Unfortunately I didnt have much money to gamble with so I couldnt follow it through till the end as you have to double your money continuously and I panicked here are the details
Follow the instructions to the letter. Always keep your opening bet as small as possible
Select a colour – red or black. It doesn't matter which. For the purpose of this explanation lets say you chose Red
Place the smallest bet the table will allow. This is usually £1
If the ball lands on Black double your bet to £2, keeping your money on Red.
Double your bet each time you lose until the ball lands on Red.
Each time you lose, double up on your next bet.
Each time you win STOP increasing your stack and go back to step 1.
Start with £1 bets only.
Hi mate, [smiley=welcome/welcome.gif]
The system you describe is named "The Martingale"; sadly it is not effective as no bank can resist dispersion of hits at coming from largest desviations the bigger the sample becomes.
Thanks for making that first posting. We all have to interact with what we have, that is the way to help each other. You post something, get feeback, and that feedback makes grounds to something else. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
You can learn more about the martingale or "double-up" system here:
nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system) (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system))
Best regards.
Victor
Quote from: VLSroulette on August 25, 2008, 02:56:59 PM
Hi mate, [smiley=welcome/welcome.gif]
The system you describe is named "The Martingale"; sadly it is not effective as no bank can resist dispersion of hits at coming from largest desviations the bigger the sample becomes.
Thanks for making that first posting. We all have to interact with what we have, that is the way to help each other. You post something, get feeback, and that feedback makes grounds to something else. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
You can learn more about the martingale or "double-up" system here:
nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system) (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system))
Best regards.
Victor
Hi Many thanks for your response I guess like anything if it seems to good to be true it probably is, will have a read of that link
probably the best winning system ive seen easy to perform, just sucks the casinos placed countermeasures......which was the point of my post, any winning system the casino will put in measures to stop it being played, if they cant they just ban you lol.....but thats easy to get around you just hire people to play for you
yes keep doubling your bets, it's a sure fire winner. do it before the casinos change the rules. the casinos are sure to be brought down now, now that the secret is out.
ps anyone who thinks the casino's bet limits is the problem with this is a fool who has never played real roulette at a real casino. I see this forum has really gotten far......
well it would be dependent on finances obviously alot of people have seen 12+ red/black in a row and that would make big big losses......probably not my best words saying its the best system before the counter measures but its the only one i have seen that blatantly wins from the start
Quote from: Jish on March 24, 2010, 03:19:10 PM
well it would be dependent on finances obviously alot of people have seen 12+ red/black in a row and that would make big big losses......probably not my best words saying its the best system before the counter measures but its the only one I have seen that blatantly wins from the start
............. no, it doesn't. if you research the topic (try wikipedia) you will come to understand that players using the Martingale pose no threat to a casino (nor does any system that progresses bets in any way, when there is a negative expectation with every single bet), and table limits are not specifically designed to prevent players from using a Martingale strategy. at any rate, where I play the maximum bets are quite high and when you lose one bet after another and think you can just keep escalating your bets till you win, the reality is you will quit betting way before you reach the maximum bet when you are throwing real money at the table and losing your shirt. no one in their right mind is going to risk thousands of dollars to win back a tiny profit.
Quote from: simon on March 25, 2010, 12:16:21 AM
............. no, it doesn't. if you research the topic (try wikipedia) you will come to understand that players using the Martingale pose no threat to a casino (nor does any system that progresses bets in any way, when there is a negative expectation with every single bet), and table limits are not specifically designed to prevent players from using a Martingale strategy. at any rate, where I play the maximum bets are quite high and when you lose one bet after another and think you can just keep escalating your bets till you win, the reality is you will quit betting way before you reach the maximum bet when you are throwing real money at the table and losing your shirt. no one in their right mind is going to risk thousands of dollars to win back a tiny profit.
Well said.
look if you were to start with a $2.50 bet:
1} $2.50
2} $5.00
3} $10.00
4} $20.00
5} $40.00
6} $80.00
7} $160.00
8} $320.00
9} $640.00
10} $1280.00
11} $2560.00
12} $5120.00
Thats only 12 in a row and at this point if this bet loses you will have lost $10237.50. and your next bet would then be (bet 13) $10240.00 if that wins you have made a total profit of $2.50 WOW that seems like a good idea.... NOT
I see 18 of a single color all the time at the casino its quite common. Bet 18 would be worth $327,680.00 if you started with a $2.50 bet and same result only winning $2.50 after recovering losses.
(totally off roulette but pretty cool and about doubling)
Ask you Boss to pay you monthly from now on. Tell him you want only $0.01 per day doubling ever day for the month. If he says yes you'll be very wealthy lol. GO WORK IT OUT
even if a color doesn't come in that many times in a row, you could start switching your bet out of frustration to the other color or to one of the other even chances and just get it wrong every time and/or hit zeroes in between, especially at a double zeroe wheel I have seen zeroes and double zeroes hit together several times in a row. there always comes the day the gambling gods are against you and anything and everything you try goes wrong and you get out of control with your bets trying to get it back and leave with nothing and lose all previous profits.
Evolution and De-Evolution of a Roulette Forum:
1) People discover systems that have been around forever.
2) People try and find out that the systems that have been around forever don't work.
3) People invent hundreds more, original systems, and hundreds of systems are offered for sale on the Internet.
4) Most of these systems eventually become accessible and available for free, due to widespread dissemination of these systems on the Internet.
