hi, this system sort of works. Found it at site called fouroulette.com. For online roulette rng.
Wait for 4 OR 7 to land.
Then bet 4 AND 7 both.
4 OR 7 should repeat once or twice over 15 spins.
Sounds daft, but it seems to work, been playing them with good returns.
They have a system for american roulette thats good but not as good, is it ok to post systems from roulette sites or is copy right?
If it is how do i remove this post?
Uly
Hi Ulysses [smiley=welcome/welcome.gif] to the forum and thanks for sharing.
Quoteis it ok to post systems from roulette sites or is copy right?
If you use your own words to describe a strategy you have read about and decide to share, then there is no issue.
Quotehow do I remove this post?
If you wrote something that you wont to change you just click on "modify" button.
Cheers LS
Hi Ulysses,
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and system. I did a fast check with Sam's actuals. Seems to follow each other lot's of times, but more times not.
Here we go on ca. 1100 spins.
+34
+8
-30
+34
-30
+17
+32
-30
-30
-30
-30
+10
-30
-30
+28
-30
+22
-30
-30
+16
+14
+32
-30
-30
+12
+24
+20
+22
+14
-30
+28
-30
Total -83
If you would like to check / test this, you can find a lot of numbers here in the Actuals / Permanences section.
Succes.
Great JHM.
Thanks for that quick test.
I also make quick tests when I want to try something new or test something some one have post.
1024 outcomes is where they fail or pass, if they pass I make another 1024, if that pass I make a hudge test for the long run, just for fun and to hit the sequense from hell[smiley=3D-plus/36_1_28.gif]
Cheers Lucky Strike
Well is there a progression for this one or is it just flat betting ?
Cheers LS
i'm a bit miffed that it was tested and came out poorly, i can only bet that rng's must be different on casinos than the rng that was used. i don't know? and its a flat bet that i do it with, but doubling bet is worth a go if you have the balls. i'll keep playing it and let you know how i'm doing, for now its weirdly consistent, but who knows?
QuoteI can only bet that rng's must be different on casinos than the rng that was used.
Hi here is a littel something for you mate.
TRNG = True Random Number Generator.
The randomness comes from atmospheric noise, which for many purposes is better than the pseudo-random number algorithms typically used in computer programs.
TRNGs is the very beast for:
- Lotteries and Draws
- Games and Gambling
- Security (e.g., generation of data encryption keys)
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg142.imageshack.us%2Fimg142%2F402%2Fblixtjl0.jpg&hash=5db2b1f30c14f5d5fb2d52d69173feb0f1371c19)
Here is the link:
random.org
Here you just click at numbers and download txt files with a size of 10.000
Write 1 to 36 thats all.
Now you can run them into RX have fun...
If you don´t know or have RX you can read about it here nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/uxsoftware's-roulette-xtreme/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/uxsoftware's-roulette-xtreme/)
Cheers LS
LS thanks for the link random.org, don't go off at me again when i say i'm still not convinced about programs like microgaming and RTG that they use true random numbers with noise, its just because i dont trust billion dollar casinos ha ha.
Uly
U-man
Two scenarios:
One----You place your bet and a wheel spins. No human on Earth knows for sure where the ball will land.
Two---You place your bet and the casino can look at the board and know where your bet is not.
Where would rather bet?
Sam
EDIT: For those who say the casino doesn't know where you bet---um, how do they know if you won or lost?
Hi Ulysses the thing is I want to help you mate, but you have to make it work for you.
If you succed to beat the TRNGs then you beat anything that is random.
That you want to find is to win and break even, that is the secret.
And a real andvantage is not to win 10 20 30 40 % or above, it is to make +1 or break even.
But thats my humbel opinion, take it or not, I hope you will enjoy your stay here at VLS forum.
