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Hi guys

Im currently doing a test on the above system.

Rules are as follows:

1.         Br per session 50 units($250). Overall bank roll 3X min Banks (150 units or $750)
2.         Targets : 4 winning concatenated sessions of (15,16,18,19 units) before moving on to the 
            next level
3.         Starting with $5 per unit. Each increase in level $2.50.
4.         Stop for the day after losing 1 progression.
5.         On good days, play more sessions :D
6.         Wins are split : 50% into Bank 1 and 50% into Bank 2( up till a point whereby the minimum value
            bank is reached ie $250), further winnings are split into bank 3 and so on.
7.         Losses are taken solely from Bank 1. In the event that bank 1 is depleted, then move on to the
            Bank 2 and so forth.
8.         After a loss start again with minimum units

CHeers
Hamsup

Test results are as follows

[table=,]

Date, Sess, Unit, TAR(UNIT), Spins, Win/Loss, OverallW/L, OvBR,                     
                     
26/9, 1, 5,  15, 60, 95, 95, 845,
,2, 5,  16, 38, 80, 175, 925,
27/9, 3, 5,  18, 58, 65, 240, 990,
,4 , 5,  19, 47, 70, 310, 1060,
29/9, 5, 7.5,  15, 48, 135, 445, 1195,
, 6, 7.5,  16, 55, 120, 565, 1315,
30/9, 7, 7.5,  18, 58, 150, 715, 1465,
, 8, 7.5,  19, 54, 172.5, 887.5, 1637.5,
1-Oct, 9, 10,  15, 59, 40, 927.5, 1677.5,
2-Oct, 10, 10,  15, 50, 180, 1107.5, 1857.5,
, 11, 10,  16, 39, 130, 1237.5, 1987.5,
3-Oct, 12, 10,  16, 46, 90, 1327.5, 2077.5,
4-Oct, 13, 10,  18, 44, 190, 1517.5, 2267.5,


[/table]

Cheers
Hamsup

Wow, they are excellent results.

here's the Bank roll table

[table=,]

Date,   Sess,   OBR,   BANK1,   B2,   B3,   B4,   B5,   B6,   B7,
                           
                           
                           
26/9,   1,   845,   297.5,   250,   250,   47.5,         
26/9,   2,   925,   337.5,   250,   250,   87.5,         
27/9,   3,   990,   370,   250,   250,   120   ,      
27/9,   4,   1060,   405,   250,   250,   155   ,      
29/9,   5,   1195,   472.5,   250,   250,   222.5   ,      
29/9,   6,   1315,   532.5,   250,   250,   250,   32.5,      
30/9,   7,   1465,   607.5,   250,   250,   250,   107.5,      
30/9,   8,   1637.5,   693.75,   250,   250,   250,   193.75,      
1-Oct,   9,   1677.5,   713.75,   250,   250,   250,   213.75,      
2-Oct,   10,   1857.5,   803.75,   250,   250,   250,   250,   53.75,   
2-Oct,   11,   1987.5,   868.75,   250,   250,   250,   250,   118.75,   
3-Oct,   12,   2077.5,   913.75,   250,   250,   250,   250,   163.75,   
4-Oct,   13,   2267.5,   1008.75,   250,   250,   250,   250,   250,   8.75,


[/table]

Cheers
Hamsup

yeah shorty...

But its early days at the moment. We'll see how it goes.

Would be more fun if more people get involved though :D

Regards
Hams

Hi Hamsup, are you playing exactly as Lohnro described in the first thread or have you modified the system at all?

Regards

Clint

Hi clint

I play exactly the same way. Just end the session when u lose a progression.

Cheers
Hams

I know it's early days, but great results so far Hamsup! It'll be interesting to compare our results when we both reach a 100 sessions.

I can't get my simple head around your target method though, please could you explain in more detail. Are you aiming to win 15, then 16, then 18, then 19 units per session, and then raising your base unit by 2.5 after doing so?

Also, it seems you are playing well beyond your target in most sessions. Are you mostly quiting sessions only after you lose a progression or is that you are satisfied with your session profits?

