Dang! I can find the thread!
To paraphrase, you said the wheel will sniff out what your are doing and beat you--something like that. Would you expound on that statement a bit and I'll have some questions.
Sam
not exactly "sniff out".
it is wheel behaviour to kill you on any stiff patterns u follow -- to kill u on a long run. The wheel just works like that. Of course the wheel can't sniff :). It is not an Australian Shepherd dog. Just roulette wheel randomness works that way. Balancing everything. When u tend to use the same patterns thinking that they are working (and they may work for some time!) after a while the wheel will naturally destroy your patterns and will take everything back and much more if u keep following the same patterns stubbornly.
but u can try some patterns from time to time very carefully. Not to "overabuse" your game.
A pancake is nice on both sides!!
iggiv
"Just roulette wheel randomness works that way. Balancing everything."
So---correct me if I'm wrong---you feel randomness "tries" to achieve balance and not the actual, physical wheel?
Sam
these are only words, Sam. Wheel can not "try" anything, it is a physical object, no more no less.
That's how all this happens, no any dark forces involved. This physical device is working like this.
Thanks for your input.
I'll study on it.....
Sam
iggiv
This is not to question you personally, just to ponder.
Let's say black and red "should" even out. I know they don't have to. Not even in a billion spins. That's not the point.
Let's suppose they get close to even.
Black starts out on a wild run and before long it has red on the ropes two to one. Now red "usually" makes a come back and you see more reds than blacks for a while. This is an action. Can there be a causeless action? Does an apple fall without cause?
If there is no cause, we have found the first action without cause.
If there is a cause, what on Earth could it be.
These things either keep me awake or bore me to sleep.
Sam
PS...Someone else weigh in here. I'm thinking youse guys don't like me! :'(
you throw a ball the odds are it will land in a different place every time.its all pure chance. nothing is preordained. if you win its just chance. no skill. we like to think i am a good player and the rest are suckers. to win money playing the even money bets you have to bet big. food for thought.
Why can't people see roulette for what it really is :lol: - A ROTOR AND BALL
Quote from: pins on March 27, 2012, 06:33:13 PM
you throw a ball the odds are it will land in a different place every time.its all pure chance. nothing is preordained. if you win its just chance. no skill. we like to think I am a good player and the rest are suckers. to win money playing the even money bets you have to bet big. food for thought.
NURRPPP! WRONGG!, DEMONSTRABLY WRONG!
"to win money playing the even money bets you have to bet big. food for thought."
Pins
Thanks for the response. Your statement above says it is possible to win EC bets if one is willing to bet big.
Thanks for that.
Quad
Love that green-eyed cat.
Thanks for the response. Yep, it's a rotor and ball. I just love to question the things I see--have seen--for years while playing.
And I like to debate issues or ideas.
TwoCat
Hi sam & all,
Have had a few questions knocking about for a while as well so thought i would throw them in as along the same lines..
lets say you play and win for a while... why can you not win indefinately? some people believe that no method will ever win but if the results are ever changing, as is my bet ( random ) then why not possible for 1 lucky sod to never lose? the wheel does not know where i place my bets.... so why as some say are we DESTINED to lose?
are those that say the wheel will seek us out, zone in and destoy our sessions ( not aimed at anyone )....... is this not just a spin on fallacy? that the bad number run HAS to appear sooner or later?
appreciate any feedback fellas as this nonsense keeps me awake!!! :-)
Shaineicus
I am going to answer your great post in the style of Lanky. My replies will always be in blue.
Quote from: shaineicus on March 30, 2012, 02:36:10 PM
Hi Sam & all,
Have had a few questions knocking about for a while as well so thought I would throw them in as along the same lines..
lets say you play and win for a while... why can you not win indefinately? some people believe that no method will ever win but if the results
In my opinion, you will face what I call the "run from hell". Trust me, it always happens. The more you play, the more you are exposed. Now, there are some "seemingly" very lucky people. One we know won $20,000.00 in an Indian casino slot machine. How much she has lost over the years--well, that's a horse of a different color.
are ever changing, as is my bet ( random ) then why not possible for 1 lucky sod to never lose? the wheel does not know where I place my bets.... so why as some say are we DESTINED to lose?
On lucky sod might win for a long time, but the run from hell will get him. I do not believe we are destined to lose. I am always searching for the "recoverable loss"--that is, yes, I lost but I will win so much in the future it doesn't matter. May not exist.
are those that say the wheel will seek us out, zone in and destoy our sessions ( not aimed at anyone )....... is this not just a spin on fallacy? that the bad number run HAS to appear sooner or later?
The wheel will NOT seek you out, but it will certainly seem that it does.
appreciate any feedback fellas as this nonsense keeps me awake!!! :-)
There is a lot of misinformation about roulette in the world. I am not a guru, but I'll gaurontee you I've figured out most, if not all, of it.
