It might be winning. Even with flat b.
We play with 2 tables simultaneously. These tables catch different trends.
How to bet:
Let's suppose 0 and 33 came out. Mark 2 corresponding lines in both tables and bet all numbers in those lines. Next number is 29. We lost. Cover 3 lines ( 0, 33 and 29). Next number is 13. We won.
Hope the idea is clear.
Good luck.
As clear as mud? Please explain in more detail, thanks.
Hello Atom, thanks for sharing.
Given it's your system: Do you have any progression in mind?
Currently making a simple tracker for the community to be featured at RouletteSoftware.cc (nolinks://roulettesoftware.cc)
If no progression, then it simply works it flat to quickly grasp the "as is" performance.
Please do share your input regarding progression on this and many thanks for posting.
Cheers!
Vic
Hello Vic,
So far I've been playing this system without any progression. Because I am definite that any progressions (especially negative ones and especially if they have more than 2 steps. But actually progression which restricted by 2 steps can hardly be considered as a progression at all) lead to nullifying your BR. And playing it with flat bet still let me be in plus. And I just wanted to see if other people would have the same results.
Thank you for asking and good luck.
Quote from: Atom on March 20, 2012, 04:17:02 PM
I am definite that any progressions (especially negative ones and especially if they have more than 2 steps. But actually progression which restricted by 2 steps can hardly be considered as a progression at all) lead to nullifying your BR.
Definitely. No doubt about it.
If you can beat the game by flat betting the "waves", then the better.
Ideally: "get in, get up, get out".
...and also: "get in, grind, break even".
If you can work your flat-betting system to cut in positive points, and to break even most of the other times.. then why progress? You have profits assured as long as your discipline is ironed enough to also cut it at reasonable losses that don't wipe your overall bank :)
Standard negative progressions only leave you nerve-wrecked and wondering "What just happened to my bank?".
With flat bets you give yourself the chance to fall SLOWLY in the crappy sessions, which gives you the opportunity to evaluate continuing or calling it a day, with a balanced mind.
Stay tuned for the tracker.
Vic
Quote from: VLS on March 20, 2012, 06:00:41 PM
Definitely. No doubt about it.
If you can beat the game by flat betting the "waves", then the better.
Ideally: "get in, get up, get out".
...and also: "get in, grind, break even".
If you can work your flat-betting system to cut in positive points, and to break even most of the other times.. then why progress? You have profits assured as long as your discipline is ironed enough to also cut it at reasonable losses that don't wipe your overall bank :)
Standard negative progressions only leave you nerve-wrecked and wondering "What just happened to my bank?".
With flat bets you give yourself the chance to fall SLOWLY in the crappy sessions, which gives you the opportunity to evaluate continuing or calling it a day, with a balanced mind.
Stay tuned for the tracker.
Vic
Thanks again, Victor.
Atom
May I ask how you decided or learned these numbers are trends?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 21, 2012, 11:56:40 PM
Atom
May I ask how you decided or learned these numbers are trends?
Sam
What numbers?
Spokes Tracker v0.1:
Download at: nolinks://roulettesoftware.cc/discussion/8/release-spokes-tracker-v0-1#Item_1
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg834.imageshack.us%2Fimg834%2F6351%2Fspokestrackerv01.png&hash=50d12deeee5f6aee83c7e2b0c9d585b01b5d3fb1) (nolinks://roulettesoftware.cc/discussion/8/release-spokes-tracker-v0-1#Item_1)
It's a 0.1 release, so please check it's accurate.
We can then move it forward to a tester later :)
Cheers!
Vic
Thank you, Victor.
:good:
But I've got Mac. Not windows. :)
And....make bet ONLY after 2 different lines in each table are marked!
Quote from: Atom on March 22, 2012, 07:47:21 PM
Thank you, Victor.
:good:
But I've got Mac. Not windows. :)
It is a cross-platform program.
Works for Windows, Mac and Linux via the .NET runtime (Windows) and Mono Runtime (Mac/Linux)
nolinks://nolinks.mono-project.com/Mono:OSX
Please try installing Mono on your Mac and then report back (A bonus screen capture maybe to see how it looks there :thumbsup:).
I'm always most-delighted to make working cross-platform programs :)
Quote from: Atom on March 22, 2012, 07:50:53 PM
And....make bet ONLY after 2 different lines in each table are marked!
Roger that. Trigger on second bet for next version.
