We do not have to support complicated thinking, technicalities, or advanced courses. Let us simply place area 1-36 in a square(6x6). Most of us probably know, that SIX numbers may fail to come for a long time. So it might not be wise to bet, that all six numbers in any horizontal or vertical group are bound to come soon. FIVE numbers next to each other in one of these groups seems to be a better goal.
I prefer flat betting and spins from real wheels. Testing the system at home with Permanenzen (lists of winning numbers avaialble to all) from Spielbank Wiesbaden, table 3, January 2011: One session per day. Beginning each session with the first spin of the day. The 31 sessions resulted in 334 chips.
Dane
Please can you make an example of playing??thanks
With pleasure, verrengia!
Example: I Google "Spielbank Wiesbaden". In the Permanenzen archive I choose yesterday (29.11.2012), Tisch (table) 3. As usual I start with the first spin.
6, 10, 36, 27, 31, 7, 15, 10, 34, 0, 14, 11, 12, 25, 21, 21, 20, 23, 7, 25, 31, 34, 18, 35, 24...
From now on I bet one chip on 30 (see vertical group). And one chip on 22 (see horizontal group).
...12, 17...
From now on I bet on 16, 22, 29, and 30.
...16. I won. No more bets. My session of the day has ended. At least five numbers next to each other turned up in one of the horizontal groups: 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.
Dane
Quote from: Dane on November 30, 2012, 10:04:10 AM
With pleasure, verrengia!
Example: I Google "Spielbank Wiesbaden". In the Permanenzen archive I choose yesterday (29.11.2012), Tisch (table) 3. As usual I start with the first spin.
6, 10, 36, 27, 31, 7, 15, 10, 34, 0, 14, 11, 12, 25, 21, 21, 20, 23, 7, 25, 31, 34, 18, 35, 24...
From now on I bet one chip on 30 (see vertical group). And one chip on 22 (see horizontal group).
...12, 17...
From now on I bet on 16, 22, 29, and 30.
...16. I won. No more bets. My session of the day has ended. At least five numbers next to each other turned up in one of the horizontal groups: 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.
Dane
Dane
I am very interested in your ideas. I found XOXOX to be great. But I do not understand. Are the red numbers vertical or horizontal?
sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 01, 2012, 01:42:23 AM
Dane
I am very interested in your ideas. I found XOXOX to be great. But I do not understand. Are the red numbers vertical or horizontal?
Sam
Thanks! One, TwoCatSam :clapping:, Three etc.!
In my version the first vertical group = 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
- - - - next - - = 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 12. Etc.
Of course you are free to choose another order.
Dane
Correction:1st HORIZONTAL group = 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Etc.
Dane
In a square with 6X6 spaces there are six horizontal groups and six vertical groups. Each number in the square belongs to one vertical and one horizontal group. In the square you may also find a number of diagonal groups - but to analyze patterns there too would complicate things, I guess.
IF this system passes the test of time, we could try to look for the X0X0X pattern in the 12 groups too.
Dane
Hi Dane;
Quotestart with the first spin.
6, 10, 36, 27, 31, 7, 15, 10, 34, 0, 14, 11, 12, 25, 21, 21, 20, 23, 7, 25, 31, 34, 18, 35, 24...
From now on I bet one chip on 30 (see vertical group). And one chip on 22 (see horizontal group).
I don't understand how you picked 30 and 22 to bet on
iggy
6, 10, 36, 27, 31, 7,
15, 10, 34, 0, 14, 11,
12, 25, 21, 21, 20, 23,
7, 25, 31, 34, 18, 35,
24...
Dane
Is the above the way you create your matrix? I don't see the 30 or 22 either. Work with us!!
Sam
Quote from: Dane on December 01, 2012, 02:01:41 PM
In a square with 6X6 spaces there are six horizontal groups and six vertical groups. Each number in the square belongs to one vertical and one horizontal group. In the square you may also find a number of diagonal groups - but to analyze patterns there too would complicate things, I guess.
IF this system passes the test of time, we could try to look for the X0X0X pattern in the 12 groups too.
Dane
Dane
are you using the Matrix for the european single zero wheel ?
