hi guys
do any of u good roulette players know where i can get a good but free roulette simulator
so i can test my systems and strategies
Message me if you do
Thanks Gamblerii
Roulette Extreme - UX software
Have fun :-)
RX is a must, but it free trial only. i advice u to buy it, it is a great product, it is very cheap(30 bucks only), and through this u can test more than 30(!!!) german wheels, random.org actuals, and RX RNG itself, both zero and double zero, and no zero.
just a simulation is not enough
Quote from: iggiv on April 02, 2011, 01:00:48 PM
RX is a must, but it free trial only. I advice u to buy it, it is a great product, it is very cheap(30 bucks only), and through this u can test more than 30(!!!) german wheels, random.org actuals, and RX RNG itself, both zero and double zero, and no zero.
just a simulation is not enough
You might as well learn a computer language and become your own programmer. There is no way to ever build a working simulation that actually beats Roulette with RX. Yes, I know they built their own scripting language for RX. It's far too limiting in scope. It just won't go as far as needed to go to beat this game. In fact you already have to know how to beat this game before you can ever write a simulation that attempts to mimic that knowledge. But what the heck, RX is cheap entertainment and it serves a greater good anyway. You should never test out your simulation and theories in a real casino. That's a true waste of money.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 02, 2011, 01:26:36 PM
RX is cheap entertainment
RX isn't entertainment, its a powerful tool. I use it every day. It does everything for you, and does it immediately. Anyone serious about roulette has to have it, best money you'll ever spend.
Quote from: cheese on April 02, 2011, 10:23:40 PM
RX isn't entertainment, its a powerful tool. I use it every day. It does everything for you, and does it immediately. Anyone serious about roulette has to have it, best money you'll ever spend.
I guess if you aren't a programmer you can learn to live with the scraps that fall from the table. I always get a kick out of software user's and their cheer leader demonstrations. Spike and his pom poms is almost good enough an image for that.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 02, 2011, 10:41:27 PM
I guess if you aren't a programmer you can learn to live with the scraps that fall from the table.
Better than walking around with my nose in the air pretending I know 10 times more than I do and fooling nobody.
Here we go again. Gizmo and cheese.
Stupid...
Quote from: cheese on April 03, 2011, 04:54:49 AM
Better than walking around with my nose in the air pretending I know 10 times more than I do and fooling nobody.
If gizmo said RX was a good tool, then you would of said RX was a bad tool to use.
Simple as that.
Even your signature is about Gizmo. We are all sick of your stupid b***hing. Get a life mate.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 03, 2011, 09:03:46 AM
If gizmo said RX was a good tool, then you would of said RX was a bad tool to use.
Nooooo, I've been saying for 5 years that RX is an awesome tool, why on earth would I change my opinion? And my sig line is hardly about Gizmo, and he knows it. I've been posting about chumps for years. Do a little more studying, sonny, you're a bit behind the times..
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 03, 2011, 09:03:46 AM
*modified by MOD.* :rtfm:
If gizmo said RX was a good tool, then you would of said RX was a bad tool to use.
Simple as that.
Even your *modified* signature is about Gizmo. We are all sick of your stupid b***hing. Get a life man.
bud, please be nice. Don't call people names. thanx
let's put insignificant quarrels apart. Please no fight here. I don't want to give warnings.
We tolerate different opinions about each other ideas as far as they are not a direct insult.
thanx
but anyway RX is a GREAT TOOL.
and it is hard to become a programmer for average Joe
"You might as well learn a computer language and become your own programmer"
Gizmotron, that's right, but is not easy for a person which did not deal with programming before. I know that some people which are into programming don't use RX, they prefer something else. But there is little choice for other people.
