PROGRESSIVE STREET
The following concept of betting on a single street is based on an idea by
Marigny de Grilleau, the French roulette researcher.
In principle "PROGRESSIVE STREET" attempts to hit one favorite street
with a 10 stage progression within 31 spins after determination of
the favorite.
Payout ratio for street bets is 11 : 1 .
To learn more about the appearance and probabilities for streets
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STATISTICS: 6. THE APPEARANCE OF THE TWELVE STREETS
There are only 6 simple rules to follow:
1. if a street is hit consecutively (back to back), or 2 times within 3 spins,
this street is bet.
2. the number of bets on that street is limited to 31 using the following progression:
3. if a hit is achieved in stage 1, betting on the same street continues
again with the first stage for 31 bets
4. gain target for one session is 50 units
5. zero or doublezero count as normal lost spins
6. a session is to be terminated after 31 consecutive losses
The chance of losing a session due to 31 consecutive "noshows" of a selected street is very remote.
A hit anywhere within 31 spins means always a net gain.
Example 1:
This session shows in detail the execution of PROGRESSIVE STREET. Follow the explanation on the right side if the spreadsheet.
Example 2:
Following is a session from Spielbank Dortmund-Hohensyburg, Germany,
2008-03-16, Table No. 10. Here are 2 units lost due the appearance of zero:
Example 3:
Another session from Spielbank Dortmund-Hohensyburg, Germany,
2008-03-17, Table No. 10 :
According to rule 4 the gain target for a session is 50 units. However this could easily
amount to 4 or 5 hours play depending on the average number of spins at the table.
Our recommendation is to stop anywhere within 40 to 60 spins when ahead.
Also the selection of the street might be a little bit more sophisticated.
Look again at our street stats and do some evaluations of your own.
We will also give you an update, how this betselection can be applied to 12 wheelsectors.
This is free system from win-maxx and it is not bad at all!
Hermes
I mention it that I don't play roulette systems - I just fool around with them on paper.
Now I like Margny - so I will test this approach.
One thing do - is that zero generate a complete loss - one full event.
That is why when this systems see the light - I don't understand why not use the wheels layout.
If so then zero comes with one sector as one extra number and just reduce one full event to be a loss.
Sectors using the wheel layout.
0. 26 0 32 15
1. 19 4 21
2. 2 25 17
3. 34 6 27
4. 13 36 11
5. 30 8 23
6. 10 5 24
7. 16 33 1
8. 20 14 31
9. 9 22 18
10. 29 7 28
11. 12 35 3
Illustration.
13 4
18 9
18 9
25 2
8 5
7 10
18 9
30 5
15 0
25 2
6 3
26 0
7 10
4 1
25 2
22 9
29 10
2 2
27 3
6 3
8 5
30 5
3 11
17
22
30
How to make quick test - go to random org - download numbers 0 to 11 and follow the rules above.
As 0 to 11 indicate sectors of three where sector 0 include one extra number you should get acc data.
3
5
2
10
1
2
6
8
6
4
8
3
10
1
10
4
9
3
9
1
9
10
11
4
7
1
I dont belive in 31 all in - but I assume if some one could develop a fibo where you win +1 or break even +0 using the first 31 steps and could apply a new line after that where you recoup losses if first 31 lose - it could take a very long time for it to fail as in 2x31 two stages.
MY OPINION
There are only 6 simple rules to follow:
1. if a street is hit consecutively (back to back), or 2 times within 3 spins,
this street is bet >>> What if its the SAME number hit, still counts as two?
Ken
if a method works, it should work very well on hit-n-run basis (flatbet). here i checked a little and was not impressed.
u see, first test couple of times were OK, but then....consistently going down. my conclusion: there gonna be quite frequent situations when the chosen street will sleep more than 31 time and your bankroll will go south.
If a street was hit twice -- it still can go for long long sleep.
