it would be good if there was a group where every participant agreed that past spins can have no affect on the current spin. but then I suppose that would rule out 99% of all roulette systems so I suppose that wouldn't leave much to work with in our attempt to beat the wheel, would it.
IF you are NOT using VB or the physics of the wheel to predict what the next spin will be, apart from previous spins what else could you possibly use ??? :o ???
Yes, you are right Simon. You and your group would be left only with LUCK to beat roulette.
¿How can you deny events are due to have frecuence attached to their outcome?
It can be a positive frecuence when the event reappears inside its natural outcome universe (ex. 36 spins for straight numbers) and negative when its frecuence is falling outside its natural outcome universe .
Cheers,
Carlos.
Get a Dice with all E/C possibilities/6/written on each side,then
throw it....random vers. random before each spin.......and you
are there on En Prison or La Partage table only.Good luck.
Quote from: medo on June 09, 2011, 02:10:44 PM
Get a Dice with all E/C possibilities/6/written on each side,then
throw it....random vers. random before each spin.......and you
are there on En Prison or La Partage table only.Good luck.
This certainly will put the mathboyzz outof business and with them the random maniacs. How cruel. :diablo:
Quote from: Carpanta on June 09, 2011, 01:32:03 PM
Yes, you are right Simon. You and your group would be left only with LUCK to beat roulette.
¿How can you deny events are due to have frecuence attached to their outcome?
It can be a positive frecuence when the event reappears inside its natural outcome universe (ex. 36 spins for straight numbers) and negative when its frecuence is falling outside its natural outcome universe .
Cheers,
Carlos.
.... the expected distribution of events only asserts itself over many more spins than you will be playing at your brief stay at the roulette table, and as the percentages come closer to their expectations, the actual difference between for example red vs black becomes greater and greater, someday you'll figure that out. thinking something is "due" based on recent outcomes is always the first system of the naive gambler.
Quote from: simon on June 09, 2011, 03:23:02 PM
.... the expected distribution of events only asserts itself over many more spins than you will be playing at your brief stay at the roulette table, and as the percentages come closer to their expectations, the actual difference between for example red vs black becomes greater and greater, someday you'll figure that out. thinking something is "due" based on recent outcomes is always the first system of the naive gambler.
The time i was a naive gambler you were still pissing your pants. Long long time ago mate.
I know what im talking about. Problem is most people want to beat the game. That's the mistake.
The real deed is to beat the wheel. Tracking ball movement is what can give you an edge.
Bet on straight numbers is the best option for a skilled player.
Quote from: xman1970 on June 09, 2011, 01:26:09 PM
IF you are NOT using VB or the physics of the wheel to predict what the next spin will be, apart from previous spins what else could you possibly use ??? :o ???
.... well you're right xman, I'm sure the only way to beat roulette is to be able to predict a hit in the large A/C target on the American wheel (1st and third columns) more than 50% of the time. I wish I could do that but without really excellent vision, consistent ball throw and wheel speed, and possibly a biased wheel which is unlikely to come by, it's probably not possible. which is a shame because you would only have to be right a little more than half the time, hitting a very large section of the wheel.
Quote from: Carpanta on June 09, 2011, 03:45:51 PM
The time I was a naive gambler you were still pissing your pants. Long long time ago mate.
I know what im talking about. Problem is most people want to beat the game. That's the mistake.
The real deed is to beat the wheel. Tracking ball movement is what can give you an edge.
Bet on straight numbers is the best option for a skilled player.
........... ball movement? the ball is thrown at different times at different points around the wheel and at different speeds, and goes bouncing around the wheel as it collides with diamonds and frets. I agree with you that beating a specific wheel sounds like a better idea than trying to beat the game, but it doesn't seem likely that you can predict what the ball will do next...
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on June 09, 2011, 03:15:00 PM
This certainly will put the mathboyzz outof business and with them the randomaiacs. How cruel. :diablo:
........ I cannot even reply to this it makes such little sense.
Quote from: medo on June 09, 2011, 02:10:44 PM
Get a Dice with all E/C possibilities/6/written on each side,then
throw it....random vers. random before each spin.......and you
are there on En Prison or La Partage table only.Good luck.
