Same as BALLY but diff.numbers
1)last 24 numbers 1+on los 1-on win
2)...SAME AS ABOVE
3)...SAME AS ABOVE.
Unit here is 2
Quote from: mcmonaco on May 07, 2012, 10:25:59 AM
Same as BALLY but diff.numbers
1)last 24 numbers 1+on los 1-on win
2)...SAME AS ABOVE
3)...SAME AS ABOVE.
Unit here is 2
Lol With that bet you should win. I could be whatever number on the wheel or the felt.
Are you kidding? Cant you write down the bets in an understandable way?
Quote from: Carpanta on May 07, 2012, 12:02:34 PM
Lol With that bet you should win. I could be whatever number on the wheel or the felt.
Are you kidding? Cant you write down the bets in an understandable way?
Whats wrong with this bet,it is very understandable....start betting on last 24
numbers after these shows..don't wish to win,but am sure after 300 spins will
have more winners then anybody,even thought am giving away about 35 virt.spins.
It is a bet as any others.
Quote from: crackers on May 07, 2012, 08:03:55 PM
BTW is it $1,000 total BR or $1,000 per game?
Good point. I suppose it should be 1000 per game so 3000 total but you can't use units from 1 game to another.
Is that ok?
Quote from: bombus on May 07, 2012, 08:20:12 PM
Is that ok?
That is so OK that my whisky tastes smooth.
Quote from: MattyMattz on May 07, 2012, 09:52:37 PM
Game1: -12 (L)
Game2: -12 (L)
Game3: +24 (w)
Current Bet:
Game 1: Same Bet, 2 units
Game 2: Same Bet, 2 units
Game 3: 5,6,13,15,16,18,19,22,24,27,29,32 - Progression for the next 4 spins: 1,2,3,5. Stop on any win.
Hi MattyMattz,
From now on instead of writing 'same bet' could you just paste your numbers up each time?
Much easier for those watching to see the numbers at each post rather than searching back to see them.
Cheers.
Quote from: bombus on May 08, 2012, 07:15:25 AM
Yes the different strategies will be very interesting to study, bet selections and money management equally so. A lot of good lessons should develop for those willing to engage their minds.
My advice for the participants is to remember the bulk of the contest is straight roulette play, but the final stages, especially the last few spins are about winning the contest. At some point some of you might need to sacrifice your Queen in order to be triumphant.
Don't forget guys if you can all get your bets on quickly then I can post more numbers each day. That way we can finish the challenge sooner.
Come on albertojonas & mcmonaco put your bets on! :good:
Didn't I????MY BETTING STARTS WHEN 24 UNIQUE NUMBERS SHOW.in other words after about
36 virtuals.....Giving you all start of 36 spins....LOL...and BTW MY STAKE SHOULD BE 4 chips/instead of 2 as announced/on each number.therefore 1 un=4 chips....on lose 4,8,12,16,on win 16,12,8,4
happy hunting.
Mcm,
First you say you're betting on the last 24 numbers @ 2 units, now you say you're betting on the last 24 unique numbers @ 4 units???
So have you placed a bet yet or what and on what and how much?
If you want to participate in the challenge then you need to place your bets each round in a fashion that everyone can understand.
So you need to post the actual numbers you are betting on and the amount you are betting after each new spin.
You also need to post you're current bankroll after each new spin.
If you can't be bothered doing that then please feel free to leave the contest. :thumbsup:
Quote from: bombus on May 08, 2012, 10:07:09 AM
Mcm,
First you say you're betting on the last 24 numbers @ 2 units, now you say you're betting on the last 24 unique numbers @ 4 units???
So have you placed a bet yet or what and on what and how much?
If you want to participate in the challenge then you need to place your bets each round in a fashion that everyone can understand.
So you need to post the actual numbers you are betting on and the amount you are betting after each new spin.
You also need to post you're current bankroll after each new spin.
If you can't be bothered doing that then please feel free to leave the contest. :thumbsup:
It starts already. Bickering etc... This challenge wont prove anything. A monkey was a winner picking a stocks in a similar challenge not a long time ago. First of all most of good players dont bet on any set of numbers provided, if somebody is willing to do it then sorry i dont take him seriously.
This setup does not reflect an actual play conditions but it provides some entertainment.
Just dont take it too seriously and dont let yr ego be carried away :diablo:
Good luck
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 08, 2012, 11:18:31 AM
It starts already. Bickering etc... This challenge wont prove anything. A monkey was a winner picking a stocks in a similar challenge not a long time ago. First of all most of good players dont bet on any set of numbers provided, if somebody is willing to do it then sorry I dont take him seriously.
This setup does not reflect an actual play conditions but it provides some entertainment.
Just dont take it too seriously and dont let yr ego be carried away :diablo:
Good luck
If monkeys are allowed to write here why can't it be a winner picking whatever you say.
And everybody round here are VERY MUCH concerned about you not taking us seriously.
Quote from: Carpanta on May 08, 2012, 11:30:58 AM
If monkeys are allowed to write here why can't it be a winner picking whatever you say.
