hey , I know I'm a newby to this forum but still I'd like to post my system and explain his basis .
I'm just testing it for a week now , so far the results are to double my bankroll ( 40 units ) each 4 out of 5 games so I guess it is a good system .
Before exposing my system I'll try to explain the basis of it .
Part 1 : Randomness
A while now I was studying how do random systems randomness is tested and I've came across an articlewritten by two russian guys ( pretty good article by the way ) wich said that in a trully random system in wich each event has the same probability is very very unlikely to se this two particular results :
(using black and red so we roulettologists understand it more easyly )
BBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRR
BRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBR
They dont say it doesnt happen , what they say is that it's highly unlikely to happen if the system is really random ( real casinos are submited to this tests as far as I'm aware ) .
Part 2 : Greed and progression
Having read a lot of books and articles and so on , the players worst enemy is greed .
Greed makes up throw ourselfs in stupid progressions or makes us ate the ending of our bankroll want to get more cash to continue.
Greed also makes us not stop when it is enough .
So part of my system is about controlling your greed and quit when you should as a man with respect for himself would.
Progressions are the players worst enemy/ best friend . they can make you win a lot and loose a lot.
Progressions generally are safe but when they get out of control , greed makes the rest and we end up loosing everything , so ,in this system the player should know how to make progressions and when to stop betting in the same scheme .
Part 3 : Multiple systems . ( last of the explanations before the system )
When inteligent choices are made , multiple systems work great .
So we will be using multiple systems.
THE SYSTEM.
Knowing that a system is highly unlikely to be 12121212 , we will expecting most of the times that the system will be kind of like 11121121221111222221212
Something like that . SO we will be using two diferent systems that most of you probably have tried now .
This system requires a little practice before seeing any real results but it works . I would like to code it but this system is a bit complicated for my current skill.
-->System 1 : Bet on the oposite 2 dozens .
if 1st dozen cames , we bet 1 chip on each of the 2nd and the 3rd ( and so on )
-> progression stage 1: 1,2( if loose on the second progression , sum 6 units to your bankroll and that will be the value we will fight for )
-> progression stage 2: +1 on each until we reach the result were fighting for
-->System 2 : Bet on the last dozen .
if 1st dozen cames , we bet on 1st dozen . ( and so on )
-> progression stage 1: 1,1,1,2,2,4,4,5
-> progression stage 2: 4,8,8,10,10
Why this two systems ? Because one system loses when the other wins and we are highly unlikely to experience a situation where both systems are aleternating.
PLAYING WITH THE SYSTEM .
-Spin once to have a number to start playing .
-Start betting with system 1 wich is the system who has the higher probability of winning ( 60 and something % )
-When progression stage 1 of the first system is defeated you add 6 units to you current bank roll and assume that as the value has the value you will be fighting for , change the system to the second system .
-keep on betting the system 2 until you hit a win and restart your bettings until system 2 progression stage 1 fails or until system is working slowly ( intuition ).
-when it fails change again to the first system and bet with progression 2 until above or equal the value you are fighting for. when you reach it , restart the betting. if you fail to progress twice , change it to system 2 progression 2 until a hit , when that hit comes restart system 1 progression stage 2.
-stop when you doubled your b. r.
Example :
Number that came : system 1 System 2 BR.
1st 2nd 3rd ( columns ) 40
x bet 1 on 2&3 40 (put 2 on the table )
x L - progress stg1(same bet ) 38 (put 4 on the table )
x w - bet on 1 1&3 40
x w - bet on 1 2&3 41
x w - bet on 1 2&1 42
x w - bet on 1 2&3 43
x w - bet on 1 1&3 44
x w - bet on 1 1&2 45
x L - progress stg1 43
x w - bet on 1&3 45
x w - bet on 1&2 46
x L - progress stg1 44
x L - Change system | bet 1 on 3 40 - defend 46
x L - bet 1 on 1 39
x L - bet 1 on 2 38
x L - bet 2 on 3 37
x L - bet 2 on 2 35
x bet on 3&1 STG2|w - change stm 39 - bet 3 on each
x W - bet 4 on 1&3 42 - defended
x w - restart stg 1 bet 1 on 2&3 46
x L - prg stg 1 bet 2 on same 42
x w - bet 1 on 1&3 46
x w - bet on 2&3 47
x w - bet on 1&2 48
and so on .
