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Title: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: lucky_strike on February 05, 2008, 05:14:31 PM
QuoteDo you have any calculations that could be used to bet on the next color?
If you play for 100 hands and you would like to have an idea as to what the next color could be.
Can that be done?

Thomas is this what you are looking for...

Here is one graph level betting - even chances - no progression, RNG.

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg222.imageshack.us%2Fimg222%2F9249%2Fcorectionnr1yl2.jpg&hash=26a358c0b8fa26e6971d20b359419f99d4dacba9)

Cheers Lucky Strike [smiley=rolleyes.gif]
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: lucky_strike on February 05, 2008, 07:22:41 PM

I forgot to answer your question. [smiley=shocked.gif]

The answer is yes, if you wondering if there exist a method to calculate and a strategy to predict the next colour for even chances.


Cheers Lucky Strike ;)
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: admin on February 05, 2008, 07:34:28 PM
Thanks for answering thomas  [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

Let's see what he says about it!  [smiley=smiley.gif]
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: J.Daniels on February 15, 2008, 12:25:14 PM
Quote
I forgot to answer your question. [smiley=shocked.gif]

The answer is yes, if you wondering if there exist a method to calculate and a strategy to predict the next colour for even chances.


Cheers Lucky Strike ;)


[smiley=shocked.gif] What is it? can you explain it ?  [smiley=huh.gif]

Regards
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: lucky_strike on February 20, 2008, 10:17:29 PM
[highlight]J Daniels here i used 4 units, level bets, 5 sessions and gain 15 units[/highlight]

If you are interested then i can tell you how to calculate, use windows, and how the march for indications work. It takes time and so far it looks good but it has not been tested for the long run.

This is the values.

Singels has the value 1
Series of 2 the value 0
Series of 3 the value 1
Series of 4 the value 2
Series of 5 the value 3

And so it goes...

And you add those numbers to get a statistical ecart of 3,5.

I have only try this for singels contra series.


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1      18:2
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  2      won      +1
  2      won      +2
  2      won      +3
1      loss
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1      won            
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  2      16/0            
  2      won      +1
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1      won      +1
  2      loss       0
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  2      won      +1
1      loss       0
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  2      loss      -1
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1      won       0
  2      loss      -1
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  2      won       0
  2      won      +1      
  2      won      +2
1      loss      +1
1
1      won      +2
1      won      +3
  2      loss
  2
  2      won
  2      won
  2      won
  2      won
1      loss
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  2      won
  2      won
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  2      16/1
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1      won      +1
  2      loss       0
  2      
  2      won      +1
  2      won      +2
1      loss      +1
1
1      won      +2
1      won      +3
1      won      
1      won      
  2      
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  2      won
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  2      22/0
  2      won      +1      
  2      won      +2      
  2      won      +3      
  2      won      
1      LOSS
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1      20/2
1      won      +1
  2      loss       0
  2
  2      won      +1
1      loss       0
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  2      loss      -1
  2
  2      won       0
1      loss      -1
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  2      won       0
  2      won      +1
1      loss       0
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  2      won      +1
  2      won      +2
  2      won      +3
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Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: J.Daniels on February 21, 2008, 10:35:39 AM
QuoteIf you are interested then I can tell you how to calculate

Sure I am [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]. It looks nice, we will see the test results.

Regards JD
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: lucky_strike on February 22, 2008, 07:30:59 AM
[highlight]J Daniels i just want to show you a short test i made. I wanted to see how far i would get whit 3 units. Wagering 28 times. Profit 14. Loss 0.
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  2      won      +1            
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  2      WON      +1
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Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: J.Daniels on February 22, 2008, 12:39:57 PM
It looks good so far, but I need a further explanation

Regards

JD
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: thomasgrant on July 04, 2009, 06:30:59 PM
Umm, did I make such a quote?
Hmm, I will have to look at my posts again.
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: I have cookies on July 04, 2009, 08:04:17 PM

lol - where did you find this post it make me think like 2 years back and about Marigny and Cut Point Method

Cheers
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: thomasgrant on July 05, 2009, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: I have cookies on July 04, 2009, 08:04:17 PM
lol - where did you find this post it make me think like 2 years back and about Marigny and Cut Point Method

Cheers

Hmmm,
Yeah, I guess so.
Still looking for the quote I made.
It says "Quote Thomas Grant" as the topic.
But what was my quote? Still looking it up.
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: lucky_strike on July 05, 2009, 07:44:37 PM
Well this is what I remember.
You wrote and ask that some where then I copy it and qoute you and made this post.
It is not your qoute it is me that qoute what you ask.

Cheers
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: simon on July 06, 2009, 09:41:04 AM
this looks interesting I just wish I understood it.  There are values assigned for streaks of 1 through 5, is 3 the value for a run of 5 or greater?  or are there more values for runs of 6 (six in a row), runs of 7, etc?  and  don't understand the rest, just see a bunch of 1's and 2's, don't get what's going on, oh well, if anyone wants to explain it better that would be nice.
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: I have cookies on July 06, 2009, 09:53:27 AM

Hi Simon

1 and 2 is the same as Red and Black
I use random.org

That you can see above is about  Marigny de Grilleau and hes Cut Point Methodology.

Cheers
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: simon on July 06, 2009, 10:00:04 AM
thanks, is this Cut Point Methodology explained elsewhere in more detail?
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: simon on July 06, 2009, 10:06:34 AM
can you explain when and why and what are the bets in the examples above, and what does 18:2 indicate, etc?
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: I have cookies on July 06, 2009, 10:39:31 AM
Marigny de Grilleau and hes Cut Point Methodology is hudge.
You can ask Victor or JLP.
But they don't have the same material as i have.
With Margny you use series and singles and measure them with different methods depending on what event you want to capitalize on.
Then there is rules that it has to happen with in a frame of events.
To make a long story short i don't have the strength to give lessons about it.
If they do i might jump in with some comments.

Cheers
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: simon on July 06, 2009, 11:03:39 AM
ok I found some things with google, thanks.
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: simon on July 06, 2009, 06:25:48 PM
Books › "marigny de grilleau"
Showing 1 Result    1. Das Gesetz der kleinen Zahlen by Kurt v. Haller (Paperback - Mar 31, 2004) - Import
1 Used & new from $57.85

found this book at Amazon, saw picture of cover, obviously about roulette, unfortunately can't read it (unless there's an english translation somewhere.)

............ and "Methode Grilleau" article at win-maxx about chasing six numbers that have hit 3 times, to hit again in 37/38 spins.
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: thomasgrant on July 07, 2009, 01:06:01 AM
Quote from: Lucky Strike on July 05, 2009, 07:44:37 PM
Well this is what I remember.
You wrote and ask that some where then I copy it and qoute you and made this post.
It is not your qoute it is me that qoute what you ask.

Cheers

Ohh, I see..
Ok that was it then.
Thanks for clearing that up.

I ask lots of questions.
I ask so many.
That I often forget what the questions are.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: Spike on July 07, 2009, 01:17:14 AM
To T Grant:

Why do you write like every paragraph is a haiku? You probably think its clever, in reality its quite annoying.
Title: Re: Quote Thomas Grant
Post by: thomasgrant on July 07, 2009, 05:22:40 AM
Quote from: Spike on July 07, 2009, 01:17:14 AM
To T Grant:

Why do you write like every paragraph is a haiku? You probably think its clever, in reality its quite annoying.

Glad that I keep annoying you.