And everybody round here are VERY MUCH concerned about you not taking us seriously.
Hello Carpanta
You did not get my point. In order to establish your credentials here you need much bigger sample to play with and more time. What are you going to prove if you are winner here?
You need to be ahead after few months of a regular play to make me a believer.
Otherwise you will be always labelled as a one hit wonder.
There are nobody with public proven establish credentials on this forum if my memorie serves me right.
This is all for fun and we try and make it fair and understandable for all players concerned.
Regards
Max
Quote from: MAX on May 08, 2012, 11:52:29 AM
There are nobody here with public proven establish credentials on this forum.
This is all for fun and we try and make it fair and understandable for all players concerned.
Regards
Max
Hehe you seem to be the relaxed one here and i enjoy reading the posts here.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 08, 2012, 11:39:19 AM
You did not get my point. In order to establish your credentials here you need much bigger sample to play with and more time. What are you going to prove if you are winner here?
You need to be ahead after few months of a regular play to make me a believer.
Otherwise you will be always labelled as a one hit wonder.
I knew this would happen. I said that my demonstration would prove nothing.
More important here though is why you demand proof. I told you how to get
the proof that you require and what it would take to get it. So here it is again.
We all know you are so serious about this that you want to be given a working
method or system that makes you money. Barring that you are here to be
obnoxious and demanding. You are nothing but another nag. So here is the
only holy grail you will ever get. YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE WILL BE THE ONLY
PROOF THAT YOU WILL EVER BELIEVE. You've had it explained to you. Now
go take a long look in the mirror and nag that guy.
Quote from: crackers on May 08, 2012, 11:55:41 AM
I knew this would happen. I said that my demonstration would prove nothing.
More important here though is why you demand proof. I told you how to get
the proof that you require and what it would take to get it. So here it is again.
We all know you are so serious about this that you want to be given a working
method or system that makes you money. Barring that you are here to be
obnoxious and demanding. You are nothing but another nag. So here is the
only holy grail you will ever get. YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE WILL BE THE ONLY
PROOF THAT YOU WILL EVER BELIEVE. You've had it explained to you. Now
go take a long look in the mirror and nag that guy.
I dont demand anything. Again you read my post carefully. Its just this challenge is only good for
an entertainment value here. Im in no position to question anybody's credentials here and you dont play for any money here in this challenge so peace to everybody.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 08, 2012, 12:06:41 PM
I dont demand anything. Again you read my post carefully. Its just this challenge is only good for
an entertainment value here. Im in no position to question anybody's credentials here and you dont play for any money here in this challenge so peace to everybody.
I read your posted comments. Peace on you too.
Example: " Just dont take it too seriously and dont let yr ego be carried away."
That's a demand if I ever read one.
Quote from: crackers on May 08, 2012, 12:13:52 PM
I read your posted comments. Peace on you too.
Example: " Just dont take it too seriously and dont let yr ego be carried away."
That's a demand if I ever read one.
Thx. Glad we are on d same page here ::)
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 08, 2012, 12:18:43 PM
Thx. Glad we are on d same page here ::)
Oh heck yeah. Think nothing of it.
Quote from: bombus on May 08, 2012, 10:07:09 AM
Mcm,
First you say you're betting on the last 24 numbers @ 2 units, now you say you're betting on the last 24 unique numbers @ 4 units???
So have you placed a bet yet or what and on what and how much?
If you want to participate in the challenge then you need to place your bets each round in a fashion that everyone can understand.
So you need to post the actual numbers you are betting on and the amount you are betting after each new spin.
You also need to post you're current bankroll after each new spin.
If you can't be bothered doing that then please feel free to leave the contest. :thumbsup:
Gladly would...as to me that isn't a contest of knowledge about roulette but
something like long term forecast guessing.Have a fun.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 08, 2012, 11:18:31 AM
It starts already. Bickering etc... This challenge wont prove anything. A monkey was a winner picking a stocks in a similar challenge not a long time ago. First of all most of good players dont bet on any set of numbers provided, if somebody is willing to do it then sorry I dont take him seriously.
This setup does not reflect an actual play conditions but it provides some entertainment.
Just dont take it too seriously and dont let yr ego be carried away :diablo:
Good luck
Robeenhuut,
There is no bickering here except maybe your own posts.
My post was certainly not bickering. I just don't see why the rest of the players should put up with ambiguous bets that need to be deciphered at all.
mcmonaco was not abiding by the rules so he's gone. Plain and simple, no bickers about it.
Also, take what you will from the challenge. Have some fun, be entertained, or try to learn something. It's up to you.
Cheers.
You have to run a hundred of these contests for it to mean anything. One or two proves less than nothing. I saw a guy playing airball bet on two dozens and win $600 in 20min because the 3rd dozen was sleeping mostly. Big deal.
It proves who the winner is!
These challenges are very tricky.
First you have to be a a good player with select skills, then you have to be a bit lucky, then at the pointy end you need to have sharp strategy skills to win. The final stages of these challenges is more like a poker match than a roulette game. That's what I like about them.
