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Title: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on October 14, 2008, 08:43:38 AM
[Reposted because the previous post by sam was more than 120 days old]

Hi Spin,
here is my system:
try this I've been using this at the casino. Did very well thurs nite.
Root Groups:
1=1-10-19-28
2=2-11-20-29
3=3-12-21-30....this is the 1-2-3 Group

4=4-13-22-31
6=6-15-24-33
9=9-18-27-36...this is the 4-6-9- Group

5=5-14-23-32
7=7-16-25-34
8=8-17-26-35..this is the 5-7-8- Group

0-1-2-3..zero is not a root but include that number
4-6-9
5-7-8
When a root group hits within 3 spins, play that group for 4 spins. You
can't have 4 spins. Like 30-17-9-12. You have 30 & 12 both from 1-2-3 group but they are 2 spins apart. Roots can be no more than 1 spin
apart. You play the missing root of the group plus the root of the same
group before that hit. NOT the most recent. You are betting that
doubleroots do not show.
Example
10
24
12....here you play the 1-2-3 group. but you leave out the root 3 because
it just hit and play root 1 and Root 2 so you would play
1-10-19-28-2-11-20-29.

If you get a single number repeater or root repeater( ex, 8-17, 4-13 etc.) switch to that group and play
all 3 roots of the group.
21.....-is from grp-123
31.....-is from grp-469
35.....is from grp-578
28.....-grp-123..too many spins between 21 & 28
9........469........too many spins between 31 & 9
0.......123..OK we have 28 & 0 with 1 spin between. Start play.
7........lose
19......WIN..start over
18.......grp-469
9........-grp-469..play 469
24.......WIN
15.........start over grp 469
14.........grp 578
9............grp 469..play root 4 & 6 leave out root 9 because it just hit
13.......WIN
22.......469
30.......123
25.......578
31........469..2 SPINS BETWEEN 22 & 31 NO GOOD. Can only be 1 spin max
19.........123
7..........578
17..........578.. NOW PLAY 5&7
14.........WIN
Thanks!
CD

Did anybody improve this system? Last week I won 300 Units with this system :)

I narrowed down the #s in a google way of searching! (just added for fun)

1.First choose potential 12 #s
2. Look for the past two spins and narrow down the #s in the following way:
a) same color/O/E etc
b) With in the last two Dozens/coloumns etc.
You will be able to pick 4 #s easily.
Looking for suggestions and improvements
Thanks CD
Good luck to all
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: Clothdog on October 14, 2008, 11:03:31 PM
Hideseek,
I've been using this system with my own improvements which I didn't post. One I use is end digit. My last 6 trips in the last couple of weeks to the casino starting with a $100 br each time.
+1050..hitting like a charm
+475
+230
+350
-162...only time I had to reach in my pocket for more dough. I'm not a chaser
+105...quick hitter
= +2148
I played airball the other night and the 123 group hit 17/28 times! No one can tell me this is a fluke.
CD

Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: xman1970 on October 14, 2008, 11:09:39 PM
Great figures with such a small bankroll  :o :o

Long may it continue........ 8)


Good luck to you......[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hamsup_sotong on October 15, 2008, 03:11:03 AM
ooo nicely done guys.

What are the improvements you have made CD?

cheers
Hams
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on October 15, 2008, 07:48:59 AM
Hi CD,
       I amazed all my friends in the casino last week. Whatever the #s I was picking it was hitting within 5 spins. Very simple and very very effective system. You dont need paper and pen to chart! No need to worry about the security cameras!
How do you play the last digits? I am not getting much success with this approach. Yes you are right on multiple wins. But how to capture all those wins?

My way of play is if a group is chosen I always chose all the #s and narrow it down. Just one win stop and rechart. If no hit within 6 spins stop and rechart. No progression.
Here is what the #s posted by somebody in this forum RB_RNG_7-12-8. Analyzed google way!

