Poll
Question:
Is Cheese / Spike Smarter or Less Smart as Gizmotron
Option 1: Less Smart
Option 2: Smarter
Option 3: Cheese is not Spike
Option 4: Chees is Spike but don't know
Option 5: Not Interested
I'm a programmer and have spent hundreds of hours creating simulations for others on three Roulette forums. I publish results so that discussions can have a context to them and so that they attempt to be interesting for those that participate. When I call someone a moron I'm just kidding. This is an entertainment concept. Don Rickles has called people a hockey puck for years and he made millions doing it. It just makes me jealous. .
And this thread will prove nobody here knows either of us well enough to vote accurately. You're smarter about computers and I'm smarter about roulette. Thats all I need to know.
GIZMOTRON CHEESE
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What Gizmo see's when he looks in the mirror:
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This is where he graduated from:
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The real Gizmo:
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What Spike see's when he looks in the mirror:
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Where Spike graduated from:
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The real Spike:
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can you be smart at roulette. or is it just chance.
After reading their post for years At GG.....
My vote is 9 to...GIZMOTRON....... 1 to Cheese.
GIZ..... reasoning and knowledge is very vast and now he has program a tools
to help him to identify the favourable condition faster and more accurate is another plus ...
He uses the past spins data and formulated them into sectors...and the person who
has been trained will recognised what is happening now and what has happen before.
And what is the best time to place a bet.
A blacksmith can make the best sword...but he might not be the best swordsman
A fighter who have many experiences and have fought in many battles
when equip with the best sword will win many many more battles to come.
Cheese knowledge is great but his bets is $5 or $10.......no pressure win or lose $100.
His winning of $20 to $50 a trip he is satisfied....after deduction of food and fares still have $30....
If he brings 1000 to the casino and try to win 500...it will be a failure...most of the time...
After losing 300..he will lose his confidence and decision will be.... bet more or less or no bets next hand.
His betting will be erratic Face will change to pale colour ..heart beats faster...will try to pretend to be
brave as if losing 300 is nothing....when placing chips on next bet hands will shiver...if won the
next bet..hands still shiver.. a big relief...from the facial expression...
3 Cheers to Gizmotron...my vote 9 to GIZMOTRON>>>>1 to CHeese or spike...
Cheers
WIN!WIN2....win more when winning....lose less when losing..
Quote from: pins on March 31, 2011, 02:00:47 AM
can you be smart at roulette.
Yup, but it ain't easy. Just always remember all the bets in roulette are exactly equal to the even chances, there is no best place to bet.
Quote from: win1win2 on March 31, 2011, 02:06:02 AM
>>He uses the past spins data and formulated them into sectors...and the person who
has been trained will recognised what is happening now and what has happen before.
And what is the best time to place a bet.>>
HUH? I don't think I ever heard Gizmo say this. You made it up.
>>Cheese knowledge is great but his bets is $5 or $10.......no pressure win or lose $100.
His winning of $20 to $50 a trip he is satisfied....after deduction of food and fares still have $30....>>
HUH? I never said this and KNOW you're making it up.
Quote from: win1win2 on March 31, 2011, 02:06:02 AM
If he brings 1000 to the casino and try to win 500...it will be a failure...most of the time...
After losing 300..he will lose his confidence and decision will be.... bet more or less or no bets next hand.
His betting will be erratic Face will change to pale colour ..heart beats faster...will try to pretend to be
brave as if losing 300 is nothing....when placing chips on next bet hands will shiver...if won the
next bet..hands still shiver.. a big relief...from the facial expression...
What is this shit? Hey pal, don't project your problems onto me, stay out of the casino if you can't handle losing.
Quote.. I dont think Giz....has program a tools " u make it up'
Cheese your observation of Giz...past post is very poor....
I now make an educated guessing that is........ I bet that Giz.. has develop a program
that when u enter a data lets take '8' it will automatically be arrange in the
A........Black sector
B........First Dozen...
C........Column 2
Lets Giz..gives the Answer and say my guessing is wrong or Right...
Cheers....Win1Win2...