Davemd.
To TwoCatSam: In the classical fairy tale ALICE IN WONDERLAND the Queen ordered som people to change the colour of the flowers in the garden by painting them. I find it very amusing that you (#3) so to speak had painted some numbers red. Please read #2 again! The numbers are THE FIRST SPINS FROM SPIELBANK WIESBADEN, TABLE 3, FROM THE PREVIOUS DAY. The PERMANENZEN (lists of winning numbers) are in the archive of Spielbank Wiesbaden. Free and available to all. Just Google it.
To all: I hope that we are able to count. Simply count and not make it all too complicated. The first six numbers in my square (the 1st horizontal line) are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.
The 2nd horizontal line consists of 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. The 3rd horizontal line: 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, and 18.
ETC.
To iggy: Now it should be clear that I started betting on 22 after the appearance of 20, 21, 23, and 24. If I won, at least five numbers next to each other in the group had turned up.
On the vertical level it should similarly be obvious, that 30 could make us see 6, 12, 18, 24, 30, and 36.
Hope it works well! Dane
In my continued test series with spins from table 3, Spielbank Wiesbaden, I have worked my way through the first four months of 2011. In other words I have completed 119 sessions. In theory I have won 389 chips.
Dane
Hi again Dane;
I think I see what you are doing now. Wait til 4 numbers hit from a horizontal row or a vertical row of 5 grouped together then bet the remaining number.
iggy
I don't think so, iggy, but I'm afraid to ask. Next he may tell my about Mary's Frankenstein Monster!!
:sarcastic:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 02, 2012, 05:46:42 PM
I don't think so, iggy, but I'm afraid to ask. Next he may tell my about Mary's Frankenstein Monster!!
:sarcastic:
Now I know who you are: The smiling cat from the fairy tale Alice in Wonderland! Invisible from time to time!
To iggy and you:The first spins from yesterday´s permanence (table 3, 02.12.2012, Spielbank Wiesbaden).
29, 24, 34, 15, 25, 30, 0, 32, 10, 34, 5, 25, 10, 12, 19, 11, 28, 27, 16, 13, 26.
My GOAL is still at least five numbers next to each other on the horizontal or vertical level.
After 27 we see 25 27 28 29 30. Of course we start betteing on 26!
...
Just after 16 we see 10
16
28
34
SO we start betting on
22 too! Dane
Would your grid look like the attached Excel sheet?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 03, 2012, 01:34:20 PM
Would your grid look like the attached Excel sheet?
NO! WE DO NOT HAVE TO SUPPORT :scratch_ones_head:COMPLICATED THINKING!
Better take a look at this: 1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30
31 32 33 34 35 36
Dane
Like this:
Thanks. I'll do some testing now!
Sam
Quote from: Dane on November 30, 2012, 10:04:10 AM
With pleasure, verrengia!
Example: I Google "Spielbank Wiesbaden". In the Permanenzen archive I choose yesterday (29.11.2012), Tisch (table) 3. As usual I start with the first spin.
6, 10, 36, 27, 31, 7, 15, 10, 34, 0, 14, 11, 12, 25, 21, 21, 20, 23, 7, 25, 31, 34, 18, 35, 24...
From now on I bet one chip on 30 (see vertical group). And one chip on 22 (see horizontal group).
...12, 17...
From now on I bet on 16, 22, 29, and 30.
...16. I won. No more bets. My session of the day has ended. At least five numbers next to each other turned up in one of the horizontal groups: 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.
Dane
From the sample calculate:
15+10= 25
14+11=25
11+12=23
20+23=43=7
Learn to calculate, and start to win :thumbsup:
Thanks, O, but I'll stick with Dane. His ideas work.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 04, 2012, 12:58:32 AM
Thanks, O, but I'll stick with Dane. His ideas work.
"One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. All good children go to Heaven". The Beatles.
We are all able to count now, I suppose. Now we must learn to :scratch_ones_head: subtract. Learn to subtract, and start to win :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Only some of my ideas seem to work for some time.
A Bird in the Hand is Better than Two in the Bush.
