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Its is amazing what you can do with a shitty selection and trending.

I am just curios if a simple method can produce any good results, trending.
First I want to test and see how it performs using two attempts flat betting to gain at least +1 unit or a loss of -2 units.
If not a direct win you break even or hit a total loss of -2 units.
After that I will try trending.

Test 1.
TRNGs
Random org

20110301 +1
20110302 +1
20110303 +1
20110304 +0
20110305 +1
20110306 +1
20110307 +1
20110308 -2
20110309 +1
20110310 +1
20110311 +1
20110312 +1
20110313 -2
20110314 +1
20110315 +1
20110316 +0
20110317 -2

12 won
  6 loss
  2 even

22 placed bets

Well it looks like I can try it out and see if trending would make a significant change towards the results above.

Its is amazing what you can do with a shitty selection and trending.

Rule (1) If not a direct win - we will break even and stop - if none of the two things happens we accept a loss of -2 units.

Rule (2) Flat betting 2x7 units for each attempt - if a win +7 units we lower our bets to 2x3 and play twice to capture a trend - if +3 units we lower our bets to 2x1 and play twice to capture a trend.
If a loss after +7 ( you can not lose as you will allways be +1 no matter what happens in the future trending ) then you stop at +1 and if not you just ride until two loses as you lower your bets and in the end keep the total of your trending.

Rule (3) Only play if a La Partage rule is present ( only lose half the even money bet ) and put reasonable % on zero during the first attack when you try to gain +7.

Its is amazing what you can do with a shitty selection and trending.

731
Flat betting.

Won +106 units and loss -48 units.

20110301 +11
20110302 +1
20110303 +11
20110304 +0 and - zero tax
20110305 +11
20110306 +1
20110307 +11
20110308 -14
20110309 +11
20110310 +8
20110311 +8
20110312 +11
20110313 -14 and - zero tax
20110314 +11
20110315 +11
20110316 +0 and - zero tax
20110317 -14

Its is amazing what you can do with a shitty selection and trending.

The selection is that you ride two horses at the same time and pick the one that generate the first win.
You wait for one loss and then place one bet no matter witch of the two distributions that show up first.

The sequence line 1.
If you see one isolated singel you observe twice that next will be a series of singels.
If you have or see a series of singels you observe twice that you will get one isolated singel.

The sequence line 2.
If you see one singel series you observe twice that next will be a series of series.
If you have or see a series of series you observe twice that you will get one singel serie.

I will update the results each day and have fun to see how it peforms and that is with out any claims - just maybe a fun method with littel risk due the low amount of units for one attack - depending on staking plan.
I will post two charts - one is basic with +1 +0 or -2 to get a overview - the other chart will be using 731 as I mention above.

TRNGs
Random org

Basic
Flat betting ...

20110301 +1
20110302 +1
20110303 +1
20110304 +0
20110305 +1
20110306 +1
20110307 +1
20110308 -2
20110309 +1
20110310 +1
20110311 +1
20110312 +1
20110313 -2
20110314 +1
20110315 +1
20110316 +0
20110317 -2
20110318 +1
20110319 +1 <<<

14 won
 6 loss
 2 even

+8 total

- - - - - - - - - -

731
Flat betting ...

20110301 +11
20110302 +1
20110303 +11
20110304 +0
20110305 +11
20110306 +1
20110307 +11
20110308 -14
20110309 +11
20110310 +8
20110311 +8
20110312 +11
20110313 -14
20110314 +11
20110315 +11
20110316 +0
20110317 -14
20110318 +11
20110319 +11 <<<

128 won
 42 loss
   2 even

+86 total

Nice Job

Quote from: I have cookies on March 18, 2011, 09:23:36 AM

its is amazing what you can do with a shitty selection and trending

I will update the results each day and have fun to see how it peforms and that is with out any claims - just maybe a fun method with littel risk due the low amount of units for one attack - depending on staking plan.
I will post two charts - one is basic with +1 +0 or -2 to get a overview - the other chart will be using 731 as I mention above.