Quote from: iggiv on April 03, 2011, 01:11:58 PM
but anyway RX is a GREAT TOOL.
and it is hard to become a programmer for average Joe
I'm just saying that all you can get from RX is an education about Roulette where you discover what does not work, like systems and mechanical rule based systems and methods like that. And that's a necessary education to have. None of you can write an RX sim that wins in the long run. That doesn't automatically make you stupid. What you do with that knowledge is what has a tendency to make people stupid. Show me the great RX method that is ground breaking. You can't find one. That should tell you something.
there is no long run winning mechanical system, and it does not have anything to do with RX. that's roulette.
but with RX u can play whatever u want-- manually. I've found recently a way even not to click a mouse, u use a keyboard instead, testing becomes so much easier. I gave all the info in forums
Quote from: cheese on April 03, 2011, 04:54:49 AM
Better than walking around with my nose in the air pretending I know 10 times more than I do and fooling nobody.
You know something Spike? You get to keep making noise like that for just a few more months at the most. Then everyone will know who is pretending.
Quote from: iggiv on April 03, 2011, 01:11:58 PM
Gizmotron, that's right, but is not easy for a person which did not deal with programming before. I know that some people which are into programming don't use RX, they prefer something else. But there is little choice for other people.
To get a random spin from an RNG:
on mouseUp
put random(37) into field "spins"
end mouseUp
To repeat 100 spins:
put "" into spinList
repeat with i = 1 to 100
put random(37) & ", " after spinList
end repeat
put spinList into field "spinListField"
xTalk languages make cross platform programming like source code that already has comments. You can just read it like natural language. Even the scripting language of RX is more complicated to learn. The very best xTalk environment is Runtime Revolution. You can build a graphic user interface in under one minute.
To do all that programming you must learn what an attribute is. In this case spinList is an attribute. All it does is act as a container to hold the text that makes up that list of 100 spins. Those spins are separated by a comma and one empty space for each spin. In xTalk you are not required to allocate computer memory space. All those lower functions are not necessary to write. This is a fourth generation programming language. If your goal is to write Roulette simulations then learning this language is the best, easiest, and fastest, being less work and the least lines of code to build functions. BTW, NASA uses it. Now you have inside context to base your decisions on.
thank U for the info Gizmo
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 03, 2011, 01:46:24 PM
Then everyone will know who is pretending.
Not sure about Cheese, but your pretending for sure Gizmo.... :nono: :nono:
Your Internet connection must be close to "full speed" but your section remains empty..... ??? :o ???
"I flat bet with a two tier progression" or words to that affect (I cannot find the quote) :-[ :-[
But on your "testing" thread with Mike you use an ACTUAL progression ??
WTF ??
You have a plaster for EVERY sore..... :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:
I think you got what you wanted.....
The forum "hanging on your every word" :swoon: :swoon: :swoon:
You even had a go at cheese for not answering a question ??
My god ?? EVERY question I have asked you, you have ignored :rtfm: :rtfm: :rtfm:
the ONLY thing you are consistent in, is being inconsistent......
the 1st April has passed BTW.....
So I decided to read the book on RX scripting. It's third generation code at best.
Example of a simple interface in their example:
System "my system"
Method "main"
Begin
__While Starting a New Session
__Begin
___Input Data "Enter your starting Bankroll" to Bankroll
__End
End
Now in xTalk language
put "Enter your starting Bankroll" into field "statements"
startNewSession
-----------------------------------------
on startNewSession
global holdBankroll
-- this will allow you to call up your current bankroll from anything in the interface and at later times too.
put the text of field "Bankroll" into holdBankroll
end startNewSession
RunRev automatically knows that the text can also be a value. So it logically deals with it as text "500" or it as a value 500. All you need to do is write startNewSession on a line of it's own, that's from anywhere in the software too. It will get the value you have entered in your bankroll in the interface. That's one line of code after you have that simple function written somewhere. It's almost like having automatic object oriented programming.
