and they are all here. oh yeah and at the the other board. and they believe they are smarter than Einstein and real mathematicians and everyone who has gone before them. and they do not understand the simple concept of random and independent. carry on....
if a system begins with the words "wait for..." than it is worthless. if a system is based on progressing bets than it is worthless. if a system is based on following or not following a perceived pattern than it is worthless. if a system cannot find an advantage by something other than math, patterns or waiting for something to happen or not, than it is worthless. a system based on any previous spins has no validity.
but don't let me rain on your parade. keep hope alive. I know you will. carry on...
And the point of the previous three messages would be?....
AD
just feeling mean and venting (from spending too much time and money myself on this foolish pursuit.)
and also because I happen to have the opportunity recently to spend a lot of time with someone with a PhD in mathematics who was kind enough to program the best of the best systems I have collected over several years, and to set me strait on a few things.
My post at another subject:
A dog will never catch his own tail no matter how hard he tries.
Common sense should tell us that luck can neither be programmed nor tested..
I did not need a PHD to tell me what`s what. I did not need Einstein either to point that out. Just common sense .
Nathen Detroit.
Quote from: simon on June 03, 2011, 12:20:08 PM
but don't let me rain on your parade. keep hope alive. I know you will. carry on...
Then dont play the game anymore, problem solved. Study AP, have a blast.
Ken
Why would anyone show up somewhere just to annoy everyone? :girl_wacko:
Bet after a fictive lost and stop after a won. Simon prove I am a loser.The profit of the roulette rolls around 2,7%.
Quote from: simon on June 03, 2011, 09:51:20 AM
and they are all here. oh yeah and at the the other board. and they believe they are smarter than Einstein and real mathematicians and everyone who has gone before them. and they do not understand the simple concept of random and independent. carry on....
I find you quite insulting when there are already advantage players using this forum. They will laugh at you if they read this.
The subject of if you can beat roulette or not, is not even up for debate. Its fact that the game has and is being beaten every day.
Roulette is not random and it is not a game of chance if you look at the game from a different perspective. Roulette cannot be beaten based on mathematics and probability.
If you believe that roulette is random, then I can tell you that you are horribly wrong and you haven't a clue what you are talking about.
Last thing, the only way to beat this game is using physics. Its a proven fact whether you choose to believe it or not. But again, IT'S NOT UP FOR DEBATE.
Instead of pissing around posting shit, why don't you do some PROPER research into this game.
The AP (the broken dream) crew get so ANGRY at method posters, its funny as hell. If someone wants to bet on the even red numbers after a zero hits, let them. If they think thats a decent method, it hurts NOBODY reading it. Simply dont play it. AP (the broken dream) guys get so OFFENDED that EVERYONE is not on board with them. Why you ask? Because if you play or are posting regarding methods, that must mean you are against THEM. :girl_wacko: Whatever.
Ken
Excerpt from Mr. J.
********The AP (the broken dream) crew get so ANGRY at method posters, its funny as hell. If someone wants to bet on the even red numbers after a zero hits, let them. If they think thats a decent method, it hurts NOBODY reading it. Simply dont play it. AP (the broken dream) guys get so OFFENDED that EVERYONE is not on board with them. Why you ask? Because if you play or are posting regarding methods, that must mean you are against THEM. *********
BECAUSE : THEY consider themselves as being the Elite of roulette players in short: the Anointed ones while the rest are the unwashed plebeians .
N.D.
Thats fine if they think that (I dont care) but WHY do they get pissed at others playing/talking about methods? Thats the part I dont get. I think AP is a JOKE but by all means, I dont care if there are forums devoted to it.
Ken
I am too lazy to chuckle :skull:
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on June 05, 2011, 11:58:43 AM
Roulette cannot be beaten based on mathematics and probability.
............. completely agree
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on June 05, 2011, 11:58:43 AM
the only way to beat this game is using physics.
............. completely agree... just don't think it's doable, ball and wheel go too fast and too many variables. even if you could be correct in predicting where the ball would land in a target area that covers 3/4's of the wheel, and even if you could be correct in this bet just a little more than 50% of the time, I know exactly how I would bet and could beat the wheel. tried it been there done that didn't work out (closest I could come to overseeing this bet which can be made quickly on an Amercan wheel was to see if the dealer threw the ball before the 0 or before the 00 and see if/when ball landed in target area or not.)
ok AP guy I'll even tell you the secret what you should bet if you think you can predict even a large target where the ball will land, and even if you can predict this correctly just more than 50% of the time-- if you tell me how to do it-- on an unbiased wheel. here it is... just bet American wheel columns A and C and you've covered 23 contiguous numbers on the wheel with only 3 number gaps (which you could also back) when you think the ball will land in this large target area. if you can predict that more than 50% of the time, you got the wheel beat.
