This is more my point. We'll say we have player 'A' and player 'B'.
Both players are flat bettors.
Both start playing at the same time, same table.
Both will be using the SAME method.
Both have a win goal of $600.
We have all read hundreds of times, the LONGER you stay playing, the HA catches up to you and you're DOOMED! Ok, I guess so.
One player has a BR of $500, using $15 units. The other player has a BR of $5,600, using $200 units.
ONE player only needs plus THREE units, then go home. The other player needs plus FORTY units before he can go home.
He is kind of screwed because he needs to PLAY LONGER.
Ken
The problem here is that the guy with the smaller BR has a win-goal disproportionate to his BR. His bet should be more like $20 and his win-goal more like $60.
You use the word 'should' and I do agree. However, MOST (not all) of the goofs will not be happy with $60 but MOST (not all) WILL walk in with under $500. Thats the issue, thats my point. They will still have an ok win goal, $400-$600 but they have to play LONGER. In my opinion, they are fu***d. I only need to be ahead THREE units on the EC's in 315 spins (est.) *AND* if I am really getting bored and need to leave, I'll take +2 units ($400). Not terrible.
Ken
Both players will also be exposed to drawdowns.
With big drawdowns the higher bankroll player could end up at the table longer than the lower bankroll player.
Both are under capitalized to launch a major attack against the casino. The higher BR player requires a bankroll of $ 18,000.-- and the lower bankroll player of $ 1, 800.-- .
The higher BR can shoot for a smaller WG which knowledgeable experienced okayer know already .
I am a firm believer in a proper bankroll based upon this formula. Nothing will ever alter my point of view.I am long enough at the tables.
A proper bankroll is based upon the table minimum OR the average bet wagered.
Not to forget to play only EC where the " en prison " or" le partage." rule is being offered.
N.D.
I was curious about this so I ran a simulation. With a 28 unit bank, ($5,600 @ 1u = $200) and a win goal of +3 units in a session of maximum length 315 spins, the results of 100,000 such sessions were (single zero wheel) :
% of sessions won = 78.580%
% of sessions lost = 11.869% (lost all 28 unit bank)
% of sessions which reached 315 spins without a definitive outcome = 9.551%
I re-ran the simulation with the bank cut to half (14 units instead of 28, with the same win goal of +3). The results in this case were:
% of sessions won = 19.447%
% of sessions lost = 58.899% (lost all 14 unit bank)
% of sessions which reached 315 spins without a definitive outcome = 21.654%
Naturally, in both cases the results were negative. In the long term all you're really doing is trading one parameter off against another, but it's surprising how much more likely it is that you'll win with the higher bank.
It is a interested riddle.The ratio lost and win is the same.On the long they shall lost the whole starting capital.If the bet ECs the game lasted 2 times longer if they bet other chances.If every spin is a lost ,player A has 33 spins and player B has 28 spins.Because the ratio is the same Player B bust first.Player A has the best chance to be the winner.
Where is the line drawn? We'll say $5 units, 2K BR, 450 total spins for the day and we'll say the win goal is $5 (1 unit), then quit. Betting based on catching a streak. Sooo, 1 unit per day?? Anybody who says it cant be done, I smell a challenge. I only need to be ahead ONE unit in 450 spins, for 'X' number of sessions.
Ken
Ken, it doesn't matter how many spins you have in a session, you can break it down however you like and it won't make any difference.
Here's the simulation of your scenario (400 units bank, session length 450 spins max, target +1 unit):
% of sessions won = 93.079%
% of sessions lost = 0%
% of sessions which reached 450 spins without a definitive outcome = 6.921%
Of these last, 11 reached 450 spins in a break even situation, the other 6908 were in a loss, ie; you were left with less than your original 400 unit bank. If you subtract the total losses of all these sessions from the 93,079 units you made in the winning sessions, the result is negative, even though you never lost your entire bank in any one session.