Quote from: win1win2 on March 31, 2011, 02:27:16 AM
that when u enter a data lets take '8' it will automatically be arrange in the
A........Black sector
B........First Dozen...
C........Column 2
So what? It doesn't tell you where to place the next bet, Einstein. Its meaningless.
>>Cheese knowledge is great but his bets is $5 or $10.......no pressure win or lose $100.
His winning of $20 to $50 a trip he is satisfied....after deduction of food and fares still have $30....>>
HUH? I never said this and KNOW you're making it up.
Cheese sometimes in yr post u reveal something which u dont even realizing it
have u played the airball machine i guess many times.......and have won 15hands in a roll before...
Patrons of these machines we know their bets units value .
so 'A FORMULATED CHARTS....of 36 last spin *8* IN...
A: BLACK COLUMN
b: FIRST DOZEN
C; 2ND COLUMN
D; EVEN
E'; LOW
A roulette player will interpret this "8" as
A...came out 3 times last 36 spins
B...4 times in a roll on Black......last 4 spin 19 20 26 35
C....1 time 1st Doz.....out of 5 spins
D...3 times even....out oft 5 spins
E....3 times in the 2nd column...out of 5 spins
A roulette player instrumental gauge to profit
no guessing and hoping it is correct..
this info no use to the pilot he cannot fly from point A to point B.....
To fly from A to B he needs many guiding instruments
even u know how to read all the instruments u still need to undergo many tests
before u r qualified to fly..
cheers
Quote from: win1win2 on March 31, 2011, 04:38:56 AM
A roulette player will interpret this "8" as
A...came out 3 times last 36 spins
B...4 times in a roll on Black......last 4 spin 19 20 26 35
C....1 time 1st Doz.....out of 5 spins
D...3 times even....out oft 5 spins
E....3 times in the 2nd column...out of 5 spins
this info no use to the pilot
This info is no use to anybody, its nonsense. You're dealing with completely independent trials, you can record them any way you like, the wheel will do what it wants. Random obeys no rules, pretending it does won't make it happen.
Quote from: cheese on March 31, 2011, 01:32:07 AM
What Spike see's when he looks in the mirror:
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What bombus see's when he looks in the mirror:
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Quote from: bombus on March 31, 2011, 06:06:12 AM
What bombus see's when he looks in the mirror:
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The real Bombus:
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;D
for u is useless
to me its my .....free ticket for holidays and shopping trips as well as donation to charity funds.
Anyway the Japan earth quake u made any donation...i
prove me wrong my test a/c from 1k to 100k...if u want more prove i can raise to 150k
or u think u r good i give u password u raise it to 150k....
cheers....
Quote from: win1win2 on March 31, 2011, 07:27:44 AM
prove me wrong my test a/c from 1k to 100k...
Naw, too complicated. Do a test here. We'll get 100 spins from an online German casino and post 20 of them and you tell us what the next bet is. After you do, we'll tell you the next number and so on. At the end of the test we'll give you the day and wheel where the numbers came from and you can verify they are legit. Very simple, very easy. There are too many loopholes doing it your way, too many ways to fudge the results. OK?
incorrect way of testing
dublinbets is nearly the same as a B/M casino.
when we play trends we expect to loss a few hands....
but once the winning mode starts we will win multiple hands....
when u play a game we want to win more chips
we dont care about the hand won ratio........
one question,,,,,200spin contains how many trending patterns
what r the most active....trending pattern
in baccarat if u play 10 shoes the most active patterns will dominate 75% or more......
Random can only have.........certain amount of pattern...fix......if u know how to recognise it..
cheers,,,,,
Quote from: win1win2 on March 31, 2011, 08:16:00 AM
incorrect way of testing
Its not the incorrect way of testing, its the only fair test there is. There are ways to cheat using DublinBet in testing, as I'm sure you're aware of. Playing from actuals from a b/m casino is every bit as legitimate, and cheating is impossible.
I'm offline now for at least 10 hours.