I hope it is clear enough for you to understand . I'll make a video someday to explain it better.
Sugestions or critics are also welcome :D
And which system wins when zero strikes?
Hermes
Welcome to the forum pihh :)
Dont let the people that will immeadiatly critisise your system put you off posting!
Ok the system, certainly looks interesting how many spins have you tested it against? I do like working on the dozens and colum, so its a neat idea. What sort of starting bank roll do you feel you need for this?
Cheers
Quote from: hermes on June 07, 2011, 08:31:23 PM
And which system wins when zero strikes?
Hermes
I like to treat the zero like the borg treat the federation and blithely ignore it, although it does sometimes cost me, but not often.
totally forgot about the zero.
the zero here is the neutral . if it comes you lose on whatever system you are so just ignore it .
the idea is that the systems odds generaly come in waves so you have to change your bet when one of the systems is starting to fail . generally if one fails the other is going to stick for a while . at that moment you may try to regain what you lost or just try to keep losses to a minimum before going back to the system that was working .
of course this is no science but you will see that it's almost intuitive to see what system is working better and a time after playing with this system you can almost say for certain if the winning strike is about to change .
this goes for live and rng spins .
just try it a while . you dont lose anything with that.
now , can any one tell me a software to film a session in my pc so I can make a single session to explain better how it works ?
hey kagatory ,
I'm aware of the bitterness to newbies. I might be newby to this forum but I'm not in others and I'm certainly not to this game . So, no problem about critics . The casino player has a strange tendency to say that if his tricks dont work then none will work .
I'm not saying this will win everytime, but It is winning more than it loses .
As for you question of the bankroll , I like to keep it realistic . I play with a bankroll of 40 units because real casinos in my country dont have 1 euro bets or cents bets , the minimum bet is 5 euros and I wont in any time of my life go to a casino and spend 500 euros in a session . So I go there with 200 and that's high enough for me .
So I play with 40 units only .
I havent counted spins , But I kept a record of sessions .
I've been doing 10 sessions a day . a session ends when you have no bankroll or when you doubled your bankroll . ~
At the moment I've done a bit more than 80 sessions of wich I've lost 17 sessions and won 65 .
I believe my explanation wasnt acurate enough but as soon as you point me a video recording software I'll share a video in this post explaining it better.
regards,
pih
Hello pihh,
Thank you for posting up your idea. If you are looking to do a video presentation, go to the techsmith website.
Probably the best one out there is camtasia. You can get a months free trial. It is very easy to operate and the quality is very good. You don't need to give them any credit card details for the trial period which is good.
cheers.
hey john !!
thanks for the sugestion .
I'm going to workout now , about two hours now I'll make the video and try to upload it .
Can you or anyone else give me a sugestion of a website to upload the video wich doesnt require registration? I cant upload in youtube because I dont have google acount .
If there isnt I'll just mediafire the video .
Regards,
Pih
To save downloading the camtasia software which takes a while, you could open up an account at 'livestream'
They are a free screen recording outfit and all your videos go into a neat library. There is a chat facility as well.
The cool thing about them is that people can log on and watch you play 'live'. It is like having your own t.v. station.
Best of all, it's free! :dance1:
Hi Pih
Well it looks promising so far. lets hope it keeps working well. Im currently working on a hot number system and a and even chance system. so maybe we could pool ideas? The only Dozens system I have tried tbh is the old wait for a dozen to miss 7 times then bet on it, only problem is the old martinglae, I hate that progression, it seems like you are trying to negate that issue, which is a promising start imo. Good luck anyway I watch with interest.
pihh,
Don`t worry about this system . It is good as it can be with 24 numbers and I would be playing it blind folded . It`s been around a long time . At one time it was also known as the " James Bond system".
Played it for the last 30- years with various methods : Follow the dozens, 2 staionary dozens ,etc.
Knowledge of good money management and a proper bankroll are prerequisites
I only deploy a POSITIVE progression. But you will find that out sooner or later as to WHY.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
hi nathan ,
do you mean this james bond system ? Casino Royale: James Bond Roulette system makes $250 in 6 minutes.