Simon the entire basis in advantage play is exploiting a bias. No real advantage players would attack a unbiased wheel. The bias might not be what the casino classifys as a bias though and is not a rare thing.
The dealers signature you describe need several biases. More than 15 ball revs, forget it. No drop zone, forget it. Jumpy ball, forget it. Too high variation in wheel speeds, forget it. Etc.
A good VB player is able to identify the biases needed for a signature game but would only play it with small stakes if VB was not possible. '
I can`t think of anyone i know of, who would just walk up to a wheel and start prediting 1/2 a wheel more than 50% correct if it happens to be truly unbiased.
sounds pretty hopeless. can't even hit the A/C target more than 50% without finding a dealer who throws the ball slowly into a lopsided wheel... what a shame...
I'm one of these 20 Simon......you haven't exploited long enough.
Just attach one of my world visits so you wouldn't think I+m talking b....t
Quote from: medo on June 07, 2011, 06:30:47 PM
I'm one of these 20 Simon......you haven't exploited long enough.
Just attach one of my world visits so you wouldn't think I+m talking b....t
.............. I don't even know what that means. ok so you have a good job and go globe trotting and lose how much a year to roulette?
Nice pictures Medo :diablo:
Please say me more about Simon here or send me private massage. :skull:
Quote from: money13 on June 07, 2011, 07:05:53 PM
Nice pictures Medo :diablo:
Please say me more about Simon here or send me private massage. :skull:
...... private massage? that sounds like fun. but at least let's get one from a woman. what do you want medo to say you more about me? oooh medo, say bad things about simon, say it again! wow....
Quote from: medo on June 07, 2011, 06:30:47 PM
I'm one of these 20 Simon......you haven't exploited long enough.
Just attach one of my world visits so you wouldn't think I+m talking b....t
HeY Medo. Which casino is this?
Thanks.
Quote from: simon on June 07, 2011, 07:03:29 PM
.............. I don't even know what that means. ok so you have a good job and go globe trotting and lose how much a year to roulette?
You did not get what he was trying to tell you?
Its hopeless for you.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on June 07, 2011, 09:00:05 PM
You did not get what he was trying to tell you?
Its hopeless for you.
.......... it's hopeless for everyone if you have to find a dealer who throws the ball slowly into a lopsided wheel to even hit a target that is 3/4's of the wheel a little more than 50% of the time. I told you the bet, why don't you offer something constructive instead of just claiming people are beating the wheel every day with visual prediction? I have seen all of Lawrence Scott's materials and Scott Lang's work that you can't even get and others on this subject, long ago, and it all ended up in the trash because there aren't too many casinos with lame-ass old wheels sitting around, which wouldn't help much anyway even if you could play them (unless you have eyes like Superman.)
You obviously didn`t watch the instruction video that goes with Laurances material where he predicts on a pretty fast wheel. You obviously haven`t read the updated version that came in 2005, where cross over patterns are not needed anymore, either. But you are right, i don`t think either that more than 20 people is making a living from roulette.
Quote from: Kelly on June 07, 2011, 11:43:34 PM
You obviously didn`t watch the instruction video that goes with Laurances material where he predicts on a pretty fast wheel. You obviously haven`t read the updated version that came in 2005, where cross over patterns are not needed anymore, either. But you are right, I don`t think either that more than 20 people is making a living from roulette.
... that is correct, I did not see the video, I only had the printed version of the older manual that someone copied for me. And I had Scott Lang's book which I could only find available at the Library of Congress-- they copied the whole thing for me and sent it to me-- he was a mechanical engineer who wrote a system for clocking the wheel with a stop-watch-- tried it, my eyes just weren't good enough, don't have 20/20, wear glasses, or something or other didn't work out, unfortunately. I think it was pretty obvious what I was trying to do, but the casino didn't seem to care....
Quote from: simon on June 07, 2011, 10:22:50 PM
.......... it's hopeless for everyone if you have to find a dealer who throws the ball slowly into a lopsided wheel to even hit a target that is 3/4's of the wheel a little more than 50% of the time. I told you the bet, why don't you offer something constructive instead of just claiming people are beating the wheel every day with visual prediction? I have seen all of Lawrence Scott's materials and Scott Lang's work that you can't even get and others on this subject, long ago, and it all ended up in the trash because there aren't too many casinos with lame-ass old wheels sitting around, which wouldn't help much anyway even if you could play them (unless you have eyes like Superman.)
Look man, you just haven't done enough research. Pm me if you want me to put you in the right direction.
James.
saw the genuine winner website, doesn't look like something I would want to get involved with, thanks anyway.
Quote from: simon on June 07, 2011, 07:03:29 PM
.............. I don't even know what that means. ok so you have a good job and go globe trotting and lose how much a year to roulette?
-----The only job I have my friend is roulette and with winnings from it am globe trotting.