The only way to win is if you can somehow find a bet selection which on average, wins more than it loses. Thinking that you MUST be able to win if your target is small enough in relation to your bankroll is a fallacy. I used to believe the same thing but all the test results were the same; no matter how many winning sessions there were, even if there were 99.9% or more (using a progression) the total losses in the losing sessions always cancelled out the wins and more.
But how are you coming up with the math not knowing how/when/why a player would choose a certain EC?
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on March 04, 2011, 12:19:01 PM
But how are you coming up with the math not knowing how/when/why a player would choose a certain EC?
Ken
There is no difference - how would your way of play produce a higher hit ratio then any other method or have less downswings then any other way of play.
I answered that ALREADY but hang on......
Quote from: Mr J on March 04, 2011, 12:33:37 PM
I answered that ALREADY but hang on......
Well i have 1 hour then i have my friends over for dinner - but feel free to show me where you wrote about it - i would like to know your opinion or how you think.
Cheers
Let me ask the question this way. We have player 'A' and player 'B'.
Both players are interested in playing the last outcome of red/black or odd/even.
Lets say it looks like this >> RLRLLLRLRRLRL (L is black) Player 'A' (the idiot) is a hardnose and sticks to the last color regardless of anything. Player 'B' starts to see its getting CHOPPY and switches to odd/even OR takes a short break, no betting.
Are you gonna tell me BOTH players, using two different styles are going to have roughly the same results at the end of the day or the end of the month?
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on March 04, 2011, 12:37:46 PM
Let me ask the question this way. We have player 'A' and player 'B'.
Both players are interested in playing the last outcome of red/black or odd/even.
Lets say it looks like this >> RLRLLLRLRRLRL (L is black) Player 'A' (the idiot) is a hardnose and sticks to the last color regardless of anything. Player 'B' starts to see its getting CHOPPY and switches to odd/even OR takes a short break, no betting.
Are you gonna tell me BOTH players, using two different styles are going to have roughly the same results at the end of the day or the end of the month?
Ken
I see it like this as we talk about A and B - that there is about
time and
placed bets that will show who fail first.
As if you pick different position using any kind of formations or triggers you only
delay your amount of
placed bets and will lose less for the moment - but at the end you should have the same hit ratio as A as FLT and DBL is the same thing.
And if you change even money position how do you know that it wont get the same way as your previous distribution - is there a difference ?
Cheers
"And if you change even money position how do you know that it wont get the same way as your previous distribution - is there a difference?" >>> Can you clear that up?
Ken
I guess this is a debate of short term vs. long term. Do I think it matters? No but thats fine.
We'll say it looks like this >> RLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRL
Both players will be betting on the last outcome. Both want to catch a streak of the same that just hit! With me so far? Player 'A' is STRICT with his beliefs/rules. He stays on the example above and has LOST on every spin but tough s**t, those are his rules.
Player 'B' (myself) can see that it gets choppy (we'll say around the 5th loss) and EITHER switches his bet to odd/even OR takes a short break, no betting.
So you are saying, at the end of the day/month, BOTH players will finish around the same (both will bet the same unit size)? No damn way.
Ken
Quote
"And if you change even money position how do you know that it wont get the same way as your previous distribution - is there a difference?" >>> Can you clear that up?
Ken
Yes I can.
My question is do you use any kind of
pattern or
trigger or do you just
random jump over to other even money distribution if you see that the previous one is not working for you ?
And no matter what the answer is - do you believe there is a difference doing so ?
Cheers
I dont know if you posted your last thing while I was still typing? I SWITCH to odd/even if things get choppy with red/black. Same....if its choppy with odd/even, back to red/black. As far as 'choppy', its kind of open to interpretation. 5 losses in a row, 4 out of 6 losses etc......CHOPPY.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on March 04, 2011, 12:58:43 PM
I guess this is a debate of short term vs. long term. Do I think it matters? No but thats fine.