Cheers Lucky Strike
Twocats i'll stick to online roulette personaly, because its working out for now, but as you said there is a possibility that the casinos could be spying on your bets in point 2. Let you win for a time, then sabotage your game. Wouldn't they need an army of staff to do this spying and there would be leaks from disgruntled ex employees. Gotta go with what ever works at the time, for me its online roulette. Until i get stuffed over. Uly
I take your point thanks LS
Ulyssessess.....did I spell that right?
They don't need an army; just one computer that knows all. And maybe they are all honest, but I don't believe it.
Good luck in whatever works for you.
By the way, "online" is a live wheel also, not just RNG.
Sam
Cheers Twocats
JHM thanks for testing the 4 and 7 the rest of this system is numbers 2 AND 5
just out of intrest with the noise rng, could you test these numbers 2 AND 5
Same again if 2 OR 5 land
bet 2 AND 5
over 15 spins, 2 OR 5 should repeat once sometimes twice, for me it does roughly 70% of the time
playing rng roulette online. Just want to see what the outcome is for the noise rng.
thanks Uly
2 and 5 on 1100 real spins (from Sam)
+66
See nolinks://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6848/naamloosbg3.jpg (nolinks://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6848/naamloosbg3.jpg)
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2F66%2520%5Burl%3Dnolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg126.imageshack.us%2Fimg126%2F6848%2Fnaamloosbg3.jpg%255Dnolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg126.imageshack.us%2Fimg126%2F6848%2Fnaamloosbg3.jpg%255B%2Furl%255D&hash=296e67dd6180fd144a1d859580e7d1aa6b8f11fd)
JHM thanks for the testing
From those results it started well
Then went up and down like a yo yo
Then went down
Then jumped up in the last quarter.
Thats if i'm reading the data properly. Thanks again Uly
Its still working out well. Has anyone else played these repeating numbers on rng casinos (not live wheel).
Uly.
Yes, it worked (Golden Tiger), but after the second 4 or seven comes up, it's seems good to stop betting until 4 or seven shows up again(long dry spell). It is not consistent to produce a profit.
It is also worth exploring which splits hit most often [in general, Different RNG's, Live wheels-Dublinbet & Riverbelle] and could that (with a bet selection) could produce maximum profit.
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I just did a test on a "favorable" RNG (Golden Tiger). Out of 88 spins Real Money RNG, 4 and 7 had the most hits, 6 each!!!
Yes i've tried a few casinos, the real downer is that it repeats more often on playtech rng's but they have a problem when it comes to paying me out. like joyland and city club casino. Using Rushmore lately as they pay out and are RTG software but not as good as. I will look at Goldentiger cheers. What about the 2 and 5 did you try them out.
Check out 18 and 33 as repeaters, they repeat but break up sometimes, like 1 and 8 = 18. And the 33 can repeats as = 3 if you get what i mean. Watch for them you will see what i mean.
To my surprise! #2 hits on first spin! #4 hits on the 7th, 5 hits on the 13th, 2 hits on the 15th, 17th spin 2 hits again,.....7 hits again on the 40th spin and 5 hits on the 50th spin..... I decided to keep betting on the numbers, increasing by 1 per 10 spins. BR went from $37 to $166. Excellent! Time to call TwoCat
Possible Holy Grail!
That was a great run you had there, and increasing bet by 1 after 10 spins is a good idea. Its not too agressive like other progression strategies, myself i won't normally risk any kind of progression. But this type of progression you used is tempting, but i'm going along nicely without progression for now. Its nagging away at me now whether to do it. I'll give it a shot as a one off and see what happens.
Uly.
Hey Uly. It wins hard up 230u at Virtual City, looses hard, down 220 units. I dunno the 4&7 2&5 stop clicking after 'paper hits' (the numbers come in, but there's no chip there.) 13, 14, 20 spins later, no hits. There's got to be a stop loss of some safety measures put in. I was really hoping for the HG.