TRNGs
Random org

Basic
Flat betting ...

20110301 +1
20110302 +1
20110303 +1
20110304 +0
20110305 +1
20110306 +1
20110307 +1
20110308 -2
20110309 +1
20110310 +1
20110311 +1
20110312 +1
20110313 -2
20110314 +1
20110315 +1
20110316 +0
20110317 -2
20110318 +1
20110319 +1 <<<

14 won
 6 loss
 2 even

+8 total

- - - - - - - - - -

731
Flat betting ...

20110301 +11
20110302 +1
20110303 +11
20110304 +0
20110305 +11
20110306 +1
20110307 +11
20110308 -14
20110309 +11
20110310 +8
20110311 +8
20110312 +11
20110313 -14
20110314 +11
20110315 +11
20110316 +0
20110317 -14
20110318 +11
20110319 +11 <<<

128 won
 42 loss
   2 even

+86 total

TRNGs
Random org

Basic
Flat betting ...

20110225 +1
20110226 +0
20110227 +0
20110228 +1 <<<
20110301 +1
20110302 +1
20110303 +1
20110304 +0
20110305 +1
20110306 +1
20110307 +1
20110308 -2
20110309 +1
20110310 +1
20110311 +1
20110312 +1
20110313 -2
20110314 +1
20110315 +1
20110316 +0
20110317 -2
20110318 +1
20110319 +1 <<<

16 won
 6 loss
 2 even

+10 total

- - - - - - - - - -

731
Flat betting ...

20110225 +8
20110226 +0
20110227 +0
20110228 +11 <<<
20110301 +11
20110302 +1
20110303 +11
20110304 +0
20110305 +11
20110306 +1
20110307 +11
20110308 -14
20110309 +11
20110310 +8
20110311 +8
20110312 +11
20110313 -14
20110314 +11
20110315 +11
20110316 +0
20110317 -14
20110318 +11
20110319 +11 <<<

147 won
 42 loss
   2 even

+105 total

Quote from: Psolaras on March 18, 2011, 09:32:57 AM
Nice Job

Is not as even when they read this topic - many wont understand as they get it on silver plate and still looking for a decent method - its sad ...
You can even produce similar results just playing the gaps using FTL or DBL ...

Maybe 1% or less of this board can produce the results above using a different method.

This is what Kellys attempts and opinions look like at GG ... and I just compare it with a shitty selection and produce much better results - its to funny  :)

QuoteThere is some believe that if you just keep your win goal low enough, you can always walk away in profit. Apparently even Al Krigman is also a victim of wishfull thinking because he is also a fan of this belief. Personally, I would say: Try it out for god sake. I took a random month of Hamburg numbers and played the EC`s follow the last. Bankroll 5 units, target +2. This is what happened.

January 2000

1.1 +2
2.1 +2
3.1 -5
4.1 +2
5.1 -5
6.1 -5
7.1 -5
8.1 +2
9.1 +2
10.1 -5
11.1 +2
12.1 -5
13.1 +2
14.1 -5
15.1 +2
16.1 +2
17.1 +2
18.1 +2
19.1 +2
20.1 +2
21.1 +2
22.1 +2
23.1 +2
24.1 -5
25.1 +2
26.1 +2
27.1 +2
28.1 +2
29.1 -5
30.1 -5
31.1 -5

You can play around with the values like

= target +1 with bankroll 15 units =

it doesn`t matter, you WILL lose. Now I bet that the argumentation will be "I would never play every day for a full months". All right, tell mee which days you would play in February and I will tell you how you did.

So I did what Kelly told me to do I quote:

Quote
You can play around with the values like

= target +1 with bankroll 15 units =

it doesn`t matter, you WILL lose.

