People on this forum are excited about the GUT. Winkel has a system that has raised a lot of eyebrows, moreover Winkel is a high-profile personality here.
I've also noticed that others have posted their systems here and while haven't made the splash that GUT has, warrant merit. Because of the lack of attention, may discourage new members (and new ideas).
I remember it being posted by someone here that if the system doesn't make a lot of money at once that they aren't considered good.
Where are the new ideas here? Can't old systems be improved?
Hi Proofreader,
There is room for any system to be posted and discussed. Some are work in progress and fail to develop as expected. Winkel has a brilliant system - it is no surprise that his GUT post is so popular - his high profile is well deserved. The "raised eyebrows" belong to begrudgers in my opinion. That aside, I believe that new members are inspired by such work. It sets a high standard for the rest of us - that can only lead to equally good or better systems/posts in the future.
Best regards
Proof
If anyone thinks they are going to win day in and day out, they are just working under an illusion.
While right now I'm hot on the G.U.T. that is in no way to diminish the 4Selecta or my Chicco/murph system. I do what I do for fun and enjoyment of life. If I enjoy this, I do this. That, I do that.
Few people would endure what it takes to grind out a profit at roulette. Even fewer would put down the kind of money it would take to have a decent R.O.I.
Few have the bankroll to sustain losses when the bets are substantial and probably even fewer could plunk it down when the heat is on. So few win!
I played me arse off today and lost big time. Will I recover? Sure. At the end of the month, I may be up a hundred units. Pretty poor pay!
Newcomers: If it's not fun, get out!
Oops! I was going to post less!! My fingers got the better of me![smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]
Sam
Hi proofreader,
I never tried to be a star on the forum, I just posted my idea.
that it is the most-read and most-replied is my fault okay.
But what would be a solution to give space to other people and their ideas?
- I could quit or
- I could be banned or
- the topic could be removed
if that would be a win to others - it´s okay for me
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winkel
or is the G.U.t a win to others [smiley=3/whistle.gif]
I am glad that you posted GUT, Winkel. I just didn't want those who had ideas to be discouraged and not post their systems. Moreover, I didn't want someone who wished to join the forum to be intimidated into not joining.
Roulette is a team sport. (IMHO)
QuoteWinkel has a brilliant system
What is brilliant about it? It loses in the long run.
Hi Herb,
The brilliant thing about it is - it wins! consistently! - it is an imaginative creation, it is a very new and original concept. My opinion which was formed as a result of testing - tedious I know, call me old fashioned if you like. Or call me open mided if you want to flatter me!
The "math guys" have proved that it is impossible for the bumble bee to fly! Wing span, body weight, air displacement etc. Those that can, do. Those that can't teach (and pontificate = blow off a lot of hot smelly wind).
Your Number One Fan
Coolpaddy
For starters, math people didn't say it was impossible for either bees or hummingbirds to fly. They said they weren't sure how they could fly until they gained more information. Now, they can successfully explain both.
Secondly, KonFuSed already tested over a million trials and proved the method performs as a long term loser.
Hi Herb,
I prefer to use my own judgement, based on my own assessment of the information available, new and old. I value the opinions of experts (such as yourself) who have dedicated themselves to exploring and discovering new horizons (if any exist?). I know for certain that without such dedicated and tireless workers as yourself we would still be living on a flat planet earth - that the wheel would be a fanciful flight of imagination! That the internet would be a newfangled (and highly suspicious) device for catching fish!
I beseech you once again, to please repost your own first masterpiece on mastering and profiting from playing roulette. I can't find it anywhere!
Your Number One Fan
Coolpaddy
I beseech you once again, to please repost your own first masterpiece on mastering and profiting from playing roulette. I can't find it anywhere!
I would love to see this, also.
Anyone else?
Sam
Re: THE TWOCAT POOP ON DEALER SIGNATURE
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2008, 06:21:44 PM »
Does this count?
Hi Herb,
Don't be shy! I want to read your original masterpiece. You are such a renowned expert and creative genius that all of your original work needs to be treated with the respect it deserves.
The "math people" did scientifcally prove that it was impossible for the bumble bee to fly. They conceded that seeing is believing however, and following a period of study, observation, and analysis were able to revise some of their misguided theories. You epitomise that same spirit of exploration, discovery and open mindedness. When you have conducted your own study, observation (seeing and believing) and analysis of Winkel's system I have no doubt that you will dazzle us with your expert explaination of why it works.