We'll say it looks like this >> RLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRL
Both players will be betting on the last outcome. Both want to catch a streak of the same that just hit! With me so far? Player 'A' is STRICT with his beliefs/rules. He stays on the example above and has LOST on every spin but tough s**t, those are his rules.
Player 'B' (myself) can see that it gets choppy (we'll say around the 5th loss) and EITHER switches his bet to odd/even OR takes a short break, no betting.
So you are saying, at the end of the day/month, BOTH players will finish around the same (both will bet the same unit size)? No damn way.
Ken
Ken the best result i succeed to get with even money is random against random using one static rule.
But i will say i don't play roulette systems and i wish you the best.
I'm not even sure its a system (or method), its seems more of a strategy. Not trying to argue with you but here is the situation. With my example above, a person can not say that both players will FINISH differently AND ALSO SAY......it makes no difference which EC you choose or why. I catch people doing things like this all the time. They want to be on both sides of the fence. Not saying you, I'm speaking in general terms. A person can not have BOTH opinions with my above example. If they say......"Correct Ken, both players will not finish the same".
That would open the floodgates. Why? Because that means that one strategy COULD be better than another strategy and we ALL KNOW......you are not allowed to do 'well' playing roulette, we are all doomed if we play this game. :girl_wacko:
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on March 04, 2011, 12:19:01 PM
But how are you coming up with the math not knowing how/when/why a player would choose a certain EC?
Ken
You've got me there. There isn't any math which can tell you that. But the math DOES say there isn't any difference in the end which bet selection you use, because your pattern of wins and losses will always be like this:
W ~ 50%
WW ~ 25%
WWW ~ 12.5%
WWWW ~ 6.25%
etc, and exactly the same pattern for the losses.
L ~ 50%
LL ~ 25%
LLL ~ 12.5%
LLLL ~ 6.25%
If you've had 23 straight winning sessions so far, that's pretty good. Is there an advantage to switching and following the trend? the math says no and personally I don't believe so, but that's Gizmo's department.
Quote from: Mr J on March 04, 2011, 01:16:23 PM
a person can not say that both players will FINISH differently AND ALSO SAY......it makes no difference which EC you choose or why.
That would open the floodgates. Why? Because that means that one strategy COULD be better than another strategy and we ALL KNOW......you are not allowed to do 'well' playing roulette, we are all doomed if we play this game. :girl_wacko:
I would always say the end result is the same, no matter what your choice of bet. This is based on the math, my experience and testing, the fact that no-one has demonstrated any different.. etc
I agree, you have to be consistent.
I think most people want bankroll growth if they are playing with a lower bankroll. They would be happy with slowly creeping along. People who want to grow a bankroll hope they can by doing the same thing over and over again. Their bet selection and mindset are different than the high rollers.
Mr. J you are right your aim for $600 profit. $600 is $600. If you have the bankroll of course.
Playing longer versus playing shorter really is irrelevant. It all depends on bet selections. I firmly agree with Gizmo that entering trends is the best way to go. Switch it up....visualize....and switch it up again......leave with a profit.
If anyone thinks there are hard and fast rules, are being static, while the outcomes are free flowing. Flow with the outcomes baby.
KEEL
"Mr. J you are right your aim for $600 profit" >>> Half correct. More important, I think I am right to only aim for 3 units on the EC's.
Ken
My money management is totally different:
I'm going back to Vegas at the end of April (for my birthday); will be there for 3 nights of gambling.
I decide, at the last moment, how much to bring. Let's say I decide to bring $1,500, or $500 per night.
I bring $500 in cash with me to the casino and it is in my left pocket. Since this time I'm going to play both Black Jack and Roulette I'll plunk down $300 at the $5 BJ table or machine. $200 will go to Roulette.
My goal is to replace that money with the casino's money. When I make about 25% in BJ I get up and cash out. The profits go in my right pocket and $300 will go back to the table. Once I double my BR I then bet more aggressive and drink a lot more - I'm using the casino's money for my entertainment.