The last challenge I participated in I ran second behind Noble Savage. The gap was many hundreds of units. If I had played my selected bets I still would have run second but the gap would have been much less. So I had to sort of go 'all in' to stand any chance of a win. I lost.
If I had sort of gone 'all in' a few spins earlier the tables would have been turned.
So the challenge is about roulette, but it's a bit more than that. End game strategic tactics coupled with a bit of luck can determine the winner!
I agree with you bombus. It's not about proving anything. Long run success cant be showed whatever you do. At least who stays ahead at the end of all three sessions can claim he succeded through them. And that is not such an easy task playing most of the spins.
Carpantha
Does the key to success like in deciphering the tag at the end of your posts? If I study those numbers, is it possible to learn something?
Samster
A first time roulette player can win a challenge. It
has nothing to do with going to the casino and
walking away a consistent winner.
Quote from: cheese on May 10, 2012, 02:29:58 PM
A first time roulette player can win a challenge. It
has nothing to do with going to the casino and
walking away a consistent winner.
OK then Cheese,
So please enlighten us with your vast knowledge and expirience,
tell us how to walk away from the casino a consistent winner ?
Davemd.
QuoteOK then Cheese,
So please enlighten us with your vast knowledge and expirience,
tell us how to walk away from the casino a consistent winner ?
Davemd.
Yes Cheese. Please tell us how to be
consistent winners ..........................................
iggy
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 10, 2012, 10:12:49 AM
Carpantha
Does the key to success like in deciphering the tag at the end of your posts? If I study those numbers, is it possible to learn something?
Samster
Hi twocatsam,
Deciphering the tag at the end of my posts wont lead anyone to success but the idea behind it yes.
It is about to follow the outcomes flow when events cluster like in that example. Despite it can be obvious we players may not profit when it happens.
Most of those numbers belong to a column on the wheel in accordance to Kimo Li's sorting out of the numbers.
Column 1 numbers are 32 4 25 6 36 8 5 33 14 22 7 35.
After second repeat in a row (theird appearence) or chopping i bet on each number looking for a theird repeat. In that case it would have been terrific. But it is very rare such long run.
I do the same with other events (variants) while tracking outcomes.
Cheer,
Carlos.
G'day All,
Meanwhile, back in the land of MiniBaccarat 'Public Competition',
how full of shit and delusional do I look?......(call Me Gillard, (current Australian Prime Minister))!!!
Well actually, it's where I would expect to be, no panicing here..........YET!!
Though funnily enough 2 mistakes, one each way, for a total of minus 10 units,
so I'll have to 'bodgy' (nolinks.koalanet.com.au/australian-slang.html)
up at some stage, which of cause some will say is what I'm doing All the time,
while others will say WHY BOTHER!!
Glenn.
Dang am I happy. life is good. I have my whisky and I have my very own badger chewing on me. how could you want anything more than that. I did the right thing.
G'day,
I've never had a 'badger' chew on Me, I've woken up after a heavy night's drinking and found a 'dog' had
:shout: 'swallowed' :yahoo: Me, but then who am I to cast aspersions about one's looks, hygine, ability to lick etc.
Glenn.
Public competition gives me the opportunity to decipher the method of play each individual. Judging from what I have observed so far, Bowtie X Y variance seem to prevail, just an observation.
Kimo Li
Assuming you are just seeing a dominance of your pet groupings occurring more
frequently in some associated form of a trend or betting method that closely
resembles something from your books doesn't mean much. You are not in there
making bets before the fact. It's just more hindsight is 20/20. Anyone can do that.
All I see is a himispherical blue bird performing a hiding worm trick with a typical
bent boogie-woogie with a half-nelson torked glaphahber ...
Quote from: crackers on May 18, 2012, 11:33:25 PM
Assuming you are just seeing a dominance of your pet groupings occurring more
frequently in some associated form of a trend or betting method that closely
resembles something from your books doesn't mean much. You are not in there
making bets before the fact. It's just more hindsight is 20/20. Anyone can do that.
All I see is a himispherical blue bird performing a hiding worm trick with a typical
bent boogie-woogie with a half-nelson torked glaphahber ...
Isn't it a bit ironic that your saying this after bailing on the competition? Although you haven't said much since leaving, it just seems funny.
Quote from: MattyMattz on May 18, 2012, 11:36:45 PM
Isn't it a bit ironic that your saying this after bailing on the competition? Although you haven't said much since leaving, it just seems funny.
Isn't it funny that glaciers will move faster than you will in the next 100 days? I'm using my
time to improve my capabilities. I'm out. I make no apologies for quitting. I don't answer to
you. I didn't offer criticism for you staying. If you want to wipe butts around here for your
political correct command post then you can. Personally this is no grand achievement.
LOL, classic answer.
Look Crackers, I'm not here to give you a hard time (I'll leave that duty to someone else who needs no introduction). I just thought it was a funny post.
Wasn't trying to call you out. Sure I'm sour you left the competition, but only cause it's more fun with more people.
