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Main => General Board => Topic started by: pins on March 18, 2011, 06:23:19 PM

Title: new systems
Post by: pins on March 18, 2011, 06:23:19 PM
a lot of the posters claim to have the holy grail. why do they keep inventing new systems.
Title: Re: new systems
Post by: Twocando on March 19, 2011, 11:35:32 AM
They don't know how to use it, need to invent there own.

New VB to be posted, Just counting the rev's of ball in 1 wheel rev. Chart and play 6 numbers. Hit more than 6 out 10.
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Title: Re: new systems
Post by: Zindrod on March 23, 2011, 02:49:46 AM
Quote from: Twocando on March 19, 2011, 11:35:32 AM
They don't know how to use it, need to invent there own.

New VB to be posted, Just counting the rev's of ball in 1 wheel rev. Chart and play 6 numbers. Hit more than 6 out 10.
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Sounds interesting. Cannot quite picture it though. Would love to see it though.  :angel:
Title: Re: new systems
Post by: schoenpoetser on March 23, 2011, 07:58:43 AM
The roulettegame makes it possible to design an endless number of systems.All systems have the same disadvantage  of the house edge of the roulette. So I suggest to form a committee or a jury  for a beauty contest for systems.
Title: Re: new systems
Post by: MauiSunset on March 23, 2011, 08:13:35 AM
Quote from: pins on March 18, 2011, 06:23:19 PM
a lot of the posters claim to have the holy grail. why do they keep inventing new systems.

This is a great topic!

Just in case folks don't know my position it's very simple:

Roulette has not been broken for 300 years and will stand for another 300 years - it is unbreakable.

By that I mean picking the next number, color, dozen, column, hi/lo, even/odd is impossible - the next spin of the Roulette wheel will yield a number between 0 and 36, inclusive, and each number is just as likely to spin out.

There is no science or math that says differently; Roulette is too simple of a game to be broken.

However, just because you can't guess the next number doesn't mean you can't make a profit.  That's two different aspects of the game Roulette - the number spun out and the winnings on the table.  Money management is where a profit can be made in Roulette - I am now very confident of that statement; have no desire to prove it but now believe it.

So break down Roulette into 2 components - 1) The number spun, which is random and you have NO control over and 2) Money management of the bet which you have 100% control over.

Money management is a very complex subject and is virtually unlimited in what can be done.  MM can be as simple as flat betting a random bet to redefining anything and everything to do with money at the table; your imagination is the limit.

But basically I see new gamblers falling for Gambler's Fallacy and reinventing a broken wheel accounting for the vast majority of "new" Roulette systems - total garbage being recycled until the gambler runs out of money and moves on to the next table game....

P.S.
The above applies to RNG Roulette and there is a whole world of studying the physical aspects of the ball, wheel, table, and croupier - I know nothing of these topics and can't render an opinion on them.  My gut feeling is that any possible advantage you can find with them is minuscule but that's just a wild guess on my part.  I've spent zero time investigating them so I defer to others on this topic.

My experience has been that there is no difference, in Money Management outcome, to whether you play a physical Roulette wheel or one driven by a RNG.  I can't find ANY difference between the two.
Title: Re: new systems
Post by: Zindrod on March 23, 2011, 08:16:26 AM
Quote from: MauiSunset on March 23, 2011, 08:13:35 AM
This is a great topic!

Just in case folks don't know my position it's very simple:

Roulette has not been broken for 300 years and will stand for another 300 years - it is unbreakable.

By that I mean picking the next number, color, dozen, column, hi/lo, even/odd is impossible - the next spin of the Roulette wheel will yield a number between 0 and 36 and each number is just as likely to spin out.

There is no science or math that says differently; Roulette is too simple of a game to be broken.

However, just because you can't guess the next number doesn't mean you can't make a profit.  That's two different aspects of the game Roulette - the number spun out and the winnings on the table.  Money management is where a profit can be made in Roulette - I am now very confident of that statement; have no desire to prove it but now believe it.

So break down Roulette into 2 components - 1) The number spun and 2) Money management of bet.

Money management is a very complex subject and is virtually unlimited in what can be done.  MM can be as simple as flat betting a random bet to redefining anything and everything to do with money at the table; your imagination is the limit.

But basically I see new gamblers falling for Gambler's Fallacy and reinventing a broken wheel accounting for all the vast majority of "new" Roulette systems - total garbage being recycled until the gambler runs out of money and moves on to the next table game....

Actually between 0-36 and including 0 and 36. Yes. Only advantage techniques can determine a positive outcome.