And I am up 1K

731
Flat betting ...

20110225 +8
20110226 +0
20110227 +0
20110228 +11
20110301 +11
20110302 +1
20110303 +11
20110304 +0
20110305 +11
20110306 +1
20110307 +11
20110308 -14
20110309 +11
20110310 +8
20110311 +8
20110312 +11
20110313 -14
20110314 +11
20110315 +11
20110316 +0
20110317 -14
20110318 +11
20110319 +11

147 won
 42 loss
   2 even

+105 total

What always amazes me. It is  a well known fact that only 7 % of the   people visiting a casino are walking out as winners but counting the test results and the alleged winnings  of all posters here at VLS  the amount miraciously becomes  100 % each .  :sarcastic:

N.D.


7 %   or  100 %  ? I wonder where the  B.S.   is  buried ?

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on March 19, 2011, 11:38:58 AM
What always amazes me. It is  a well known fact that only 7 % of the   people visiting a casino are walking out as winners but counting the tests and the alleged winnings  of all posters here at VLS  the amount miraciously becomes  100 % .  :sarcastic:

N.D.

My point is that is not so miraciously to gain +1. :lol:
As I don't play roulette systems - but sure hope does who does understand there is no need for progression - in worst case scenario a humble increase  :)
Sure it will tank or hit some serious bad swings - but it sure makes me curios using the 731 capitalizing what the end result would become with the ride factor as we eliminate the house edge.

HEHEHE I have to quote this again.

Quotepeople visiting a casino are walking out as winners but counting the tests and the alleged winnings  of all posters here at VLS  the amount miraciously becomes  100 % .

That is so funny - because random org is based upon noise and 100% random and I which I could say the same about a wheel  :sarcastic:

Pst ... maybe Mike can code this shitty idea!

Pst ...

Basic:
20110320 +1

731
20110320 +1

IHC:Do you use a programto compute the results.To judge the performance i need the profit percentage of the total betting

Quote from: schoenpoetser on March 20, 2011, 08:10:53 AM
IHC:Do you use a programto compute the results.To judge the performance I need the profit percentage of the total betting

@ schoenpoetser don't be so serious - its a shitty selection and I just do this for fun as it is not so difficult to gain +1 unit.

Basic
20110321 -2

731
20110321 -14

Basic
20110322 +0

731
20110322 +0

I have cookies.Sorry I do not understand what you are doing .I miss the link with roulette.I thought you will explain us a new way to play the roulette.I have studied 20110315+2.I could not find any connection with the roulette . Now I think I have the solution it means  year-month -day and the profit of this day.I do not know what you have done that day.I am dutch and i tried to find in my dictionary what means shitty selection.No answer.What is the meaning of  FTL  , DBL and GG ??

I have  Cookies,

My advice to you get a  new  translator service. You did not grasp  the  post by Nathan Detroit. Better yet go to a  B & M casino first and   [;ay your great system then tell us  how it feels  getting you tochask licked. :ok:

N.D.

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on March 22, 2011, 09:16:25 AM
I have  Cookies,

My advice to you get a  new  translator service. You did not grasp  the  post by Nathan Detroit. Better yet go to a  B & M casino first and   [;ay your great system then tell us  how it feels  getting you tochask licked. :ok:

N.D.

Sorry i don't play roulette systems and i don't have to brag about that you have 37 degree of freedom and i have less if we stand next towards the same wheel.
My last win was 1K so i don't care so much about your poor opinions.

Will also continue to post the results no matter what you say - its fun and i enjoy it.
Who cares about the spell checker - not me - so no worries at all.

Quote from: schoenpoetser on March 22, 2011, 09:06:26 AM
I am dutch and I tried to find in my dictionary what means shitty selection.No answer.What is the meaning of  FTL  , DBL and GG ??

;D  ;D  :lol:

"shitty bet selection" means bad bet selection, which doesn't really make much sense because they are all equally bad (or good, whatever you prefer).

FTL means play the same outcome which came out last. So if red just hit, you bet red, if black, bet black etc. DBL means you play the same as the outcome before last (avant dernier). GG is the name of another gambling forum.

Quote"shitty bet selection" means bad bet selection, which doesn't really make much sense because they are all equally bad (or good, whatever you prefer).

Yes

So what is the point using progressions or a bet selection when they all produce the same results - part of illusion when you can gain the same amount flat betting when you aim for +1 no matter what you play with or against.