Right now, please confirm it runs in your mac, and if the bet selection for "Table A" and "Table B" is targetting numbers as expected.
Regards.
One more thing. We mark 2 lines and bet. If we haven't won - mark the 3rd lines and play with 3+3 lines. And so on until win!
UPDATE:
Just made it target .NET framework version 2.0, which should give it the maximum compatibility for both frameworks on Windows (as old as Windows 98!) as well as Mono.
You can try downloading the new file if any runtime issue arises.
Cheers!
Quote from: Atom on March 22, 2012, 08:13:21 PM
One more thing. We mark 2 lines and bet. If we haven't won - mark the 3rd lines and play with 3+3 lines. And so on until win!
Copied!
Could you make it work on your Mac via Mono?
Quote from: VLS on March 22, 2012, 08:29:36 PM
Copied!
Could you make it work on your Mac via Mono?
Tomorrow will try.
Quote from: Atom on March 22, 2012, 09:03:29 PM
Tomorrow will try.
Great!
Do report back since I'm eager to know my proggies work on Mac too :)
Cheers!
...if I'll find mono for mac os 10.4 :-\
Quote from: Atom on March 22, 2012, 09:16:26 PM
...if I'll find mono for mac os 10.4 :-\
They say they support 10.4 and older:
nolinks://nolinks.mono-project.com/Mono:OSX
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fvlsroulette.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D19986.0%3Battach%3D7403%3Bimage&hash=ef43254529e2f8d88189ebc13ca7bc43d65b3032)
Download page at: nolinks://nolinks.go-mono.com/mono-downloads/download.html
Currently lists 10.5 though... so perhaps more work is needed?
Here's a post about installing mono at Apple.com:
nolinkss://discussions.apple.com/thread/1279235?start=0&tstart=0
Vic, thanks for the tracker
Of course as i expected this sinks very infamously. Tested on several wiesbaden sessions. Why should this work anyway, especialy on flat bet?? :blink: And progression is not an option because when it cathces quite long losing streaks, we would be fried in a half of second..
Regards
You're welcome psiho, and hey! It's all about exploring the game :)
We know the drill: try, tweak, retry... try, tweak, retry... try, tweak, retry...
I heard a guy say it took him no less than 50 different attempts to get something useable for himself :yes:
It's amazing the way it is, really: The exact same thing one player finds worthless is the "last piece of the puzzle" for another player to complete his/her method successfully! :swoon:
Like a painter, you gotta enjoy and love the process as much (or even more! -for some-) than the final piece of product.
Happy exploring!
Vic
Quote from: psiho2209 on March 23, 2012, 06:46:48 AM
Vic, thanks for the tracker
Of course as I expected this sinks very infamously. Tested on several wiesbaden sessions. Why should this work anyway, especialy on flat bet?? :blink: And progression is not an option because when it cathces quite long losing streaks, we would be fried in a half of second..
Regards
I am sure you did bet incorrect.
[/quote]when it cathces quite long losing streaks[/quote]
Quite long losing streaks? It means that you absolutely have no idea how it works! :sarcastic:
Quote from: Atom on March 25, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
I am sure you did bet incorrect.
when it cathces quite long losing streaks
Quite long losing streaks? It means that you absolutely have no idea how it works! :sarcastic:
Me who doesnt understand? I do it perfectly.
I dont know for much you tested it, but i see this hype with coding blured you. Vic did it actualy to promote his new site. Good and easy point for him, easy coding :yes: And to tell the truth method doesnt have much chance because is using something that this game hates the most. Always the same pattern of betting. Prearranged scheme....
You cant handle tornado by standing and waiting to hit you.
Regards
This game hates when it has to read directions where to hit from any kind of table. Capische?
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: psiho2209 on March 25, 2012, 07:23:55 PM
Always the same pattern of betting. Prearranged scheme....
Regards
The same pattern of betting? Prearranged scheme? I didn't want to call you idiot (as variant)... But you forced me! The feature of this system is that bets it uses are constantly changing. And any man with brains would understand it.
And I am not going to engage in debate with you anymore.
@Atom
Could you make the MONO framework work on your Mac?
Thanks.
Quote from: VLS on April 01, 2012, 03:44:50 PM
@Atom
Could you make the MONO framework work on your Mac?
Thanks.
No, Victor. I tried... but too much fuss (it's not my mother language, but hope that's proper word). Besides, I don't need the tracker, the system it's quite easy.