I hope you can see a difference and that both RX and RunRev are not too confusing.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 03, 2011, 03:16:06 PM
You where worth it too. :thumbsup:
You WERE worth it too.... MENSA boy :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:
& well done for staying away from those tricky questions...... :good: :good: :good: :good:
In my opinion, RX is a useless tool. Its blunt but its true. You can't beat an RNG, which why i believe its useless.
All testing should be evaluated on a real physical wheel.
James.
Quote from: cheese on April 02, 2011, 10:23:40 PM
RX isn't entertainment, its a powerful tool. I use it every day. It does everything for you, and does it immediately. Anyone serious about roulette has to have it, best money you'll ever spend.
It is indeed entertainment. RX is an affiliate product that get's sold on clickbank. It's just a tool to make you believe you can devise a winning strategy. The guy who is selling this knows nothing about roulette. He is just an affiliate marketer with a product.
That's it.
Cheese you have said you have used RX for some time now, and you think its the best money you'll ever spend.
I can my bet my life you are not beating RNG.
It's actually the worst thing you can spend your money on. RX Is there to waste people's time because you CANT beat RNG.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 03, 2011, 05:45:30 PM
It is indeed entertainment. RX is an affiliate product that get's sold on clickbank. It's just a tool to make you believe you can devise a winning strategy. The guy who is selling this knows nothing about roulette. He is just an affiliate marketer with a product.
That's it.
Cheese you have said you have used RX for some time now, and you think its the best money you'll ever spend.
I can my bet my life you are not beating RNG.
It's actually the wothing you can spend your money on. RX Is there to waste people's time because you CANT beat RNG.
RX CAN be used to import real spins from a real wheel. That's what most everyone uses it for, not the worthless RNG. You can import real spins from a real brick and mortar casino, speilbank Weisban. That is what cheese is referring to.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on April 03, 2011, 06:10:02 PM
RX CAN be used to import real spins from a real wheel. That's what most everyone uses it for, not the worthless RNG. You can import real spins from a real brick and mortar casino, speilbank Weisban. That is what cheese is referring to.
Sure, i take your point.
But most people though, believe its a piece of software that can enable them to find a winning system. I'm saying for most people, i think RX creates false hopes and endless amounts of wasted time.
well, then dont blame RX but rather roulette itself. RX just does what it does -- lets u quickly test your methods with
real spins or RNG spins. of course it can't do anything magical. But some people not using RX-- test their methods just by manual calculating, taking some spins occasionally from somewhere. Those people would save lots of effort and time by using stuff like RX. As we say it is just a tool, not more than this. If u don't know how to use a guitar or piano u don't use it, u don't blame it for your musical inability. So the same goes for roulette tools.
and then there is one more important thing. if u did not test your method enough, but rather just a little without RX, u still put lots of effort into it (paperwork and etc). U got tired, u got frustrated, u r fed up. U went to play real money, u lost. Here u go. With RX u would test it a lot on different wheels with relatively small effort, no paperwork, u saved your results as jpg. u lost virtually, not real money. u saved some money, and it could be a big money if this is a usual story for some people, which do a little test then go and lose.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 03, 2011, 05:45:30 PM
Cheese you have said you have used RX for some time now, and you think its the best money you'll ever spend.
I can my bet my life you are not beating RNG.
I never play RNG, why would I when I have RX. You obviously don't have clue one as to what RX is.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 03, 2011, 06:16:30 PM
Sure, I take your point.
But most people though, believe its a piece of software that can enable them to find a winning system. I'm saying for most people, I think RX creates false hopes and endless amounts of wasted time.
LOL! :haha: ;D :dance1: Way too funny. You obvioulsly have no idea what RX is or what it does, yet you're an expert on it. Why are you even on this forum?
RX is a big thing for a roulette player. I am not saying it will help everybody win, but for sure it helps many people not lose.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 03, 2011, 06:16:30 PM
But most people though, believe its a piece of software that can enable them to find a winning system. I'm saying for most people, I think RX creates false hopes and endless amounts of wasted time.