Thanks
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: Natural9 on October 15, 2008, 08:39:35 AM
Cd  I tested your root methods awhile back it won for awhile then crashed it gets in bit of a ring where you change group and soon as you change the one you change from hits

Maybe I was testing it wrong but i never got near the results you are getting

Regards Rodney
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: Clothdog on October 15, 2008, 09:47:37 AM
rodney,
usually you will see where one group hits consistently and one is very cold. say the 123 group is  play a nd all of a sudden, numbers come up like 24-3-36. Well that would tell me to switch, but if I look at my numbers and see in the last 10-15 spins only 1 or 2 numbers or none have hit in that 469 group, I continue with the 123 group. You will find if you stay away from the cold group when it first shows you'll do ok. So one will be hot another will be not too far behind and the other will be extremely cold. When the cold one starts to hit a couple of times keep playing it regardless of 2/3. The airball I played the other night was unbelievable. The 123 group hit 17/28 times.  the numbers 12-3-30-12-28-19-23-21-20  7/8 hits. You just stay on it. It was uncanny. But one night the 578 group was so hot I just kept playing it and ran an $800 br to $4500.  sometimes you will get a table where everything is spread even but not very often.
cd
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: Clothdog on October 15, 2008, 11:52:49 PM
i went to the casino tonite. I was standing at a table where the marquee was broken but I noticed this guy had the last two numbers written down as 5, 32. I looked at the marquee on the other table and the last 3 numbers were 7-25-34. I immediately asked the dealer for $5 units. Seeing the 5-32 triggers the 578 group. But since i saw the 7's hit on the other table I put $5 down on 7-16-25-34. First spin BANG! # 7 hits! I collected 35 nickels and cashed out only to find that #7 hit again on the very next spin! that's what I get for not letting it ride!
CD
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on October 16, 2008, 09:39:50 AM
Hi Bro,
Oh That was awsome.
This grouping works for RNG also. Thats amazing. :)
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: MadMan on October 16, 2008, 02:19:17 PM
This will not work. Every win with this system is a Fluctuation.
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: Boo_Ray on October 16, 2008, 03:38:45 PM
Sry to post that but here(first try) we would hit loss limit of 100units
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on October 21, 2008, 10:49:04 AM
I agree with your BBT chart. But in real play, CD's root system gave me better and consistent return than any other system posted in this forum.  Last week I won over 2K from 400 BR!
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: MadMan on October 21, 2008, 11:22:33 AM
Pure luck! Nice!
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: Sedated on October 21, 2008, 07:42:48 PM
How do you play for 4 spins without a progression and make money? 
With 1$ units... 12 numbers X 4spins = 48.  I must have missed something.
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on October 22, 2008, 06:44:11 AM
Hi Sedated,
               I wont play 12 #s. It is usually 4-6 #s for 4 spins. Do some experiments, u will eventually comeup with an optimum play. I look for same colums or same dozens etc.
HS
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on October 31, 2008, 10:02:17 AM
Still testing. I am not sure how to [attach=#]post the BBT chart here. Chart says "target roulette" actually it is not. I am testing a variation of CD's root system. I will post it soon.
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Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on October 31, 2008, 11:12:12 AM
Still testing ::)
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on November 19, 2008, 10:21:42 AM
Here is the variation:

If any root repeats within 4 spins, play all that root #s for 8 spins with flat bet. If no hit you can double your bet & go upto 16th spin. Stoploss is 16th spin. Last week I won $1000 from a BR of 200!
Test it before playing with real money. Good for RNG also.
Can anybody  code this for RX?
Thanks
HS

Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hamsup_sotong on November 19, 2008, 02:47:18 PM
hey hs, does the 16 spins apply for all roots? if not more spins for root 7-9?

cheers
Hams
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on November 19, 2008, 04:11:18 PM
Its for all roots. Some time the dragdown will be much more than 36 spins. So I decided to put a stoploss at 16th spin.
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: spiker21 on November 21, 2008, 12:31:22 AM
Can you clarify exactly what you play hideseek. Thanks.
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on November 21, 2008, 03:17:38 PM
Hi Spike,
            Waite for a digital root to repeat 2 times within 4 spins. Play that digital root.
For eg:
Spin                   Root
24      6
32      5------------>
28      1
32      5------------> Repeats start betting on 5,14,23 & 32
15      6
9      9
33      6
33      6
29      2
23      5---------------> win

etc.
Drwback of this method is sometime that particular digital root sleeps more than 24 spins!


Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: Clothdog on November 21, 2008, 11:29:22 PM
my original way is still the best way to play the method.
cd
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: eightfour on November 23, 2008, 07:02:23 PM
What am I doing wrong? Am I on a bad streak or do I just play it wrong?



N#  Gr    Action
0   0   
36   9   
9   9   
30   3   Bet on 7-8
31   4   loss rebet
2   2   loss rebet
18   9   loss rebet
6   6   loss rebet
12   3   loss give up
23   5   Bet 8 on 4-6
23   5   loss rebet
10   1   loss rebet
14   5   loss rebet
20   2   loss rebet
19   1   loss give up bet 2-3
18   9   loss rebet
16   7   loss rebet
8   8   loss rebet
6   6   loss rebet
15   6   loss gu
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: Gavioli on November 23, 2008, 07:24:17 PM
Quote from: eightfour on November 23, 2008, 07:02:23 PM
What am I doing wrong? Am I on a bad streak or do I just play it wrong?



