Some of you may have seen this elsewhere and if it is already posted here, just delete this.
This is a plan by system-seller Osvald Marchoni. He passed it out for free. He wanted you to buy his bet selection method for it. So, does he play the sleepers, hoping they wake up? Play the hottest 3 streets for a sure kill? Play 9 numbers that came up once out of 24 spins and look for a few repeats? Who knows, who cares? Pick your own method. Some folks actually took it to the casino and started on the first 9 numbers and everytime there was a win, profit or not, they moved one street to the right. Get to #36 and restart 1-9 again.
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The Marchoni basic progression (without number selection)
you may distribute it for free only as it is presented here.
nolinks://nolinks.systems-roulette.com (nolinks://nolinks.systems-roulette.com)
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Both number selection and money management are the key to
success at roulette, here are one of my keys. I recommend
you reading and giving it a "paper try", however I would
not use it as is without a very good number selection
method such as the Matricial systems.
I am going to explain a system or progression method to
play 9 numbers (It can be played with six, seven or eight
numbers also), but is with 9 numbers like I to play it.
For example I have chose numbers 1 to 9.:
1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9
1...1...1...1...1...1...1...1...1
1 chip bet on each number 1 thru 9: if I win, I will start
again. If I lose, then I will follow the next step :
2... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1
Two chips on the first number and 8 chips on the other
8 numbers. If I win, then I need to count my chips, if my
balance is positive I start over again with nine chips,
1 on each 9 numbers:
1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1
If I have less chips than I started with, I will continue
with the progression, until I reach a profit.
2... 2... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1 if lost then
2... 2... 2... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1 if lost then
2... 2... 2... 2... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1 and so on until
reaching a profit. When you finish the 2s, bet 3s, then 4s
and so on.
2... 2... 2... 2... 2... 2... 2... 2... 2
3... 2... 2... 2... 2... 2... 2... 2... 2 Etc.
Continue playing until you gain whatever profit you want
(however I don't recommend to being greedy, just try to
win 30 to 60 chips per session).
Sometimes, the risk exposure is high, but, of course, profitable.
I have decided to give you the following example.
For my example, I have chosen the Hamburg Casino spins on the table
number 1: The 84 first spins of the wheel.
The spins, were as follows
26-34-3-34-8-20-14-36-33-0-26-24-31-20-20-30-3-27-3-11-17-33-
15-27-19-31-33-5-3-18-5-18-23-21-2-26-12-11-2-35-4-28-
2-4-27-20-18-0-14-24-19-28-15-21-2-18-8-16-16-33-20-34-18-12
3-26-29-24-15-36-34-25-26-36-17-30-22-0-23-10-34-6-12-28 ...
We are going to play all the numbers of the roulette wheel except
the 0. In order to play all the numbers, I have divided them into
four groups of 9 numbers in each group in the following order:
first group from 1 to 9,
second group: from 10 to 18,
third group :19 to 27,
fourth group from 28 to 36,
The results were the following ,
From 1 to 9: +52; in 48 spins; max down -238 chips
From 10 to 18: +73; in 84 spins; max down -291 chips
From 19 to 27: +98; in 14 spins: max down -42 chips
From 28 to 36: +53; in 9 spins ; max down -30 chips!
The Maximum amount of Chips that I have placed on the table is:
6... 5... 5... 5... 5... 5... 5... 5... 5
About the detailed example, I must clarify some things:
#1 These numbers were taken all together, because as important
as it is to have a good system, it also must be easy to play,
and to put nine bets in different numbers located throughout
the table is not easy for 1 person. It is necessary to consider
that you have to count the chips, and all together it takes
time that is not always available.
#2 The total outlay can get to be high, but if you are really
trying to win in a Casino it is necessary to fight with a large
bankroll, and one of the rules is to have an amount of chips that
allows you to make your system work!
In order to play relaxed with this system it is necessary to have
at least 800 chips (or more), although we will seldom use them.
Please follow this advice. I play to gain 50-100 units per session,
of 10 dollars each. The way I played the previous example was to
play each group until obtaining more than 50 chips.
#3 Also a way to alleviate the amount of risk is that when we
are losing a lot and we have just won, but we are not back to a
profit, but the loss is lesser -10 chips, I restart the whole thing.
This I have not done it in the previous example so as not to complicate
the verification, but I have had several occasions in which I had made
it, since I have remained in even when-2 and -9 losses and have
continued the groups, still being high the positions.
#4 The combination of the nine numbers can be chosen in any desired
way. In my bet selection systems I provide you the best way to find
the numbers, however with my systems based on bet selection you
seldom need a progression.
#5 With this system I have only lost once since January of 1989,
at the Casino of Estoril, and played the following numbers
9-12-15-18-21-24-27-30 and 33. During the years I remembered that
game, and the spins were incredible.
#6 Sometimes it is preferable to cash out when just a few chips
are won, after trying several times to obtain your objectives
and realizing that there is no way...(playing too much time will
confuse you or make you not follow the rules exactally). Tomorrow
will go better!... He who believes that to be professional player
is easy is mistaken... But that is another story... I wait for
your commentaries.