I will give you one piece of information. If you can't get by this, your system will never win.
You wait until 10, 20, 30, or any number of reds occur. Black must occur next. Now answer me this:
What physical or mathematical reason is there for black to hit on THE NEXT SPIN? Why have the odds changed? Are there still not 18 of each color? Why can't red hit again?
This is the same with dozens, columns, streets or any proposition.
Thanks for the reply.
Sam
A couple of other things and then I should shut up and practice guitar for a while..........
You can never say, "This is what the wheel is doing." You can say, "This is what the wheel was doing." or "This is what the wheel might do.". The present does not exist on a roulette wheel. It's like..where was the man when he jumped off the bridge? On the bridge? No, he hadn't jumped. In the air? No, that was after he jumped. There is no answer.
Yet anyone who has watched a wheel knows that it runs in streaks. Is there a cause for this? If you could get in on the beginning of a streak, you would get rich. Who can?
The wheel has hit six reds. Captain Obvious points out to the table, "The wheel is hitting red." Now, on the next spin, black takes over for six spins. Was the Captain right? Now you see that the wheel was hitting red.
People, if you want to shoot birds on the wing stay away from penguins. Find doves or quail.
Sam
QuoteYet anyone who has watched a wheel knows that it runs in streaks. Is there a cause for this? If you could get in on the beginning of a streak, you would get rich. Who can?
When you look deeper into the occurrence of the current conditions sometimes there's a much bigger picture that comes into view. Take your six reds and then six blacks, they may indicate a bigger streak than what was previously indicated. It could be the beginning of a swarm of mini streaks. You can't win if you don't put your hat in the ring.
thanks for the reply,
these questions were really borne when some enlighlened idiot at work said to me.. " if you put a group of chimps in a room with a pen for infinity then they would eventually recreate the works of shakespeare".
I had to refrain from putting my pen in the fools eye!
but imo its the same as roulette... just because something can happen does not mean it ever will or HAS to. Im yet to see or hear of a string of 0- 15 showing in sequence... let alone what IS possible.
I agree with you that no number/ street etc is ever due, but if no PROPOSITION is ever due then i guess no RUN FROM HELL can be either.. each result is a singular event then same must apply to every bet attached to that result.
We know the run from hell exists and has hit us all but what pickles me is why?.... it doesnt have to....
as for your quote: "People, if you want to shoot birds on the wing stay away from penguins. Find doves or quail."... thanks.... more lost sleep :-)
be lucky.
So there is either a cause for the RFH or no cause.
Yet, you may count on it.
More for me to think on..........
G'day...
the maths tell you that if you pick a number of winners. to compensate you must then pick a number of losers. if you were to pick more winners then losers you would be predicting the future. thats why you must lose more then you win.
The maths also tells you that playing with an edge means you will be a long term winner. It must suck to be in the losers group.
Pins and Bally are exactly right!
as theres no such thing as a edge in roulette . the future not ours to see.
Hi Pins,
I agree that after picking x winners you will get x losers....
you say to compensate and there is a mathematical reason why I must place a certain amount on losing bets.
could you please explain this math to me.
Not looking for a row bud, just trying to understand others views..
cheers
--Run from hell????
It doesn't exist in non progressive play.
Flat bet/find a method that suits you best/
and whenever 4+ call it a day.
In 75% cases you should be a winner.
HI MCMconaco,
I refer to run from hell as those sessions where you just cant catch a bet, as in some days at the office you are on form and some you have your head up your *r*e all day. Some days i pick up the guitar and all sounds great and some i cant hit a note.
personally i play as you say, a few units a session does me fine.. think most people here would feel confident they could walk out +3/4 units most days yet a lot of people insist you will lose long term....
Someone here said not too long ago that its easier to win 1 unit of 50 than 50 units of 1... agreed, and since most of us see this as not too unreasonable it leads to what would constitute a successful strategy....
It works for me fine.4-6 head learned methods,flat bet,swapping
it after any +=8-12+ units per session.Very rarely,in fact can't
remember last time it happened,that didn't won as planed.
Mcmonaco, u mean EC game?
Quote from: mcmonaco on March 31, 2012, 10:25:50 AM
It works for me fine.4-6 head learned methods,flat bet,swapping
it after any +=8-12+ units per session.Very rarely,in fact can't
remember last time it happened,that didn't won as planed.
Quote from: mcmonaco on March 31, 2012, 08:43:57 AM
--Run from hell????
It doesn't exist in non progressive play.
Flat bet/find a method that suits you best/
and whenever 4+ call it a day.
In 75% cases you should be a winner.
75% means 3 out of 4? Not good enough for me.
what do u mean not good enough? if with EC u win on average one unit while betting one unit -- 4 time, then lose one unit, u still have 3 units. It is like u bet daily 400 dollars and get 300 out of it on average.