Thought I would kick of this system area with my Double Street system that I have been playing for years. This system seems to hit D/S more often that it should, and is showing about 1/2 a unit average win per progression, over 1000 sessions. Hardly seems worth the effort but you can get a good winning run at times.
I concentrate on D/S that have hit ALMOST as often as they should. Before a bet is made, track the last 18 spins. In 18 spins every D/S SHOULD hit 3 times. What we are looking for is D/S that have hit EXACTLY twice in the last 18 spins. So we may be betting on 1 D/S OR 2 D/S only.
The D/S are noted down as follows:
1 = 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
2 = 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12
3 = 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18
4 = 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24
5 = 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30
6 = 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36
Example for betting 1 D/S:
First 6 spins 34 9 3 4 3 15
1 XXX
2 X
3 X
4
5
6 X
The next 6 spins 13 24 17 13 34 22
1 XXX
2 X
3 XXXX
4 XX
5
6 XX
The last 6 spins are 8 30 16 16 7 33
1 XXX
2 XXX
3 XXXXXX
4 XX
5 X
6 XXX
So here we will bet on D/S 4 (19-24) as it was the only one that came up twice, for the next 12 spins, using a progression 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10. Minus 49 units if we miss. Win is approx 4-11 units depending when we hit our D/S, and stop betting.
The next spins were 26 11 27 22- we hit the 22 for a 6 unit profit.
When a bet has been decided, I record the last 12 spins from our notes, then track the next 6 live spins to get the 18 spins, and start a new series. So if it took 3 spins to hit our D/S, our 6 live spins being tracked start from there.
Example for betting 2 D/S:
First 6 spins 5 28 32 18 20 13
1 X
2
3 XX
4 X
5 X
6 X
The next 6 spins 10 26 10 21 17 7
1 X
2 XXX
3 XXX
4 XX
5 XX
6 X
The last 6 spins are 35 36 3 11 29 35
1 XX
2 XXXX
3 XXX
4 XX
5 XXX
6 XXXX
Here l will be betting D/S 1 AND 4 as they are the only D/S that came up twice, for the next 6 spins, using the following progression 11 22 33 44 66 99. (eg, 1 unit on street 1 and 4. Then 2 units on street 1 and 4, etc.) Minus 50 units if we miss. Win is approx 4-6 units depending when we hit our D/S, and stop betting.
The next spin is 21 so we profit 4 units.
This may sound complicated, but it is quite easy with a bit of practice. The progression is pretty aggressive, but it could be bet in any way. If no D/S hits twice in 18 spins, start fresh and note the last 12 spins and track live the next 6. If 3 D/S come up in 18 spins, start tracking again.
Good Luck
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Sounds interesting :o ill give it try and see what happens
I just tried your progression with your system. If you hit on 4th spin, you only break even and if you lose after 12 spins is - 98 units.
Why tracking for 18 spins. Just wait for two missed DS and then play those DS. You must change your progression if you want to win something with this system. I wouldnt use 12 spin progression, because you will fail. Try to play DS with victor Lw method.
QuoteI just tried your progression with your system. If you hit on 4th spin, you only break even and if you lose after 12 spins is - 98 units.
Why tracking for 18 spins. Just wait for two missed DS and then play those DS. You must change your progression if you want to win something with this system. I wouldnt use 12 spin progression, because you will fail. Try to play DS with victor Lw method.
Are you sure you have the progression correct, it should go like this:
The progression for 1 d/s is 1122334456810 =
12 spins (49 units lost), then stop.
The progression when playing 2 d/s is 11 22 33 44 66 99 =
6 spins (50 units lost), then stop.
It should show profit on every decision. (Except after the last lol!)
Yes, I was trying on RX. You are playing 12 numbers and 12 spins is to long progression for 12 number. You will lose more then win.
Try it with real spins and you will see that system will fail.
Yep, it will fail eventually. I do play it with real spins and I am so far up with real money, that I can stand quite a few loses. Toby has a longer progression that I will test when I get a bit more time, he may be kind enough to re-post if he see's this. But if anybody has a better selection method, i'm all ears.
hey lohnro thanks for reminding us on this thread I will try to play it tomorow and will post results [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
"The next spins were 26 11 27 22- we hit the 22 for a 6 unit profit.
When a bet has been decided, I record the last 12 spins from our notes, then track the next 6 live spins to get the 18 spins, and start a new series. So if it took 3 spins to hit our D/S, our 6 live spins being tracked start from there."
Lohnro
Would the 22 be the first number of your next six or the number coming directly after the 22 in the trot?
Sam
Hey Sam
I start tracking directly number 22.
An interesting note:
The pattern that I lose most when betting 2 D/S is eg. :-
1 XX
2 XXXX
3 XXXX
4 XXX
5 XXX
6 XX
Very symmetrical isn't it!
Lonhro
I'm going to give this a try. Thanks. Your instructions were very good!
I'll watch for that symmetrical pattern. Looks like the bell curve taking a snooze!
Sam
Hey Lohnro
So far it worked brilliant +22 in a very short time, do you use any stop/win or stoploss rules? or just continual playing?
Hey Boo
It can certainly string quite a few wins together before a loss. I only feel comfortable when I am +50 units so I can handle another loss. My only stop win is when the missus says it is time to go home!! ;D
I have never been really comfortable with progressions, but I am thinking of using Lanky's 6 point divisor plan with it so we will see how it goes?
L and L
This raises a question. Sometimes you bet one d/s; sometimes two. How would you use the divisor in such a manner as to bet the right amount on both?
Sam
I have seen that the 2 x double street is sketchy...but overall, up 15 units through 132 spins. Since I just lost a 2 x DS, I will double up until I recover these units.
Just finished up a 464-spin session:
MAX: +156 units
MIN: -35 units
END: +156 units
Losses: 3 (all recovered by doubling up)
Wins: 40
Winning percentage: 93.02%
With a winning percentage like that, this is certainly good news.
It is a grind, but this sucker does win!!
Alright...another 396 spins:
HI: +195 units
LO: -9 units
End: +82 units (was in the middle of a recovery when the session ended)
Wins: 39, Losses: 3
Winning percentage: 92.86%.
Once again, not bad at all!!
cps these are great results, I was also testing in real casino today but unfortunately I cant provide enough data, but I can say that it works good and you dont risk alot!
Boo_Ray
Exactly. I would say that a (1x50) + (2x50) + (4x50) = 350-unit bankroll would more than suffice for this system. I really do like it a lot at this point.
It is a grind, but this sucker does win!! said CPS10
Glad to hear that!!
Very glad, indeed!
Sam
Sam,
Yeah, I don't know what made me take a look at it. But I am glad that I did!
I guess I looked at this thread because I have been using a triple-line strategy lately that has been working, but I think this kind of low play is a very low bankroll requirement, and a consistent winner.
More results to follow
Alright...another 364 spins:
HI: +169 units
LO: -50 units
End: +169 units
Wins: 39, Losses: 2
Winning percentage: 95.12%.
Once again, not bad at all!! I will continue to say that. This has already won more than a full bankroll for this system, so that's all good.
Keith
A post like yours makes up for about ten negative ones.
Are you doing this by hand? On a spreadsheet? RX?
Sam
Sam,
I am doing this with a spreadsheet, and very methodically (if that is such a word!).