Hmmm,
It's difficult for me to assess who is the smartest of the two. But I can sure tell you who is the prettiest: they both are!
dublinbets is a very fair way to test your skill...on EC game
i also agrees with u that u can cheats......which i did
in the early stage i use 1000 to bet on the dozen if win i get 3000.......
i keep topping up my token until i had 3000 not so boring to starts betting $5.....
with 3000 i can start with $50
once u reach 10k there is no way u can cheat.......its all pure skill to reach 100K.......
So i name this test as.......... SYSTEMATIC TRENDS BETTING......
The more in test the more i understands RANDOM.
1; RANDOM FORMS PATTERN
2; PATTERNS FORM TRENDS
3; TRENDS.....FORM...??????...
4: ??????/.................??????...
5...???????.................???????....
6.....?????..........????????....
THESE R THE PROPERTIES OF RANDOM.....
..BET MORE WHEN FAVOURABLE BET LESS WHEN UNFAVOURABLE.
CHEERS
WIN1WIN2.....WIN MORE WHEN WINNING.....LOSE LESS WHEN LOSING....
Win1Win2
After reading their post for years At GG...
after reading their post for days at GG...
Spikes rep at GG is well deserved but you can not be serious re Wonderman.
His contribution all over the web consist of nothing but patterns and how clever he is.
The diversity of Spikes roulette topics in the GG archive is not equalled,anywhere or by anyone.
.. conflict does have a funny side. Good to see more of a sense of humour about it. I only wish it would stay that way. some pretty funny pics here.
Quote from: win1win2 on March 31, 2011, 12:11:27 PM
dublinbets is a very fair way to test your skill..
Nope, its not. Not only do they cheat, you can fudge the results of your playing. Dublin is worthless.
Quote from: zippyplayer on March 31, 2011, 04:28:24 PM
The diversity of Spikes roulette topics in the GG archive is not equalled,anywhere or by anyone.
I have over 16,000 posts at GG. I love to talk about roulette.
Quote from: cheese on March 31, 2011, 08:13:11 PM
I have over 16,000 posts at GG. I love to talk about roulette.
That was good for a laugh. You are not Mother Teressa of the Roulette Thinkers Union. To this date I have openly shared what I do with at least ten people. You have actually shared nothing with anyone. !6,000 posts by you proves that at least.
You actually never share anything of value with anyone. Now you want votes for clever pictures posted by you. Try to image this: There is an image of a cheese stick. It's deep fried in an pan of lard and is totally great to the taste buds. Now imagine that same cheese stick standing on a soap box proclaiming all the virtues of all the times it has stood on that same soap box before. What does that image reflect to you?
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 01, 2011, 01:33:29 AM
To this date I have openly shared what I do with at least ten people.
And 4 of them have reported that you taught them squat, it doesn't work. Its only a matter of time till we hear form others.
Quote from: cheese on April 01, 2011, 01:45:12 AM
And 4 of them have reported that you taught them squat, it doesn't work. Its only a matter of time till we hear form others.
We will hear from others you Titanic puke. I'm about to turn the entire world on you. Your trick four will amount to your secret squad of admirers. That strikes me as incredibly funny too. You have been pretending to be these four's comfort in a storm. That's truly funny in it's own right. Thanks for tonight's laugh. You own this.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 01, 2011, 01:51:27 AM
I'm about to turn the entire world on you. Your trick four will amount to your secret squad of admirers.
All you've proven in the last year is that talk is cheap. Except for those that paid you for it..
Quote from: cheese on April 04, 2011, 12:10:34 AM
All you've proven in the last year is that talk is cheap. Except for those that paid you for it..
Well one thing you should get straight. I started teaching 8 months ago. Two of them paid nothing, one paid half price. In the past 6 weeks I've turned down several that wanted to pay me. I'm well aware of every spot where many students get stuck or give up. But a computer doesn't get tired out and I can give it my experience unlike any student. I have that experience teaching others. You don't have any of that you tired old wind bag. BTW, I can give each student a working version of this for free. You really sound more like an IRS tax collector than a real person. All you do is moan and groan like an old lady.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 04, 2011, 12:57:31 AM
I'm well aware of every spot where many students get stuck or give up.
Ya, its the spot where you have to figure out where your next bet goes. Its where everybody gets stuck.
