Hello, my name is Mike and I'm new here! I would like to know if it is possible to make money on online roulette? So I have been sticking around on the fun play a.k.a free play mode and i usually make ''Profit'' :D . In quotes because it is not real money :D I understand that there are no patterns or systems but there are strategies that you can use to play roulette. And if I am having good luck on PfF roullete every day(training every day for few hours, still make mistakes but trying to get over it) Can i go to real play and make some nice cash? Of course not all day every day but lets say once in a while a nice balance . Is it possible? Any feedback or help will be appreciated :)
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Hi everybody! :)
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I'm thinking about playing at 21Nova online casino, if anyone has bad/good experience do share it with me and others!
Sorry for a second post I didn't see a edit button! :(
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pacman, I havent heard anything bad about them. Keep an eye on nolinks.reportcasinos.com (nolinks://nolinks.reportcasinos.com) for any updates. new site for casino reviews (unbiased with no affiliate links)
pm - Homework time needed here. On the 21nova site affilates box it shows strong links to William Hill so my guess is that 21nova is an offshoot of Will Hill?
There are threads about pay out problems with Will Hill on the forums VLS/C.C. so check that out.
The roulette games they show are all animated wheel roulette. They operate via RNG (random number generator) programs. Slot machines also function off RNG. All RNG games are pooled under 1 banner by most gaming authorities = Electronic Gaming Machines.
An audit only has to show players in total have received their correct % payout, not who has lost or won on any particular game.
Once they have paid out the correct %, usually in small amounts, eventually they get all your money. Oh yes some people do win but the majority lose, slots are the classic example.
Live dealer games are classified as random event games and so only the equipment gets checked, such as missing cards from a deck or wonky wheels or loaded dice, no audit is required.
Compare the spins of the two different game types and you should see the difference?
1st up, right here on VLS go up to Search near the Home logo and type in "CHEATING RNG." That will open up plenty of info. from people who've already been down the path you are heading.
This & C.C. forums have heaps of topics including RNG vs LIVE DEALER.
Betvoyager casino no zero RNG roulette has a fair number of players who like the locked in numbers mode and the 50/50 odds on some bets? Note: They have a 10% commission on withdrawals.
Other things to look at is money management, progressions, bank roll staking & last but not least bet strategies and/or systems.
Also beware of casino bonuses as they usually have tough play through conditions, like x35 or x40 the bonus amount before they will pay out. Also it can be tricky when your deposit(s) is/are in the mix too. Some sites artificially restrict the maximum numbers you can cover to give them better odds to wipe out your bonus.
The glitzy promos. make it easy to get into but a lot harder to exit as a winner. The main focus is on promoting slots, because they are the proven money spinner. Most people, around 80%, don't even want to think about their betting, so cards, craps, roulette etc. are only 20% of the casino/venues income. These figures come from problem gambling help groups.
A real must is to read all the terms and conditions (T & Cs) relating to bonuses (sometimes these are in the bonus section and not with the main T & Cs).
As well read all the account conditions re: ID & withdrawal.
It takes patience & discipline with this game, knowing all the rules at least prepares you for informed play. Also the game will be virtually the same next week or next year etc. In fact roulettes been around for over 200 + years.
Also free play RNG has been found to be always easier to win on. The suck in mode. Money play all too often hardens up the game & then takes you down?
Live wheel dealer sites can be checked & free played too. e.g. Dublinbet, Smart Live, Party Casino and many others listed in a forum section.
I gave up RNG 2 years ago. I never once won a session on them. I now only play live dealer, either on line or at my local casino.
Most importantly do your own research and then decide which direction you will head with your betting. All the best.
Regards, Ausguy.
Thank you guys for the reapply! I did some research about RNG on the site and I have been always skeptical, so i may as well first educate myself. I know WH casino and have heard a pretty bunch of bad responses and rating going to them, if this casino(21nova) is asociated with them then i guess I'll better leave it alone. The 21Nova casino I have researched, not that much but found only good reviews, I will have a look more tough and It's wagering requirements are for both deposit and bonus 12x, so if i would deposit 30Euros i get a 320% bonus that is like 110Euros or something like that. But there's another downside, of course always for games like roulette there is more to it on these sites and if i wager for example a total of 1k the withdraw req only calculates like 25% of it so it means that i would have wagered like 250 only. And I know that this stuff is pretty risky and they ''suck you in'' by making it look like anyone could do it. But I'm not that dumb to believe that crap so I want to make sure if its legit and all so I wouldn't lose any money , haven't lost one cent because I havent played for real that much, but once at Golden Palace i scored 80Euros and lost it all :D Because the minimum bet was to be 5$ and I don't like to wager that much, why? To be frank I'm only 16 :D Don't know if it was smart or not to say that but I like to have fun and I would like to learn a opportunity to make some cash, but I'm not straight dumb to escalate everything so quickly that I end up with empty pockets. So yeah.
Anyways somethings really bothering me, how does the losing implement in RNG roulette if I'm betting patiently and with small bets like 1$ and double up to max like 2-4$ max? I know that if you get 10 reds it doesn't mean crap because a wheel is a wheel and it's doing everything on complete random like you have can either be lucky or not. But if I try to avoid this ... bah I'm talking empty now, but I really want to know how this happens, I'm no high rolling badass in the city that makes the large bets, only a small noob :D
PM - 1st up 16 is way too young for any legit. casino account? The minimum age is usually 18.