Quote from: iggiv on April 19, 2011, 08:22:20 PM
if a method works, it should work very well on hit-n-run basis (flatbet). here I checked a little and was not impressed.
u see, first test couple of times were OK, but then....consistently going down. my conclusion: there gonna be quite frequent situations when the chosen street will sleep more than 31 time and your bankroll will go south.
If a street was hit twice -- it still can go for long long sleep.
Well done :-)
If number comes twice or twice in 3 spins it is considered as no sleeper. Cannot be played flat! I tested it on ca. 1000 spins about a year ago and the 31 progression won always. Once I got to play for 25 spins!
This system is playable even without testing. For sure sometimes you get a blue eye but not often. We should concentrate on the best way how to recognize not sleeping streets.
Hermes
my opinion is: usually if method works consistently, it should work on hit-run basis with flatbets. Otherwise u will get a "blue eye" pretty much soon and will be wiped out.
there is now way to tell if the street is gonna be a sleeper. Well, just my 2 cents. i could be wrong.
I worked some time ago with groups of 3,4, 6 numbers (certain configuration of the wheel) using progressions--sometimes it worked, but then lost. I consider it as a way to nowhere.
my opinion is also that you can never know for sure when one event go to sleep
today i test something similar - wait for one number to hit three times then play that number and the number that hit last twice - its amazing how i could flat betting 18 times for each attack and end up with a positive result
but after i run 25 sessions i got a strike of two loses - 36 units each - no big issue but is just does not cut it flat betting
i believe if some one could use Kelly criteria or maria staking plan - then they could sure make a full year witch end positive
but on boards like this is very littel of bet % using bankroll and to much about progressions
can u pls elaborate on Kelly criteria or Maria plan? thanx
If you lost twice in 25 sessions all together 72 chips how much did you win in the 23 sessions? Are you in plus or minus? It is important that the system gives more than takes away. That's my definition for Holy Grail. HG is grinder which in the long run makes more money than lose.
Hermes
i don't believe that u will be in plus, honestly. sometimes, yes, not on a long run. if u can prove otherwise i will be more than happy. I checked 3,4, 6 number groups on the wheel with different triggers, i dont see a reason why a street behaves differently. u cant fool roulette just like this. yes u can be lucky but this wont last forever.
iggi you can fool dealers for ever with the right attitude.
Hermes
u can fool dealers even convince them u r a lucky winning idiot i guess. they are only humans. but i doubt u can fool roulette randomness even if u stand up on your head and dance naked
That's good one, but I have no problems at Roulette, Craps, SicBo and Baccarat tables. I don't bother with BJ and other crap. I play only where I have an edge. There are good systems like Diodoro, Rain Drop or Ales with which can be winners even beggars if enough bankroll.
Hermes
good for ya my friend Hermes....
however...do all these system rely on long progressions? if so-- das ist no gut, i think....
too dangerous...i know what long progressions can do to u...
Most of the progressions are not rising when the systems are in the losing phase. Like D'Alembert's Win +1 unit; 3 Losses -1 unit or Leveller which freeze when negative phase. Not aggressive progressions like Martingale etc.
Even Fibonacci could be dangerous but flat bets are not the answer. They don't overcome the house edge. Could be a crystal ball?
Hermes
Quote from: hermes on April 23, 2011, 04:20:57 PM
Most of the progressions are not rising when the systems are in the losing phase.
what the heck does it mean???
and by the way progressions DONT OVERCOME THE HOUSE EDGE.
Progressions overcome the house edge as long as you don't run out of money or hit the table limit, where's the problem?
You just laid 2 problems on the table. Once you are attached to a string of progression bets, all you can hope for is that the next line of numbers won`t ram your head into one of those two obstacles.
Quote from: Antibet on April 23, 2011, 05:59:44 PM
Progressions overcome the house edge as long as you don't run out of money or hit the table limit, where's the problem?
which means they DO NOT generally. they may save the situation temporarily...but not on a consistent basis.
Quote from: iggiv on April 23, 2011, 06:14:21 PM
which means they DO NOT generally. they may save the situation temporarily...but not on a consistent basis.
Exactly, that is why thread 'staring us in the face' was written.