............. I don't know what all that is supposed to mean. medo, what kind of game do you play? are you a VB guy, a roulette method for the even chances guy, or what? (by the way anyone who likes to play the even chances should be playing mini-bac, not roulette.)
medo
I think we have this cat confused . LOL. He is boiling mad.
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on June 09, 2011, 04:46:23 PM
I am pissing off a lot of people when I give NO details about my methods.That is my intend. Especially the scammers like you . who like to steal ideas.
...... steal ideas? I am the one explaining to VB guys the bet they should be making. I am the one who has explained and discussed many systems and ideas relating to the American wheel and betting layout. All you do is make inane comments, you're as bad as Spike was and I have been around this board long enough to have seen your useless systems that only an idiot would think would be a good idea. When I see your name I always think to myself "he is an idiot." you have nothing constructive to offer and you have nothing intelligent to say. I'm sure you don't even gamble at the casino.
Quote from: simon on June 09, 2011, 01:09:54 PM
it would be good if there was a group where every participant agreed that past spins can have no affect on the current spin. but then I suppose that would rule out 99% of all roulette systems so I suppose that wouldn't leave much to work with in our attempt to beat the wheel, would it.
Wrong! Roulette is not a random game, every single wheel has a weakness, there is no such thing as a perfect wheel. What do you define as random? Random is not valid, events happen for a reason, its called Cause and affect.
Every spin is always affected from the previous spin. Chain of events so to speak.
The only type of roulette that is random, is online RNG play.
Quote from: Carpanta on June 09, 2011, 03:45:51 PM
Tracking ball movement is what can give you an edge.
Bet on straight numbers is the best option for a skilled player.
I totally agree, this is also a true fact.
Quote from: simon on June 09, 2011, 03:58:12 PM
but it doesn't seem likely that you can predict what the ball will do next...
Wrong again! You obviously haven't studied or researched Visual ballistics properly and thoroughly.
Visual ballistics is a skill, an art in in itself. Anybody can learn it. Most people are put of the idea because it requires some effort and pratise.
Or you could just use a roulette computer to do most of the work for you.
I think most people are quite lazy, hesitating to put in the required effort to succeed and earn a full time living exploiting wheels.
No disrespect, but you are one of them Simon.
The only mutual agreement we have, is bias playing has pretty much become instinct due to the casinos tracking bias software. The casinos are not stupid and can spot a bias player from a mile off.
Simon its perfectly normal refuse to believe that VB is at all possible unless this and that is happening which it never will as you say. But when Medo mentions Nico winning 240.000 in the other thread he is talking about the same guy, Nico Tosa, who was in the Ritz team that took i think it was a million off the Ritz. There is a small elite of really good players who is actually making a living from roulette and i might add, they don`t at all bet 2 coloumns but sectors. I would say there are around 20 - 30 players in that elite group and then there are a bunch of semi pros which could be anywhere from 50 - 500. I have no idea what the real figure is.
Quote from: Kelly on June 09, 2011, 05:22:09 PM
Simon its perfectly normal refuse to believe that VB is at all possible unless this and that is happening which it never will as you say. But when Medo mentions Nico winning 240.000 in the other thread he is talking about the same guy, Nico Tosa, who was in the Ritz team that took I think it was a million off the Ritz. There is a small elite of really good players who is actually making a living from roulette and I might add, they don`t at all bet 2 coloumns but sectors. I would say there are around 20 - 30 players in that elite group and then there are a bunch of semi pros which could be anywhere from 50 - 500. I have no idea what the real figure is.
I don't believe it's impossible, I wish I could do it. I also don't believe it's impossible for a dealer to throw to a number because I saw one do it (it took a few tries but he really did it and it was one of the coolest things I ever saw. (and ofcourse I wanted to become that dealer's best friend but he was an honest guy and did it just for skill and fun-- he told me they practiced doing that in dealer school. I never would have believed it was possible if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes-- he did it in less than 10 tries-- the exact number I asked him to hit-- he deliberately hit my number for me. it was in the middle of the night and there weren't many people around. it was very cool, but unfortunately he wasn't going to make a habit of it.)