I don't believe that statement is true. I think most people use RX as a testing and analysis tool, not something that will GIVE them the Holy Grail.
AD
James imagine yourself in just one day or two being able to play virtually in 4-5 german casinos on lots of wheels. more than 30. 2,3,4 hours each. think about it. in real life you would spend maybe 2 weeks, maybe more. And I am not sure they would be too happy to see u clocking their wheels without placing any bets.
Quote from: ADulay on April 03, 2011, 09:51:18 PM
I think most people use RX as a testing and analysis tool, not something that will GIVE them the Holy Grail.
AD
Exactly. It gives you access to playing and testing that you can't get anywhere else. Its awesome.
RX has not made me a fortune BUT it HAS saved me one. It has shown me lots of things that DO NOT work :)
Long run tests have always the same results.The EV of the roulette is unbeatable.Systems give in small samples some profit and some losses.The outcome of small sample tests are very usefull to develop a strategy .Excelprograms are very suitable for testing small systems and analyse random sequences.The best strategies are based on simply systems.The worst strategies are developed for the inside bets and sectors.
Without a little knowledge of the behaviour of random sequences it is impossible to develop a good system and a successful strategy
Many interested members have download some of my free excelprograms.
Quote from: schoenpoetser on April 04, 2011, 06:24:51 AM
Without a little knowledge of the behaviour of random sequences it is impossible to develop a good system and a successful strategy
This interests me. What do you mean by "knowledge of the behavior of random sequences"? What knowledge are you referring to?
Quote from: iggiv on April 03, 2011, 09:34:42 PM
RX is a big thing for a roulette player. I am not saying it will help everybody win, but for sure it helps many people not lose.
Disagree totally.
Quote from: iggiv on April 03, 2011, 10:06:13 PM
James imagine yourself in just one day or two being able to play virtually in 4-5 german casinos on lots of wheels. more than 30. 2,3,4 hours each. think about it. in real life you would spend maybe 2 weeks, maybe more. And I am not sure they would be too happy to see u clocking their wheels without placing any bets.
I think i would perfer spending 2 weeks in a real casino oppose to using RX!
I appreciate people use it, but its impossible to devise a system because RNG is not beatable.
Quote from: cheese on April 03, 2011, 09:33:31 PM
LOL! :haha: ;D :dance1: Way too funny. You obvioulsly have no idea what RX is or what it does, yet you're an expert on it. Why are you even on this forum?
I need to be an expert in RX to be on this forum? RX really is not important. Not even 1% important to me.
Cheese: With excelprograms I analyse the different random sequences.BLaise Pascal tells me what I can expect on average.The diagrams tell me how big the deviations are in small samples.Send me an email <bouma7@msn.com> and I send you an example of a program for the ECs
Quote from: schoenpoetser on April 04, 2011, 11:47:53 AM
Cheese: With excelprograms I analyse the different random sequences.BLaise Pascal tells me what I can expect on average.The diagrams tell me how big the deviations are in small samples.Send me an email <bouma7@msn.com> and I send you an example of a program for the ECs
So if that is true then you expect the deviations in small samples to tell you where to place the next bets. Yes, Father Roulette will definitely want to talk with you. If he doesn't really get mad and fixated on you it will only be because of a deviation caused by something entirely different. You must represent no threat to his secret style of playing Roulette. That's the big deal too, you know. If Father Roulette doesn't fixate on you then he has no respect for you. What is Father Roulette's secret style anyway? When you can zero in on that then you can have your very own yelping Pit Yorkie. Down boy, sit!
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 04, 2011, 09:18:18 AM
Disagree totally.
we agree to disagree on that :)
James, I don't know who put this weird idea into your mind :)
But if u convince yourself, nobody else will be able to prove otherwise. So I am not gonna force u to use the
soft. maybe u gonna be fine without it. After all some people broke the bank before RX was created.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 04, 2011, 09:20:44 AM
I appreciate people use it, but its impossible to devise a system because RNG is not beatable.