If I get a progression loss, I double up until I recover. It recovers pretty quick, so that's a good thing. Another great thing is that the lowest drawdown I have had yet in these 1,200+ spins has been 150 units, which is sick. I would say that is pretty strong. Plus 400 units up and lowest DD has been 150. Not a bad ROI, even if it is slow and grinding. The good news is that if you happen to be playing a $10 unit (which many wheels at live casinos require), you would pretty much assure yourself of $3 or so per spin.
Keith
Best thing is that it does win :) Slow grind but safe! Will do some real testing tomorow
Had a little go on this today, and yes - this "sucker" does seem to win pretty damn well! I like it a lot! ;D I think I have found what I'm looking for, Unlike U2! haha
@ Sam: Using a divisor plan, which I certainly will be, I'm guessing you could work it so that you're assuming to be betting 2 lines for each bet, but you simply bet half the amount calculated if you're betting only 1. Would that work...? I'll ask Lanky.
Cheers
CD
Yes sir CD...it is a good solid safe system if you ask me.
Again, here is another 398 spins:
HI: +101 units
LO: -117 units
End: +101 units
Wins: 31, Losses: 3
Winning percentage: 91.18%.
Anytime a system is winning over 90%, that is certainly something you can work with!!
Keith
Let's talk about your progression. You say you double up. What is different that the progression Lohnro posted?
I want to run "spot checks" on my numbers, but I want to be sure I'm doing it the same as you.
Sam
Hey - can't let you guys have all the fun. I'll do some testing too in a second :)
Matt
Good work cps10, keep it up!
What are the thoughts about betting on the 2 double streets, might it be worth tracking until you find a run of 18 spins where only 1 double street hits twice?
I'm also wondering if backing the 1 (NOT 2) double street/s for 18 spins (3 cycles) rather than 12 could be a better way to play this.
The reason I think this is because Victor suggests, when talking about 6 number ATILA, "hold your bet for a maximum of 3 cycles...36/6 = Cycle for a line = 6 spins.
6 spins x 3 (cycles) = 18 spins.
After 18 spins of absence you never back a line to appear" Any thoughts?
I'll have to test this idea more...
CD
If my D/S is 7-12 and I hit it after 4 spins...So..I've tracked the first 4 spins..do i then track 14 spins without betting?
Thanks..
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 14, 2008, 08:17:27 PM
"The next spins were 26 11 27 22- we hit the 22 for a 6 unit profit.
When a bet has been decided, I record the last 12 spins from our notes, then track the next 6 live spins to get the 18 spins, and start a new series. So if it took 3 spins to hit our D/S, our 6 live spins being tracked start from there."
Lohnro
Would the 22 be the first number of your next six or the number coming directly after the 22 in the trot?
Sam
Is this what you're asking? If so, he said the 22 was the first number of the next six he charts.
Sorry..I'll re-read...I've worked out the beginning bit of betting on 1 or 2 DS but not sure on how to do the next step after the bet comes in..
just started running my first test and I must have picked the session from hell cause I'm getting lots-o-losses... first 9 bets I've seen 4 losing progressions. I'll have a go with some other numbers, to see if this was just a rough patch. Keep in mind too that I could be doing this all wrong ;)
Matt
So...i just leave the last 12 spins recorded then just do another 6...always keeping the last 12?
I think I have it wrong...as DS 1-6 hit 7 times meaning...i couldn't ever have that DS.
(got it!)
K gang, just tested another 238 spins, results much better. High and End totals were +97 units. Low was 0 (no losses). 19 wins. My numbers seem a little lower than CPS' but that could be because I never had to use a progression to gain back my losses... ?
MM
Quote from: ChickenDinner on September 15, 2008, 04:19:50 PM
@ Sam: Using a divisor plan, which I certainly will be, I'm guessing you could work it so that you're assuming to be betting 2 lines for each bet, but you simply bet half the amount calculated if you're betting only 1. Would that work...? I'll ask Lanky.
Cheers
CD
Hi CD.
Your 100% correct Mate.
I answered this today in a previous post of Yours Cobber.
But I will put the same link here again in case it was missed.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/msg19057/#msg19057 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/msg19057/#msg19057)
Good On Ya Mate.
Lanky
It is good to see that others are getting the same results as me. :D
Quote from: mattymattz on September 15, 2008, 07:06:50 PM
just started running my first test and I must have picked the session from hell cause I'm getting lots-o-losses... first 9 bets I've seen 4 losing progressions. I'll have a go with some other numbers, to see if this was just a rough patch. Keep in mind too that I could be doing this all wrong ;)
Matt
When I had this problem Matt, I changed tables after the 1st loss. It seems that when a table is bad.......it is really bad. So, hopefully all your losses came from the same table, or set of numbers?
Quote from: darrencasino on September 15, 2008, 07:12:33 PM
So...i just leave the last 12 spins recorded then just do another 6...always keeping the last 12?
That is how I do it darren.
Quote from: cps10 on September 15, 2008, 03:51:46 PM
Sam,
I am doing this with a spreadsheet, and very methodically (if that is such a word!).
If I get a progression loss, I double up until I recover. It recovers pretty quick, so that's a good thing. Another great thing is that the lowest drawdown I have had yet in these 1,200+ spins has been 150 units, which is sick. I would say that is pretty strong. Plus 400 units up and lowest DD has been 150. Not a bad ROI, even if it is slow and grinding. The good news is that if you happen to be playing a $10 unit (which many wheels at live casinos require), you would pretty much assure yourself of $3 or so per spin.
Keith
I would like to see a copy of your spreadsheet Keith?
I got earlier hehe...I know I'm hard work! Good results so far too :)
im playing a variation on this.
results from first test is +183 from 258 spins.
i have a spreadsheet. on a win, i do not wait 18 spins, i just take the last 18 numbers. if a loss happens - i stop altogether for 18 spins and then start again.
i didnt have progressions when i tested, so i used my own based on what is logical. 12 spins 1 set, 6 with 2. If 3 sets have 2 hits then no play possible, wait for it to be 2 or 1.
the maths on this is that you should lose around 1 in 10 progressions. so losses should not be plentiful and most should be recovered by the doubling up recovery session which should win quick enough before next loss.
i am waiting to see a session from hell, but i am thinking that things come in waves, so by playing non stop and then on a loss waiting 18 spins to break cycle and restart at a different point, you might be joining a different wave so hopefully will provide a safeguard.
in case last bit doesnt make sense - imagine the LnolinksLnolinksLnolinksL scenario. its a wave. however - a w may be a progreesion of 6 bets before the w happens. in those 6 bets, the double street you are betting on may drop to 1 hit in last 12 and a different ds will move to 2. so by being in virtual mode, you start betting on a different ds which could be on a different wave. If you are on a winning wave, you want to carry on and ride it. and if it loses, you want to catch another wave and see. Its just a bummer that you dont know the wave until you are on it. But the maths is that each wave will lose 1 in 10. and randomness says losses will sometimes be gouped. therefore it could pay to be on a different wave and hope for the best.
oo question here.. if after 18 spins you get more than 2 ds's which qualify, do you play all of them, or carry on until there are 2 left?
Cheers
Hammy jr (the 2nd)
Quote from: hamsup_sotong on September 16, 2008, 08:07:45 AM
oo question here.. if after 18 spins you get more than 2 ds's which qualify, do you play all of them, or carry on until there are 2 left?
