Hi , For years i've studied the roulette wheel , probability and just random numbers . For roulette , is not as random as you think . The creator of the roulette designed the wheel for one purpose only , that is to ensure that the roulette wheel results is in full controll of the groupier . How ! As far as the single zero roulette wheel concern ..... When the origanal wheel was designed the ball was much havier probably made of lead and the pockets was much deeper with flat pockets . That will produce a much controlled envirement . The secret is in the arangement of the numbers around the wheel . So what is so speacial about that combination of numbers ? How did the inventor select that combination of numbers ? He did not , chance did . Look at any roulette wheel you will find 4 deflectors on the track , There is one deflector that align with one number ( pocket )on the wheel and the other 3 deflectors will align with the deviders not the pockets . When the ball is spun and land up in a pocket , the number that aligned with the deflector is the distance from where it came to rest , the result . Numbers Equals Distance . But what happen when the wheel is aligned so that 3 pockets align with 3 deflectors ? Well the groupier can spin that wheel as he likes if he aligned only one pocket ,that will bee the distance scatter o no scatter but when 3 pockets is aligned with 3 deflectors he must hit a certain deflector to get that distance . With the new wheels less has changed . Where you can see it in the results is at the last number from where the ball was spun and at the result , you will find that the numbers around either 2 will be the distance from the last number . It's actualy very basic the roulette wheel is a cycloid problem and the most important part of any cycloid is the starting point , starting point of wheel aligned and starting point of the ball . It's all in the alignment . So there you have the secret of the roulettte wheel . Next time i will produce more evidence with zero mark the spot .
Kind regrds Papperclip 8)
I''ll be watching this with great interest paperclip, thanks.
Great first post!
Me to MOP
Quote from: amk on September 10, 2012, 09:50:25 PM
I''ll be watching this with great interest paperclip, thanks.
Great first post!
I wanted to paraphrase "Great first post" but could not modify.
Is that really you MOP?
i just hope no bashing will come to this thread as well as the other threads that shares their view on roulette.
lets just respect the thread starter and allow him to share to us his view on roulette, whether his a vb, method, mathematician, etc.
I agree with Marvin. If you don't like the post, don't read it again.
Paperclip,
Are you still out there??
Quote from: paperclip on August 29, 2012, 03:55:32 PM
Hi , For years I've studied the roulette wheel , probability and just random numbers . For roulette , is not as random as you think . The creator of the roulette designed the wheel for one purpose only , that is to ensure that the roulette wheel results is in full controll of the groupier . How ! As far as the single zero roulette wheel concern ..... When the origanal wheel was designed the ball was much havier probably made of lead and the pockets was much deeper with flat pockets . That will produce a much controlled envirement . The secret is in the arangement of the numbers around the wheel . So what is so speacial about that combination of numbers ? How did the inventor select that combination of numbers ? He did not , chance did . Look at any roulette wheel you will find 4 deflectors on the track , There is one deflector that align with one number ( pocket )on the wheel and the other 3 deflectors will align with the deviders not the pockets . When the ball is spun and land up in a pocket , the number that aligned with the deflector is the distance from where it came to rest , the result . Numbers Equals Distance . But what happen when the wheel is aligned so that 3 pockets align with 3 deflectors ? Well the groupier can spin that wheel as he likes if he aligned only one pocket ,that will bee the distance scatter o no scatter but when 3 pockets is aligned with 3 deflectors he must hit a certain deflector to get that distance . With the new wheels less has changed . Where you can see it in the results is at the last number from where the ball was spun and at the result , you will find that the numbers around either 2 will be the distance from the last number . It's actualy very basic the roulette wheel is a cycloid problem and the most important part of any cycloid is the starting point , starting point of wheel aligned and starting point of the ball . It's all in the alignment . So there you have the secret of the roulettte wheel . Next time I will produce more evidence with zero mark the spot .
Kind regrds Papperclip 8)
for me this is one of the most educational posts here i have been ever read. But I would be more happy if i had read that years ago ....
Thank you Papperclip.
Quote from: paperclip on August 29, 2012, 03:55:32 PM
Hi , For years I've studied the roulette wheel , probability and just random numbers . For roulette , is not as random as you think . The creator of the roulette designed the wheel for one purpose only , that is to ensure that the roulette wheel results is in full controll of the groupier . How ! As far as the single zero roulette wheel concern ..... When the origanal wheel was designed the ball was much havier probably made of lead and the pockets was much deeper with flat pockets . That will produce a much controlled envirement . The secret is in the arangement of the numbers around the wheel . So what is so speacial about that combination of numbers ? How did the inventor select that combination of numbers ? He did not , chance did . Look at any roulette wheel you will find 4 deflectors on the track , There is one deflector that align with one number ( pocket )on the wheel and the other 3 deflectors will align with the deviders not the pockets . When the ball is spun and land up in a pocket , the number that aligned with the deflector is the distance from where it came to rest , the result . Numbers Equals Distance . But what happen when the wheel is aligned so that 3 pockets align with 3 deflectors ? Well the groupier can spin that wheel as he likes if he aligned only one pocket ,that will bee the distance scatter o no scatter but when 3 pockets is aligned with 3 deflectors he must hit a certain deflector to get that distance . With the new wheels less has changed . Where you can see it in the results is at the last number from where the ball was spun and at the result , you will find that the numbers around either 2 will be the distance from the last number . It's actualy very basic the roulette wheel is a cycloid problem and the most important part of any cycloid is the starting point , starting point of wheel aligned and starting point of the ball . It's all in the alignment . So there you have the secret of the roulettte wheel . Next time I will produce more evidence with zero mark the spot .