I can see why you have a heart problem, you need to learn how to take a joke.
MM
I know you are right. But I expect Kimo Li to flip out.
LOL - your probably right. WOW - did we just agree on something? :clapping:
Quote from: MattyMattz on May 18, 2012, 11:54:35 PM
LOL, classic answer.
Its an ironic answer. You can claim to be
best, prove you're the worst, and still
think you're the authority on the game.
Pure irony.
The result of expectations is disappointment. I suggest foregoing all expectations and you will find peace.
Kimo Li
Quote from: crackers on May 18, 2012, 11:33:25 PM
Assuming you are just seeing a dominance of your pet groupings occurring more
frequently in some associated form of a trend or betting method that closely
resembles something from your books doesn't mean much. You are not in there
making bets before the fact. It's just more hindsight is 20/20. Anyone can do that.
All I see is a himispherical blue bird performing a hiding worm trick with a typical
bent boogie-woogie with a half-nelson torked glaphahber ...
I dont understand you crackers.
Now it seems dominances of your groupings (variances) from the table layout are worthier than others dominances worked out from wheel numbers arrangements.
Dominances are dominances no matter where you find them. So a dominance of whatever wheel numbers arrangement is a fact too.
What's not a fact is how long it will last. Another fact is it is noticeable when it finishes (frecuency of its natural appearence becomes underrated). On that i think we agree, dont we?
Why crackers, Kimo Li followers place bets AFTER the facts. Past results repeat, no matter what (randomness cant neglect it). We look for frecuency and/or secuency of such results to repeat.
You feel contempt for Kimo Li strategies. I believe it is due to your lack of understanding or interest in what's behind them. There is no vodoo there but a smart way of tracking ball movement.
Fact is you missed a good oportunity to show your knowledge and your claimed edge (at least in 3 games) over roulette in the contest.
Fact is i'm there playing (better or worse) with Kimo Li's out of the box ideas and my own way to see them (my matrices included).
Fact will be when the contest finishes i'll be ahead from my initial bankroll in all three games.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Quote from: Kimo Li on May 18, 2012, 10:40:07 PM
Public competition gives me the opportunity to decipher the method of play each individual. Judging from what I have observed so far, Bowtie X Y variance seem to prevail, just an observation.
Nice to see you around, Kimo.
My strategy is wheel based as you know.
It's flexible also. I dont have a fixed amount of numbers to bet on each time I play.
X and Y is the big scenario. Nuke movements (quads) are tracked also to see how X and Y are behaving. Also Four Leaves Clover strategy in mind to merge with Quads.
Pinwheels 14, 25 and 36 to complete the scenario.
I apply Set Theory to these variances.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Carlos
Would you consider answering questions on your method of play in the contest? I have both of Kimo's books and can reference anything written there.
Over the years I have put in the hours trying to get the gist of what the man is saying, but to no avail. There are times when the student outstrips the teacher and I believe you have done so.
Samster
Quote from: cheese on May 19, 2012, 12:14:26 AM
Its an ironic answer. You can claim to be
best, prove you're the worst, and still
think you're the authority on the game.
Pure irony.
Pot, Kettle, Black - the irony is so thick you would need a diamond saw to cut it.
Quote from: Kimo Li on May 19, 2012, 01:52:34 AM
The result of expectations is disappointment. I suggest foregoing all expectations and you will find peace.
Kimo Li
Jeez - if your grand achievement is peace then roulette is a funny place to seek it.
I suggest making your expectation the pursuit of freedom. Succeed at that and peace
will be one of many rewards.
Carlos - open your mind. I'm not claiming that my pet groupings are more useful
to me than KL's are to him. A grouping is no better than any other. The problem is
in hiding concepts in the complexity of a unique syntactic mapping system. Everything
can be identified in the simplest of terms. I'm an expert at identifying never seen
before patterns. You can't see a pattern through a matrix of complexity based on
syntactic mapping. You must visualize it in your mind first. Once you do that all
visual dexterity is thrown down the drain. That forces you to see only a few pet
patterns if you are lucky. You will never see radical versions of randomness.
Unique perfect patterns are all around you. I suggest using the simplest and
easiest methods to detect them. KL has a few books to sell. Smoke & mirrors is
a tried and true successful method of doing that. You target your market with
something that looks promising. It works.
Crackers - I'm not sure how Kimo's "smoke and mirrors" differs from yours...
Neither has shown to be the "holy grail" although both authors would disagree.
Quote from: crackers on May 19, 2012, 10:58:05 AM
Jeez - if your grand achievement is peace then roulette is a funny place to seek it.
:lol:
Quote from: MattyMattz on May 19, 2012, 11:46:51 AM
Crackers - I'm not sure how Kimo's "smoke and mirrors" differs from yours...
Neither has shown to be the "holy grail" although both authors would disagree.
Four years ago I suggested the existence of the elegant pattern. Nobody gets it. After
attempting to teach ten people I came to the conclusion that there is no danger in
sharing most of it openly. No book, no complex matrix, no difficult to memorize
mapping systems required. I share what works for me. I'm no longer a selfish SOB
that I used to be. At least not like my own personal pit yorkie out there somewhere.