I tried the progression and it started off well, but then it cut my profit back quickly with numbers coming in too late 20 spins later and not at all. Going to stick with the sloth approach (betting low and stop betting if a repeat comes in and stopping after 15 spins if no repeat). Playing a cover bet on 22 and 20 at times with the 2 and 5, of what i can see is that if i don't get the repeat on 2 and 5 when 2 has come out. The 22, 20 are popping up. The 22 more than the 20. As for the HG it needs something more consistent so you can take bigger unit risks with it. Presently its a low betting option that works for me.
Uly.
How much bankroll for this system? I like to play with $200 but I think I can succeed with far less.
I start with $100 bankroll. With a max bet of $2 to $3. If I double bankroll then i'll up the bet to $3 to $5 and so forth. If on the other hand I lose the $100 i might play another $100, but 9 times out of 10 i will throw in the towel, take it on the chin and play another day. Touch wood that doesn't happen that often. I'm a great believer in betting low and taking the time to play a relitively small BR and try and nurse it along. Sounds a bit sad eh ha.
Maybe you won't have to throw in the towel with this idea I have.
Rotating Numbers: After 50 spins or so, spin without betting 30 times just to see which numbers hit the most, the bet on those for 50 spins, repeat 30x again. I also think having the third split availiable if 4/7,or 2/5 aren't hitting (you said you saw a lot of 20 and 30). If we can just catch the numbers as they warm up....
Is JHM ( Sam ) still around in the forum?
If you are mate, you did some tests on these system numbers for me
Quote2 and 5 on 1100 real spins (from Sam)
+66
You and proofreader (or anyone ) might like to test these number pairs ( 6 and 9 ) I think they are as good as the other two pairs in my opinion. Getting some amazing wins with these numbers. :yahoo:
Uly
Hey Uly. I'll test #6 and #9 for you
btw, good to see you back on again :)
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Test #1: #6 and #9 on RealTime Gaming Real money RNG (The Virtual Casino)
In 35 spins neither #6 or #9 hit.
....interesting....#5 hit three times and #2 hit three times within the same 35 spins.
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Test#2: #6 and #9 on AmigaDOS Real Money RNG (Pamper Casino, AlwaysCool Casino)
In 35 spins #6 hit once. #9 didn't hit
#2 hit twice in a row......#11 hit three times
Your Theory works for 7 and 4. But statistically it won't take you anywhere.
Tried with 100K random.org spins. My profit is 300+ (EU Wheel). What I understand from this test is that, it goes 1 step up and 1 step down.
Good observation though. :clapping:
Guys, the progression is OK but it is still RNG! that's why you started have bigger gaps between hits. Try it on real wheels. 2 or 4 number to bet is quite easy with progression. The RNGs repeats more often, therefore they would be optimal for the strategy but the casino's software cheating :diablo: is obvious. Another question: it is one or 2 zeros rulette? By the way I saw today in casino on roulette table 4 x 00 in row! and the idiots gamblers were pouring chips on the table like nothing happened. Casinos like dedicated players, especially on slots.
Cheers Hermes
Good points Hermes. I like honest real wheels, as difficult as they are to find in land based casinos and nearly impossible online (Dublinbet may be the closest online.--not acessible to USA players), so there is the RNG.
There could be a chance to win with tiny sessions (3 to 4 minutes at a time) on RNG playing Fouroulette and/or #2 and #5. I remember Uly saying when he comes upon a dry spell, he bets red/black for 60 spins or so, then begins a new session.
thanks for testing guys :good:
Proofreader, I tend to wait until I see a repeat or pair come in before playing. As there are lots of permutations/patterns that occur with some of these numbers. Like the number 4 also comes up as a pattern of 4, 6, 10 which I bet if I see two of the three numbers land.
And with the 6 or 9 it might permutate into 9, 19, 6, 16
The number 2 can often flow as 2, 20, 22
I've got quite good at seeing which way the numbers will fall. Wish it was an exact science, then I could bet huge, it's not but its as close as I have got to making a return on my real money play. I just keep siphoning a 20% bankroll profit and chipping away carefully each day.
