I suck with subject lines. Well, I've been messing with another form of trend betting. I posted something similar in the past but I have it nailed down damn good.
Lets say 45 spins per hour (live or airball). 7 hours per day max., 315 total spins. I am looking for a lousy +3 units on the even bets. Yep, +3 and go home. I bet $200 per spin, so that's +$600 net, go home. My BR.....$5,600. It is a lot, I admit that but $200 per, I need it to be high. I can't walk in with 1K.
Like I posted in the past, I start off with either red or black. Betting on the LAST to show. Hoping to catch a nice streak. If it gets choppy (open to interpretation), I switch to odd/even. If that gets choppy, back to red/black. I really don't mess with high/low, just my preference.
Think about it, +3 in 315 spins, that's it. I believe in the higher bets as opposed to a goal of $600 BUT using $25 units, screw that. I have played over 23 times and have NEVER lost. Worse case so far? Down $3,800. My best? A few times I have won on the FIRST 3 spins, went home. Show me where you can't get to +3 in 315 spins.
Ken
Great job Ken. May I suggest an idea. If you don't get way down those few times that it happens then you don't have to dig your way back out. I have learned to hunt down and find the most optimal stretches that come and go. If you don't dig a big hole searching for them then you can get your +3 with less strain. Only one way to do this. Don't bet every bet while you search. You can play from a standing position and just by reaching in for the few bets that really pay off. If you practice doing this you will perfect doing it with your own style and meaning. After all, you are seeing the trends your way. That's your own already.
......and I am considering (drum roll), $300 per so I only need +2 units, go home. A higher BR would be needed but who in the hell cant get to +2? The key is not to get greedy.
Ken
You are a smart guy, and probably the most qualified person on this board regarding progressions. I came up with a quick progression to get to +3. I used 1, 3, 7, 15 to get 1, 2, 3, 4 in one to four steps respectively. Now we both know that you don't have to just bang away at it in four succinct steps. You can wait for each step of that progression. In a way, play it smart.
Now I played around with it for a while. You must treat it as a single event if you are to use trends and randomness for the bet selection process. If you lose, you lose 26. If you run that progression for only for three steps then all you lose is 11. You win at around four to eight times for each loss. It varies because randomness varies. So if you are good at reading those conditions you can bang away and get +3 in just three spins. It's really fun to experiment with this. You will see times that just work great. And you will know that they would be great before you go for it. Some times randomness just lines up and opens up opportunities. I'll bet you can beat me doing this. I mean that you can win more sessions than I would in shorter time.
Ken did you see my stats of the rouletteplayersclub.Never a lost session.Members can watch me how I do this.
Hi J,
Here's a quick run I done myself. I'm guessing you're just using your own intuition on when to switch to odds/evens, rather than if you're a certain amount of units down.
LWWLWLLLWLWWLWWWLLWWL +1, decided to switch here
LLLWWWLWLWLLLLWWWWWW +3
BW
Mr J, if you're going to play a negative expectation game, you're going the right way about it. :thumbsup:
What I don't understand is why you choose to play roulette at over 5% HA when you could play baccarat or craps which only has one third of the vig. Those zeros add up!
I know someone who claims to do a similar thing, he plays craps and aims for $200/day (+2 units) betting "decision before last". But he does have a reserve of $50,000. :)
Big bankroll needed and danger of growing a long beard or even get retired during session of 300 spins.
It is boring and you need iron patience and lot of coffee because you can easily fall a sleep. In land casino your marathon appearance will draw huge attention of pit bosses. You will know them soon all by the name!
Not practical at all. Why not call the system Hiroshima?
Cheers Hermes
"It is boring and you need iron patience and lot of coffee because you can easily fall a sleep. In land casino your marathon appearance will draw huge attention of pit bosses. You will know them soon all by the name!" >>> Regardless of the method, MOST times I play 6-12 hours, not a big deal. Like I said with THIS method, you can get to +3 in under an hour, go home!
Yes, I do know pit and floor by their names, again, who cares? They are not gonna say, 'Oh oh, Ken is here, shut the place down'.
Also, we have airball roulette which I play maybe 30% of the time. Having patience is the LEAST of my concern. I mastered patience/waiting a LONG TIME ago.
Getting to +2 or +3 units on the EC's in 315 is very easy but because most people play $10-$25 per unit, +3 (go home) is not possible. Who is gonna go home with a $20 profit? Not many, not me.
Ken
I think you forgot about the 0 (euro wheel) 0r even worse still the extra 0 on the 00 (usa) ken. Big bets on even chances for me at least I would say very risky and betting on the zero's to cover the bet sucks big time , the green bits always hit when you least expect it. 200 dollars down and green hits then time to get the anti depressants out. ;D
The amount of times the green has hit when I put bigger bets on even chances I think I can remember them all each and every miserable one.