My proof will come from those that succeed at it. Until that day there will always be
skepticism.
Did you ever notice when someone is good at what they do, they seem self-assured, confident, and calm? The opposite is inevitably true.
Public competition displays the human experiences and how people handle wins and losses; praise and humiliation; happiness and anger.
Roulette is a solitary game; Drama, not included.
Kimo Li
Have you ever noticed that when some people see a free spirit that many of them
will attempt to place a mill stone in their path?
QuoteHave you ever noticed that when some people see a free spirit that many of them
will attempt to place a mill stone in their path?
What does that have to do with public competition or roulette?
Il Omik
Quote from: crackers on May 19, 2012, 12:06:46 PM
Four years ago I suggested the existence of the elegant pattern. Nobody gets it.
Nobody gets it because you never explain it well enough
that anybody ever knows what you're talking about. You
have said more than once over the years how much you
enjoy stringing meaningless words and sentences together
that makes it look like you're an expert.
Elegant Patterns seems to be a good example of that.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 19, 2012, 08:46:25 AM
Carlos
Would you consider answering questions on your method of play in the contest? I have both of Kimo's books and can reference anything written there.
Over the years I have put in the hours trying to get the gist of what the man is saying, but to no avail. There are times when the student outstrips the teacher and I believe you have done so.
You can ask whatever question. No problem.
As the saying is: fake modesty is half pride sin. But no i havent outstripped Kimo.
He plays his tools and i play mine. Different matrices but same idea.
Regards,
Carlos.
Quote from: cheese on May 19, 2012, 07:40:58 PM
Nobody gets it because you never explain it well enough
that anybody ever knows what you're talking about. You
have said more than once over the years how much you
enjoy stringing meaningless words and sentences together
that makes it look like you're an expert.
Elegant Patterns seems to be a good example of that.
So let's try one more time. It's any perfect pattern that lasts from 20 to 30 spins.
The trouble is most people have no idea what a pattern is. I just want to know how
can people be so stupid. Do they need to be treated like little children holding their
hands. Can it be that nobody knows what a pattern is. Lets see if you get this this
time.
QuoteSo let's try one more time. It's any perfect pattern that lasts from 20 to 30 spins.
3
31
31
15
21
15
6
19
4
16
16
0
10
18
35
20
16
23
24
11
32
20
20
1
28
34
21
26
27
5
Here's thirty spins. Show us a pattern.
Simple stuff:
odd and even
O
O
O
O
O
O
E
O
E
E
E
X
E
E
O
E
E
O
E
O
E
E
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O
E
O
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high and low
L
H
H
L
H
L
L
H
L
L
L
X
L
L
H
H
L
H
H
L
H
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L
red and black
R
B
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
R
R
X
B
R
B
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
R
R
B
R
R
Then there's GPM, nah, too complicated.
Kimo Li
Kimo Li
repeat
Yep MM, KL is for sure ticked off. This is more work than I've seen in years.
You can't provide a pattern, can you? Here's your chance.
28
35
11
25
31
28
31
0
34
1
35
30
20
23
31
30
6
15
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33
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18
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25
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Kimo Li
Great KL. I noticed that you have no consideration for visual dexterity. In fact I doubt
that you even know why. As far as complexity goes I have my own wheel based
sections to. I have no doubt that you could spend the next few days learning them.
It would prove you can waste time needlessly as you expect me to.
Quote from: crackers on May 19, 2012, 09:10:19 PM
It's any perfect pattern that lasts from 20 to 30 spins.
Perfect pattern, never heard of it. What does it mean?
Quote from: Kimo Li on May 19, 2012, 10:37:59 PM
You can't provide a pattern, can you? Here's your chance.
I think he means he see's a long pattern after
its over, like RBRBRBRBRB for 30 spins and
thinks it means something significant. It doesn't.
Quote from: cheese on May 19, 2012, 10:44:11 PM
Perfect pattern, never heard of it. What does it mean?
Perfect... that's you. Your opinion I mean.
Quote from: crackers on May 19, 2012, 10:49:28 PM
Perfect... that's you. Your opinion I mean.
So its a secret, then? Another Gizmo balonyfest?
You dearly love to say we don't understand this
and we don't understand that, yet when pressed
for details, you clam up.
Whats a 'perfect pattern'? Do you even know?
I'll give you a hand before you embarrass yourself.
It doesn't exist. It can't exist except in your mind.
If you think you see a pattern in a series of outcomes,
everybody should be able to see it. And they can't,
until you explain it to them. Then they aren't seeing
a pattern, they're seeing you're explanation.
Its like a rorschach test where you think you see a
butterfly and somebody else see's Lincoln's face.
Both are right. There are no patterns in roulette,
there's only what you make up. If you see an 'elegant
pattern' its all in your head, its a rorschach butterfly.