Regards,
OSVALD MARCHONI © 2004 COPYRIGHT
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amazing atila system come here today just lost 500 units with it today and now come to forum and saw it posted here and thats the last thing i wanted to see :'( :'( :'(
Sorry to hear that you lost 500 units, benfica. I hope this wasn't real money. Any system must tested and tested before parting with real cash. 100 sessions at least.
If played with the right tweaks and variations, however, and ATILA-style approach can be very successful.
See these posts for some tips:
The "ATILA" Money Management. nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/the-atila-money-management/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/the-atila-money-management/)
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/test-results-atila-plus-vls'-approach/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/test-results-atila-plus-vls'-approach/)
The original ATILA sucks though, and should be avoided at all costs.
If those nine numbers aren't hitting to usual expectations, you'll soon go bust and lose the whole 500 units. And this will happen more often than you'd think.
I'd wager that the "lost once since January of 1989" claim is complete BS.
CD
Ye, it looks like Atila. Play Atila progression on 6 lines only, but differently than adviced. If you lose rise 1 unit on that number which came last, so you will not bet high on sleepers, only on that one which are active.
Hermes
Let me tell you that the bet I posted I tried extensively using RX on actuals. That includes many 00 files from Jim Ferr's site as well as Hamburg.
As long as you have the $$$ to play with, it worked. It never failed. And I never went anywhere near the table limits. Not even 1/4 of the way to the table limits. But as I said, You gotta have the bucks to play it as well as the nerve to play it.
Obviously, some bet placement selections are better than others in a short game where your goal is modest - such as 100 units.
Tale,
can you post the rx code?
Thnx
Ice
Hi All,
Here is Atila progression applied on the Lines (Double streets) instead of 9 numbers.
nolinks://momupload.com/files/105370/PROGRESI_N_DE_ATILA_(lines).doc.html (nolinks://momupload.com/files/105370/PROGRESI_N_DE_ATILA_(lines).doc.html)
Here is The Alternating system (Atila) applied on the Dozens :
nolinks://nolinks.foros-ruleta.com/pdf/Los_Mensajes_de_Atila_-_Sistema_Alternativo.pdf (nolinks://nolinks.foros-ruleta.com/pdf/Los_Mensajes_de_Atila_-_Sistema_Alternativo.pdf)
Here is Messages from Atila :
nolinks://nolinks.foros-ruleta.com/pdf/Los_Mensajes_de_Atila_-_Jugador_Profesional.pdf (nolinks://nolinks.foros-ruleta.com/pdf/Los_Mensajes_de_Atila_-_Jugador_Profesional.pdf)
Cheers,
JLP.-
I normally use RX manually.
I do not recall this ever being RX'd. If it was, it would have been done by St0rm0r and he seemed to have disappeared off the face of the earth so I cannot ask him if it was ever done.
For short-term wins, grab an actual file that has at least 60-75 spins in it. Run off the first 20. Place your chips on the 3 most appearing streets and play accordingly. If a "hot" street gets superseded by another by 3 or more spins, move the least hit line of bets to that street.
Of course always re-start back to one unit after a win that puts you in profit. And any time you do, recheck bet selection.
It doesn't take long to get 100 units on most files.
You may just wish to pick the most appearing street per dozen.
Bet selection is endless. Experiment. And when you do, you will see what I mean by having a large bankroll.
In real life, if you are struggling at a table, once you have gotten out of the hole -QUIT - that table is not for you, at least not with that bet.
Have fun.
Thank you Tale!
Ice
chip bet on each number 1 thru 9: if I win, I will start
again. If I lose, then I will follow the next step :
2... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1 - is this right , do you mean 2 chips on the first number and 1 on the other 8 numbers? I am trying to figure out whats happening here..
Two chips on the first number and 8 chips on the other
8 numbers. If I win, then I need to count my chips, if my
balance is positive I start over again with nine chips,
1 on each 9 numbers:
1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1
Forgive me if i am wrong but should this say 2 chips on the first number and 1 chip on the other 8 ? .
Quote from: Kingspin on August 30, 2008, 09:23:08 AM
chip bet on each number 1 thru 9: if I win, I will start
again. If I lose, then I will follow the next step :
2... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1 - is this right , do you mean 2 chips on the first number and 1 on the other 8 numbers? I am trying to figure out whats happening here..
Two chips on the first number and 8 chips on the other
8 numbers. If I win, then I need to count my chips, if my
balance is positive I start over again with nine chips,
1 on each 9 numbers:
1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1... 1
Forgive me if I am wrong but should this say 2 chips on the first number and 1 chip on the other 8 ? .
Hi Kingspin,
I think the original text is right.
You begin again with 1 unit chip on all 9 numbers after a positive balance.
You only add new chips when gone losing.