How are you able to make any casino account if you are underage? Usually no valid ID is no money out at most venues? I hope, as a "newbie", you aren't "geeing us up" on this forum PacMan?
If you are the mods will put your thread to the sword pretty quick.
From what you say and the speed of your reply it's obvious you haven't looked into any RNG forum info.? I gave many good leads in my post. My opening line was "Homework time needed here".
A wise new to the game player wouldn't just glance over my and others writings but take on board a lot of the links and follow them up.
All too often these days too many people want brief to the point answers so they can short cut & fast track their way to instant success. It can take many many months to study the thousands of posts, test ideas, even roulette veterans are still discussing ways to beat the wheel.
I suggest you don't play roulette until you get some better gaming fundamentals in place.
An old saying is relevant here, "You can't put an old head on young shoulders"
RNG vs real live dealer wheels has been discussed heaps on the forums
Reading your last paragraph, you basically need to rethink your whole approach to the game?
RNG roulette & Live dealer roulette are 2 different animals. Just book a few hundred numbers of each game and compare the patterns. Also many players think RNG can at times avoid large payouts by slotting in the occassional bet avoiding spin? This would be linked to the payout %.
On smart live they have 185 just spun results available, Weisbieden ? A German live casino has plenty too.
The final proof is in the real money play. I'll wager that you'll win more often on live play than on RNG. Probably the main barrier for you is that most live wheels have a higher starting minimum?
Thus a fatter bankroll is needed.
For starters a decent bankroll is a must. Without sufficent money to make multi level bets you are doomed to fail before you start. Get some sort of job & save up a bankroll if need be?, even $50 pw is $1,300 in 6 months. In that time space put together & test some valid bet ideas.
Betting $1, then $2, then $4 then stopping on 3 losses & 3 bet levels (progressions) has you at
- $7.
So if you return to your 3 level betting, any win gives you +$1 but it takes 7 wins and no losses just to get back to break even, a tough gig at the best of times. As an example on a table that allows a limit range of $1 to $500 & a simple double up (Martingale method, a well known oldie) you can go to 9 bet levels peaking at a $256 bet. From $1 this totals $511 at L9. There are many other bet progressions that increase the bets more slowly, this is where testing sorts what works best for you.
I know it's a lot to outlay at higher levels just to win a dollar but what if you only ever get to L5 or L6? Perhaps you can also play a nil money bet after say 3 losses to stop a long string of losses? I'm just demonstrating the thinking needed by having a bigger bankroll than your total bet levels. Like maybe $1,100 = double + the L9 maximum.
A player I met a while ago at my local casino has been coming to the casino for 15 years. His bank roll was $150 pw.(ill health younger aged pensioner) He bet the minimum on the roulette of $5 x 2 chips on 2 separate dozens. He only doubled up to $10. On any loss he would then return to $5 bets again.
We worked out over time he'd lost around $85,000 in 15 years of play. He still never changed the way he played even though I showed him that he needed to triple up his bets on any loss?
There are many ideas on progressions and bank rolls, have a look on this forum in the main index page at MONEY MANAGEMENT. There's so much info. everywhere.
You should also test on free play live dealer wheels. RNG testing is not much good if free play is not the same as money play.
Ausguy.
I would play under cover with moms info ;) I know the age requirements :)
And yes, I still have a lot to learn so if I ask the question a second time and don't get it, don't mind me, but if I will start doing something then i will obviously have more research than i have done :) But what does ''Geeing us up'' mean? Sorry, I'm just not familiar with the phrase ''Geeing''. Thanks for the tips! :)
"Geeing up" is Aussie slang = mischievous conduct = playfully annoying conduct.
Doing things that amuses one self at the expense of others genuinely trying to help you but not aware of your true mindset of only having a passing interest in the roulette game.
Sooner rather than later you may become bored with the whole deal and move on to some other interest?
As to RNG roulette have you looked up "cheating RNG" on this site yet?
What do you think about needing a larger bankroll? How would you fund that bankroll?
Do you have a job or independent income? Are you still at school or college? What country do you live in? Is English your primary language?
Playing under the cover of moms info would also mean eventually using her credit/debit card or similar? Her money? What does mom think of your play & plans? Does mom know she may already have a casino account or will one day in the near future? I'd be very suprised if your mom ok'd her 16 year old son to gamble under the legal age?
The more I look at all this, the more I feel this thread is on a road to nowhere.
We shall see as our world continues to turn.
Well I'm at a Vocational school and I don't use my moms money, I use my own but just under the name of her and all. I'm not doing this to amuse myself, never have and I know what its like. And anyways I live in Latvia and no, english is not my primary language. I have told my mom that i like to make money and things that I would be willing to do, but not that I would spend all my money but just some of it. And what are you thinking about the bonuses?
Not like i'm gambling , but I like to know what way is it possible to get some cash!
I searched the rng on these forums, found some threads, most of the casinos that have RNG try to cheat you, am I correct?
Anyways thats all for now i'll see what I will choose either to collect a bit more and then try my luck or go at something other than that but thats almost all for this thread. Thank you for you're help and note that I'm a good guy and I have no intentions to waste someones time or effort ;)
After reading this lot, I think I'll start a topic entitled 'Spring Chicken to Shite-Hawk in one easy lesson!
Agabus
hi man, The game of roulette is a classic and easy to learn casino game. Although you can win a lot of money playing roulette, it is also one of the easiest places for the house to earn a lot of money. When you win, you win big, but be weary to gamble away too much on the roulette tables...................thanks