WOW! NOW SPIKE IS LORD OF THE FLIES. Father Roulette has now set up his
Psychologist stand for 25 cents a pop. There is only one thing to do here. I'll
have to prove the existence of both common and elegant patterns for all his
flies. Now that this pest has placed all of his credibility on the line. This will
be a fun week.
Quote from: cheese on May 20, 2012, 01:01:55 AM
So its a secret, then? Another Gizmo balonyfest?
You dearly love to say we don't understand this
and we don't understand that, yet when pressed
for details, you clam up.
Whats a 'perfect pattern'? Do you even know?
I'll give you a hand before you embarrass yourself.
It doesn't exist. It can't exist except in your mind.
If you think you see a pattern in a series of outcomes,
everybody should be able to see it. And they can't,
until you explain it to them. Then they aren't seeing
a pattern, they're seeing you're explanation.
Its like a rorschach test where you think you see a
butterfly and somebody else see's Lincoln's face.
Both are right. There are no patterns in roulette,
there's only what you make up. If you see an 'elegant
pattern' its all in your head, its a rorschach butterfly.
Here is the first elegant pattern and the first time I noticed it:
1,1,2,1,1,3,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,1,3,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,1,3,1,1,2,1,1,2
This occured back in 1993 and I made almost $3,000 off of it.
You can look for proof of patterns and perfect patterns in the
grail of randomness thread.
Quote from: crackers on May 20, 2012, 03:38:06 AM
Here is the first elegant pattern and the first time I noticed it:
1,1,2,1,1,3,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,1,3,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,1,3,1,1,2,1,1,2
Its a fluke arrangement of random outcomes.
Quote from: cheese on May 20, 2012, 03:43:05 AM
Its a fluke arrangement of random outcomes.
Aren't they all?
And what is a fluke anyway? Can we gain any advantage from flukes?
Quote from: bombus on May 20, 2012, 08:12:45 AM
And what is a fluke anyway? Can we gain any advantage from flukes?
Common patterns occur from 10 to 15 spins long. You notice them usually by the
6th spin of that length. That gives you several spins where you can bet as if you
knew what the next few outcomes will be. If you lose one bet then that pattern
is broken. There are many ways to take advantage of these opportunities. The
very best way is to play it is as a free played positive progression. If that needs
an explanation then I'll provide one.
Quote from: crackers on May 20, 2012, 10:43:40 AM
Common patterns occur from 10 to 15 spins long. You notice them usually by the
6th spin of that length. That gives you several spins where you can bet as if you
knew what the next few outcomes will be. If you lose one bet then that pattern
is broken. There are many ways to take advantage of these opportunities. The
very best way is to play it is as a free played positive progression. If that needs
an explanation then I'll provide one.
what do you consider as common patterns?
give examples of them forming at 6th spin also.
Feel free to exemplify also your positive progression.
Cheers
All patterns are common. The only difference is that rather than being rare, where
they occur as many times as 30 spins, they only occur for 10 to 15 spins. You can
easily see them in my format of charting. Memorizing hundreds of them is far less
productive than having the capacity to recognize them having never considered
their form before. If you are waiting for rrB to repeat then you might miss BBr
repeating. Fortune rewards the prepared mind.
On EC you bet 20 on the first bet. On the second bet you bet the 20 you just
won. That second bet is free. It's already paid for. So you let it ride. You can
let it ride at full value or you can take a little each step that you win. There
is no way to lose this bet once you have won the first bet. Those that fail to
recognize opportunities succeed at failing themselves.
Quote from: crackers on May 20, 2012, 11:26:50 AM
On EC you bet 20 on the first bet. On the second bet you bet the 20 you just
won. That second bet is free. It's already paid for. So you let it ride.
Its the oldest bet in roulette, the parlay bet.
Letting it ride was the poor mans way in
EU of using what little money he had to win
a jackpot with. Its just another progression
and does nothing to help you improve your
odds.
Quote from: albertojonas on May 20, 2012, 08:24:50 AM
No matter how hard one try or how many outcomes analyzed, one can only observe 3 different formations produced by this distribution.
What 3 formations, what do you mean.
Quote from: crackers on May 20, 2012, 10:43:40 AM
Common patterns occur from 10 to 15 spins long.I only mentioned Common patterns because you did here. You notice them usually by the 6th spin of that length Is this your preferred length?.
That gives you several spins where you can bet as if you knew what the next few outcomes will be. This I call Educated Guess or Speculation
Quote from: cheese on May 20, 2012, 05:41:56 PM
Its the oldest bet in roulette, the parlay bet.
Letting it ride was the poor mans way in
EU of using what little money he had to win
a jackpot with. Its just another progression
and does nothing to help you improve your
odds.
Who claimed it improves odds? Straw man debating trick always used when you have
nothing. I guess you see patterns now. I'm sure there are several people here that
would be more than happy to help you see them if you don't see them.
Quote from: albertojonas on May 20, 2012, 06:18:51 PM
this kind of reply is useless for the matter... :nono:
Excuse me while I deal with my daily pest control. If you want to take the lead on
perfect patterns and elegant patterns then go ahead. I've been dealing with people
that don't believe in them for years.