Cheers
Hammy jr (the 2nd)
Hey Hammy jr (the 2nd),
This is a no bet situation for me, I re-track as described.
i wait until the number with 2 goes to 1 or 2. If 3 = no play.
you probably could play them - but i dont really have a desire to play 18 numbers because it is not a nice number to play. it smells.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 15, 2008, 05:09:22 PM
Keith
Let's talk about your progression. You say you double up. What is different that the progression Lohnro posted?
I want to run "spot checks" on my numbers, but I want to be sure I'm doing it the same as you.
Sam
Sam - with the single line progression, I would go from 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-6-8-10 to 2-2-4-4-6-6-8-8-10-12-16-20
For the double line progression, I would go from 1 1 - 2 2 - 3 3 - 4 4 - 6 6 - 9 9 to 2 2 - 4 4 - 6 6 - 8 8 - 12 12 - 18 18
Quote from: ChickenDinner on September 15, 2008, 05:25:07 PM
Good work cps10, keep it up!
What are the thoughts about betting on the 2 double streets, might it be worth tracking until you find a run of 18 spins where only 1 double street hits twice?
I'm also wondering if backing the 1 (NOT 2) double street/s for 18 spins (3 cycles) rather than 12 could be a better way to play this.
The reason I think this is because Victor suggests, when talking about 6 number ATILA, "hold your bet for a maximum of 3 cycles...36/6 = Cycle for a line = 6 spins.
6 spins x 3 (cycles) = 18 spins.
After 18 spins of absence you never back a line to appear" Any thoughts?
I'll have to test this idea more...
CD
Not a bad idea CD. Take a look into it and then please explain to those just jumping on the thread if it works out.
Quote from: darrencasino on September 15, 2008, 06:13:58 PM
If my D/S is 7-12 and I hit it after 4 spins...So..I've tracked the first 4 spins..do I then track 14 spins without betting?
Thanks..
This is what I do, and it could be a little different than how Lohnro originally laid it out for us.
Let's say that I am playing 1 line and it hits in 4 spins. What I do is back track the 12 spins BEFORE those 4, and the track 2 more AFTER THE HIT, which gives you 12+4+2=18 spins. Then you can analyze and begin playing again there.
So, what happens if it hits in 6 spins? I go back and take the previous 12 spins before those 6, then add the 6 in for 12+6=18 spins, and you are ready to play right away after that hit.
What about when the progression hits on the 10th spin? What I do is take those 10 spins, plus 2 spins before that and then observe 6 more spins before betting again. Since the progression went so deep down, I like to let the cobwebs shake out by letting those 6 spins correct the progression to where it is working again within the prescribed hit rate.
Quote from: Lohnro on September 16, 2008, 02:15:30 AM
Quote from: cps10 on September 15, 2008, 03:51:46 PM
Sam,
I am doing this with a spreadsheet, and very methodically (if that is such a word!).
If I get a progression loss, I double up until I recover. It recovers pretty quick, so that's a good thing. Another great thing is that the lowest drawdown I have had yet in these 1,200+ spins has been 150 units, which is sick. I would say that is pretty strong. Plus 400 units up and lowest DD has been 150. Not a bad ROI, even if it is slow and grinding. The good news is that if you happen to be playing a $10 unit (which many wheels at live casinos require), you would pretty much assure yourself of $3 or so per spin.
Keith
I would like to see a copy of your spreadsheet Keith?
Hi Lohnro - would be glad to send it over to you. Keep in mind, all I keep is records of my previous sessions, I don't show my workings out of previous sessions, just the last session that I used. But you are more than welcome to take a look.
Quote from: tucktuckster on September 16, 2008, 07:02:27 AM
im playing a variation on this.
results from first test is +183 from 258 spins.
i have a spreadsheet. on a win, I do not wait 18 spins, I just take the last 18 numbers. if a loss happens - I stop altogether for 18 spins and then start again.
i didnt have progressions when I tested, so I used my own based on what is logical. 12 spins 1 set, 6 with 2. If 3 sets have 2 hits then no play possible, wait for it to be 2 or 1.
the maths on this is that you should lose around 1 in 10 progressions. so losses should not be plentiful and most should be recovered by the doubling up recovery session which should win quick enough before next loss.
i am waiting to see a session from hell, but I am thinking that things come in waves, so by playing non stop and then on a loss waiting 18 spins to break cycle and restart at a different point, you might be joining a different wave so hopefully will provide a safeguard.
in case last bit doesnt make sense - imagine the LnolinksLnolinksLnolinksL scenario. its a wave. however - a w may be a progreesion of 6 bets before the w happens. in those 6 bets, the double street you are betting on may drop to 1 hit in last 12 and a different ds will move to 2. so by being in virtual mode, you start betting on a different ds which could be on a different wave. If you are on a winning wave, you want to carry on and ride it. and if it loses, you want to catch another wave and see. Its just a bummer that you dont know the wave until you are on it. But the maths is that each wave will lose 1 in 10. and randomness says losses will sometimes be gouped. therefore it could pay to be on a different wave and hope for the best.
tuck
Yes! That is what I was thinking too. The flushing out effect I have found very effective. And so far, I am finding better than 1 in 10 for a loss. More like 1 in 15. I would also be inclined to think that if you get a long streak of 30 winning progressions in a row, you might want to start with the 18=spin waiting period once you get a loss. Or maybe time to get out altogether with all wins in tact.
When I recovered the one loss in my last session, it only took 4 winning progressions to recover my loss. Now, granted, it was a double-up like I suggested before, but even so, that's great recovery time. Enough to get back to where I was and absorb another loss IF it comes back around.
Quote from: Lohnro on September 16, 2008, 09:08:00 AM
Quote from: hamsup_sotong on September 16, 2008, 08:07:45 AM
oo question here.. if after 18 spins you get more than 2 ds's which qualify, do you play all of them, or carry on until there are 2 left?
Cheers
Hammy jr (the 2nd)
Hey Hammy jr (the 2nd),
This is a no bet situation for me, I re-track as described.
I agree...what I do here is take the previous 12 spins and then track 6 new spins to see if a play comes out that time. I have seen situations where I have 20 or more spins without betting because there is a no-bet situation of either:
(1) More than 2 DS qualifying with 2 hits each; or
(2) NO DS qualifying with 2 wins
Again, here is another 436 spins:
HI: +241 units
LO: -9 units
End: +192 units (I had JUST had a loss as the session ended! :'( )
Wins: 47, Losses: 2
Winning percentage: 95.92%.
This is the best winning percentage yet. Again, this brings it up to 1 loss in 15 progressions or so. This makes recoveries that much better. I would say that if you were to lose 2 progressions in a row, or very quickly, I would probably go to another table and start your recovery from there.
Still working at about 0.35 UPS, which isn't as much as some would like, but if you are GUARANTEED 0.35 unit per spin, that's better than losing, right?
I have YET to see a drawdown of 150 units although I am sure that it can and will happen at some point. But through 2,000 spins, this is going well.
And about the 0.35 UPS win rate, if you were playing $100 units (yeah right!! lol), you would be getting $35 per spin! Just 1,200 spins or so and you will be paying cash for a NICE new car! :)
what do we do with zero, do we completely ignore it or take it as one spin and no line hitted?
Sam - with the single line progression, I would go from 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-6-8-10 to 2-2-4-4-6-6-8-8-10-12-16-20
For the double line progression, I would go from 1 1 - 2 2 - 3 3 - 4 4 - 6 6 - 9 9 to 2 2 - 4 4 - 6 6 - 8 8 - 12 12 - 18 18 Keith replied.
OK, thanks, I copied that to Word for safekeeping.