N#  Gr    Action
0   0   
36   9   
9   9   
30   3   Bet on 7-8
31   4   loss rebet
2   2   loss rebet
18   9   loss rebet
6   6   loss rebet
12   3   loss give up
23   5   Bet 8 on 4-6
23   5   loss rebet
10   1   loss rebet
14   5   loss rebet
20   2   loss rebet
19   1   loss give up bet 2-3
18   9   loss rebet
16   7   loss rebet
8   8   loss rebet
6   6   loss rebet
15   6   loss gu


You re doing it wrong. It is like these:

N#  Gr    Action
0   0
------------   
36   9   
9   9
-------------bet 9   
30   3   L
31   4   L
2   2   L
18   9   W
6   6   
12   3
----------   
23   5   
23   5
---------- bet 5   
10   1      L
14   5      W
20   2   
19   1
----------bet 1   
18   9   L
16   7   L
8   8   L
6   6   L
15   6   L

In the end it will lose anyway. There are better methods to play figures.

AG
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: eightfour on November 23, 2008, 07:46:12 PM
Very confused.

Isn't that oposite of what CD explained? Weren't you supposed to bet on the two groups in the root group that didn't appear last?

Eightfour
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: InfinitySquared on November 23, 2008, 08:36:01 PM
Quote from: eightfour on November 23, 2008, 07:46:12 PM
Very confused.

Isn't that oposite of what CD explained? Weren't you supposed to bet on the two groups in the root group that didn't appear last?

Eightfour

I think that's right. You wait until a root has appeared twice within 3 spins. Then you bet on the other 2 roots in that root group for 4 spins. If a root or a number repeats you bet all three root groups.

Here's how I would have played it:


ROOT   ROOT GROUP         
            
1   1   10   19   28
2   2   11   20   29
3   3   12   21   30
            
4   4   13   22   31
6   6   15   24   33
9   9   18   27   36
            
5   5   14   23   32
7   7   16   25   34
8   8   17   26   35


N#  Root  Root Group   Action
0      0       (123) 
36    9       (469)
9      9       (469) < Root repeater - Bet all three root groups (469) for four spins.
30    3       (123)           L   
31    4       (469)          W (469 appeared again, root 4 has just hit so we bet on roots 6 & 9)
2     2        (123)          L  (We could start betting on the 123 roots but I'd stick with the 469 root for the next 3 spins)
18    9       (469)          W (1 spin between the 469 roots again, I'd play them again. The numbers seem hot. This time we leave out the 9 root since it just hit. We are betting on 4 & 6.)
6     6        (469)         W - start over.
12    3   
23    5        (578)
23    5        (578) < Root repeater - Bet all three root groups (578) for four spins.
10    1        (123)         L
14    5        (578)        W (578 appeared again, root 5 has just hit so we bet on roots 7 & 8
20    2        (123)         L  (We could start betting on the 123 roots but I'd stick with the 578 root for the next 3 spins)
19    1        (123)         L  (I would have won if I'd swiched, but both groups are hot so it's hard to make a choice. You could always play both at the same time).
18    9        (469)       
16    7        (578)        W
8     8   
6     6         (469)
15   6         (469) < Root repeater - Bet all three root groups (469) for four spins.
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: eightfour on November 23, 2008, 11:44:14 PM
Thank you InfinitySquared.

That clarified a lot for me. I still can't get to win consistently with this system. It goes very much up and down and sometimes evens out. I guess you need a lot of luck for this if I haven't missed something essential.

I'm not that good in using the hot zones. Sometimes it's hard to choose. If I bet 3 groups at once, is it recommended to spin it for 3 or 4 times if no hit?

Eightfour
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on November 24, 2008, 11:31:25 AM
Hi 84 & others,
        No system is there which can beat roulette consistently. All you can do is have some fun and try to break even!CD's root group is sofar the best group to experiment(to my liking ofcourse). Goahead experiment with it and keep posting here. We all love to see your experiments also.

So far I hve completed 3 experiments with limited success. One posted on the first page, which gave me ~ $700. The 2nd is to play only 4 #s, which gave me ~ 1000. The 3rd I will post it soon with a BR chart.

Good luck


Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: InfinitySquared on November 24, 2008, 02:51:43 PM
Now this time I need some help.  ;D

When I've been playing I have always (perhaps wrongly?) assumed that I can only bet on a root/root group if; there is one spin between the numbers, or, the numbers are root repeaters.