Also, you say that you're quiting a session after losing a progression, but all your sessions have ended in profit, does that mean that so far you have never lost a progression before making enough profits to cover that loss, and still be in good profit. If so, that's pretty lucky going! I've seen some, but not many, sessions tank straight from the out ( or soon after), and I have to wait for 18 - 24 virtual losses before I bet again. I guess you'll hit these sessions soon enough.

Anyway, good work though!

Looking forward to hearing more about your MM and target methods.

Cheers,
CD 

Hi CD
I normally just go for 15($75) units for the 1st session, 16 for then 2nd, 18 for the 3rd and 19th for the 4th. As to why this figures are chosen its just random( or rather i cant park my ass down for more than 100 spins at a time :p)

After 4 winning sessions, ill move up to the next level and increase by $2.50 or 1.5 times the original unit value(5). After this, increase again after another 4 winning sessions. On a loss start at the minimum unit bank.

I normally quit if i lose one progression for the day :D. Lose the battle but WIN THE WAR lol. Battles can always be fought on another day.

You could try again on a different table i guess.. but wait at least a couple of hours. But again all this is your own preference. However like any system, this system would have days where it tanks as well. Just play less when it happens.

Oh btw, i only stop when my target is = or exceeded

With targets of around 15 to 20 units i find that u gain it pretty quickly say  around 40 - 100 spins.
20 units may seem like a little but hey at 5 bucks a pop its still $100. And as u see if u catch a good streak the profits snowball.


Hope this helps CD

Waiting to hear from your version  as well this could be a good thing i reckon.

Cheers
Hams

Hi Hammy - Thanks mate. I get it now...I wasn't reading your chart properly. I know what you mean about not wanting to spend too long at the table. I think after a certain amount of spins, aiming to break even is the best bet. When the table is not working for you, my experience tells me that this scenario is likely to continue, so it's best to make sure you either lose or win as little as possible and then quit the session while your BR is still reasonably healthy. Because I'm using Lanky's divisor, a smaller betting attack window, and virtual play after a loss, these dispersion surfing tactics mean my sessions will generally go on for longer than yours as I grind away. So for me, after about 100 to 150 spins without hitting my target, I start seeking an exit point.

I have not done any testing for a few days, but I will to get back on it very soon as I'm really liking the "feel" of this system and I do believe it could be a long term winner if played right.
Cheers
CD

Hi CD

no worries mate. How are u incorporating the lanky divisor into this betting scheme?  Any examples? Good luck on your testing!!!! ;D


Cheers
Hamsup

Hi Hams,

I'm putting the divisor up 1 after 8 real losses on a single line, and 4 on the doubles - obviously combining the 2 where neccessary. After a win, the divisor goes down 1.

Here's a recent session (I work out the divisor to assume that I'm always playing 2 double streets and half the calculated bet when playing a single street, so the calculated bet amount goes up in units of 2, always rounding upwards).

I haven't come accross this scenario yet, but if I lose 50% of my bank roll, I'm gonna experiment with jumping the divisor up by alot more to keep the bets down, and bet a minimum of 1 unit per street if neccessary. I know those hellish sessions will arrive eventually, so I'm looking forward to seeing how I can combat them with the divisor.

Here's a longish session where you can see the divisor in action while I recover from a loss quite nicely  8). I decided to quit before I hit my target because it felt like the safest option:

25 is my unit target

30   25/6=6   L3 (single street)
35   28/6=6   L3
14   31/6=6   L3
2   34/6=6   L3
17   37/6=8   L4
5   41/6=8   L4
20   VL   
6   VL   
15   VL   
32       
21   VL   
1   VL   
10   VH   
4   45/6=8   L8
26   53/7=8   W16
14   37/6=8   L4
28   41/6=8   W20
30   21/6=4   L2
21   23/6=4   L2
8   25/6=6   L3
15   28/6=6   L3
27   31/6=6   L3
0   34/6=6   L3
20   VL   
3   VL   
3   VL   
36   VL   
0   VL   
22   VL   
28   VL   
36   VL   
15   VH   
13   37/6=8   L8 (double street)
30   45/7=8   L8
20   53/7=8   L8
20   VL   
18   VL   
31   VH   
21   61/7=10   L5
0   66/7=10   L5
14   71/8=10   L5
14   76/8=10   L5
23   81/8=12   L6
7   88/8=12   L6
19   VL   
19   VL   
17   VL   
9   VL   
24   VL   
11   VL   
33      
3   VL   
11   VL   
33   VH   
27      
35      
19      
9      
18      
8      
15   94/8=12   W30
19      
29         
10   64/7=10   L5   
18   69/7=10   L5   
29   74/7=12   W30   
33         
2         
17   44/6=8   L4   
27   48/6=8   L4   
27   52/6=10   L5   
20   57/6=10   W25   
22   32/6=6   L3   
7   35/6=6   L3   
35   38/6=8   W20   
4   18/6=4   L2   
33   20/6=4   W10   15 PROFIT
11   10/6=4   L2   
34   12/6=4   L2   
11   14/6=4   L2   
18   16/6=4   L2   
0   18/6=4   L2   
15   20/6=4   L2   
17   VL      
21   VH      
25   22/6=4   W8   
20         
9         
18   14/6=4   L2   
26   16/6=4   W10   19 PROFIT




Cheers,
CD

hi cd,

thanks for the explanation. I see it now  ;D

Oh we play slightly different as well. I play 1 Ds for 12 spins and 2 for 6 ...

It'll be interesting to see the difference in our tallies. Anticipating great stuff from you.

Wonder when Sam will sink his teeth into this one.

Can we have more testers for this please?

Cheers
Hams

I have done quite a bit of testing on this.

will dig out results and post. on other machine.

cheers tuckster

regards
Hams

wow, good results man  :-)


BobbyBobby

cannot find my testing i did on this.

i think i have saved over the file.

will do some more.

i seem to remember that this did well in short term. if you carry on playing the loss will come. i think i recovered by playing with double bets. worked well but 1 session just kept losing.

i think the way this is played here is good and i wil test on next round of testing and post results.

Hay Hamsup

I am glad you are getting nice results mate.

Quote from: hamsup_sotong on October 05, 2008, 01:07:30 PMCan we have more testers for this please?

Cheers
Hams

I no longer test this system!!

I have tested this long enough to know that it is a winner for me and when I play it, I only play for real money!

Good Luck.

Good luck to you too Hammy & I'm pleased to hear Lohnro's comment!

Looking forward to hearing your results too tuckster.

Cheers,
CD

i have tested on first batch of numbers i keep for testing.

results as follows but first way i played. counted 18 spin. played if 1 or 2 2's appeared. as per original progression. on win. used last 12 and counted 6 more before getting a 2. If no 2's or if 3 2's - i used last 12 and counted another 6.

Some of my sessions did not complete since too short. i stopped on loss of 49 or 50. Flat bet only. Stopped on passing +17 or when sessions spins ended.

+16,
+17,
-40,
-45,
4
24
18
20
4
-50
19
20
-41
17
20

total +3.

Any PLus is gd tuck  :P

Ill be testing later today. Wish me luck. Cheers

Hams

Thanks to Lohnro for the system too as well as everyone else for their kind comments

Cheers to all
Hams

Latest session result. Stopped a little  short of target (18 units) as a had something else to do.


[table=,]
Date,   Sess,   Unit,   TAR(UNIT),   SP,   W/L,   OV W/L,
6-Oct,14,  10,   19, 56, 180, 1697.5,

[/table]

Corresponding table is as follows


[table=,]

Date,   Sess,   OVBR,   B1,   B2,   B3,   B4,   B5,   B6,   B7,
6-Oct, 14, 2447.5, 1098.75, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 98.75,

[/table]

Units will be increased by $2.50 on the next session to ($12.50)

Cheers
Hams

Results for test 15. I stopped early as i didnt really like the flow.