I don't wish to step on any toes; everyone should (I guess) tweak to their hearts content--but I would like to take a swing at it just as Lohnro wrote it.
Correct me L if I am wrong:
collect a group of 6
collect a second group of 6
collect a third group of 6
If in those three groups you have one or two double streets with only two hits each (not one; not three) you bet that one or two double streets using the progression. When you get a hit you scratch off the first six and the number which was your winner becomes number one of your new "third six" and you begin your search again.
Is the maroon part right?
Question: What if you did not get a bet during your first 18 numbers? Do you scratch the first six and keep on looking? Or do you scratch the first number of the first six and check one-by-one. Or scrap the whole trot and seek a new 18?
Lord, you talk about something that begs for a little tracking program.............
Sam
Quote from: Boo_Ray on September 16, 2008, 11:18:13 AM
what do we do with zero, do we completely ignore it or take it as one spin and no line hitted?
I ignore it completely.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 16, 2008, 11:29:41 AM
Correct me L if I am wrong:
collect a group of 6
collect a second group of 6
collect a third group of 6
If in those three groups you have one or two double streets with only two hits each (not one; not three) you bet that one or two double streets using the progression. When you get a hit you scratch off the first six and the number which was your winner becomes number one of your new "third six" and you begin your search again.
Is the maroon part right?
I think so. I am playing it slighly different I think.
Question: What if you did not get a bet during your first 18 numbers? Do you scratch the first six and keep on looking? Or do you scratch the first number of the first six and check one-by-one. Or scrap the whole trot and seek a new 18?
What I do is scratch the first six numbers, and add another set of 6 and start from there. I don't see a problem with 1-by-1 either.
Lord, you talk about something that begs for a little tracking program.............
Sam
Sam - please see in red for my responses.
Keith
Your format works very well!
I'll watch this thread and test sometime down the road.
Sam
Again, here is another 430 spins:
HI: +158 units
LO: -56 units
End: +122 units (I had JUST had a loss as the session ended! )
Wins: 41, Losses: 4
Winning percentage: 91.11%.
This is the lowest win percentage I have seen thus far. So, 1 in 11 loses? Not bad at all if you ask me!
Overall, through 2,488 spins, there is a +822 balance (and my high bankroll I suggested was 350 units), so you would have to go through all 3 progressions without ONE WIN to lose 350 units, so that would have to happen twice. I can't see that happening. Well, at least not now! LOL
It's about a 0.33 UPS, which isn't bad either.
It has 237 wins vs. 17 losses (93.31% win percentage) or about a loss every 14.94 progressions.
Again, 150 units is about the highest drawdown I've seen thus far.
Another 408 spins:
HI: +99 units
LO: -49 units
End: +16 units (I had JUST had a loss as the session ended and was working on recovery)
Wins: 30, Losses: 3
Winning percentage: 90.91%.
This is the lowest win percentage I have seen thus far. Again, 1 in 11 loses? Not bad at all if you ask me!
This was a rough session. Had many dry spells where there would be no betting, and it seemed that this group of numbers was choppy at best. But it still pulled through and won money. Applying the MM 50% method would have your wins locked up early (around 88 spins).
This has been a homerun through nearly 3,000 spins thus far. 7 groups of spins with no session losses.
CPS,
I'm going to run some tests and play it the same way you did. Seeing how I'm the only one to post a bad session, maybe your way would have worked better. I'll keep you posted.
MM
Matty,
I just had a bust-out session. I stopped it at losing through the 3rd progression. Here are the stats:
Spins: 363
Hi: +150 units
Lo: -198 units
End: -198 units
Wins: 30, Losses: 5
Winning percentage: 85.71%
This was a bad one. Of course, the stop-win is the key. At any rate, this looks good so far. I still think it's a "go".
HEEEEEEEEEY !!! This was the first system i made a good load of money of ;D One of the best i ever played. Highly recommended. I might as well answer the Q that i know going to come up...."Why did i stop playing it"?...I got greedyy,, LMAO... >:D
Cheers
/Compa
Sam mate,
For tracking, use Kon-Fu-Sed's alert tracker. It constantly tells you how ever many double streets, (or what ever you want) has hit it in the last 18 spins, or in how many spins you specify. You don't need to track back, it does it for you. It's f'ing brilliant! Thanks KFS!!!
It's on this site for download somewhere - I can't remember where though. If you can't find let me know & I'll upload for you.
This is still winning very welll for me ;D
I'm playing 1 line for 18 spins & 2 for 9. NOt sure what's the best way to play it yet, but this seems to be working very well. I've only lost once in about 400 spins. I'll keep playing. Oh yeah, I like the idea of waiting for 18 spins after a loss, or even going into virtual & start betting again as soon as it starts hitting and a line qualifies.
CD
ChickenDinDin
I have that puppy in my files. I'll fire it up and see what you mean.
Thanks for that input!!
And thanks to the confused one!
(Anyone get the feeling he's not really confused at all?)
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 16, 2008, 11:29:41 AM
I don't wish to step on any toes; everyone should (I guess) tweak to their hearts content--but I would like to take a swing at it just as Lohnro wrote it.
I suppose the more tweaks the better Sam, the more people who can turn it into something that works FOR THEM the better! 8)
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 16, 2008, 11:29:41 AM
Correct me L if I am wrong:
collect a group of 6
collect a second group of 6
collect a third group of 6
If in those three groups you have one or two double streets with only two hits each (not one; not three) you bet that one or two double streets using the progression. When you get a hit you scratch off the first six and the number which was your winner becomes number one of your new "third six" and you begin your search again.
Is the maroon part right?
Once I have collected exactly 18 spins and get the D/S to bet on and get a hit, I simply backtrack 12 numbers from the last number and track another 6.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 16, 2008, 11:29:41 AM
Question: What if you did not get a bet during your first 18 numbers? Do you scratch the first six and keep on looking? Or do you scratch the first number of the first six and check one-by-one. Or scrap the whole trot and seek a new 18?
If there is no bet Sam, I scratch the 1st 6 numbers and track another 6. I am sure it would work if you scratched 1 by 1. But once I found something that worked for me, I did not think to change.
Quote from: cps10 on September 16, 2008, 10:34:14 AM
Quote from: Lohnro on September 16, 2008, 02:15:30 AM
Quote from: cps10 on September 15, 2008, 03:51:46 PM
Sam,
I am doing this with a spreadsheet, and very methodically (if that is such a word!).
If I get a progression loss, I double up until I recover. It recovers pretty quick, so that's a good thing. Another great thing is that the lowest drawdown I have had yet in these 1,200+ spins has been 150 units, which is sick. I would say that is pretty strong. Plus 400 units up and lowest DD has been 150. Not a bad ROI, even if it is slow and grinding. The good news is that if you happen to be playing a $10 unit (which many wheels at live casinos require), you would pretty much assure yourself of $3 or so per spin.
Keith
I would like to see a copy of your spreadsheet Keith?
Hi Lohnro - would be glad to send it over to you. Keep in mind, all I keep is records of my previous sessions, I don't show my workings out of previous sessions, just the last session that I used. But you are more than welcome to take a look.
Thanks mate, my email is in my profile.
@ Sam - No worries, glad to help.
@ Lohnro - Thanks again for sharing this great looking system!
@ CPS - I'll keep testing & will post some detailed test results as soon as I can.
@ Lanky - Thanks for the divisor advice.