Dane
After exactly six months (178 sessions or hits): 522 chips.
Session 185-203 (07.07.2011 - 25.07.2011, Spielbank Wiesbaden, table 3 brought me back to square one. Sorry
Repeaters dominate from time to time. Maybe we cannot afford to ignore this simple fact. So my new goal is at least five numbers in a row without any repeat. OR AT LEAST THREE REPEATED NUMBERS IN A ROW.
The ten sessions from 07.07.2011 to 16.07.2011, table 3 as usual, resulted in + 178 chips.
According to my latest testing this is even better: AT LEAST FOUR "oners" in a row OR
AT LEAST FOUR repeated numbers in a row.
I had a bad day with the previous version of my strategy on 12.06.2011 (table 3 Spielbank Wiesbaden). In theory I lost 190 chips.
I lost only 14 chips with the new version.
07.07.2011-25.07.2011 resulted in + 93 chips with the previous version.
And in +137 chips with the present version.
Quote from: Dane on March 11, 2013, 11:49:55 AM
I had a bad day with the previous version of my strategy on 12.06.2011 (table 3 Spielbank Wiesbaden). In theory I lost 190 chips.
I lost only 14 chips with the new version.
07.07.2011-25.07.2011 resulted in + 93 chips with the previous version.
And in +137 chips with the present version.
Flat betting?
And now my new goal is at least FIVE "oners" in a row or at least FIVE repeated numbers in a row.
In the first horizontal group: 1, 2, 3, 4,5 or 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. As the patient reader might have noticed, there are only two combinations now there. And with 12 groups we should be able to see the difference.
The patient reader might examine the permanence from 05.02.2011. Good luck!
Quote from: Dane on March 16, 2013, 05:34:48 AM
And now my new goal is at least FIVE "oners" in a row or at least FIVE repeated numbers in a row.
In the first horizontal group: 1, 2, 3, 4,5 or 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. As the patient reader might have noticed, there are only two combinations now there. And with 12 groups we should be able to see the difference.
The patient reader might examine the permanence from 05.02.2011. Good luck!
Mate you ideas make sense but you don't explain very clearly.
So let me give you an example.
The first 5 spins are....
5
21
33
25
6
So no we have 5 oners, as you say.
So we now bet on 31 numbers?
Can you show a session to explain exactly what you are doing and then I might contribute more effectively.
Cher
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Quote from: Dermo on March 17, 2013, 03:30:07 AM
Mate you ideas make sense but you don't explain very clearly.
So let me give you an example.
The first 5 spins are....
5
21
33
25
6
So no we have 5 oners, as you say.
So we now bet on 31 numbers?
Can you show a session to explain exactly what you are doing and then I might contribute more effectively.
Cher
D
Maharishi:"Our inability to see clearly is not due to some inadequate arrangement of the objects".
::) Of course I am not Maharishi, and I might not have not been very clearly. No, we do not bet on 31 numbers.
The FINAL GOAL of the session is at least five in a row IN THE GRID(6x6). On the horizontal or vertical level. For example 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Or 6, 12, 18, 24, 30.
In my next post I´ll try to explain exactly what I am doing in one session.
Cheers
Dane
In my next post I´ll try
The first spins from 08.01.2011, table 3, Spielbank Wiesbaden. When any number comes for the second time, I´ll write "(X"):
4, 30, 21, 12, 16, 17, 7, 30 (X), 6, 3, 29, 25, 14, 6, 23, 33, 17 (X), 13, 16 (X), 9, 12 (X), 32, 8, 2, 25 (X), 18, 10, 1, 13 (X), 3 (X), 29 (X), 6 (X), 12, 14 (X), 23 (X), 15, 31, 0 (Zero is outside my box, square or grid), 18 (X), 22, 7 (X), 28, 19, 14, 9, 31 (X), 10 (X), 6, 36, 25, 2 (X), 19 (X).
1-6 belongs to the first upper line. 7-12 belongs to the next horizontal line. Etc.
When 10 has come, I am able to see four "oners" in a row: 7, 8, 9, 10. So I start betting 11.