I didn't understang quite well what you meant about the 24 numbers . that's just system 1 . the second system is used when the first starts to fail quite some times. I'll upload a video so it gets easier to understand .
I believe I didnt explai myself weel . my english is a bit rusty at the time .
regards,
pihh
ok here is the system . sory for the delay in sound but I was using virtual pc.
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oh , just remove the spaces and hange the xx to tt in nolinks.
sory about the second mouse , didnt know that using cam corder he would shou .
thanks to all your help.
oh and the last thing . sorry to make multiple posts but I'm currently working at the same time so I dont remember everything at once.
this is a fairly slow system . so please watch the 16 minutes before playing with it .
regards,
pihh
I watched the first 10 minutes or so. So this method is 100% FREE, correct?
Ken
pihh,
But you mentioned 2 dozens like the 1. and 2 nd dozen or 1st and 3 rd dozen . Those are 24 numbers. Well I just made a brief reference to the James Bond system whch was also based on betting 2 dozens but that`s as far as it went . I only remember that some guys from Germany were beating the hell out of a casino and then lost it all back.
So keep going with what you are doing. Dozens can be beneficial if they are handled with care.
Nathan Detroit
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Thanks for sharing :)
Kagatori,
Thanks !
@ ken - I dont see a point in a system being sold as far as roulette being unbeatable for 300 years now. So if instead people sell thoughts they share them eventually something would come that favors the player. And as a system , the casino cant ban it I think . So I dont see a point selling anything . even if my system was unbeatable I wouldn't sell it .
But please watch the full video , I believe that the 5 last minutes are crucial to better understanding the system . I know its a pain in the ass but I think if anyone is going to try this system he or she should know how to proper handle it before flaming me .
@ nathan - the casino has that problem . those german guys must have passed by that chapter I mentioned of the greed . I believe that this system doubles the bankroll 4 out of each 5 times . this has been the reference number but as you know , random events dont act linear . you can win 1 game and lose 3 or 4 in a row . what matters is that in the long term , like it happens in the roulette , the odds speak louder . even if you have a loosing row at the long term it will compensate I think . ( need more testing on this system but I belive it works like that ) . so those german guys must had great results but they eventualy get a losing streak and as most of us would do probably they didnt admit they were loosing and started risking more than they could . I strongly advise that even if loosing ( considering that you started one session with my system ) keep on with that same system .Because in the long term I believe it will prevail . I'm trying to code it to confirm my theory but it is aa complicated one .
One more thing , I posted this system not for claiming anything , I posted my system to have any sugestions that might help me improve it .
Like better triggers or better money management .
Comment , critic , have your opinions .
After all we are all working to achieve the same .
Thats certainly how it should be, us v the casino.
Ive had onw through and doubled my bankroll, ill give it some more tests. thanks again for sharing.
pihh,
I would say those guys were greedy which kills them in the end.
My comment about your system if you want to call it that was for the sole purope to say that dozens are a good method without going deepeer into your system.
I am tops with my various roulette systems and don`t require any assistence.A lot of people who know me can attest to this.
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
N.D.
heyy kagatory ,
can you keep a record of how many wins and losses you had and then send it to me? it would be great to add numbers to my statistics .
of course not a problem
pihh I think you have a little bit mess in the explanation on the first post. No steady rules.
What would you do if double dozen comes 13 times and no triple yet?
The single bets on one dozen would be all lost.
Make a new more transparent example of about 20 spins to clear the confusion.
Hermes
hey hermes !
you see if you get a double dozen you progress 1 unit . let me give you an example .
in the first system ( the one wich uses both dozens ) lets say we are having these results :
3rd,1st ,1st,2nd,1st,1st,3rd,2nd,2nd - wich I think it represents what you asked isnt it ? a single dozen come twice a lot of times in a row.