*****pest control ????*****
Quote from: albertojonas on May 20, 2012, 06:08:57 PM
I mean three possible states.
singles 010
series 1100
hovering state 11011
I understand the singles and series, the hovering
I don't get. Do you mean its hovering between
singles and series?
Its actually not doing any of those things, its an
illusion you create to help you organize things.
Calling it a 'state' is definitely incorrect.
Quote from: cheese on January 16, 1970, 08:32:34 AM
Its actually not doing any of those things, its an
illusion you create to help you organize things.
Calling it a 'state' is definitely incorrect.
10 red numbers in a row are not an illusion. They are in fact real. If the next spin turns
out to be red then the condition of reds in a row continued. The state of continuing is real.
It's time to stop kissing up to snowman spike. Get over it.
Quote from: albertojonas on May 20, 2012, 08:53:56 PM
It looks curious to me, as nothing is due to happen. :scratch_ones_head:
Another meaningless isolated event. They aren't
important, like Gizmo's Pie in the Sky patterns, or
whatever he calls them. All thats important is the
next spin, what is the next spin going to be. All
your concentration has to be on the next outcome.
Because the game changes with every spin, trying
to do graphs and charts and cheat sheets is a waste
of time. You have to keep eliminating until all thats
left is the game unfolding in front of you, and all
your thoughts are on that. Easier said than done. Most
people over think it.
I can do it too. That's just so much more meaningless claptrap. The next spin
continuing in the state of continuing, be that a trend or the anti-trend, is all that
matters.
Quote from: cheese on May 20, 2012, 09:20:31 PM
Another meaningless isolated event. They aren't
important, like Gizmo's Pie in the Sky patterns, or
whatever he calls them. All thats important is the
next spin, what is the next spin going to be. All
your concentration has to be on the next outcome.
Because the game changes with every spin, trying
to do graphs and charts and cheat sheets is a waste
of time. You have to keep eliminating until all thats
left is the game unfolding in front of you, and all
your thoughts are on that. Easier said than done. Most
people over think it.
Quote from: albertojonas on May 20, 2012, 09:40:32 PM
don't understand what is your point. Sorry. :blink:
It wasn't addressed to you. Does that help?
Quote from: crackers on May 20, 2012, 09:43:40 PM
It wasn't addressed to you. Does that help?
I did not offend you did I?
:punish:
Just wasting my time, I thought you were serious about this. But you prefer to feed a pointless and vague discussion with cheese.
Your choice. Just deleted my posts.
Stupidity is the most common element on universe.
Good Luck Troll.
Quote from: albertojonas on May 20, 2012, 09:45:11 PM
I did not offend you did I?
:punish:
Just wasting my time, I thought you were serious about this. But you prefer to feed a pointless and vague discussion with cheese.
Your choice. Just deleted my posts.
Stupidity is the most common element on universe.
Good Luck Troll.
Oh poor recipient of my sharing. He couldn't control me so he's going to take his toys
and go home. Why don't you quit on trends and anti-trends while you are at it.
Quote from: crackers on May 20, 2012, 10:05:14 PM
Oh poor recipient of my sharing. He couldn't control me so he's going to take his toys
and go home. Why don't you quit on trends and anti-trends while you are at it.
Control you? Recipient of your sharing? sharing what?
You do not understand a thing of what I say.
Go f**k Yourself loser.
I am sorry for you retarded.
Quote from: albertojonas on May 20, 2012, 09:45:11 PM
Your choice. Just deleted my posts.
And he did too. Its impossible to talk about
roulette unless you lay out an exact betting
plan, thats all people care about, I guess.
Quote from: cheese on May 20, 2012, 10:14:21 PM
And he did too. Its impossible to talk about
roulette unless you lay out an exact betting
plan, thats all people care about, I guess.
i don't know why bother wasting time with this guizmo guy. he just can not have a conversation... I see now why you developed this habit of pushing him... :blush2: :angry2:
Quote from: albertojonas on May 20, 2012, 10:17:48 PM
I don't know why bother wasting time with this guizmo guy. he just can not have a conversation... I see now why you developed this habit of pushing him... :blush2: :angry2:
You are the dope that was punked. Haven't you figured that out yet?
Here's the deal. This is about letting the matboyz figure out that the world is not flat.
This is not about giving Instructions to neophyte gamblers that have invested ten
minutes in their utopian future.
Quote from: crackers on May 20, 2012, 10:34:43 PM
You are the dope that was punked. Haven't you figured that out yet?
I am the one who realizes how stupid you are and how childish and week.
I remind you dropped out of competition because you could not sleep well.
Heart problems, my ass.
You are only full of Shittt and have nothing to do. I deleted my posts because i knew you would never be capable of figure it out and i don't wanna share the best that as ever been made out of even chances with a Stupidity king as yourself.
Get a grip.