After the next spin (1) I am able to see 1, 2, 3, 4. So I add 5 to my betting. Two spins later I must leave 5, because 3 has repeated itself.
A few spins later 15 has appeared for the first time. 13, 14, 17 are all repeaters. So I add 15 to my betting.
After the second appearance of 7 I must leave 11.
Soon 19 comes for the first time. Please start focusing of the vertical group. Soon 31 comes again. It means that 7, 13, 25,, 31 are repeaters.
So I add 19 to my betting.
In the final spin of this session 19 comes. At least five repeaters in a row: 7, 13, 19, 25, 31. No more bets, thank you :rtfm:
Thanks, I'll have a look at this during the week when I have time.
I'm still a bit confused, you say 4 oners in a row, don't you mean 5?
For example if 7, 8, 9, 11 and 12 show up then you be on 10, and if any of the 5 repeat you stop betting on 10.
Is there a time when you might start betting on 10 again?
How many repeaters need to be in a row before you bet for the newcomer to repeat?
I admit that several versions might be confusing.
Another member involved in testing mailed me and suggested this:
At least FOUR "oners" in a row/at least FIVE repeated numbers in a row.
Who knows. This might be the best version so far.
Quote from: Dermo on March 17, 2013, 01:17:04 PM
I'm still a bit confused, you say 4 oners in a row, don't you mean 5?
For example if 7, 8, 9, 11 and 12 show up then you be on 10, and if any of the 5 repeat you stop betting on 10.
Is there a time when you might start betting on 10 again?
How many repeaters need to be in a row before you bet for the newcomer to repeat?
Yes, you might start betting on 10 again, if it has come one time, and if 7, 8, 9, 11 or 8, 9, 11, 12 are repeaters. We are betting, if we may reach the goal in the very next spin. In this case: At least five repeaters in a row. Just before the final goal we must have at least four repeaters in the group. It might be one and three or it might be two in a row to the left and two to the right in a row. Or four in a row.
If you keep an eye on the vertical group too, 10 might be your number again :thumbsup:.
Good luck!
Quote from: Dane on March 18, 2013, 04:17:07 AM
I admit that several versions might be confusing.
Another member involved in testing mailed me and suggested this:
At least FOUR "oners" in a row/at least FIVE repeated numbers in a row.
Who knows. This might be the best version so far.
The first days (sessions) of 2011, table 3:
"FIVE/FIVE" "FOUR/FIVE"
1. +23 +31
2. +34 +27
3. +28 +26
4. +11 +25
5. - 5 +17
6. +11 - 15
7. +29 +27
8. - 2 - 4
9. - 55 +20
10. 0 +30
11. - 34 +14
12. - 87 +12
13. + 6 +34
14. - 47 + 6
15. - 80 - 5
16. +30 +32
17. - 1 - 7
18. - 41 -11
19. +30 - 7
20. + 8 +15
Now I decided to concentrate on "FOUR/FIVE". The results from the last days of January: -16+28+10+30+27-43-1+2-18-31-6.
January 2011: 249 units. :smile:
Quote from: Dane on March 19, 2013, 11:30:14 AM
The first days (sessions) of 2011, table 3:
"FIVE/FIVE" "FOUR/FIVE"
1. +23 +31
2. +34 +27
3. +28 +26
4. +11 +25
5. - 5 +17
6. +11 - 15
7. +29 +27
8. - 2 - 4
9. - 55 +20
10. 0 +30
11. - 34 +14
12. - 87 +12
13. + 6 +34
14. - 47 + 6
15. - 80 - 5
16. +30 +32
17. - 1 - 7
18. - 41 -11
19. +30 - 7
20. + 8 +15
Now I decided to concentrate on "FOUR/FIVE". The results from the last days of January: -16+28+10+30+27-43-1+2-18-31-6.
January 2011: 249 units. :smile:
Dude you keep changing things as another does better,
The fact is sometimes one method will do better than the other and sometimes the other will do better.
I have done some testing and I have noticed that when you have 3 numbers on one line vertical or horizontal bet the other 3 numbers.
I have seen it going up to betting on 14 numbers but it seems to at least break even over the long run and that's the best you can hope for.