CD
Quote from: cps10 on September 16, 2008, 10:54:59 AMI would say that if you were to lose 2 progressions in a row, or very quickly, I would probably go to another table and start your recovery from there.
I would highly suggest after one progression loss, find a new table!
Quote from: cps10 on September 16, 2008, 10:54:59 AMStill working at about 0.35 UPS, which isn't as much as some would like, but if you are GUARANTEED 0.35 unit per spin, that's better than losing, right?
My results are now about 0.15UPS, which is not much as you say, but better than losing!!
I completely agree with the one progression loss. I would wait in virtual to make sure it is hitting again before getting back in. The one bad session I had could have been prevented had I done that.
@ Lohnro - I think NOW I am back to 0.15 UPS :) Maybe a little more. I do love this system though.
Just went over my last session that was so disasterous...if I had waited an additional 18 spins before playing again, I would have only lost 17 units total. That is pretty significant.
Also, waiting for a virtual win before continuing on had my bottom line at +79 units instead. Also very significant.
I think that we could make this system work very well if you ask me.
I am going to try something else different on this terrible session to see if that would have helped me too.
Quote from: Lohnro on September 16, 2008, 07:39:47 PM
Quote from: cps10 on September 16, 2008, 10:54:59 AMStill working at about 0.35 UPS, which isn't as much as some would like, but if you are GUARANTEED 0.35 unit per spin, that's better than losing, right?
My results are now about 0.15UPS, which is not much as you say, but better than losing!!
That's 15% or 15 out of 100. That's good, imagine when played with $ 10 units. A profit of $ 150 per 100 spins.
Exactly. I think it's a great system overall!
My programme "Magic Lines v0.2" in the
Members Download area might be useful.
Details in the "Common Sense" section.
Tnx for programe bjb [smiley=afro.gif]
Thank for the program Jb
NTM
Hi guys,
After some tweaking and head scratching, I've decided how I'm gonna play this:
1 X DS: back for 6 spins max.
2 X DS: back for 3 spins max.
After a win, I'll play again as soon as another DS (or 2) qualify (no waiting for x amount of spins).
Whenever I lose (no hits within 3 or 6 spins), I'll go into virtual play & re-enter after a virtual hit.
Using Lanky's divisor, I'll be aiming for 10% of my 200 unit BR, but will aim to break even after losing 25% of my BR. I'll play out the whole 200 units. But if I encounter 3 real losses back-to-back, or lose 50% of my bank roll and I've never been 1 unit in profit at any stage, I'll quit that session.
btw, this will be a test using fake money, and...I'm playing an RNG with no zero, where the limit is 2 units on the DSs.
If anyone's interested, I'll post the results of 100 session when I get there.
Cheers
CD
PS I've only played 1 session using these rules, and hit my target in 2 bets! Talk about a good start...
PPS Thanks for the program bjb
I just can't seem to lose with this sucker on No Zero Roulette! I'm not seeing any long dispersions. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm hitting so often that it's boring me! [smiley=3D-Smil/28_1_6.gif]
So - as great as this is, I am going start new testing on European roulette (Hamberg spins). Something more challenging for the testing! If it performs well on European roulette, then I can be very confident that it will wipe the floor when I return to no zero roulette with real money. Plus, by testing it with ER, I will get to see how well Lanky's divisor performs when I hit very long dispersions, and also see how well the virtual play strategy (after a missed cycle) works out.
Back to testing...
Boring!! Isin't this the dream of gambling? ;D
CD, I cannot wait for you to say this when you start playing for real money! :P
Quote from: Lohnro on September 22, 2008, 06:04:39 PM
Boring!! Isin't this the dream of gambling? ;D
CD, I cannot wait for you to say this when you start playing for real money! :P
LOL - Agreed completely Lohnro!
I've been playing my own variation of this system
I just select the 3 double streets that have slept the longest and bet in the folowing progression:
1-2-4-8-16-32
I have yet to get past the 4th progression (8 units) of course I may have just been very lucky!
Have a try guys, I use BJB's "Magic Lines" program to track the double streets that sleep! I find that 3 double streets to sleep for a while is very rare!
Keith
Quote from: keith4444 on September 22, 2008, 06:41:41 PM
I've been playing my own variation of this system
I just select the 3 double streets that have slept the longest and bet in the folowing progression:
1-2-4-8-16-32
I have yet to get past the 4th progression (8 units) of course I may have just been very lucky!
Have a try guys, I use BJB's "Magic Lines" program to track the double streets that sleep! I find that 3 double streets to sleep for a while is very rare!
Keith
LOL - I've been testing something similar Keith... betting 3 lines with a progression. Keep us posted!
MM
Quote from: mattymattz on September 22, 2008, 06:16:03 PM
Quote from: Lohnro on September 22, 2008, 06:04:39 PM
Boring!! Isin't this the dream of gambling? ;D
CD, I cannot wait for you to say this when you start playing for real money! :P
LOL - Agreed completely Lohnro!
Don't forget I was playing no zero roulette! I'm not learning anything if I'm winning easily - I wanna see what happens during those hellish sessions, those where the hits are low, the chips are down, and I have to surf my ass off to recover. I want to get a more of a feel for this system when things are not going well. Playing no zero roulette isn't giving me this opportunity. But don't worry my roulette brothers, once I've put it through all the paces and I'm 100% happy with the way I'm playing this, the real spondoolies will come out to play and I'll never be bored!
Cheers
CD.
@ Keith & Matt, sounds interesting, keep testing and keep posting!
PS Who actually laughs out loud when they post LOL? Maybe a smile or a slight chuckle at most. LOL :)
He's right! RLC........Really Low Chuckle!
Hi Matt (and all :D)
I've played 5 or so sessions of the "sleeping trio" version of this system and have yet to lose on DB!
Only played in demo at the moment naturally!
Never been past step 4 of 1-2-4-8-16
Will keep you updated!
Have you done a test with RX Matt? I would if I was better at coding! LOL
I haven't coded in RX Keith (have no idea how) but did some tests. Results were pretty good, but I did see a couple losses which really hurts.
Matt
rx code
Thanks Boo!
Hello,
81 000 spins on RX.
-1 575 units. -3.82%
Not great....
Insidebet
Yes but you can se that if you eliminate big drawdawns it is a nice winner!
That's just it...I think this system is good, but trying to apply the 50% MM rules to it has been tricky to be sure.
I used the RX code provided by Boo_Ray on this very page. There is no big progression used. Max. bet is 18 units. The graph is pretty well a long smooth descent, with a few upturns but several more downturns.
Boo-Ray says to eliminate big drawdowns. Well! I do not have a crystal ball yet...
Insidebet
simple.. If you lose progression, find another table and your bigest DD is 50units then..
Boo_Ray,
You mean switch table until I find a "lucky" one? Everyone is free to have his opinions, but I always felt that, if a system is good, it will be so no matter the table or the dealer.
Insidebet
inside
I once held that same opinion--that a table was a table was a table.
I now know that a table can change and the physical table you're playing on will be a "different" table tomorrow.
Sam
Quote from: insidebet link=topic=3.msg22420#msg22420 date=1222272091
Boo_Ray,
You mean switch table until I find a "lucky" one? Everyone is free to have his opinions, but I always felt that, if a system is good, it will be so no matter the table or the dealer.
Insidebet
So what you are saying is that you constantly sit behind one table for 81 000 spins and using one sistem that is good?
I want to be able to do that!
Boo
Where you gonna pee?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 24, 2008, 01:46:58 PM
Boo
Where you gonna pee?