Quote from: crackers on May 19, 2012, 11:25:54 AM
Carlos - open your mind. I'm not claiming that my pet groupings are more useful
to me than KL's are to him. A grouping is no better than any other. The problem is
in hiding concepts in the complexity of a unique syntactic mapping system. Everything
can be identified in the simplest of terms. I'm an expert at identifying never seen
before patterns. You can't see a pattern through a matrix of complexity based on
syntactic mapping. You must visualize it in your mind first. Once you do that all
visual dexterity is thrown down the drain. That forces you to see only a few pet
patterns if you are lucky. You will never see radical versions of randomness.
Unique perfect patterns are all around you. I suggest using the simplest and
easiest methods to detect them. KL has a few books to sell. Smoke & mirrors is
a tried and true successful method of doing that. You target your market with
something that looks promising. It works.
Long ago i opened my mind to a new approach to roulette game.
Before that time i used to think randomness sooner or later would be unmasked by a smart built up system. To make that system stronger a progression would do the trick.
Oh how wrong the results proved me. I learned the hard lesson: odds are against me (player) because of unfair payout. Maths dont lie. But systems rely on maths. Ergo systems cant beat roulette.
What was i left with?
I thought i should study randomness behaviour.
As roulette outcomes are not the result of my guessing then i could try to let randomness guess for me. I'd try coping with those things randomness can't deny to perform while producing outcomes: rhythm and tendencies of them.
In order to catch up with trends, patterns produced by the rhythm and tendency of outcomes i work with matrices (tracking and recording those outcomes). From here i play strategies flexible enough to adapt themselves to the changing conditions of the outcomes.
I'm aware how important is to pay attention to concepts as dominances, singles, series, groups, etc.
So crackers, dont think your way is the only one to make things work in roulette game.
My view of the game and strategies work for me and that's enough.
Despite that said, thanks for sharing your ideas and experiences.
Cheers,
Carlos.
In the simplest of terms. Can you see the trend?
***$***$***$***$***$***$***$
___/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/
-&-&-&-&-&-&-&-
888---888---888---888---888---888
What does a trend look like in a matrix?
1323
2312
3131
2233
1112
121
Quote from: albertojonas on May 21, 2012, 05:40:10 AM
I am the one who realizes how stupid you are and how childish and week.
I remind you dropped out of competition because you could not sleep well.
Heart problems, my ass.
You are only full of Shittt and have nothing to do. I deleted my posts because I knew you would never be capable of figure it out and I don't wanna share the best that as ever been made out of even chances with a Stupidity king as yourself.
Get a grip.
Prove it. That's all anyone wants.
Quote from: crackers on May 21, 2012, 02:03:37 PM
Prove it. That's all anyone wants.
You are the image of proof. You are stupid.
Quote from: crackers on May 21, 2012, 01:45:56 PM
In the simplest of terms. Can you see the trend?
***$***$***$***$***$***$***$
___/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/___/
-&-&-&-&-&-&-&-
888---888---888---888---888---888
What does a trend look like in a matrix?
1323
2312
3131
2233
1112
121
It can look like this in a 2:1 chance as in your example:
1323 1 3 C B
2312 B B C C
3131 C C B B
2233 C A C A
1112 C A A C
121 B B B
12 singles to begin with (that's why letter A is missing). From then on series (3 series in a row) till singles starts again. Singles outrate series 5/1 in this example.
Have a look to the letters. They can produce nice patterns. Trend C is dominant and has a better distribution along the rows. Tendency is to chop between 2 chances more than once when chopping starts. That's why letter B comes in series.
I dont want to interfere with your ideas. But as you asked!
Cheers,
Carlos.
Carlos - That's fascinating. It's true. You can look at a chart like that and see the
trends. I can't. I look at charts and see most of the possible trends in 12 sets of
dozens and the six sets of EC's. I can see all this in under three to five seconds.
That alone gives me time to consider the odds and risks involved in the best
choices. Then there's the time to fill in the charts and getting the bets down too.
I'm just attempting to suggest finding the simplest method to find the most
trend opportunities, in the shortest time possible. Anyone that has cut their
teeth on matrix type charts might actually be very good at it.
Albertojonas - " Just wasting my time, I thought you were serious about this. But you prefer to feed a pointless and vague discussion with cheese. Your choice. Just deleted my posts. Stupidity is the most common element on universe."
Gads, 858, and you gave it all back in just seven spins. You couldn't possibly teach me
or anyone else anything. Looks like you are rich with the 'S' element yourself. Pot,
Kettle, Black.
G'day,
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A nickname for a girl whose girl private smells of cheese and crackers.
Generally after fingering cheese and crackers, the smell lingers for several hours.
Man I was with cheese and crackers last night. My fingers still reek.
Down and out, welfare types you see in the grocery store late at night.
Although can also signify seemingly rich folks with big houses,
big mortgages lots of cars and NO furniture inside! HAAAAAHAAHAA!
Also, people who just don't get it!
Simpletons that have no imagination and can't grasp the obvious.
Don't go trick r' treatin in the mobile home park man,
them is just cheese and crackers over there.
Lee is always talking about himself and doesn't respect other people's
time or comment on their ideas. He's so cheese and crackers!
Glenn.