You cannot win at roulette in the long run with just flatbetting you need bankroll management too.
What I done then is added some bank roll management by increasing and lowering the base unit value and I am seeing it making 100-150 units per 60 spins.
That's about 100-150 base units a per hour at the casino.
Stop changing your system, pick one and add some BR management. Looks like you have a solid method of play mate.
My 2 cents
Cheers
Quote from: Dermo on March 20, 2013, 05:30:15 AM
Dude you keep changing things as another does better,
The fact is sometimes one method will do better than the other and sometimes the other will do better.
I have done some testing and I have noticed that when you have 3 numbers on one line vertical or horizontal bet the other 3 numbers.
I have seen it going up to betting on 14 numbers but it seems to at least break even over the long run and that's the best you can hope for.
You cannot win at roulette in the long run with just flatbetting you need bankroll management too.
What I done then is added some bank roll management by increasing and lowering the base unit value and I am seeing it making 100-150 units per 60 spins.
That's about 100-150 base units a per hour at the casino.
Stop changing your system, pick one and add some BR management. Looks like you have a solid method of play mate.
My 2 cents
Cheers
I´ll pick this one, thank you!! Yes, it seems to be solid.. I´ll continue testing this solid one with flat betting. Maybe I cannot win in the long run :boredom:; but I am curious to see how long it´ll take me. Slow and steady wins the race, as they say :smile:
Quote from: Dane on March 20, 2013, 10:30:06 AM
I´ll pick this one, thank you!! Yes, it seems to be solid.. I´ll continue testing this solid one with flat betting. Maybe I cannot win in the long run :boredom:; but I am curious to see how long it´ll take me. Slow and steady wins the race, as they say :smile:
Totally agree, all you need is something that is not very volatile and then apply some maths to it, hey presto your a winner :yahoo:
Quote from: Dane on March 19, 2013, 11:30:14 AM
The first days (sessions) of 2011, table 3:
"FIVE/FIVE" "FOUR/FIVE"
1. +23 +31
2. +34 +27
3. +28 +26
4. +11 +25
5. - 5 +17
6. +11 - 15
7. +29 +27
8. - 2 - 4
9. - 55 +20
10. 0 +30
11. - 34 +14
12. - 87 +12
13. + 6 +34
14. - 47 + 6
15. - 80 - 5
16. +30 +32
17. - 1 - 7
18. - 41 -11
19. +30 - 7
20. + 8 +15
Now I decided to concentrate on "FOUR/FIVE". The results from the last days of January: -16+28+10+30+27-43-1+2-18-31-6.
January 2011: 249 units. :smile:
February: -128
March :+234. Total: +355 units.
The other man involved in serious testing went through the first five months of 2012 ( 150 sessions from table 3):
176+282-2-29+155 = 582. Well begun is half done!
Just after exactly seven months (209 hits or sessions): +1041 units.
Quote from: Orochi on December 03, 2012, 08:27:06 PM
From the sample calculate:
15+10= 25
14+11=25
11+12=23
20+23=43=7
Learn to calculate, and start to win :thumbsup:
Orochi,
Reminded me of the Decoding Roulette thread, which you also started.
I notice that your calculations all won within 6 spins, therefore if we want to put some rules to this example from post # 20 would these be correct ?
1) If two consecutive spins are from the same decade (have same first digit 0,1,2,3)
2) Play the resulting sum of these numbers for X Spins
(say 6 spins or maximum of 35 spins)
15+10=25 Won 6 spins later
14+11=25 Won 2 spins later
11+12=23 Won 5 spins later
3) If the resulting sum is higher than 36, then calculate the root sum and play for X Spins
4) If multiple consecutive spins appear, each from the same decade, then play the resulting sum EACH two number group for X Spins
25+21=46=10=1 Complete Loss within next 36 spins
21+21=42=6 Won 14 spins later
21+20=41=5 Won 19 spins later
20+23=43=7 Won on next spin
Can you explain in more detail how to use this ?
Also noticed that European wheel gaps from pocket 20 to pocket 23 = 7 gaps
And from pocket 20 to pocket 7 = 7 gaps
Regards,