5) People discover that the hundreds of new and original systems also do not work, and people who have been trying to to beat the game for 20 years or more go their way, and newbies come around and start again at Step 1.
Simon, obviously you are frustrated.
First off, Roulette is beatable. A handful of people make a great living this way.
Moreover, what is wrong with creating systems? Forums are supposed to help both the newcomer and the journeyman bettor become better players. Systems give forum members a common topic and draw each other closer (and hopefully closer to the Holy Grail).
We need forums, bettors IMO cannot make it without help from knowledgeble gamblers.
I look forward to hearing stories about how one of the members here "broke the Roulette table" and the casino had to close the game.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on March 25, 2010, 01:04:13 PM
First off, Roulette is beatable. A handful of people make a great living this way.
............ oh, is that a fact? but you have absolutely no proof to back that statement,
do you.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000
We need forums, bettors IMO cannot make it without help from knowledgeble gamblers.
The problem is, no one wants to accept the truth, in fact they still deny it even when evidence is presented. If one were to read around you would find players boasting of "30 years casino experience", as if, for some reason, their words should carry weight. However, from their posts it is evident that they have wasted these 30 glorious years of their lives because they have quite obviously learned nothing at all. Once a player becomes au fait with maths, nothing else matters and you can write off what you know won't work and spend more time on practical ideas that you think
could work. Right now it's very much a case of the blind leading the blinder.
Systems are fine for recreational play and staking money that you can afford to lose/aren't bothered about losing. It becomes irksome, however, when every other person claims to have winning systems; yet they serially avoid challenges and even become hostile when engaged in dialogue. Yeah, we're veritably awash with holy grail holders.
by the way easytiger you started at 2.50 and were down 10K+ after a bad run of losing bets. where I play the minimum bet is $10 so you can imagine where you would be running a martingale and losing starting at $10, unless you are there at some ungodly hour you might find a minimum $5 table, but starting at $5 you would be required to make a 40K+ bet after a prolonged series of losses, and the sum total of losses becomes ridiculous.
Quote from: fender1000 on April 04, 2010, 12:22:44 PM
The best street on the table is street 10 numbers 28,29,30. They average 3 hits in every 50 spin sequence. And can hit as many as 8 or 9 times in 50 spins. Especially if they only hit once or twice in the previous 50 spins. Roulette is really about percentages more than chance.
fender1000 I think that you should hold back on the lectures and world-beater attitude since you're truly not in a position to offer any player any kind of advice. I believe you posted the above in another thread, which shows that you lack experience of playing casino games and also lack the understanding of very basic casino maths. Read your own quote again and ask yourself "If this were true, why aren't we all millionaires?" Because if it were true, which it isn't, you sure as hell wouldn't be the only person to have found out. To me you sound like a fairly new player and are yet to grasp what it is you're playing against.
You have been playing it for 10 years and you aren't a millionaire yet? You should be making a million a year. If you can, why not? There is no logical reason. Even after the first few months you'd have a sufficient bankroll to generate potentially exponetial winnings over pretty much an unlimited duration of time. THAT is how you compound the growth of your capital. If it works, then of course you can get rich quick, it's an economic certainty. In fact, there is something wrong if you don't.
Your observation of the 28,29,30 street is erroneous and suggests you lack the knowledge to beat a random process that carries a negative expectancy. If it were true, I would simply play that street over and over with a progression and within 6 months I'd have a million, even give or take occasional losses.
Tomorrow I will look at the system you posted and see if it can be coded for testing. If it can I will run the tests and compare the result to random picks. You'll find there's no difference because there is no advantage to be gained in what you're doing.
What is there to misunderstand? The quote is clear as day and demonstrates that you are probably a very new player with limited experience. When I have time I will look into coding your systems and they will all be found to lose at at rate of approx. 2.7p for ever £1 wagered. Failing that I will explain to the forum in layman's terms why you actually haven't been winning for the last 10 years and why members should start to address parts of the game which are seldom discussed. You'll have to forgive my bluntness, you don't strike me as a professional player and I simply suspect that you aren't.
If your system is playable by anyone who learns it, then it is mechanical.
If it is mechanical, it can be coded (win targets and stop loss rules included).
Posting the results of a couple hundred spins or watching you play for a week is of no relevance. It doesn't show the system's long-term performance especially when a staking plan/progression is involved. (people would be interested in a system that would work for a lifetime, not for a week)
A verifiable tests of hundreds of thousands of spins however does.
I (too) can write a simulation to test any of your systems, just post the rules. I'll post the results along with the simulation (so people can test it on their own actuals if they want).
I will bet you as much as you want that it will fail. :)
Let me rephrase:
The way you operate the strategy is based on rules, correct?
These rules would include things like when to bet, how much to bet, when not to bet, when to take profit and stop the session, when to cut losses, etc. etc. etc.
The system along with the way you operate it can be coded. Understand?
Just post every single rule and I'll let the simulation play exactly as YOU would play.
(Unless of course you don't use any such rules and act on gut feeling, in which case I'd ask you how exactly do you plan to teach THAT to people.)
Your observation of the 28,29,30 street is erroneous>>>
Dangerman, if you look closely, on all tables the frets surrounding those 3 numbers are slightly higher than all the other frets. The pockets are also a little deeper. These 3 numbers are golden and I'm really pissed at Fender for giving it away. The casinos will now change the wheels and we're screwed. Thanks a lot, Dangerman. ;) ;) ;) ;)