F knows where this idea came from?? but I thank whatever popped it in my head :D
What I really like about this is it's VERY easy to play,and not long to track before a betting opportunity!
It's based on the dozens and/or columns, and betting will be on 2 of the dozens/columns using a slight progression 1-1 2-2 3-3 4-4....ect up on a loss,down on a win, instead of the aggressive 1,3,9,27..ect
I called it System X because what the aim is, is to bet against a X forming..... here let me explain:
Tracking the first 2 dozens out, say it was 1 and 2, this is the top of the X:
12
Now were betting the rest of the X will not complete itself, and a X complete on 1 and 2 would look like this:
12
21
But.....
12
23
Is incomplete,follow?
here are a few more complete X's so you get what I mean
11
11
31
13
23
32... think you get it now.
As for the zero, this will be counted a pain in the butt Joker on the bottom of the X:
12
0
12
20
But if a zero forms on the top of the X then stop n form a new top.
In action, System X looks like this:
12
3 --2 never formed so win +1
31
3 w+2
12
3 w+3
33
33 (1-1 2-2) LL-3
23
1 (3-3) w-0
23
2 (2-2) w+2
32
1 w+3
13
1 w+4
23
1 w+5
32
1 w+6
As you can see,it does ok for a system...now I must go and test it to death ;D enjoy!
LD
Test using the real wheel again:
33
1 w+1
31
11 lw+1
21
2 w+2
11
2 w+3
21
3 w+4
12
23 lw +4
32
3 w +5
13
1 w+6
23
1 w+7
32
3 w+8
33
1 w+9
LD
More...
33
31 lw 0
31
3 w+1
21
3 w+2
22
3 w+3
33
2 w+4
12
3 w+5
13
1 w+6
12
23 lw +6
11
2 w+7
33
03 ll +1..sod it ran out of numbers :-[
Interesting idea, I especially like the progression. Will have a play with this.
I can not understand what you are betting and how much.
For example:the last two spins are dozen 1 and dozen 3 .What do you bet? I think you do not expect dozen 3 ,so you bet one unit on dozen 1 and 2. The outcome is dozen 3.What is your next move?
Blaise Pascal say every two spins have 9 different possible rows.There are three rows starting with dozen 3. The chance for a hit is 33,3%
How is there 9 possible rows?
Quote from: schoenpoetser on April 30, 2011, 01:32:19 PM
I can not understand what you are betting and how much.
For example:the last two spins are dozen 1 and dozen 3 .What do you bet? I think you do not expect dozen 3 ,so you bet one unit on dozen 1 and 2. The outcome is dozen 3.What is your next move?
Blaise Pascal say every two spins have 9 different possible rows.There are three rows starting with dozen 3. The chance for a hit is 33,3%
not a clue what your on about???
I think what schoenpoetser is trying to say is that this method gives you no advantage ;D
I am not pulling the system down but you need to play these methods with cool hard cash for a few days , maybe a week or so and report back , for me the success is in the hard cash won that proves this is a reasonable bet at least.
Quote from: libertydog on April 30, 2011, 10:38:50 AM
Tracking the first 2 dozens out, say it was 1 and 2, this is the top of the X:
here are a few more complete X's so you get what I mean
11
11
31
13
23
32... think you get it now.
Actually, I get it. Very clever and simple. Probably not a long term winner, but neither is anything else when betting the dozens. However, it is just clever enough to play with for awhile.
Thanks.
AD
Quote from: libertydog on April 30, 2011, 10:38:50 AM
F knows where this idea came from?? but I thank whatever popped it in my head... :D
... this is the top of the X:...
@ libertydog,
I like it!
I wouldn't mind popping a few of them ones myself.
Top of the X?... You can go straight to the top of the class.
Mate, I reckon you could go close to winning the Great Cheesy Challenge with this one. All you need is the X factor money management schedule (not too difficult), and maybe tweak it to bet every spin (easy done).
Cheers, and thanx for posting.
Quote from: Kagatori on April 30, 2011, 02:11:55 PM
How is there 9 possible rows?
Spin 1 : 3 possibilities 1 2 3
spin 2 : 3^2 = 9 rows 11-12-13-22-23-21-33-32-31
Spin 3 : 3^3=27 rows. try to make all possible rows of three outcomes
I made a mistake.If you bet two dozens the chance of a hit is 66,6%.The next bet on two dozens is allways 66.6%
The chance for a lost bet on the row100/9 =11.11%
No account the zero.
I don't think it's possible to win some thing like +40 units (or more) profit with this , has any one actually won any thing with this method.
I've tried this system with 4 hours play with Super Casino real wheel. I used 4 previous days worth of spins and last nights. Of those had I been playing for real money, I would have been well in profit on 4 and a small loss on one. Had I been putting £20 per dozen I would have been £500+ up. I have the d!state at home to verify this. I don't know why this way of playing is so effective but it is. Not suggesting its the H.G. and when. I test it somemore it could go downhill but very positive so far.