As far as a zero rule? I forget nothing. If a zero(s) hits, I bet on the outcome beforehand. A zero hitting does suck but its a loss regardless. Come on guys.......+3 for the ENTIRE day of playing? For the people playing with $10 units, they DON'T notice +3. At $200 per, you will (or should) notice it.
Ken
Another great idea, Ken!
Ron.
I played today, $200 per bet. Got to +3 ($600) in around 75 minutes. The red/black was a bit choppy so I switched and I'm glad I did. I CAUGHT a nice streak of even numbers, hit my goal, went home.
Ken
Ken,
I like all your systems, except this.
IMO, I think the method on its own is stable. However, the unit size is not for everyone. I would find it VERY hard to believe that a person cant get to +3 on the EC's in 315 spins.
Ken
the maths say you must pick wrong. more times then right.
how big is your bankroll if your playing 200 units and walking away +3 units.
Quote from: pins on March 03, 2011, 06:30:14 PM
the maths say you must pick wrong. more times then right.
Just got home, another $600. I agree, the zeros hitting sucks. This isn't tough. One of the EC's gets choppy.....switch to stop the bleeding. If its NOT choppy, stay on it. Not switching is a 'good' thing, it means something. lol Our history boards hold 13 numbers. This is what I love to see >>
12, 22, 36, 30, 18, 4, 36, 31 (a loss), 11, 21, 27, 27, 9, 1, 11 <<< Those are actuals from today.
I also keep track in my notebook, just in case. This is how I write it, 4 choices.
RO
RE
LO
LE (L means black).
Ken
Quote from: pauljwpa on March 03, 2011, 06:32:13 PM
how big is your bankroll if your playing 200 units and walking away +3 units.
$5,600 BR. ($600 win goal)
Ken
its a good idea and concept mr j, how ever most people dont have that b.r.
its still a very good idea.
if you get a loss, do you use progression ?
if so how many steps do you go before you stop, your whole b.r ?
Try using this system below within your system.
Its based on the radio waves principle ie at some stage the wins and losses must cross when betting on the even chances.
It fits in neatly with your own strategy as you only need to win +3 in every 315 wins.
OK so you have 3 SS's in this system.
SS1 = bet same as winner last time
SS2 = bet opposite to winner last time
SS3 = 2 the same, ie AABBAABB
Always look at table before you start. Pick the table where you spot a streak. Start to play that streak using SS1. Play until you get 4 losses in a row then swap to SS2 for 2 spins then back to SS1. If still in trouble play SS3 for 4 spins and then back to SS1.
The idea is that you keep returning to SS1 only moving away from it when another SS is streaking...... Built into the strategy are the change points and its pretty good and sure should work well if you only need to be +3 each session.
I have played this flat betting and increasing. When increasing I add 1 chip after every loss to my bet and take 1 chip away everytime I win. When you get to +3 you would stop.
I play this system on all the three even chances at the same time. This is tricky but after some practise is not too hard.
I do this as insurance. I only need one 'even chance' to hit a nice streak and the profits add and add.
Highly recommend you look at this Mr J if you only need +3 a session.
"Highly recommend you look at this Mr J if you only need +3 a session" >>> Of course it does depend on the unit size but I'll look it over, thanks.
Ken
Quote from: darrynf on March 08, 2011, 04:10:25 AM
its a good idea and concept mr j, how ever most people dont have that b.r.
its still a very good idea.
if you get a loss, do you use progression ?
if so how many steps do you go before you stop, your whole b.r ?
Mr J
please answer. so that we can understand your exact way of playing.
thanks
catalyst
Quote from: darrynf on March 08, 2011, 04:10:25 AM
its a good idea and concept mr j, how ever most people dont have that b.r.
its still a very good idea.
if you get a loss, do you use progression ?
if so how many steps do you go before you stop, your whole b.r ?
I dont use a progression. I WOULD use my entire BR if it got to that, no biggie. I would have to be MINUS 28 bets to lose it all. I still play this and I love it but at $200 a pop, its not for everyone. Thats the advantage of a higher BR. Joe Smith (the broke guy) and myself have the SAME goal, $600, then leave. I only need to be plus 3. His BR is 1K and his bets are $20 a pop. Good luck Joe Smith. :sarcastic:
Ken
Mr J
may i askyou how do you play or what is your bet selection or money management?
your comments are appreciated.
happy hunting.
thanks
catalyst
I already posted it.
Ken
I thought about this a little more, I can meet some halfway, thats the best I can do. I would agree, lets say my method was based on betting on an EC for 500 spins per visit to the casino.
I would pick any EC and at the END of the 500 spins, the goal would be +3 units. All 500 spins must be met REGARDLESS if I hit +3 early on. I agree 100%, I would pick wrong more times than correct.
But thats NOT the method. Its +3 (quit). So where is the line drawn? Meaning, lets say my goal was +1 FOR THE DAY, then quit? To make it tougher, the units are not $200, they are $5 units.
Soooo, +$5 we'll say for 9 hours of play. Cant be done? I did not even touch on the subject of betting on the TREND, I left that out of the post.