You just don't get it. You download ACTUAL SPINS from a REAL WHEEL and use those on RX. So its just like playing in a REAL casino. Except 100 times faster. Saying you'd rather waste your time in a real casino instead of using RX is really missing the point. You use RX so you don't HAVE to waste 2 weeks in a casino.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 04, 2011, 12:33:11 PM
You must represent no threat to his secret style of playing Roulette. That's the big deal too, you know.
You mean like you represent no threat to me? Or anybody else, for that matter.
Quote from: schoenpoetser on April 04, 2011, 11:47:53 AM
Send me an email <bouma7@msn.com> and I send you an example of a program for the ECs
I don't have Excel on my computer.
get open office, it's free
Quote from: cheese on April 04, 2011, 07:59:46 PM
You just don't get it. You download ACTUAL SPINS from a REAL WHEEL and use those on RX. So its just like playing in a REAL casino. Except 100 times faster. Saying you'd rather waste your time in a real casino instead of using RX is really missing the point. You use RX so you don't HAVE to waste 2 weeks in a casino.
Point taken.
James.
Quote from: iggiv on April 04, 2011, 06:41:24 PM
we agree to disagree on that :)
James, I don't know who put this weird idea into your mind :)
But if u convince yourself, nobody else will be able to prove otherwise. So I am not gonna force u to use the
soft. maybe u gonna be fine without it. After all some people broke the bank before RX was created.
It's cool mate, I just have a strong opinion about RNG. I lost a lot of money on RNG and I would not like to see anybody lose there hard earned cash trying to beat RNG. I have taken points on board from your self and cheese and understand that RX is a usefull tool other than using it for RNG.
But I will apologise for being so blunt about RX, I jumped into something I didn't really know a lot about, that's wrong.
James.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 04, 2011, 10:25:25 PM
Point taken.
James.
RX doesn't show you the HG, it shows you everything that isn't, which is a huge time saver.
i don't know all the details but i know it is a free version of Office (not Microsoft of course). it is supposed to work with
MS OFFICE application. find out in google
Quote from: iggiv on April 04, 2011, 11:33:34 PM
I don't know all the details but I know it is a free version of Office (not Microsoft of course). it is supposed to work with
MS OFFICE application. find out in google
From what I'm reading, it will run simple Excel programs, but not complicated ones. Whatever that means.
Sorry for those who have not excel on the computer.I am not a computerfreak and cannot give advice.I can send a PDF of the program but then you only see one sample and you cannot do exercises.
I do not understand the discussion between a real roulette and a RNG.
There is no difference of a random row from a roulette wheel or a fair RNG.The software of a internet casino can be manipulated.
I repeat ,I have never lost a demonstration with a RNG.My matter of playing is overalls usual.
Quote from: schoenpoetser on April 05, 2011, 06:45:48 AM
There is no difference of a random row from a roulette wheel or a fair RNG.
In the short term, where we place bets, there is indeed a big difference. A real wheel produces true random, an RNG produces pseudo random. Fake random. They aren't the same. If you have a true winning method, this becomes immediately apparent. I won't even look at results from an RNG.
Cheese I predict you cannot see the difference between a roulette sequence and a RNG sequence.I challenge you!!!
there could be a difference which is very hard to detect. On the surface it is like no difference. In reality they may have total different patterns. i don't mean simple patterns like EC or dozens, i mean there could be complicated patterns.
RNG can be programmed very skillfully. True random is not a program, it is a product of physical events like throwing the ball, turning wheel and so on. i believe that true random can be programmed to (like on random.org), but that does not mean that every RNG machine out there behaves just like that.
Quote from: schoenpoetser on April 05, 2011, 12:18:32 PM
Cheese I predict you cannot see the difference between a roulette sequence and a RNG sequence.I challenge you!!!
The problem is, I don't care if you believe it or not. I don't do challenges.