I also forgot to mention I used flat bets. You only need to get two right to one miss to break even and 3 to one ratio to make a profit.
A system popped in my head, I posted it where it's meant to go. Never said it was a long term winner or a HG. hopefully it's a seed for something better to grow
Looks good so far! As stated above I did very well with flat bets Also I didn't wait for an "X" to form, I bet continuously, only stopping for the odd 0. So for example
12
1 I still placed chips on the other half of the X not forming. The other good thong about this system is with a 3 spin gap you have a good chance of missing the 0. Good idea LD. Will give it some more tests.
A strange session last night with at one point it was almost stuck in the 3 rd dozen. However with the 3 spin gap I sailed through it like a ship in. a storm. Another positive session. Any chance we could do a large spin data on this? Or some more of you could test. it? By the way apologies to LD don't mean to hijack your system. One small tweak I might try is if the same dozen hits 3 times on the bounce I might leave it. incase its going on a long run in one dozen. Although I only had that happen once last night and I made thst loss back in quickly. Here is last nights data;
1 1
1 2 w
1 3
2 3 w
3 2
3 1 w
1 3
2 1 L
3 3
2 1 W
0
1 3
2 3 w
2 1
3 1 w
1 3
2 2 w
2 3
1 3 w
1 2
1 3 w
3 3
1 3 L
1 2
2 3 w
2 1
3 3 w
1 3
1 2 w
3 2
3 1 w
1 3
1 1 L
3 3
3 3 L
3 3
1 3 L
3 3
2 1 w
3 3
1 1 w
2 2
3 1 w
2 3
3 3 w
1 3
3 3 w
3 3
0
3 2
3 1 w
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A strange session last night with at one point it was almost stuck in the 3 rd dozen. However with the 3 spin gap I sailed through it like a ship in. a storm. Another positive session. Any chance we could do a large spin data on this? Or some more of you could test. it? By the way apologies to LD don't mean to hijack your system. One small tweak I might try is if the same dozen hits 3 times on the bounce I might leave it. incase its going on a long run in one dozen. Although I only had that happen once last night and I made thst loss back in quickly. Here is last nights data;
1 1
1 2 w
1 3
2 3 w
3 2
3 1 w
1 3
2 1 L
3 3
2 1 W
0
1 3
2 3 w
2 1
3 1 w
1 3
2 2 w
2 3
1 3 w
1 2
1 3 w
3 3
1 3 L
1 2
2 3 w
2 1
3 3 w
1 3
1 2 w
3 2
3 1 w
1 3
1 1 L
3 3
3 3 L
3 3
1 3 L
3 3
2 1 w
3 3
1 1 w
2 2
3 1 w
2 3
3 3 w
1 3
3 3 w
3 3
0
3 2
3 1 w
Maybe I'm getting this wrong, but aren't all of those wins except 3333?
if you lose on the first bet you win on second?
Never mind, I saw you bet the second even if the first loses
How much did you win at the end then?
Is it better to bet the second if you win on the first or not?
I count 28 bets and 21 won.That is 21\0,28= 75%.On average it should be about 65%.Conclusion it was a very lucky session.The system is nice and you can play it in a strategy.Start the session after a virtual lost is the basic of a successful strategy.
I was thinking. . .
What do you think of betting combined Xs? Let me explain, we track 4 number then miss three right?
We get something like:
12
31
23
11
21
33
. . .
What about combineing them together like:
12
31
23
11
21
33
. . .
so we bet every row
we bet the red bolded
What do you think?
I tried this out on real money and did nothing but loose , first bet was 0 :(
Followed by a string of losses , don't want to pull systems down but this offers no advantage what so ever over random betting.
Give it a try Sogget, I'm happy testing it this way for now, despite shoeinpostet s doom and gloom.
And Kingspin why ate you testing in with real money without thoroughly testing it first? And are you using real wheel or RNG? Oh well I'm going to give it anoyher week of testing then take it from there .
I lost on a real wheel , I had a bad start with 0 hitting on the first spin , I just have a gut feeling this method works no better than just betting any random two dozens. I think players could win a few chips playing this method but it's not a method I like or will play again , I don't advise any one to play this system for long or losses will come.
system rating is 6 out of ten. Playing 2 dozens generally sucks big time as you have to play long sessions to even stand any chance of even a relatively small profit. Good luck to any one attempting to win with this method , because thats what you need , lots of luck! :girl_wacko:
The answer to your question kagatori , you ask why don't I test the system before playing for real money.
The answer is testing proves nothing , one set of say 1000 spins is different from the next set of 1000 spins!.
Personally I just play real money and take the losses or big wins which ever happens. Testing wastes valuable gambling time. I used to test systems a lot but got fed up with it , these days i just go for it >:D
Lol you're a braver man than I kingspin! I do enjoy your systems though so when I get paid xp might give one a crack.
Good luck