Any money, in my right pock, won never get's used for gambling ever again - into the stock portfolio it goes. I have a special entertainment portfolio that is just used for trips to Maui, Vegas, and anywhere we want to spend the casino's money :)
Basically I risk the entertainment money once, for gambling, and any winnings go on for further entertainment, but never gambled again.
Roulette is going to be different - I will try many techniques I've learned in the past 2 months and see what happens - that $200 is my R&D money.
Substitute any amount of money you want for the numbers I gave - they are just for illustration.
You guys sound like gamblers, I try to manage my money like an investment that generates a return; both in cash and entertainment. I appreciate money and fight for every dollar I wager and win.
Just a different way of looking at gambling - but one I find fulfilling.....
if you have a small bankroll. play at the one dollar table. its equal to 500 hundred at the five dollar table. or 1000 at the ten dollar table. if you canot win at the one dollar what chance have you at the five, some days you get lucky.
Mr J Now you change the rules.You wrote both players play the same system.I stay in my answer after along time they bust both.It is said so many there is no system that can beat the roulette.Only a skill player with a strategy can be profitable.There is no mathematical way to solve the riddle.
"You wrote both players play the same system" >>> ?
Ïs there a difference between method and system???.I am curious of your clear solution of the riddle.
ken im amazed that you haven`t done some serious experimenting instead of just the for ever on going day dreaming.
+2 is NOT double so hard to achive as +1, its HARDER. It all comes down to probability. +3 is wayyy out of reach. There are a method based on Marigny de Grilleu where a player would enter a casino with a bankroll of 3 - 5 of 1000 FF (French francs) units and a win goal of +1. With some 5 - 8 placed bets in one night. In the eighties there were rumours about a team of Marigny players at the Cote da Zur that really hit it off big time. But the rumours died and the players dissapeared. Later some programmers tested the system on permanenzes and ended up with nothing. I have testet several systems with a goal of just +1.
It CANT be done. If thats your ultimate dream, go do some serious testing. The smart guys will do it on paper, the not so smart ones will go out and lose some money, just to make sure that they were wrong.
Kelly ,
Where did the programmers obtain this system in order for them to test it ?
Thanks .
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
"+2 is NOT double so hard to achive as +1, its HARDER" >>> Yeah, no kidding, so what? And +530 is tougher than +4, ok.
"+3 is wayyy out of reach" >>> Just so I understand you. In 300-400 spins, +3 units (regardless of size) is near impossible? I dont think we are on the same page. So if I lost 100 times on the EC's and won 103 times on the EC's, thats +3, correct? lol (Here comes the 5.26%, any second now, wait for it).
I truely wonder how many people on ALL the boards PLAY roulette (not RNG) and the ones that sit at home with a caculator. I'm beginning to "see the light" (sound familiar?), I think VERY FEW actually play this game. Not trying to insult anyone but thats how I feel. Testing? I have played LIVE (now over 26 times) with a win goal of +3, I have no loses. I did it all based on catching a streak. Its posted, I'm not posting it again. In around 30 minutes, I'm off to the casino to play *IT* again. The spins might be a bit slower because its Sat**day. Not sure what to say Kelly? Then I'm lying but ........still leaving in 30 minutes. :girl_wacko:
Ken
Nathan there is a german version here
nolinks://roulette-magazin.com/subcontent/bube2.php?fr=2 (nolinks://roulette-magazin.com/subcontent/bube2.php?fr=2)
The original french version from 1926 is no longer in print but is sometimes bein traded on ebay. Its 389 pages. I think the german version is boiled down to the most nessecary.
Of course you do ken, i wouldnt expect less. 50 other people tryed in seriousness both in the casino and on paper and failed both places, but of course you will suceed In 2 years time you will have 200 sessions and a plus of 600 units. (Cough).......Talking about being full of it.
Kelly,
Thanks for the link.
N.D.