Quote from: cheese on April 04, 2011, 01:09:01 AM
Ya, its the spot where you have to figure out where your next bet goes. Its where everybody gets stuck.
Not everybody. I'm still waiting for all ten to contact you Father Roulette. You should milk that for a while.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 04, 2011, 02:00:54 AM
Not everybody. I'm still waiting for all ten to contact you
According to the ones I've talked to so far, thats one tidbit you left out of the teaching. You never showed anybody where to place the winning bet. I'm sure its true, they all say it. Now we know why. You have no idea where it goes.
Quote from: cheese on April 04, 2011, 02:25:05 AM
According to the ones I've talked to so far, thats one tidbit you left out of the teaching. You never showed anybody where to place the winning bet. I'm sure its true, they all say it. Now we know why. You have no idea where it goes.
Why don't you prove that it can be done. You keep telling us that I never showed them where to place the next bet. There is no way on planet earth I wanted them to be dependent on me. I wanted them to learn how to make that choice on their own, and with their own experience too. If these people are so stupid that they expected that then you can have them. But don't worry Father Roulette. I have something even for them. One thing. If they are that dumb I really need to double charge them. I dare you to name them.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 04, 2011, 02:38:40 AM
You keep telling us that I never showed them where to place the next bet. There is no way on planet earth I wanted them to be dependent on me.
You got me on that one, I literally burst out laughing. Seriously, I did. No, you can't show people who are paying you where to bet, that would be too easy. Everybody knows a real teacher never gives any answers, they just let the students find them on their own. You're priceless, Gizmo. Do you actually believe your own BS?
Quote from: cheese on April 04, 2011, 03:15:43 AM
You got me on that one, I literally burst out laughing. Seriously, I did. No, you can't show people who are paying you where to bet, that would be too easy. Everybody knows a real teacher never gives any answers, they just let the students find them on their own. You're priceless, Gizmo. Do you actually believe your own BS?
This has been your entire argument. You require that I show students where to place bets. You know the one about giving a person a fish or teaching them to catch fish for themselves? You must be the kind of teacher that likes endless welfare and dependency. At this point you are nothing but a distraction. You hold the same value to me as any of the trolls that come to this forum. I wonder about anyone here that might actually take you serious. So far you are impressive to at least 5. That's way better than at GG.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 04, 2011, 03:37:29 AM
This has been your entire argument. You require that I show students where to place bets.
I'll tell you this much, if I paid you real money and you DIDN'T show me where to lace the next bet, I'd be getting a refund. I'm not paying for theories and ideas, I'm paying to be shown how and where to place the winning bet.
Here's Gizmo teaching his students:
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Why is there no option for "they are equally smart"?
Both are spouting nonsense and it's hard to tell who is the more ridiculous. :sarcastic:
Quote from: Mike on April 04, 2011, 11:41:33 AM
Why is there no option for "they are equally smart"?
Both are spouting nonsense and it's hard to tell who is the more ridiculous. :sarcastic:
It's just a typical fly paper typed thread. Cheese has posted nineteen times in it so far. I have only posted eight times, including posting the original poll and this too. Cheese / Spike is fixated on me. He's pretending to be a father figure to all my disillusioned students that have come to him for advice or at least a shoulder to cry on. So he is so happy to have that Father Roulette attention that he has so deservedly earned for himself over the past four years.
What puzzles me Mike is how you see a need for an other qualifier in the poll. Perhaps you should seek the guidance of Father Roulette yourself. You know him, the patron saint of lost losers and Roulette addicts. Remember to stick around. That's the nature of these fly paper threads.
Gizmo's last 2 students:
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(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fthemagicnegro.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F03%2Fdunce.jpg&hash=ae9005117985674fa923c1af0daec47c8a96c3d7)
We need another option:
Cheese and Gizmotron are equally inept/ignorant and talk nothing but nonsense.
Quote from: curious on April 14, 2011, 01:15:21 PM
We need another option:
Cheese and Gizmotron are equally inept/ignorant and talk nothing but nonsense.
Don't feed the troll.