out what you are doing.
So those of you who worry about someone stealing your hard work you have a problem - someone will if you play Roulette anywhere..........
Quote from: schoenpoetser on February 14, 2011, 08:39:48 AM
I started this thread to meet rouletteplayers who are interested in strategies.There are so many replies I can`t answer them all. I don`t believe in the HG in spite of that I gave my critical comments.Most designers have too less knowledge of maths and stats .The knowledge of randomrows is the basic for successful playing roulette.
I can show it in public .Perhaps is this the reason nobody have called me a scammer.
MauiS why do you believe only in a show on a live wheel.In my opinion there is no difference in a random row of a live wheel and a RNG.I know the software of the casino can be manipulated.A real live wheel van also be mechanical manipulated.A live wheel presentation on internet can also be an illusion
"In my opinion there is no difference in a random row of a live wheel and a RNG."
not long ago i thought just like u but recently i paid attention that it is not entirely true. And we are not talking "rigged RNG", rather normal RNG (like built in RX). If u analyze trends and patterns comparing RNG and live wheel -- u may see some difference, and sometimes it may be significant for your betting
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Iggiv I agree with you.In the club I offer to do demonstrations on RNG roulette of the choice of participants.There is also a possibility I play on the PC of a participant.I have done it before to play a bonus free.
What can I offer members of the club?
a. Explain the theory of Blaise Pascal
b. Analise excelprograms for different chances
c. compute EV for systems
d. excelprograms for systems
e. betting schemes
f. basic rules for strategies
g. live demonstration
For communication with members I have started > rouletteplayersclub@hotmail.nl <.For every demonstration the members shall recheave the in log code.Another possibility is to SKYPE me (bouma jaap).
I will give my records of the past weeks.I started at18-02-2011 with 1000 units or dollars and now I have >3000 units.
You can controle the stats.All session lasted less than a hour and the profit was more than 50 units .I didnot lost one session.
This is the last stat.
Only one question what was the average bet in Euros or Dollars
Thanks.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
I play for every chances a special strategy. Sometimes more than 2 strategies for one spin.The betting schemes are different for the differens chances.The profit per session is 2% to 12%.
On the European casinos you can play dollars or euros.
Thanks.
N.D.
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
P.S. Your profit expectations are withn the super intelligent and intelligent rexpectation range. Easily attainable.
Col1879:Go to one of my latest reply and study my stats.How do you explain there is no session with a lost On average the profit is 100 units(dollars or euros) The average time of a session is about 45 minutes.
Quote from: schoenpoetser on February 27, 2011, 07:45:58 AM
Col1879:Go to one of my latest reply and study my stats.How do you explain there is no session with a lost On average the profit is 100 units(dollars or euros) The average time of a session is about 45 minutes.
I cannot study your stats because I do not have a PC. I'll take you word for it that you did not lose a session. I sent you a pm weeks ago asking you to explain to me how SSB works as I was interested but you never replied. From reading posts I've deduced it has something to do with EC bets and standard deviation. Waiting for <15 then flat betting opposite. Is that right? Is SSB posted in full systems? I cannot find it. Thanks
p.s. Have you bought anything nice with your winnings?
Hi col
The problem is how can I send you documentation? Do you have a normal email adres and can you open attachments?
If you email me I can go to the library sometime and use a PC there to view it. My email address is on my profile. Thanks.
col
schoenpoetser,
wow that's VERY IMPRESSIVE. I thought u were playing only dozens? great results indeed. :thumbsup:
Congrats!