QuoteThe smart guys will do it on paper
And enjoy the gambler fallacy :)
Question for you Kelly. Lets pretend for one minute that I'm not lying. Lets say I really am doing quite 'well' playing this game with the big bad 5.26% HA. Should I quit the game as of today? Either never play again or study AP? There is a little sarcasm in the question but not much, its a serious question.
Ken
"In 2 years time you will have 200 sessions and a plus of 600 units" >>> Are you asking me or telling me? Yesterday, won again. +3 units, big fu**in deal? I'll tell you what my ORIGINAL plan was gonna be. (lol) I was only going to do $50 units and shoot for $500. +10, OMG, I never would of heard the end of the that. I ADMIT, +10 pretty damn tough and I'm glad I am sticking to +3 in 300-400 spins. I dont know which is worse? You putting me down or you putting yourself down. You should question yourself more than me, IMO.
Ken
By all means carry on with what you are doing. You have been winning playing favourites, sleepers, progressions, flat bets for 4 years, you name it you simply cant lose. The winnings keeps piling up at your end. Next time the casino will probably tell you to stay away until they have negotiated new credits with their banks.
Why would i ever think you were lying ? (Cough)
Maybe you recognize this question: Why should we just believe you are doing so well as a player ? Playing startegys that can be verifyed to lose on real spins. (Just not the spins you play of course)
And you actually still has the believe that most newbees stick to: "As long as i can just hang around until im in profit, THEN im off." Asuming you are not lying, i asume you have a hard time picking your winter residence: Barbados or Bahamas or more likely, Thailand.
You lying ? Naaa...................
Quote from: schoenpoetser on March 05, 2011, 12:33:14 PM
Ïs there a difference between method and system???.I am curious of your clear solution of the riddle.
I just saw this. Sorry about that schoenpoetser. I have always stated, calling something a system implies that it can never lose or rarely lose. A method (as I call them) is more of a strategy way to play. I know ahead of time, there will be losing days/weeks/months with a method and I'm fine with that. Keep in mind, these are my definitions.
Ken
(@Kelly)....."By all means carry on with what you are doing. You have been winning playing favourites, sleepers, progressions, flat bets for 4 years, you name it you simply cant lose" >>> Please quote correctly. I have never said, I dont lose. You failed to mention that. I have posted *MANY* times, playing sleepers has been more of a pastime for me, I do MUCH LESS, MUCH LESS, MUCH LESS of it, please quote correctly. I also have stated, I play much less progressions now COMPARED to in the past. The number of bets is still around the same, for years. 2-4 numbers. I've been playing much more flat betting lately, please quote correctly.
Ken
@Kelly >> So does that mean you won't answer my question?
Ken
You are a bit slow aren`t you ?
Question
Quote:
"Question for you Kelly. Lets pretend for one minute that I'm not lying. Lets say I really am doing quite 'well' playing this game with the big bad 5.26% HA. Should I quit the game as of today? Either never play again or study AP? There is a little sarcasm in the question but not much, its a serious question."
Answer:
Quote:
"By all means carry on with what you are doing."
PS: Im so sorry if i haven`t kept myself informed properly on what you do less and what you do most lately.
Ok, I'll be more specific. I thought you had more class Kelly. You sound more and more like Caleb everyday. Are you sharing your log in information here with Caleb? :haha: I thought you could answer me without sounding like a smarta**. My mistake.
Ken
Like i said on another board, im done answering any questions from you serious. Been there, done that. All i got was a non commentary as if you either didn`t read what i wrote, could comprehend it, or simply didn`t care about your own question in the first place. Like here. What do you care what i think you should do ?
Why didn`t you answer my question at all ? Why should we believe you are such a gifted and successfull strategy player ?
"Why should we believe you are such a gifted and successfull strategy player?" >>>
A) I never asked for anyone to believe me.
B) You dont have to, I dont care.
C) I never said....'gifted'.
D) This is called communicating, see how easy it is.