If you can gain 1K using progression you can also gain 1K flat betting - same stuff no matter how you twist it ...

Gamblers Fallacy ...

Follow the last outcome by Kelly 5 attempts to gain +2 units...

January 2000 Flat betting

1.1 +2
2.1 +2
3.1 -5
4.1 +2
5.1 -5
6.1 -5
7.1 -5
8.1 +2
9.1 +2
10.1 -5
11.1 +2
12.1 -5
13.1 +2
14.1 -5
15.1 +2
16.1 +2
17.1 +2
18.1 +2
19.1 +2
20.1 +2
21.1 +2
22.1 +2
23.1 +2
24.1 -5
25.1 +2
26.1 +2
27.1 +2
28.1 +2
29.1 -5
30.1 -5
31.1 -5

Loss 55 units
Won 40 units

Waves 2 attempts with out house edge to gain +1 and ride to gain +11.

731
Flat betting ...

20110225 +8
20110226 +0
20110227 +0
20110228 +11
20110301 +11
20110302 +1
20110303 +11
20110304 +0
20110305 +11
20110306 +1
20110307 +11
20110308 -14
20110309 +11
20110310 +8
20110311 +8
20110312 +11
20110313 -14
20110314 +11
20110315 +11
20110316 +0
20110317 -14
20110318 +11
20110319 +11

147 won
 42 loss
   2 even

+105 total = 1K

Due to positive fluctation  :lol:

Cookie,

I never talked about 37 degree freedom.  You are so opionated that you don`t even know  who posts what. .

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on March 22, 2011, 11:09:30 AM
Cookie,

I never talked about 37 degree freedom.  You are so opionated that you don`t even know  who posts what. You are a bore.

Yeah, , we know  key board BS winnings.You never won a diime in a  B & M casino. Maybe  1 k in pennoes on line.

Ok by me i have no issue with that at all ...
So tomorrow i post the results for 20110323 ... what else is new :-)

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on March 22, 2011, 09:16:25 AM
I have  Cookies,

My advice to you get a  new  translator service. You did not grasp  the  post by Nathan Detroit. Better yet go to a  B & M casino first and   [;ay your great system then tell us  how it feels  getting you tochask licked. :ok:

N.D.

"I have cookies" does not explain that well. I see this often. Alot of good research from guys who know what they are doing but because of factors like, other first languages etc. do not always come over clearly. Does not mean that "I have cookies" work is of no value. I also do not believe in systems. His work is interesting though. Pity that guys like Nathan has to attack him. Personally I feel that if you find it a bore then go look at someone elses red/black system where you have a straight forward simple rule or two for playing it.  ::)

Quote from: I have cookies on March 17, 2011, 05:45:53 AM
Its is amazing what you can do with a shitty selection and trending.


The selection is that you ride two horses at the same time and pick the one that generate the first win.
You wait for one loss and then place one bet no matter witch of the two distributions that show up first.

The sequence line 1.
If you see one isolated singel you observe twice that next will be a series of singels.
If you have or see a series of singels you observe twice that you will get one isolated singel.

The sequence line 2.
If you see one singel series you observe twice that next will be a series of series.
If you have or see a series of series you observe twice that you will get one singel serie.

Cookie, I know you have little patience with questions, explaining yourself, etc, but I could use a little clarification here.  Any chance you could give an example of a selection of spins and label these terms?  Or I could guess:
R
R
R
B
B
R
R this is a series of series?

R
B
R
B
R  this is a series of singles?

R
R
B
B
B
R  isolated single?  followed by...
B
R  ..a series of singles?

"If you have or see a series of series you observe twice that you will get one singel series."  I still don't understand this one.

Thanks,

Sam

I send you PM .


R
R
R
B = Previous is one isolated singel series
R
R = Previous is one isolated singel outcome
B
B
B
R
B = Previous is series of series
R
R = Previous is one series of singel outcomes
R
B
R
R = Previous is one isolated singel series
R = Previous is one isolated singel outcome
B
R
B
R
B
R
R = Previous is a series of singels
R

Thanks, that helps.