Sam
I dont know sam, I dont have system that holds up for that long jet :P! ;D ;D
Boo_Ray,
All I am saying is:
1- Changing table because you are loosing is NOT a system.
2- A winning system is one where your full bets hit at a rate better than 1 in 36, your double street bets will hit at a rate better than 1 in 6, and so on.
3- You could play such system for 81 000 spins in a row and, for sure, come out ahead. (Any old man reading: put a bucket under the table. This will do good to your bladder).
4- I have not yet read anything on VIP or this site that can come close to winning long term. Some claim to be able to do it (hello Winkel) but when the time comes to come up with the proof, they say "believe me or go to hell".
Insidebet
Quote from: insidebet link=topic=3.msg22432#msg22432 date=1222275757
Boo_Ray,
All I am saying is:
1- Changing table because you are loosing is NOT a system.
2- A winning system is one where your full bets hit at a rate better than 1 in 36, your double street bets will hit at a rate better than 1 in 6, and so on.
3- You could play such system for 81 000 spins in a row and, for sure, come out ahead. (Any old man reading: put a bucket under the table. This will do good to your bladder).
4- I have not yet read anything on VIP or this site that can come close to winning long term. Some claim to be able to do it (hello Winkel) but when the time comes to come up with the proof, they say "believe me or go to hell".
Insidebet
Look changing table or something.. It works for me.. You cancel big drawdowns what more do you want? If that makes system win it is o.k for me.. why taking hard way to find Holy grail?
Quote from: insidebet on September 23, 2008, 11:32:19 PM
Hello,
81 000 spins on RX.
-1 575 units. -3.82%
Not great....
Insidebet
@inside bet
-3.82% sounds pretty good me. Why? Well, as we know the house edge is 2.7%, & this system does not include betting the zero, so the house edge increases by 2.7%. So we are up against 5.4%, yet after 81,000 spins the losses are only 3.82%. It not only plays as close the house edge as possible, but actually beats it! (well, it beats it after 2,025 continuous hours of not peeing).
So if you can surf the dispersions (and in my opinion, remove the progression & use a divisor), I really can't see how this bet selection will fail.
I know we've been over your opinions of dispersion surfing before, but let me give you a quick example. I played a session of this yesterday and soon ran into 24 back-to-back losses. If I had been playing with the progression I would have lost about 100 units, but because I was using Lanky's divisor and was also surfing the dispersions after the first missed cycle, I lost just 12 units! And then within a few spins I had hit my win target and was one happy surfer...!!! ;D
I'd be interested in seeing how this performs on RX if it could be programmed with a built in bet divisor and some kind of dispersion surfing activator...something tells me that the result would be a hell of a lot better than a 3.82% loss.
Cheers,
CD
Well explained CD.
Chicken,
The 81 000 spins were on a single 0 wheel. So -3,81% is actually worse than house edge.
Insidebet
Quote from: insidebet link=topic=3.msg22446#msg22446 date=1222284230
Chicken,
The 81 000 spins were on a single 0 wheel. So -3,81% is actually worse than house edge.
Insidebet
Inside bet.. CD told that system doesn't bet on zero and If you dont bet on zero house advantage is doubled.. I think winkel told us that and I think it is true
Look. There is no mystery to this. Whether you bet on 0 or not, this is how it goes: Singel 0 wheel has a 2,70% disadvantage; 00 wheel has a 5,40% disadvantage. Again whether you bet on 0 or not, I really do not care what anybody says, does not change anything.
The Insider
Quote from: insidebet link=topic=3.msg22451#msg22451 date=1222285975
Look. There is no mystery to this. Whether you bet on 0 or not, this is how it goes: Singel 0 wheel has a 2,70% disadvantage; 00 wheel has a 5,40% disadvantage. Again whether you bet on 0 or not, I really do not care what anybody says, does not change anything.
The Insider
As you wish.. I dont realy know what are we trying to achive while explaining some things to people which know everything..
I am not saying that you are wrong, so as I am not saying that you are right...
It is realy up to individuals who will take this method as a good method or a bad method..
As we get a hint from your name we know that you are faithfull to inside bets and ofcourse you are not gonna like outside bets..I also play inside bets for real money but I am always open for new ideas and exploring new areas... Some have holy grails but it is realy up to one person if he is gonna like it or not. I found a few winning methods, but I only play one or two, maybe three... Because there are methods that I like and methods that I like but they are not in my most favourit part of mind when puting money on the table..
For every method, you need special type of nerves when putting(or waiting to put) money on table... that could be my quote LOL ;D ;D
Sorry, what I meant to say was that the system outlined by Lonhro doesn't beat the 5.4% house edge, but performs 1.6% better than the math says it should. Which is great news!
Obviously the house edge is there due to the odds, i.e, taking a risk of 1 out of 37 possibilities to win 35, gives you a 2.7% disadvantage. But from my understanding, the reason the house edge is doubled when a system excludes the zero in a bet selection is easy to work: 36 numbers are played out of 37 possiblities, so 36 % 37 = 0.9729, multiplied by 100 = 97.29. 100% minus 97.29%= 2.7%. Winkel is certainly right!
I suppose a way round this would be to include the zero in 1 of the line groups, ie, line 1-6 is 0-6, however, you'd have to play the numbers rather than the lines, same odds though...hmmm...could that work?...I'll have to think about that one...
Cheers guys
Forget that last post........
Is someone/anyone saying the house edge cannot be increased?
"Check yes or no"...George Strait.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 24, 2008, 06:02:15 PM
Forget that last post........
Is someone/anyone saying the house edge cannot be increased?
"Check yes or no"...George Strait.
Sam
Yes Sam, insidebet believes the house edge is always 2.7% or 5.4% whether you play the zero or not. What started out as one argument moved into another...I'm going with Winkel on this one, maybe we should open up a new thread on this subject. Obviously people should play the systems they like, but it's a pretty major factor when it comes to deciding whether inside or outside is better for the long term. And I don't think many people know about it. I didn't even think about it until Winkel mentioned it.
I can show you a system where the house gets 50% edge.
I think.......
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 24, 2008, 07:03:17 PM
I can show you a system where the house gets 50% edge.
I think.......
Sam
That's great Sam. You're really selling it to me...!!! Seriously though, I would be interested. At least then I'll know to avoid anything similar and we can put the house edge argument to bed.
OK
Scooby posted once about an 8 number wheel and that's what started it. Let me do the math and I'll post it.
Sam
OK, here goes.
Trying to reduce the wheel to 8 numbers, 7 European.
Place $10 on the first dozen and $15 on the large numbers. Seven numbers are uncovered. 13 thru 18 and 0. Now place $1 on any five of those numbers.
Iteration.......
1st dozen hits, you break even.
Large number hits, you break even.
One of your $1 bets hits, you win $6. (36 minus a total of 30 bet)
One of your uncovered numbers hits, you lose $30.
We will not concern ourselves with the break-evens.
Winners = 5/37 = 13.5% win rate at $6
Losers = 2/37 = 5.4% loss rate at $30
Over one thousand spins.....
Loses
1,000 X 5.4% = 54 losses X $30 = $1,620
Wins
1,000 X 13.5% = 135 wins X $6 = $810
Seems to me you are flat-betting and loosing 50% of your bankroll.
I could use some help! Or confirmation!
Sam
Taking of the math professor's hat!
hi guys
Im using this system plus my own version of the 50% mm ( well at least i think it is) i started with $750 split into 3 banks of 250 a piece.