[table=,]

Date,   Sess,   Unit,   TAR(UNIT),   SP,   W/L,   OV W/L,
6-Oct,15,   12.5,   15, 53, 112.5, 1810,

[/table]

[table=,]

Date,   Sess,   OBR,   BANK1,   B2,   B3,   B4,   B5,   B6,   B7,
6-Oct, 15, 2560, 1155, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 155,


[/table]

Cheers
Hams

well - my testing on this suggests that you have been lucky to date.

i am currently testing this with a slightly bigger bank and an atilla type progression.

the theory i am using is that 9 from 10 will win. Look to recover losses with a slightly bigger bank / more aggressive bank.

i think that on a bad session there will be the scope to net a good win to get out. so even after say 3 losers in 10 efforts - the damage could be limited since there is the scope to land a big win rather than a small win.

im testing more - results are showing around 1u per spin on a good but not excellent set of spins. the ideal scenario is basically 9wins 1 loss, 9 wins 1 loss, 9 wins 1 loss or the statistical expectation for this and then you are quids in.....

oh well, ill take lucky any time of the day mate :D

Good luck with your further tests

Cheers
Hams

Test on 8 Oct Db table 1

[table=,]

Date,   Sess,   Unit,   TAR(UNIT),   SP,   W/L,   OV W/L,

8-Oct,16, 12.5,  15, 48, 225, 2035

[/table]

[table=,]

Date,   Sess,   OBR,   B1,  B7,  B8,

8-Oct, 16, 2785, 1267.5, 250, 17.5


[/table]

Please note: i'll only post the last 2 banks. In the above table, it means that B2-B6 are all $250(min bank)
                 each.


Side note: This system is working for me at the moment(Lucky me!!! :D). However, I'm not saying this is the grail or whatever. If anyone wants to take this up good luck to you. It may work or it may not. PLease do remember to play within your means.

Cheers
Hams

Hambonian.....

I was away a couple days and may have missed this.  Yes, I have looked!  Are you using any particular software?  Are you playing the mechanical side of it just as Lohnro wrote?

Good work, Brother!

Samster

Hi Sam

Im using Bjb's magic lines v2 as well as manual checking as well. Thanks for the props. Exactly the same as Lohnro mate. With my own target as well as session BRs.

Cheers
Hams

ride the wave.

i would be inclined to put more % into future bankroll. bankroll 1 is huge now and it continues to grow.

one heck of a drop on a loss. i would keep b/rolls but aim to double them now so all 500 rather than 250.

at some point you need to bank some winnings too - and this is one heck of a run. i would also consider banking bankroll 1 and restarting. easier said than done i know, but sooner or later that first loss has to come. doesnt mean it will fail. you could lose 6 bankrolls in a row with the best system ever. but sooner or later you always lose a bankroll. from 250 to here is a nice treat for the wife or something....

cheers for the advice tuckster

Regards
Hams

Hi sotong,

I'm from Malaysia too. Where do u usually play? Genting or online casinos?

Are you still testing this system?

Novo

hi novo,

Nope im not testing this anymore. Finished tests on it already. i play online nowadays. going up to genting soon though :D

cheers
hamsup

Hi Hamsup mate,

Are you now playing this with real money? If so, how's it going? I'm still testing.

Cheers,
CD

Wow Wee,

Finally I found someone who's like me(fr same country) who take casino games as an investment instead of blind gambling.

Is this system still giving u a constant profit? The results from your test and ChickenDinner's is enormous.

Which casino do u play online? Do you only play live or RNG also?

For the time being I only play at bet365 and only at its live games. Any other recommendations?

hi guys'

i normally play on dublinbet if i cant go live. Now im testing another system .. matty's one. However lohnro ds's still works for me. Its one system in an evergrowing arsenal!!!

cheers
Hamsup

Hamsup,

Do you mind sharing whats your longest losing sessions in a row using this DS system? As you say, u end a session after you reached the last bet of the progression. Has it ever depleted your bank1?

Novo

nope ... not so far

:D

hamsup