Like this:

8<
13
7< Both are from the 578 group, with one spin between them so I can bet on roots 5 & 8.

18
5 <
5 < Root repeater, bet all three roots (578).


Here are some actuals from Dublin Bet:

#   Root   Root Group

8   8   578 <
25   7   578 < Same root group, not root repeaters.
21   3   123 <
1   1   123 < Same root group, not root repeaters.
9   9   469
7   7   578 <
35   8   578 < Same root group, not root repeaters.
20   2   123

Could I bet on 578/123 or is that against the rules?

With the assumption that I couldn't bet these numbers, that meant I couldn't bet for at least those 8 spins.

After this, when I resumed betting, I encountered 8 losses in a row.

Has anyone else noticed that, if you have a period where you can't make any bets, you then experience lots of losses? I'm just trying to work out a point where it would be good to walk away and return later.
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on November 25, 2008, 09:08:28 AM
Hi Infinity,
             I would ve played with the originals as indicated bellow. Some time the system drags you down. No win for 6 spins. That is why I was trying to reduce the betting #s to 4-6 .

#   Root   Root Group

8   8   578 <
25   7   578 < Same root group, not root repeaters. Bet on 5 &7  
21   3   123 <
1   1   123 < Same root group, not root repeaters.
9   9   469
7   7   578 < win and  start over  
35   8   578 < Same root group, not root repeaters.
20   2   123

Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: InfinitySquared on November 25, 2008, 10:22:52 AM
Quote from: hideseek on November 25, 2008, 09:08:28 AM
Hi Infinity,
             I would ve played with the originals as indicated bellow. Some time the system drags you down. No win for 6 spins. That is why I was trying to reduce the betting #s to 4-6 .

#   Root   Root Group

8   8   578 <
25   7   578 < Same root group, not root repeaters. Bet on 5 &7  
21   3   123 <
1   1   123 < Same root group, not root repeaters.
9   9   469
7   7   578 < win and  start over  
35   8   578 < Same root group, not root repeaters.
20   2   123



I would have bet 5 & 8 because the original rules were to bet 578 minus the group that just hit. I would've lost though.  :D

Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: Clothdog on November 25, 2008, 11:25:04 AM
IS,
really you can make your own rules. those were mine.I just found that these groups seem to hit in streaks. test and see what works for you.
cd
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on November 27, 2008, 11:48:06 AM
oops! that was typo error. As per CD's guide line we will be betting on 5 & 8 only, not 7.
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: pighead on December 04, 2008, 03:52:10 AM
Quote from: clothdog on October 14, 2008, 11:03:31 PM
Hideseek,
I've been using this system with my own improvements which I didn't post. One I use is end digit. My last 6 trips in the last couple of weeks to the casino starting with a $100 br each time.
+1050..hitting like a charm
+475
+230
+350
-162...only time I had to reach in my pocket for more dough. I'm not a chaser
+105...quick hitter
= +2148
I played airball the other night and the 123 group hit 17/28 times! No one can tell me this is a fluke.
CD



Clothdog,

I am trying to understand the logics behind the design of the root groups and number of bets.

can you please explain  more about the system,

thank you in advance
PH
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on December 05, 2008, 12:11:24 PM
It's CD's observation over a period of 1 Yr!
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: pighead on December 05, 2008, 01:13:03 PM
Quote from: hideseek on December 05, 2008, 12:11:24 PM
It's CD's observation over a period of 1 Yr!

Does it mean that the method only apply to the roulette he used?   :o :o
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on December 05, 2008, 01:33:54 PM
I beleive you are asking about european/american roulette? It applies even to  RNG. I won good amount of money in Rapid roulette also.
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: pighead on December 05, 2008, 02:34:45 PM
Quote from: hideseek on December 05, 2008, 01:33:54 PM
I beleive you are asking about european/american roulette? It applies even to  RNG. I won good amount of money in Rapid roulette also.

I do not trust RNG. my experience told me that it seems like it recognize player's betting pattern and it adjusts the algorithms.

It is easy to play at the beginning and it gets harder and harder. I lost quite a bit of money in RNG
Title: Re: Clothdog's Root system----- Google way
Post by: hideseek on December 05, 2008, 07:47:59 PM

RNG's are very tough to win. But I wont agree with you on
Quoteit seems like it recognize player's betting pattern and it adjusts the algorithms.
. Are you able to beat RX? If your system is not beating RX then you wont be able to beat casion's RNG.