As of now im up about to $950 in 2 weeks. But im hitting a brick wall(was at $1268 b4 today) at the moment... will post the results if i get past it.
Question for you guys, when do you call off playing on a bad day? when u finish br? follow ur gut feeling?
Cheers
Hamsup
Hi Sam, I'm not too sure about the maths either, but one thing is sure: that is a terrible system! By trying to reduce the numbers played, it exposes the player to a disportionate loss when those uncovered numbers hit. I think the lesson here is to make sure a system doesn't have a 'black hole' that can easily wipe out your winnings, even if the risk seems small. I guess the zero, if not part of a system, is like a small black hole that slowly chips away at your winnings over time...
@ Hamsup - set yourself a stoploss of whatever you feel comfortable with mate, i.e 25-50% of the bank roll.
Cheers,
CD
Dinner
The question is not whether the system is good or bad.....it's terrible!! It's not a system, even. It is a mathematical oddity.
The question is this: If, betting this way, will you lose 50% of your bankroll or is my math wrong. If it's wrong, show me in mathematical language.
Sam
Sam - I know it's not a system. I was joking...sometimes you don't really understand my sense of humour mate...! I'm British, so that's understandable...anyway, check the other post...
Cheers,
CD
Test results from 1st 10 Spielbank Wiesbaden sessions - using Lanky's divisor, Victor's 50% MM plan & betting a max of 1 cycle with virtual play 'surf mode' after a missed cycle (resuming real play after a hit):
1. 22/9 £20 TARGET: WIN £20; 96 SPINS, DD £12
2. 23/9 £20 TARGET: WIN £20; 30 SPINS, DD £8
3. 24/9 £20 TARGET: WIN £26; 45 SPINS, DD £0
4. 25/9 £20 TARGET: WIN £23; 49 SPINS, DD £23
5. 27/8 £20 TARGET: WIN £12; 150 SPINS, DD £47
6. 26/9 £25 TARGET: WIN £29; 136 SPINS, DD £48
7. 28/9 £25 TARGET: WIN £29; 50 SPINS, DD £24
8. 29/9 £25 TARGET: WIN £25; 140 SPINS, DD £13
9. 31/8 £25 TARGET: WIN £19; 108 SPINS, DD £69
10. 2/10 £30 TARGET: WIN £34; 54 SPINS, DD £6
MAIN BANK: £313.5 (starting bank £200)
2ND BANK £113.5
PROFIT SO FAR: £227
Very early days yet (90 more sessions to go), but I'm liking these apples so far, especially the small draw downs. ;D
Cheers fellas,
CD
Great news CD! And good use of all the amazing tools found on this forum. Keep us posted!
Cheers,
Matt
CD
Work hard! We 'preciate ya !
Sam
Thanks guys. When I've hit 100 sessions, I'll then do a control test, betting the single or double streets at random to compare results. That way, I'll able to see if it's the great tools that are winning it for me or the bet selection system itself. Hard work, but well worth the effort I think.
I've just been sacked from a crappy temp job I had - so I'm pleased to announce that I will have more time on my hands for roulette business! :)
Cheers
CD
hi CD
thumbs up for the results so far. will the rest of the tests be posted in the testing zone?. I'm fiddling with this system as well and the results have been pretty good as well. Should we start a thread there?
Cheers
Hams
Hi Hamsup,
Glad to hear that your results are also postive. Yes - I think posting results in the testing zone section is best from know on - it keeps the forum organised. I'll post my results there from now on. Feel free to start a new thread if you post yours before I do.
Cheers
CD
Quote from: insidebet link=topic=3.msg22446#msg22446 date=1222284230
Chicken,
The 81 000 spins were on a single 0 wheel. So -3,81% is actually worse than house edge.
Insidebet
Every system fails when tested like that. The table can't be beat with math. We're just looking for a event or trigger which allows us to bet. And with human interaction I'm sure you can be winning more than losing.
JHM,
Thanks for your two bits.
Do you have examples of "triggers" or "human interaction" or "events"?
I have tested a lot "trigger" type systems with the same results.
Can you put some onto this?
Insidebet
Quote from: insidebet link=topic=3.msg23573#msg23573 date=1223152027
JHM,
Thanks for your two bits.
Do you have examples of "triggers" or "human interaction" or "events"?
I have tested a lot "trigger" type systems with the same results.
Can you put some onto this?
Insidebet
How do you mean ''I have tested a lot "trigger" type systems with the same results.''. Did you do live tests? Like I said before, all the automatic testing without human interaction will end up losing. On every system.
Winkel's G.U.T. is a great example which waits for a situation to play. You as the human need to track until you have the target in sight and than pull the trigger / make the bet. Members here are testing with positive results.
hi guys,
agree with Jhm's view
Nothing beats live testing, the split decisions, the flow of the session, the possible mistakes made etc. All this will eventually be factored into your "performance".
As for points like changing of tables while you are losing, well to each his own guys. Whatever works for you may not work for someone else. Happy TESTING
CHEERS
Hams
Quote from: hamsup_sotong on October 05, 2008, 01:14:13 PM
hi guys,
agree with Jhm's view
Nothing beats live testing, the split decisions, the flow of the session, the possible mistakes made etc. All this will eventually be factored into your "performance".
As for points like changing of tables while you are losing, well to each his own guys. Whatever works for you may not work for someone else. Happy TESTING
CHEERS
Hams
Yes, next to that you gain experience doing live tests. It may sounds strange, but sometimes I join the table and start tracking. Than I see how the table is moving and my instinct says ''don't play''. And off course I play, because I'm testing and I want to know if I'm right. Most of the times when I place my bet I loose.
Example, I'm playing unhit numbers. I join and start tracking, I see a lot doubles coming up, like three in 10 spins. My feeling says ''don't play, most likely another double will come up''. I play and guess, another double.
LMAO exactly. It has happened to me before as well. Don't you just wish that u had followed your hunches?
Hams
Quote from: hamsup_sotong on October 05, 2008, 01:33:00 PM
LMAO exactly. It has happened to me before as well. Don't you just wish that u had followed your hunches?
Hams
While testing, no. Playing with the casino's / fake money :). When I decide to play real money, that I would or should ;)
I just read through this post and it looks good. One thing that i am woundering if you spin 18 times and you have 3 D/S that have only hit twice and you bet on all 3 useing a progression, after 1 hits do you keep betting on the other 2 or do you start over?
Hi sedated
You don't bet 3Ds mate... take the last 12 and track another 6 spins
Cheers
Hams
I know I keep going on about it, but...I do love this system! I played a session earlier where I met the sweetest of hit clouds (as Victor calls them). I know lady luck had her part to play, but nevertheless the system selected the correct double street for me 4 times on the bounce, no progression needed. Don't you just love it when something like that happens! 8)
Guys
bj's Magic Lines v0.2 is perfect for this system as he has made it "New Eyes" friendly. You may eliminate the oldest number in the trot and have a new set of 18 numbers with each spin.
I am aware this is not the way Lohnro said to use it and using it this way may turn a winner into a loser. But until someone convinces me that Joe, who sits down and begins recording exactly one spin later than Jim, has a lesser chance of winning that Jim, I will continue to believe my "New Eyes on the Marquee" theory.