(as 1st,2nd and third of course I'm refering to the 1st dozen , 2nd dozen and 3rd dozen )
now lets imagine the bets you place
when it came 3rd you bet - 1 chip on 1st and 1 chip on 2nd right ?
and came a 1st dozen - you win , now bet 1 chip on 2nd and other chip on 3rd .
then 1st column came again . you lost 2 chips , so you progress by betting 2 chips instead of 1 on the same previous bet. So 2 chips on 2nd and 2 chips on 3rd
it came the 2nd column and you won . by winning this you didnt gain a single chip . you just recover the lost money. as long as dozens come twice you dont gain money but you dont lose it too . keeping up with me ?
but you will also see that when they are coming twice very frequently , you are very likely to deal with a trice soon , so in that case you described of coming the same dozen twice 12 times the player may decide to change the system to system 2 wich is being less risky and more profitable at that precise moment .
the idea is to keep an eye on both systems and change when one is starting to fail beause system 1 wins when system 2 fails and system 2 wins when system 1 fails.
Again hermes , if I'm not beeing very clear , I apologise and ask whatever you'd like .
I've never been good explaining myself and my english is a bit rusty atm but I'm here to answer every question you have the best I can .
Yesterday I've been in a row of losses . lost 5 times , won 3 times . my calcutations are at this moment for 27 sessions lost and 63 sessions won .
I've been making some calculations , this system loses in 2 cases of the 8 possible distributions , So I'm aiming at long term to have a ~75% ( a bit less because of the 0 and because of the awareness of the player that isnt 100% reliable but it doesnt interfere much as we are in a significant suplus ) winning probability wich means doubling our bankroll every 4 games . ( 25% of the sessions you lose your b.r. , 25% of the sessions you recover your b.r. , 50% of the sessions you double you initial b.r. . so in the end you get 80 units profit if your b.r. is 40 units like mine is)
best regards,
pih
@nathan -what do you mean by positive progression ?
progressing when winning? ex: the contrary of the negative progression?
Quote from: pihh on June 09, 2011, 09:20:13 AM
@nathan -what do you mean by positive progression ?
progressing when winning? ex: the contrary of the negative progression?
Reply:YES to your example.
In addition to a positive progression I also aapply a regression and double regression method.
Slightly different approach with EC there it is UP & PULL and then progression / regression..
Happy Winnings
Nathan Detroit
very interesting indeed .
thanks
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on June 09, 2011, 10:22:56 AM
Reply:YES to your example.
In addition to a positive progression I also aapply a regression and double regression method.
Slightly different approach with EC there it is UP & PULL and then progression / regression..
Happy Winnings
Nathan Detroit
Hi ND
What sort of success have you had with Regression techniques? This is a method of betting that interests me greatly, but I have only limited experience with?
9 wins , 1 loss today =D
Pihh it is not so difficult to program your idea in an excelprogramm.Test some 250 spins samples and you have a good impression of the expectation on the long run.I predict you will lose about 2,7%
my father and I have programed it already in excel .
I'm traveling at the moment and my sheet is on the destop pc but as soon as I comeback I'll post the sheet.
gived me about 70%wins 30% loss as I predicted . So at the long run (since the session's gains and losts have the same value in the end we get a suplus. a small one but a suplus So I would shoot for a even more modest gain when played by a person because we aint aware of some calculations during the entire game .
Anyway I'd like to code it on RX and test it on real live spins .
By the way I think you got a wrong idea . I would lose 2,7% only if I were betting both systems at the same time since you are refering of the 36/37 numbers covered.
that's not the idea .
the ideia is to change systems when one is starting to fail to the other because the other gains exactly when the first fails.
that's why I do such a small progression . system one needs to fail 3 times in a row so that it loses . so you might want to change to the other system as you see a lot of double dozens happening in short time . and get back to system 1 as soon as system 2 has made the 5th fail in a row .
( try to be aware and change a system before having to bet a uncorfortable value )
Had another good session. Then a losing session, only down 10 units though but I left it, was just having one of those poor sessions.
6 wins in a row today =D
hi mate do you always play on RNG or do you play live wheel........
live only .
if rng were genuine I would play on them also but some of them catch algorithms so they strike the loosing combination more often (this is only a theory but its enough for me not to risk).
Thank you pihh's for post your system. I cant understand it too much, because my english is very poor, but it likes good.
I am waiting for your excel program to apply this metod. :give_rose:
Thank you
Obrigado
Muchas gracias!
heyy !! I have to ajust some points in the excel sheet and I'll post it . my exams end at july 19th . by that time I'll work again on this.
regards, pi