Has anyone noticed a correlation with 18 and 33 28 and 11 ? I play these with good results too.
Uly
thought about testing this system on live dealer roulette actuals from the actuals section of forum.
These results are from jerome at a dublin bet casino nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/some-dublinbet-actuals-from-last-year-(-no-dealer-names-)/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/some-dublinbet-actuals-from-last-year-(-no-dealer-names-)/)
here is the results
It looks like you can play this system on both RNG and Live and get strong profit. Mind you it would take five times as long to play those numbers Live.
I would love to have seen session #2 at Dublinbet for real.
I was quite shocked and pleased at the live roulette results, am going to do some more live results checks from actuals to see if there is something in it. It's very similar to RNG roulette patterns, makes me wonder if the online casinos actually do use RNG's or if they use 'noise' as a random number sampler as Two cats believes to be the case. Would be amazing if we had found a true pattern in real randomness (anything is possible). I won't though, risk playing at a live wheel for a while, until I have number crunched my way through more of the live wheel actuals from different casinos. Will keep you posted on results.
Uly
P.S I agree, session #2 was a gem.
Took these results from 'John's number 8 System' recent post #31 of john1234.
These numbers are an ideal example to show how I play this four roulette system
No
33 trigger (un betted) 18, 33
30
10
25
23
22
6 trigger (un betted) 6, 9
31
24
18 trigger confirmed 18, 33
0
25
22
26
0
9 triger confirmed 6, 9
23
34
3
34
25
22
20
4 trigger (un betted) 4, 7
24
35
3
0
7 trigger confirmed
14
34
6 trigger bet 6, 9
4 trigger bet 4, 7
29
27
3
26
12
35
3
10
30
7 win $16
35
00
15
34 6, 9 lose (15 spins maxed out) -$30
32
33 (trigger bet 18 and 33)
4 trigger bet 4, 7
4 win $34
1
14
24
8
21
24
24
15
36
30
00
18 (win $8)
12
30
9 trigger bet 6, 9
9 win $34
32
33 (trigger 18 and 33)
28
34
18 (win $30)
00
27
24
+ $90 (flat betting)
Hi,
I live in the Caribbean these days so my brain has long since gone to pot, meaning that I leave any actual thinking in life to those with more ambition and grey cells. . . . . . .
But I am still a keen student of roulette in all its forms, except the russian version, so maybe I can add a few pointers on this subject as I would love one of you whizz kids to see if you can figure out an effective way to play this strategy.
What you are discussing here is what is called a 'sister' strategy, in other words two or more numbers linked together. Sometimes the link between them is hard to spot, hence i call them the ugly sisters but with others it is easier and the link is neat so these I call these the Cinderellas.
OK the Cinderellas are:
12 and 21
13 and 31
23 and 32
11, 22 and 33
8, 18 and 28
And the ugly ones are:
2 and 5
4 and 7
Now this next bit will make you laugh but is perfectly true. Playing online at Intercasino early last year following the strategy of when one of the sisters appears play both sisters until one wins, and combining this with a strategy of playing the 'finals' or 'finaals' or however you spell the damn things, I took 5,000 up to 45,000 in a few days. then of course I went all the way back down to 5,000 took it out and went on holiday. . . . to recover from all the stress. . .
The 'finals' part of the strategy was that quite often you will get this happening:
ABBA
ABAB
AABB
To decode boys and girls this means:
You get one of the 4s appearing for example. Then you get one of the 6s (6. 16. 26 or 36) and then another of the 6s, so so far you have ABB, so to complete the cycle you play the A again, in this example play all the 4s (4. 14. 24. 34).
I am sure you can figure out the rest.
Anyway on returning from my 5k holiday I went back to the drawing board by my swimming pool and refined my strategy to the one I play now and that is only to play the sisters once - in the spin immediately following the one in which the 1st sister shows. So if 13 shows just play 13 and 31 in the next spin then forget about them. . .