Ok, so the "two horses" are sequence line 1 and sequence line 2, right?

Quote from: I have cookies on March 23, 2011, 09:31:58 AM
I send you PM .


R
R
R
B = Previous is one isolated singel series
R
R = Previous is one isolated singel outcome
B
B
B
R
B = Previous is series of series
R
R = Previous is one series of singel outcomes
R
B
R
R = Previous is one isolated singel series
R = Previous is one isolated singel outcomethis one is confusing, the previous is R R, which seems to be an isolated single series
B
R
B
R
B
R
R = Previous is a series of singels
R

How to observe the outcomes as formations of waves.

Explanation 1.

If you only observe singels - then they will come as one isolated singel or series of singels.
Conclusion is that one isolated singel or a series of singels - two opposites as in 1/2 or as the difference between red and black.

RRRBRR = Here is one black as isolated singel.

RBRRRR = Here RB is a series of two singels in a row.

The observation of the distribution dictates that the amount of singel isolated outcomes is the same as all series of singels (no matter length) as in 1/2.

Explanation 2.

If you only observe series - then they will come as one isolated series or series of series.
Conclusion is that one isolated singel series or a series of series is two opposites as in 1/2 or as the difference between red and black.

RBRRRBR = Here is one isolated singel series.

RBRRRBBBRB = Here is a two series after each other, series of series, two in a row.

The observation of the distribution dictates that the amount of singel isolated series is the same as all series of series (no matter length) as in 1/2.

Note:
The two lines has to calibrate and find correlation to become a pure state with only series present or singles present using two distributions at the same momentum witch will generate a loss of four - when each side gain one fictive loss each you can place two bets - that is one way among many - that is what the results of previous posts are based upon - flat betting.

Well I assume I will test this for 1000 placed bets as the The Van Keelen Test dictates.

A system indicates a genuine superiority:
1. if after 1000 placed bets a gain of more than 100 units was obtained!

I am sure it will fail - but still its amusing and fun ... so far positive fluctuation produce 1K using 731 witch eliminate the house edge, so I wondering if it will hold or tank after 1000 placed bets.

I will post every original file from random org with date and the file it self so you can following and confirm the file.
Clear strict rules and the amount of placed bets so we also can get the final STD after we see what the net gain is after 1000 placed bets.

IHC:I understand what you mean with isolated events ,but I have no idea what when and where I have to place my bets.

well. . . .  . this is diferent with other  tipsters. . . . . .  . becouse we are all diferent with guesing. . . . . thats why it its make. . . diference with. . . practice and. . . propper. . .  . understanding game which you. . . .  . play. . .  . just my opinion. . . . . .  . about some kind of gambling. . . .  . i  sometime stuck. . .  . .  trapped between. . . bet selection. . . as well. . . .  .  :agree:

Quote from: schoenpoetser on March 24, 2011, 11:20:21 AM
IHC:I understand what you mean with isolated events ,but I have no idea what when and where I have to place my bets.

I will make it clear with next post and with results from random org 20110201 to 20110228 with placed bets, net gain and original files that you can follow and confirm.

Quote from: Bombpyrotechnic on March 24, 2011, 11:29:36 AM
well. . . .  . this is diferent with other  tipsters. . . . . .  . becouse we are all diferent with guesing. . . . . thats why it its make. . . diference with. . . practice and. . . propper. . .  . understanding game which you. . . .  . play. . .  . just my opinion. . . . . .  . about some kind of gambling. . . .  . I  sometime stuck. . .  . .  trapped between. . . bet selection. . . as well. . . .  .  :agree:

Its not about educated guess work - but there is a random momentum where two lines of the distribution has to produce periodic momentum and generate periodicity of a random momentum where two lines calibrate and achieve correlation towards 4 loses and achieve two straight loses.

Thank you I wish myself have it understanding like you it tuck me jussssttt 3 yars -have it all 4 with . . .   . -)))) pretty hard