Kind regrds Papperclip 8)
hi
something of similar I remember I tried long ago even though I was leaving from a different argument.
I think that is very interesting your post, I ask you, though:
the count of the pockets is done by following the rotation of the wheel or the ball of the next spin?
I have tried always following the rotation of the wheel of the next spin and is quite satisfactory (on average 20 to 40 units of gain in 30 minutes of playing).
Beginners lucky? ty
Quote from: undertgun on October 08, 2012, 01:49:35 PM
hi
something of similar I remember I tried long ago even though I was leaving from a different argument.
I think that is very interesting your post, I ask you, though:
the count of the pockets is done by following the rotation of the wheel or the ball of the next spin?
I have tried always following the rotation of the wheel of the next spin and is quite satisfactory (on average 20 to 40 units of gain in 30 minutes of playing).
Beginners lucky? ty
another +60 unit in 30 minutes
Never attempt to outsmart the wheel. The boys in the backroom ( manufactuers of the wheel) catch up sooner rather than later.
Some old Advantage players have learned the hard wayto ADJUST. They were losing their shirts while the younger set knew what was up and acted accordingly.
N.D.
QuoteNever attempt to outsmart the wheel. The boys in the backroom ( manufactuers of the wheel) catch up sooner rather than later.
So we should just give up? After all, no matter how good we are, someone is always better. Or better yet we may as well just mail the casino cash. I mean it saves everyone the time and hassle.
QuoteSome old Advantage players have learned the hard wayto ADJUST. They were losing their shirts while the younger set knew what was up and acted accordingly.
Yes well if an AP thinks ancient VB works these days, and that magical gadgets that use nothing more than an algorithm that mimics VB is true AP, then yes they'll lose their shirts. I know a place where people actually think such technology and AP is good, and they commend themselves on reinventing the wheel. But not all AP is the same.
Quote from: Steve on October 08, 2012, 10:11:55 PM
So we should just give up? After all, no matter how good we are, someone is always better. Or better yet we may as well just mail the casino cash. I mean it saves everyone the time and hassle.
Yes well if an AP thinks ancient VB works these days, and that magical gadgets that use nothing more than an algorithm that mimics VB is true AP, then yes they'll lose their shirts. I know a place where people actually think such technology and AP is good, and they commend themselves on reinventing the wheel. But not all AP is the same.
last bet win ty
Quote from: undertgun on October 09, 2012, 01:47:40 PM
last bet win ty
another winning session in 26 minutes see the file good luck
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on October 08, 2012, 04:44:28 PM
Never attempt to outsmart the wheel. The boys in the backroom ( manufactuers of the wheel) catch up sooner rather than later.
N.D.
Thats a newbies view on roulette. Outsmarting the wheel is the only way ever to beat roulette.
Steve and ReDsQuad,
Just ask " roulette king " how he outsmarted the wheel for the sum of 2.3 million Euro LOSS over a period of 3 months ( I believe it was end of 2010)at the Monte Carlo Casino ( Monaco).
Carefully studying the wheel and then spreading 2, 0000 EURO over 17 numbers during one spin.
Nuff said.
P.S. He lost it fair and square. He did not send them a check.
roulette king>> one of the latest new posters.
Nathan:
1. What you appear to have said is: "some guy lost a lot playing roulette, and he was really really trying hard, so roulette cannot be beaten"
2. Anyone that loses such a large sum is likely to have serious gambling problems, and is not a professional player. A professional player woulds do the math and realize what they were doing wasnt working.
3. Anyone who has lost so much at roulette shouldnt go around calling themselves "roulette king"
4. You cannot beat all roulette by betting the same amount of numbers on all wheels. This is just one point, but I'm sure he did many things wrong
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on October 09, 2012, 04:20:40 PM
Thats a newbies view on roulette. Outsmarting the wheel is the only way ever to beat roulette.
Attention please.
Modern tilt wheels are not so easy to beat.
In fact, the only one losing session, even if small in truth, I got it right on one of those wheels (- 20 unit size).
But even there, with a little adjustment, you go right.
:diablo:
Quote from: undertgun on October 10, 2012, 01:58:47 PM
Attention please.
Modern tilt wheels are not so easy to beat.
as far as I am concerned, tilted wheels are a good thing. if the wheel is not tilted, chances are it maybe harder to beat as there may not any clear, strong dominant drop zones. a non tilted wheel is not something common. any wheel can produce a tilt.
Modern tilt wheels are not so easy to beat.
well not if you use the usual vb methods. scatter is the biggest problem. but I have never found a PRACTICAL VB method that deals with scatter - I mean practical and realistically easy enough. VB gets to the point where you need to do too much to beat modern wheels. So your options are use a better approach, or search more for suitable wheels.
Quote from: Steve on October 10, 2012, 06:19:42 PM
Modern tilt wheels are not so easy to beat.
well not if you use the usual vb methods. scatter is the biggest problem. but I have never found a PRACTICAL VB method that deals with scatter - I mean practical and realistically easy enough. VB gets to the point where you need to do too much to beat modern wheels. So your options are use a better approach, or search more for suitable wheels.
i agree