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Title: all bets are equal
Post by: pins on June 03, 2011, 05:22:15 AM
single numbers or even money chances. it makes no difference. people think they have a better chance playing the even money chances. but there is no difference . their is one ceritanty. winning aint easy
Title: Re: all bets are equal
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 03, 2011, 06:46:46 AM
A dog will never catch his own tail no matter how  hard he  tries.

Common sense  should tell us  that luck can neither   be programmed  nor  tested..  


Pims,

How  are you doing with the ponies? Here in the US the next excitement will be  the BELMONT ., the finale of the      2011Triple  Crown.
Title: Re: all bets are equal
Post by: schoenpoetser on June 04, 2011, 01:18:31 PM
Pins you are unknown with the French roulette. The EV of the even chances is 1,35 and the EV of  the other chances is 2,7.  Mixed bets have an EV of about 2,0 . The EV of American roulette with the double zero is 5,4.You are a donkey , if you play AR.
Title: Re: all bets are equal
Post by: pins on June 04, 2011, 08:15:23 PM
i maintain all bets on a roulette table single zero. are the same in the long run.
Title: Re: all bets are equal
Post by: schoenpoetser on June 05, 2011, 11:35:08 AM
This is a capital mistake.You ignore the maths.Maths do not lie.
Title: Re: all bets are equal
Post by: guido1 on June 09, 2011, 01:33:58 PM
Quote from: pins link=topic=18802. msg136899#msg136899 date=1307089335
single numbers or even money chances.  it makes no difference.  people think they have a better chance playing the even money chances.  but there is no difference .  their is one ceritanty.  winning aint easy
If winning was easy every one would be doing it and the casinos would not offer such beatable games.

It can make a difference.
It is not always about winning percentages and house edge.
The difference lies in the variance.  Especially short term.  I think we all know that.
Here is what I mean by variance.

How about 10 million players betting "3 spins your out".

First bet $1, for 3 spins on your favorite even money bet. 
The most 10 million players could ever win would be $3 and the most they could lose would be $3.  Of course they could parlay that first $1 into $8 and almost 1 in 10 would win $8.  Dinner at McDs.

Now bet $1 straight up (00 wheel) same house edge but less chances of winning.
The most 10 million players could ever win would be $105 and the most they could lose would be still be $3.
The 182 players that hit their 3 numbers are having a very nice fancy dinner.
How many of those 182 parlayed? If 1 did they could have turned $1 into $46,656 (assuming you could make a $1296 SU bet)

How about the 20,231 players that hit 2 out of their 3 numbers.  That $69 (without a parlay) still buys a very nice dinner.
How about the 748,470 (1 in 13) players that hit 1 out of their 3 numbers.  That $33 still buys a nice dinner.

Variance does cut both ways.  Still nice to have that choice.

Title: Re: all bets are equal
Post by: Carpanta on June 09, 2011, 02:01:57 PM
Dumb topics need dumb answers.

All bets are not equal. I assure you winning bets are far more better than losing ones.

Now more seriously.
Every roulette session has at least one winning system to beat it. Problem?! is to find the right dinamic bet selection to match the present outcomes. One which adapts itself to rythm and frecuence, how and when "your" event/s is/are being spinned.


Cheers,
Carlos.
Title: Re: all bets are equal
Post by: schoenpoetser on June 10, 2011, 06:24:25 AM
If you use proper the variance of small samples you can have a small profit.
The question is,are the ECs bets and  the other bets equal?
On the French roulette you will lose 1,35% on the even chances and 2,7% on the others.They are not equal.You are a donkey betting on double zero roulette.
Title: Re: all bets are equal
Post by: pins on June 11, 2011, 03:52:15 AM
the house edge on the single zero is the same for all bets,.
Title: Re: all bets are equal
Post by: schoenpoetser on June 11, 2011, 05:12:32 AM
Pins I cannot understand you!!I wrote it so many times and in some cases I have computed the house edge here on the forum.I think you do not know the difference between  the French ,European and the American roulette.
For the French roulette the house edge or EV is for the even chances 1,35 and the others 2,7.For a mixed bet it is more complicated to compute the edge and is about 2,0.
Don`t make these mistakes in the future!!!
.
Title: Re: all bets are equal
Post by: col1879 on August 07, 2011, 12:32:16 AM
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on June 03, 2011, 06:46:46 AM
A dog will never catch his own tail no matter how  hard he  tries.

I have never heard that expression before, and I disagree. I have seen my dog catch his own tail many times.