*EVERY* method, even to a small degree, LOOKS AT some past numbers. It might be the last 100 numbers or it might only be one number. I did many threads on this before. The term gamblers fallacy is so WIDELY used, it cracks me up. I use to hate that term, now, its kind of a compliment. :D
Ken
how about this-- next time I'm at the roulette table I'll drop a chip and when I go to get it I'll shove a coin underneath the table leg, then I'll see if the ball is dropping in or out of that large target area I keep talking about on the American wheel. no? can't do it? table too heavy? well just a thought :thumbsup: . hey they don't have cameras under the table! (not such a bad idea really.) ok well if that don't work I'll just track wheels all day and see if one seems to get more hits into this target. I'm talking 60% of the wheel that can be quickly-- immediately-- covered with just 2 chips. should be a way to take advantage of that (revenge of the double zeroe wheel disadvantaged players.)
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/12-numbers-once/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/12-numbers-once/) <<< PERFECT EXAMPLE. In my view, there are only two options.
A) CORRECT PICK >> Choosing the 12 numbers, one at a time, 12 spins. The AP crew won't admit to this. If they did, they could no longer slam others using a method but TRUST ME, they know the 12 spins is the better choice. I admit, ON PAPER, it should not matter.
OR
B) If someone says they are both the same, they are lying. Sorry guys, I'm sticking to my guns on this.
Ken
We cant know our future without knowing the past. Yesterday I watch tv , tomorow will play, are they both in common ?
Simon you can`t control the target area just because the wheel is tilted. The outcome numbers are still random because of the rotor. The advantage with a tilted wheel is somewhere else. Hence that the casinos doesn`t reckognize a tilt as a bias although for a VB player it is biased enough. It wouldn`t make any difference if you play a system, not even if it was based on sectors.
Correction: If you are the dealer you can to some extent control the target area if the wheel has a tilt. On real casino wheels, only to some degree. You can never be 100% sure to hit the target number. Or to put it differently, sector shooting is a myth on wheels WITHOUT a tilt. Its also a myth if its the type where 20 - 28 ball revoloutions is possible simply because a little variation in the release power will push the end result pretty much because the ball spends more time running in the track.
All roulette devices are biased.The bias is the the 4 arms to rotate the wheel . There is a relation between the release point of the ball and the arm. This can declare the VB and the DS method.The outcome is every time a random sequence. The random sequence has features due to the statistic rules.Using these features is also a successful method to beat the roulette.Not a system can beat the roulette but a skilled player with the right attitude and a good proved strategy can do it.
I am very lonely but I believe in the maths.
Quote from: Kelly on June 09, 2011, 05:22:09 PM
Simon its perfectly normal refuse to believe that VB is at all possible unless this and that is happening which it never will as you say. But when Medo mentions Nico winning 240.000 in the other thread he is talking about the same guy, Nico Tosa, who was in the Ritz team that took I think it was a million off the Ritz. There is a small elite of really good players who is actually making a living from roulette and I might add, they don`t at all bet 2 coloumns but sectors. I would say there are around 20 - 30 players in that elite group and then there are a bunch of semi pros which could be anywhere from 50 - 500. I have no idea what the real figure is.
And acording from private information he Niko has lost so much money lately in Australia
on todays more modern wheels....that he is stack down under with no financial suport nor means of living.
Have tried to get somehow in contact but without success.
Sorry to hear that they are trying to pull back some their lost revenue. Same happened to Kaisan a couple of years ago in a smaller scale, i think he quit before it went to much south. He retuned stronger it seems though. Still play as a pro although i think he changed the BMW to a Peugeot..... of all cars.
Scoenpoetser, some of the derler signatures systems (wurfweitensysteme) is tracked by the handles with only 4 release points, in my opinion those days are gone where that could give you an advantage.
I do not believe in VB or DS. I found very often that the distance between the hotspots on the wheel is about 90 degrees.It should be coursed by the 4 arms.
Neither VB or DS is about hotspots in the wheel. DS is playing the dealers "throwing distance". You can call the most used power by the dealer for the hot spot. But todays wheels and ball types waters out the edge.
If I could undurstand the true meaning of this foroum I would curse.But even then its happened I am not sure. :diablo:
Quote from: simon on June 09, 2011, 04:57:12 PM
All you do is make inane comments, you're as bad as Spike was and I have been around this board long enough to have seen your useless systems
You're in good company, Nathan, don't worry. You were playing roulette before Simon was a zygote..