There is one good thing about it: If I turn a winner into a loser, then there was winner to ruin. Logic: There is a winner! No one can lose in the long run! Simply revert to Lonhro's original, which has not been damaged in the fracas, and continue on.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 08, 2008, 11:49:47 AM
Guys
bj's Magic Lines v0.2 is perfect for this system as he has made it "New Eyes" friendly. You may eliminate the oldest number in the trot and have a new set of 18 numbers with each spin.
I am aware this is not the way Lohnro said to use it and using it this way may turn a winner into a loser. But until someone convinces me that Joe, who sits down and begins recording exactly one spin later than Jim, has a lesser chance of winning that Jim, I will continue to believe my "New Eyes on the Marquee" theory.
There is one good thing about it: If I turn a winner into a loser, then there was winner to ruin. Logic: There is a winner! No one can lose in the long run! Simply revert to Lonhro's original, which has not been damaged in the fracas, and continue on.
Sam
System isn't that hard. I thinks it's easy to learn and play.
Lohnro what to do?
1 XXX
2 X
3 XXX
4 XXXXX
5 XXX
6 XXX
DOES IT MATTER IF ONE DS HAVE NOT BEEN HIT LIKE THIS ??
1 XXXXX
2
3 XX
4 XXXXX
5 XXX
6 XXX
PLAY THE 3 OR RESET WITH THE NEXT 6 ?
Quote from: JHM on October 08, 2008, 06:13:09 PMLohnro what to do?
1 XXX
2 X
3 XXX
4 XXXXX
5 XXX
6 XXX
No Bet. I would start again and backtrack 12 spins, live track the next 6 and see what the next pattern shows.
Quote from: kompressor on October 08, 2008, 07:17:18 PM
DOES IT MATTER IF ONE DS HAVE NOT BEEN HIT LIKE THIS ??
1 XXXXX
2
3 XX
4 XXXXX
5 XXX
6 XXX
PLAY THE 3 OR RESET WITH THE NEXT 6 ?
It does not matter to me, I would only play the 3. You never know how long the 2 will sleep for?
Quote from: Lohnro on October 08, 2008, 07:53:50 PM
Quote from: JHM on October 08, 2008, 06:13:09 PMLohnro what to do?
1 XXX
2 X
3 XXX
4 XXXXX
5 XXX
6 XXX
No Bet. I would start again and backtrack 12 spins, live track the next 6 and see what the next pattern shows.
Correct sir. I tracked next 12 spins and see what happend:
0 XX
1 XXXXXXX
2 X
3 XXXXXX
4 XXXXXXXX
5 XXX
6 XXX
I'll be testing the system live @ dublinbet for some day's / weeks.
Maybe I just have bad luck but:
Yesterday live @ dublinbet
+4
+6
+6
Today
+4
+5
-49 (one street)
-49 (one street)
Total -73. Recovery to big for me. Not my system
Jur
I am sorry to hear that but based on your findings, I think I'll put this on hold and study winkel before he actually does leave us.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 09, 2008, 02:00:17 PM
Jur
I am sorry to hear that but based on your findings, I think I'll put this on hold and study winkel before he actually does leave us.
Sam
Sam my friend,
I can't change a thing about it. I have seen sleep a 4 number block for 60 spins. So I'm not stunned a double street slept for 10 spins.
When Winkel decide to leave us because he had argue with other members. Than I think Winkel has a too big ego or isn't open to argue. I have read his topic. When somebody want to argue with him, he start calling names.
I don't hope he leaves us, because I think his G.U.T. is a good working system and he has good knowledge.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 09, 2008, 02:00:17 PM
Jur
I am sorry to hear that but based on your findings, I think I'll put this on hold and study winkel before he actually does leave us.
Sam
Sam,
Have you noticed things while testing?
I notice that when I'm testing, one thing leads to another. When you test systems, everytime you see the game, possibilities and table a different way. I really think testing is good for your personal skills. One thing leads to another. From testing this system it has lead me to another. Have tested today with good result. Have to test more before posting.
I'm not a math boy. More the type who is looking for a occasion to happen often and base a system to that.
Quote from: JHM on October 09, 2008, 10:17:25 AM
Quote from: Lohnro on October 08, 2008, 07:53:50 PM
Quote from: JHM on October 08, 2008, 06:13:09 PMLohnro what to do?
1 XXX
2 X
3 XXX
4 XXXXX
5 XXX
6 XXX
No Bet. I would start again and backtrack 12 spins, live track the next 6 and see what the next pattern shows.
Correct sir. I tracked next 12 spins and see what happend:
0 XX
1 XXXXXXX
2 X
3 XXXXXX
4 XXXXXXXX
5 XXX
6 XXX
Hi JHM,
Are you tracking with a fresh new template, or adding to your previous results as above?
after 5 sessions on live dublinbet
1. -49
2. +49
3.+15
4.+10
5.+25
50 units profits
Quote from: JHM on October 09, 2008, 10:57:01 AM
I'll be testing the system live @ dublinbet for some day's / weeks.
Maybe I just have bad luck but:
Yesterday live @ dublinbet
+4
+6
+6
Today
+4
+5
-49 (one street)
-49 (one street)
Total -73. Recovery to big for me. Not my system
The double loss is the worst thing that can happen to this system. It may end up being a cop out and make no difference, but 15% of my losses have come straight after a loss, so if I introduced a rule "change tables after a loss" earlier on, I would be a lot better off!
you still have good sucess with real money Lohnro ?....whats your session goal and unit value ?
Quote from: kompressor on October 10, 2008, 12:32:12 AM
you still have good sucess with real money Lohnro ?....whats your session goal and unit value ?
Yes, I still do play for real money. I am wary though because I have had such a good run that I know it will not last. So I only play for 3-4 of hits and am happy with that!
Quote from: Lohnro on October 10, 2008, 12:22:47 AM
Quote from: JHM on October 09, 2008, 10:57:01 AM
I'll be testing the system live @ dublinbet for some day's / weeks.
Maybe I just have bad luck but:
Yesterday live @ dublinbet
+4
+6
+6
Today
+4
+5
-49 (one street)
-49 (one street)
Total -73. Recovery to big for me. Not my system
The double loss is the worst thing that can happen to this system. It may end up being a cop out and make no difference, but 15% of my losses have come straight after a loss, so if I introduced a rule "change tables after a loss" earlier on, I would be a lot better off!
Yes, every new 'game' I start with a clean sheet. When I have a not-to-play situation. I remove al numbers from the sheet, track the last 10 from the pole and add the upcoming new 8, so a new fresh game.
The two losses are both fresh sheets and on different tables. Loss 1 is table one @ Dublinbet and loss nr. 2 is table two @ dublinbet.
can someone tell me if the minimum double street bet is always 6 times the minimum table straight up bet (in real casino)
thanks
what would be the best session goal...25...49 units ??......this way when one progression fail you dont loose your past 3-4 session (or days)
no news from CPS.....look like he hit a brick wall or he's now retired in cayo coco
any new real money result with this system ???
Hi Lohnro,
In Hamsup_sotong test thread of this system, you mentioned that you've tested long enough to know this system is a winner. Would you mind sharing your money management rules? Do you have any stop rules for each sessions?
Thanks,
Novo
Hey Novobetter
I should of said [highlight]this system is a winner for me.[/highlight]
I have played it so many times now that I can handle over 20 progression losses and still be in front. As far as money management rules go, I just use my common sense. I quit after 3-4 wins, and change tables (or machines) after a loss.
Just try to quit while you are ahead mate, and don't try to push for too many game wins in a row.
Good luck!
Thanks mate,
I've been testing and so far so good... ;D