Ken
"All I got was a non commentary as if you either didn`t read what I wrote" >>> I did not know, answering like a smarta** counted. I asked a civil question and yet got a Caleb answer in return, thats fine. Spin, over at VIP answered the SAME question like a gentleman.
Ken
So i asume that if snow had given you the same answer on your questions on his AP play you would have been happy ?
I took the time to explain why AP is not gamblers fallacy but you didnt really give a shit and kept asking the same question all over again on GG and whereever. That was when you got the last serious answer from me, you are just in it for the trouble and i doubt you go to a casino more than once a year.
And by the way,yeah you need a higher bankroll in relation to your imaginary unit size.
Insults are the only way you know how to communicate. You were not like this a year ago. Do you want to talk about it? The question I asked RECENTLY has nothing to do with AP or GG, not even sure how that came up?
Ken
Please if you react a reply mention the reply number and the name.Some replies are for me riddles.Do not use unnecessary abbreviations.For example what is AP and GG ? I am not common with American jargon.
Many topics and replies do not mention the kind of roulette.To judge systems or methods it is important for which roulette they are developed.
On the forum there are many newcomers with a less experience to learn about the roulette.
Sorry...GG = Gambler's Glen (a message boad)
AP = Always Pretending
Quote from: Mr J on March 05, 2011, 04:49:52 PM
I truely wonder how many people on ALL the boards PLAY roulette (not RNG) and the ones that sit at home with a caculator. I'm beginning to "see the light" (sound familiar?), I think VERY FEW actually play this game. Not trying to insult anyone but thats how I feel. Testing? I have played LIVE (now over 26 times) with a win goal of +3, I have no loses.
Your point being what?
If you're talking about playing systems (or "methods") then if it wins at home on the kitchen table then it should win at the casino, assuming you have the necessary self-control when you switch to playing with real money. If you don't have that, then you've no business playing in the first place. Why the contempt for those who MAY be testing theories before committing real money, is this a kind of macho thing where you're trying to show us what a REAL gambler does?
For what it's worth, I don't believe you're lying. You HAVE posted your losing sessions in the past on this board.
Quote from: schoenpoetser on March 07, 2011, 07:47:24 AM
what is AP
@ schoenpoetser,
AP = Advantage Play. Ignore ken, he's just jealous because he doesn't get it.
Opinion of the so called " math professor" at another board:
**********Playing the outsides in roulette will allow you a 3 chip advantage at best when playing 50/50 or 1/2 .
However the downward trend of 6 chips often occurs and these will need to be recovered meaning you need to struggle for a 9 chip advantage which is mostly imposible unless you go to a martingale and that always ends up as a loss in the long run.********
N.D.
"before committing real money" >>> BEFORE is fine. I'm still sticking to what I said, I think FEW play at a casino. Yes I know, not everyone lives near one or has the time or a BR, YES I know.
Ken
i think both players would have the same hit rate but the guy with the bigger b.r would be in advantage if all he had to win was 3.
the guy with the lower bankroll would need a very good system to catch up, in my opinion the b.r isnt important its the system you use.
but i do agree with you mr j that no one wants to win peanuts, but a good system and big chips would be just as successful if it was lower chips.
it all comes down to the system you play, a bigger b.r just means you can play bigger chips but in saying that it could stop you from using progression.
Bankroll $ 4,000 .-- win goal 20% yield - $ 800.--
Bankroll $ 400 .-win goal 20 % yield $ 80.--
S.O.S. no difference.Any smart Wise Guy should know this by now.
But the guy with the lower bankroll should never ever attempt to reach a win goal of $ 800.-- He would be wiped out..
But the giy with the larger bankroll is the attention getter at the table.
PROPER bankrolls separate the men from the boys.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
.
All this talk of higher bankroll is a bit of a red herring.
The size of your bankroll doesn't make any difference to your likelihood of winning, it just means that you might last longer than someone who is inadequately funded. The objective isn't to "last longer" (unless you're playing for pure entertainment), but to win, and without an edge you're just throwing good money after bad.