Quote from: simon on June 07, 2011, 07:19:20 PM
...... private massage? that sounds like fun. but at least let's get one from a woman. what do you want medo to say you more about me? oooh medo, say bad things about simon, say it again! wow....
--Why would I say anything bad about anybody,especially Simon.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on June 07, 2011, 08:58:46 PM
HeY Medo. Which casino is this?
Thanks.
Casino Lisboa/Macao/and casino Venetian/Macao/and one is from casino Wynn.
Quote from: Kelly on June 07, 2011, 11:43:34 PM
You obviously didn`t watch the instruction video that goes with Laurances material where he predicts on a pretty fast wheel. You obviously haven`t read the updated version that came in 2005, where cross over patterns are not needed anymore, either. But you are right, I don`t think either that more than 20 people is making a living from roulette.
--Since you vb player Kelly,would suggest you go to Nice/casino Ruhl,just returned from there/and the En Prison tables/2/are ideal for that kind of play.
hello " B".
Nice to SEE you again !!!
N.D.
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on June 08, 2011, 04:14:43 PM
hello " B".
Nice to SEE you again !!!
N.D.
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Hi K bit here but mostly there where I should be....casino.
Have tried your idea....vois. vers.tiers+orfan......it works spotting a dealer that
repeats the sectors.Been in Nice recently.....think will be going more often/10 h drive/
as just can't lose any overthere.
Medo, i was in Ruhl a couple of years ago. Nice location. And yeah, good conditons but extremely slow modus operandi. 15 - 20 spins per hour, gives you some 7 - 10 spins in each direction. Large diamonds and at the time a good drop zone.
Quote from: Kelly on June 08, 2011, 05:07:59 PM
Medo, I was in Ruhl a couple of years ago. Nice location. And yeah, good conditons but extremely slow modus operandi. 15 - 20 spins per hour, gives you some 7 - 10 spins in each direction. Large diamonds and at the time a good drop zone.
--Exactly what I meant...but if you wish faster...then would suggest
casino Admiral-city of Znojmo/Austrian-Chec. border on the road Wien-Praha/
overthere even better conditions.....no ball scater,and heavy taflon balls.Ideal.
Medo,
Ten hr drive means you are doing the driving ? How many days do you stay then at the casino?
Those Voisins vs. TIERS/Orphs I got under contro; .All I need is a B & M casino here in the States with a. single 0 wheel .
N.D.
There are some practical problems playing serious VB there, but yes the wheels are there. They say its a 4 - 5 table place (roulette) and with a low max. Maybe i get a chance this summer with a little recreational play in that area.
Quote from: Kelly on June 08, 2011, 05:42:29 PM
There are some practical problems playing serious VB there, but yes the wheels are there. They say its a 4 - 5 table place (roulette) and with a low max. Maybe I get a chance this summer with a little recreational play in that area.
6 tables....and table 4 is where Niko won 240.000...was there only assisting.
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on June 08, 2011, 05:38:43 PM
Medo,
Ten hr drive means you are doing the driving ? How many days do you stay then at the casino?
Those Voisins vs. TIERS/Orphs I got under contro; .All I need is a B & M casino here in the States with a. single 0 wheel .
N.D.
--Not any more Nathan...there is direct bus line Zagreb-Nice and am staying
depens on conditions...usually 4-7 days.
Good idea going by bus !
N.D.
Lol, i guess i know why they say it gets complicated there if they suspect you are a VB player. Im surprised they still use the Teflon balls after having their ass kicked.
Quote from: Kelly on June 08, 2011, 06:08:32 PM
Lol, I guess I know why they say it gets complicated there if they suspect you are a VB player. Im surprised they still use the Teflon balls after having their ass kicked.
--Still same.Nikos mate/also vb/and me were there couple of months ago
over the weekend...all same at Admiral while other 3-4 casinos nearby different story.
Sounds promising if they keep it that way. We are going to france by car later this year, maybe we drop by on the way.
Quote from: medo on June 08, 2011, 02:57:45 PM
-----The only job I have my friend is roulette and with winnings from it am globe trotting.
.............. will you be globe trotting over to the states?
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on June 08, 2011, 06:07:32 PM
Good idea going by bus !
N.D.
--And googling around today have found even better way to go there.
There is a train from Trieste/Italy/only 60 km.from city of Opatija,where I live/directly to Nice,
shorter journey...sleep wagon...for future trips.
medo,
What are the true rail kilometers from Trieste to Nice ? Overnite trip how many hrs ?
N.D.
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on June 09, 2011, 12:13:13 PM
medo,
What are the true rail kilometers from Trieste to Nice ? Overnite trip how many hrs ?
N.D.
It's about 600 km from Opatija/by bus to Trieste/then Venice,and from there sleep wagon to Nice.
About 7-8 h journey with some waiting in Venice.