Ken
Easy done ken. If you can settle for an easy strategy like follow the last, just name your bankroll and I will run it on real spins.
Target: + 3.
Bet selection: Follow the last, flat bet.
Bankroll: ?
I can tell you that I just tryed the strategy with a bankroll of 14 units and you lost the bankroll in Hamburg 02.10.1998 before you reached the target . (testing only 1 month. Failed on day 2)
Extending the bankroll to 25 units, you made it home on the 02.10.1998 but lost 25 units on 08.10.1998 before reaching the +3 target. Extending the bankroll to 50 units flat bet, your session finished with -31 on the 08.10.1998 and a new session starts from 0 the day after.
A couple points.
A) Nothing against you but I do not take seriously RESULTS from AP guys or from people that hate my guts. :give_heart: Can you imagine Snowjob posting 'true' results? It would never happen.
B) The rules of how I play would have to be followed. You posted results without knowing perfectly how I play, thats odd. Also, BR (for testing) would not matter. It would be +3 in....350 spins?
C) When to SWITCH because an EC is getting choppy, open to interpretation.
Ken
True, but you have on plenty of occasions given the impression that the main thing was to hang in there and quit at +3. You never said that the main thing to stay in profit was the bet selection. As for the results, they can be seen in a text file. They are NOT manipulated, im not digging into 9000 spins to try and make it go in minus. Thats not nessecary.
Quote from: Kelly on March 26, 2011, 05:11:35 PM
True, but you have on plenty of occasions given the impression that the main thing was to hang in there and quit at +3. You never said that the main thing to stay in profit was the bet selection. As for the results, they can be seen in a text file. They are NOT manipulated, im not digging into 9000 spins to try and make it go in minus. Thats not nessecary.
How I PLAY is the first post on this thread so there ARE rules to follow.
As far as your spins on file, this was my point......Lets say I start out betting on the last color. I dont need you to locate a file that starts out like this >>> RLRLRL <<< Right out of the gate, I'm in the hole on purpose. Nothing against you, just sayin.
Ken
There are a session where 50 units is lost before +3 is achieved. It lasts several hundreds of spins, it doesnt matter wether you start out a few units short or not. In that particular session you were at +1 at spin 4 (bet number 3).
Where is this list?
Ken
You mean the test ?
Yeah, what/where are these numbers?
I'll be eating dinner soon, so I'm not hiding. ;)
Ken
I will put them on a text file and send them to you. I just checked again. The one where 50 units are lost, I have asked the software to jump all datos so if a session is not finished on the day it continues. On the test where it seperates the days, the highest session loss was only 46, but it tests all numbers so if your goal is only the first session of each day, you have to run down the list and find where each day starts and note the result for that first session.
It lloks like this
01.10.1998
11
20 1 Schwarz 1,0 1,0 1,0
17 1 Schwarz 1,0 1,0 2,0
30 1 Schwarz -1,0 -1,0 1,0
25 1 Rot 1,0 1,0 2,0
First number is Black 11. So first bet is Black/Schwarz with 1.0 unit, which is a hit on number 20 black, so balance is 1.0
The 13th and the 14th are particular bad. Both days is just 1 session each day and none of them ends in profit.
13th -26
14th -30
A total of -56
Hopefully you were not playing those days with 200 dollars a piece.
On the 28th the first session finishes with +3 units but the second finishes at the end of the day in -46. Hopefully you werent 1/2 an hour late that day.
This actual month finishes a lot better by betting the second last which favours chops. But you still have a losing session of -44.
The first 30 is red, why does it say black?
What is this? >> ................ Partieende ................
In both tests the first numbers are as above. Partieende means end of session. Read the mail.
Ok, I have a couple points/questions. Any of the days that end negative but there not enough numbers, is not fair to me. At $5,600, -28 would be a losing day and go home. Granted, a damn large losing day. lol A few of the days have like 9 numbers. Who jots down only 9 numbers?
Also, I can tell you did not read my rules carefully, not a big deal Kelly. Meaning, on the right side you kept track of my running total *BUT* that is only taking into account, the COLOR. I noticed alot of the red/black getting CHOPPY which means......I would of switched to odd/even. (Like I said, I stay away from the high/low number bets). So lets say my running total is at -20. That is ONLY for the last color outcome.
Ken
The software i use is in some ways extremely advanced but in other ways, extremely clumsy. I doubt i would be able to test your way exactly as you play it. But i think spin dizzy could in roulette extreme. I haven`t bothered to learn that coding because i lost faith long before roulette extreme was created.
Anyway, my point was to show that Kriegmans postulate about just leaving when in profit, basicly regardless how you place your bets, does not hold water. There are days when you simply don`t get in profit not even if the target is +1.
Changing the subject....who was that guy from VIP (maybe a year ago) who coded stuff all the time but now has vanished? Do you remember his name by chance?
Ken