This works ok.
What might work better is to play only the last sister to show until one wins, in other words say you get an 8, so play all the 8s until it either wins or the 8s get usurped by another sister set, e,g the 12 shows so then stop playing the 8s and just play the 12 and 21 - with me? I have had fun with this strategy too. . .
I have many more thoughts and stuff about other strategies but errr, where do i put them up and how do I answer the queries which I would be happy to do. . . maybe someone can help me out here and email me??? My yahoo messenger is husky170264@yahoo. co. uk
All the best,
Ripple
Hello ripple, welcome the the saddle!
All roulette ideas welcome around. Thanks for sharing yours.
By the way, I'm in the line of thought that regardless of the numbers, it is TIMING on your events what matters, glad to see yours here.
Have a fine time with the forum.
Quote from: ripple on February 24, 2010, 02:28:52 PM
Hi,
I live in the Caribbean these days so my brain has long since gone to pot, meaning that I leave any actual thinking in life to those with more ambition and grey cells. . . . . . .
But I am still a keen student of roulette in all its forms, except the russian version, so maybe I can add a few pointers on this subject as I would love one of you whizz kids to see if you can figure out an effective way to play this strategy.
What you are discussing here is what is called a 'sister' strategy, in other words two or more numbers linked together. Sometimes the link between them is hard to spot, hence I call them the ugly sisters but with others it is easier and the link is neat so these I call these the Cinderellas.
OK the Cinderellas are:
12 and 21
13 and 31
23 and 32
11, 22 and 33
8, 18 and 28
And the ugly ones are:
2 and 5
4 and 7
Now this next bit will make you laugh but is perfectly true. Playing online at Intercasino early last year following the strategy of when one of the sisters appears play both sisters until one wins, and combining this with a strategy of playing the 'finals' or 'finaals' or however you spell the damn things, I took 5,000 up to 45,000 in a few days. then of course I went all the way back down to 5,000 took it out and went on holiday. . . . to recover from all the stress. . .
The 'finals' part of the strategy was that quite often you will get this happening:
ABBA
ABAB
AABB
To decode boys and girls this means:
You get one of the 4s appearing for example. Then you get one of the 6s (6. 16. 26 or 36) and then another of the 6s, so so far you have ABB, so to complete the cycle you play the A again, in this example play all the 4s (4. 14. 24. 34).
I am sure you can figure out the rest.
Anyway on returning from my 5k holiday I went back to the drawing board by my swimming pool and refined my strategy to the one I play now and that is only to play the sisters once - in the spin immediately following the one in which the 1st sister shows. So if 13 shows just play 13 and 31 in the next spin then forget about them. . .
This works ok.
What might work better is to play only the last sister to show until one wins, in other words say you get an 8, so play all the 8s until it either wins or the 8s get usurped by another sister set, e,g the 12 shows so then stop playing the 8s and just play the 12 and 21 - with me? I have had fun with this strategy too. . .
I have many more thoughts and stuff about other strategies but errr, where do I put them up and how do I answer the queries which I would be happy to do. . . maybe someone can help me out here and email me??? My yahoo messenger is husky170264@yahoo. co. uk
All the best,
Ripple
Hello Ripple
Your 'finals' strategy is ok. I play a different finals strategy that bears a relation to the ones you call the "ugly sisters".
I play this for (only when I am damn sure) the
[2] and [5] as a 'finals' set [2, 5, 20, 22, 25]
this for the [4] and [7]
[4, 7, 14 , 17, 24, 27] the [34] is a cover bet only.
Enjoy. (Note: this is only a small cog of a much larger strategy)
Welcome back Uly, I though you were holed up in the casino basement and managed to escape :laugh:
Seriously are you tweaking this system?
thanks for the welcome back PR
they took a hammer to my hands but it didnt hurt lol
currently working on catching more repeat combination patterns with no progression. will post you when I have finished. If I finish?
uly