If you have an advantage, you keep playing as long as you feel like it, you don't set arbitrary "win targets" as a % of your bankroll. The idea that you can win merely if you set a low % is a myth. Say for example you settle for a modest gain of 5% of your bankroll which is $1000, so you're aiming for $50. Unfortunately, you have some bad luck and lose $50. As a result, you have to now win not 5% of your bankroll (which is now $950), but 10.5%. And if things had got worse and you'd lost $100, your new win target as a % of your current bank ($900) is now 16.7%, and so it goes on.
It's all very well being content with small wins as long as you get them.
May I add Win Goal does not mean Win Limit. It means I shall guarantee myself this goal, rat hole it , add it to the original full bankroll , and then keep playing iwith the EXCESS until the first loss.
Those bankrolls of $ 400.-- respectively $ 4,000.--were just examples. With a higher bankroll one could set a lower win goal.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
It's been said that the only difference between an average person and a millionaire is that the millionaire adds more zeros to everything in their life. Their house is 100 times more expensive, their travel is 100 times more expensive (private jet) - just more zeros.
A billionaire is 1,000 times more expensive.
I view my BR as being based upon what a very nice meal costs or a set of lift tickets for our family - it's got to be based on something you appreciate.
The old saw "Easy come, easy go" was invented by a loser - its the loser's motto.
A winner thinks "hard won, hard fought"....
Winners are only the ones who put their tochas ofn tish in real live casinos . Not the key board math boyzz.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
"The size of your bankroll doesn't make any difference to your likelihood of winning" >>> :girl_wacko: It certainly does help!! If my win goal is $200, is it ok to walk in with $250? What about 2K?
Bankroll !!!!
Bet Selection !!!!
Patience !!!!
Balls/guts !!!!
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on March 10, 2011, 11:37:39 PM
"The size of your bankroll doesn't make any difference to your likelihood of winning" >>> :girl_wacko: It certainly does help!! If my win goal is $200, is it ok to walk in with $250? What about 2K?
Bankroll !!!!
Bet Selection !!!!
Patience !!!!
Balls/guts !!!!
Ken
I build gambling systems that remove as many decisions from the gambler as possible - the less I have to decide the better. Here's some ideas folks might consider:
There is only one BR size you should bring down with you, 100 times the minimum bet you will be playing. Because table limits can go up during the day/night you must plan accordingly. If you lose 100 times during the night you need to go home.
I recommend flat betting - and if you must bet more than the extra money must NOT be yours - you can only increase your bet if you have winnings.
That BR you bring with you represents money from your entertainment budget - it's $500 to risk for at the casino or a set of lift tickets or a 5-star dinner or a new TV. If you can lose that $500 and feel ok about it then you are set for a night at the tables; if not buy the TV set.
I also recommend that each bet be 1/100 of your BR and if the minimum table bet is $5 and you lost $100 leaving $400 then you can only bet $4 per hand/spin - that means you must sit out every other hand/spin. Hey, you lost that $100 you need to be punished.
Anyway that's how I look at the BR - it's a no brainer for me....
Quote from: Mr J on March 10, 2011, 11:37:39 PM
"The size of your bankroll doesn't make any difference to your likelihood of winning" >>> :girl_wacko: It certainly does help!! If my win goal is $200, is it ok to walk in with $250? What about 2K?
Bankroll !!!!
Bet Selection !!!!
Patience !!!!
Balls/guts !!!!
Ken
i agree mr j
Quote from: Mr J on March 10, 2011, 11:37:39 PM
"The size of your bankroll doesn't make any difference to your likelihood of winning" >>> :girl_wacko: It certainly does help!! If my win goal is $200, is it ok to walk in with $250? What about 2K?
Size of bankroll doesn't make any difference to whether you will win the next bet. It doesn't increase the accuracy of your predictions, so in that sense it makes no difference. You need a bank big enough to avoid risk of ruin, that's all.