Also when you win and you are for example :
2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 ---> here you win
now in the next bet you substract 1 unit so is :
2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Add 1 unit when lose , substract 1 unit when win.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Hi! Don't want to insult anyone, but this is one of the most stupidest and suicidal systems I've ever played. Tonight I lost about 800 units in only 36 spins playing this GEM for a real money on a real table. Great luck in whole s*** is that I stopped on time and finally with a bit of patience, luck, another strategy and deep pocket succesfully recovered playing on even/chances. Just looking at the numbers and realising that if I continued to play more this absolutely unique and awesome 9-number system I would lost thousands of units during only 100 spins without any chance to recover anytime. So, in brief, I started with 9 numbers from 1-9 and here is what I got - the table numbers from this fatal 36 spins session: 15, 33, 0, 31, 21, 13, 34, 32, 13, 6 (bingo!), 31, 15, 10, 18, 25, 36, 19, 24, 21, 14, 16, 36, 0, 35, 11, 8 (bingo!!), 35, 28, 36, 20, 17, 19, 14, 36, 34, 36, (stop). Advise: Don't play this one even for the fun.
Or don't play the SAME 9 numbers........ :o :o :o
Playing the original Atila with 9 random numbers is risky.You have to watch the wheel and see what the dealer is doing-basically play what's in front of you ! and then this can be a productive way of betting.
Track for 1/2 an hour then play.
fitzthecat
Your attitude leaves much to be desired.
Your post raises many questions and others will probably address them.
Sam
xman1970 & twackler :
This is not about playing random or hot or cold or whatever 9 numbers. This is about money management and how large is your bankroll and how much are you willing to risk for in general small profit per winning session. Do you have any guarantee that any of your 9 numbers (whatever criteria you use in choosing numbers) will hit during e.g. 10, 20, 30, etc spins? How much you can resist continuous loses? Are you really willing to risk e.g. 1000 or more units if you don't hit anything during e.g. 36 spins (yes, it's quite possible)? etc, etc. Then why don't play simple Marty or some variant of D'Alembert? With a little luck on your side you'll earn much more and risk far less than with this one.
Ok. Last night I made absolutely wrong decision (Yes, it happens too). Being slightly bored with continuously playing my pretty controled and moderate successful "hard to earn/hard to loose" strategies, I choosed to play a session or two of this one as some sort of relaxing fun without any real expectations about sure winning system, being prepared for some moderate loss or small profit. After first loosing strike I realized how serious it is, and finally stopped when saw that the play and loses are totally out of control. Of course, don't recommend it anyone to make this sorts of "relaxing" experiments playing with real money.
TwoCatSam:
Thanks.
Hey fitz,
sry to hear about your loss, but I guess without personally testing, your asking for trouble. I personally play this 9 number system regularly and profit consistantly. But I don't play the same group over and over again. I use "waker" methodology and others use "hot" sectors... and if I miss x numbers of spins in a row I'll remove my bet and re-qualify. So to sum it all up, this "GEM" has been good to some of us.
Tough luck,
Matt
Hello there fitzthecat. The "feline squad" at the forum grows!
I too have faced the horrible drawdowns and this is what I do now:
After the ideals are not met (i.e. 36/9 = 4 spins without hit) I just FLAT BET DISPERSION.
That is the main key to stand a better chance to profit with the ATILA and this is what I intend to show Anand.
It was a learning process to me too. Finally I realized the best way is not to go in continuous-play, flat bet dispersion, cancel out concentration and after a hit reset the progression the the least possible. Also, I used to go for the largest bank possible, but after being at only a few units of losing them, I preferred to go with a smaller bank which is recoupable. In my case, I did cut it to 500 units.
Also, in the "do not minimize wins" spirit, I like to re-invest units as in this post:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/vls-50percent-money-management/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/vls-50percent-money-management/)
The main goal over here is to provide the ideas for each one of us to apply after making sure they "suit to us" or "we are comfortable with them" (i.e. drawdowns, required ratio of win/lost session, etc.). Testing is paramount. Also, the most advisable is to test with the target wheel(s).
Hope this set of recommendations helps in something.
Kind regards,
Victor
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Hi Kingspin,
I think the original text is right.
You begin again with 1 unit chip on all 9 numbers after a positive balance.
You only add new chips when gone losing.
Also when you win and you are for example :
2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 ---> here you win
now in the next bet you substract 1 unit so is :
2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Add 1 unit when lose , substract 1 unit when win.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Nope!!!!!!! It was carefully explained. The only time there is a reduction is upon a win that puts you in profit or higher profit. Then it is a re-start.
The 2 (two) key sentences are:
If I win, then I need to count my chips, if my balance is positive I start over again with nine chips.
If I have less chips than I started with, I will continue with the progression, until I reach a profit.[sic]
The links that JLC gives already do not work.
There is good information on Atila's play in:
nolinks. grupojoker. com/libro-ruleta-profesional-atila-t3951. html
Bye!
Sleepers just dont work.
Dont ever try to put your energy in tracking and waiting.
Ive seen hilarious situations with this.
Bob