Make us all very happy - repost your original masterpiece.
Your number One Fan
Coolpaddy
I already posted where you can find it above.
Regarding Winkel's Gut system: KonFuSed already tested it. Why would I want to test it again when he has already tested it over one million trials?
Hi Herb,
Give us a link to your masterpiece - not an isolated reply to someone else's work/post.
Do your own testing and see if your outcome is the same as Konfused or Winkel's buddies who tested ten million spins. Take the consensus of positive feedback rather than focusing on one negative. Speak to us with the benefit of real experience of testing or playing the system. Then dazzle us with full details of your own system - you are our guru!
I can't wait to test your system - the work of a true genius!
Your Number One Fan
Coolpaddy
I've posted the link to where you can find it.
Re: THE TWOCAT POOP ON DEALER SIGNATURE
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2008, 06:21:44 PM »
Hi Herb,
I like that reply (your masterpiece) - it is a subject which you have studied, researched and tested in depth. Your opinion, conclusions and views carry a lot of weight - you have the benefit of experience, and no doubt you are expert in that field. Apart from ballistics, wheel bias etc there are other areas of roulette which are being tested and developed by other members who can rightly be called expert also. Some mutual respect would benefit everyone.
That reply ought to be posted as a topic in it's own right. You are indeed a biased guru!
Your Number One Fan
Coolpaddy
Thanks.
personally im not to keen on winkel's system either, although its an inventive method and im sure it works, its to much work and tracking for me, and i lost 100 with it so i was put off, i have found something better i believe, that produces bigger profits, is totally mechanical and very simple to play
Quote from: ryan08 on October 23, 2008, 06:11:16 PM
personally im not to keen on winkel's system either, although its an inventive method and im sure it works, its to much work and tracking for me, and I lost 100 with it so I was put off, I have found something better I believe, that produces bigger profits, is totally mechanical and very simple to play
Personally,I feel the GUT works but only an experienced player who plays it everyday like winkel can benefit from it constantly,beginner will need some hard work to go to advanced level
G.U.T. really isn't that hard. For the tracking you can use droidman's software. It's great, tracks the crossings and shows the numbers. All you need is some interest, effort and time. Then you'll master this (the base) within a few days.
Than start playing live in a casino like dublinbet, where you can play live in fun mode.
That's the whole point of this post. While Herb may criticize Winkel, there is method to his madness. None of us need to be complacent about finding the 'Holy Grail'. GUT can be improved upon, just as any system. It would be nice if there were more people daring to improve on Winkel's creation.
2009 is coming. We should have the Holy Grail by January :)
while the G.U.T is good the holy grail (by this i mean a definate long term winner) is much simpler, trust me
Using Track4....
Look at the leftmost number. Subtract one from it. Keep those two numbers in your mind. Move your eyes to the right. Are either there? No? Go the the number to the right of the leftmost number and do the same. And so on....
If you do it a few hours, you can see crossings jump off the page! Well, screen!
I see 12.....I'm looking 12 and 11.
Sam
Hi Sam,
Just to see if i am on the right track, According to spin #: 24 which is 18, we had a crossing of 17 in 0 - 1, checking visual with the text file, betting on # 17 from extract 18, 17 hit 9 spins later.
Would this be correct?
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi515.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft359%2Fmxkid77%2FGUTTrack4.jpg&hash=7f051355e22678145f4d761f4b7ac9624d834595)
No. You should bet 2 times. Than wait untill a new crossing comes and play.
Originally posted by winkel.
17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4
36/numbers=times to bet (use first number only; 3,5 = 3)
stop at >39
otherwise play till spin 50, no stopploss no limit
we rebet a crossing as lon as it is alive
15-14 moves to 15-13 stop betting
15-14 stays 15-14 rebet (once see above)
especially later in the spins when bet 0vs2 appear:
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-8 loss stopp betting
9-9
9-8
9-7 stopp
9-8 (a 1 has hit) start betting max 4times again
Quote from: MXkid77 on October 24, 2008, 04:51:42 AM
Hi Sam,
Just to see if I am on the right track, According to spin #: 24 which is 18, we had a crossing of 17 in 0 - 1, checking visual with the text file, betting on # 17 from extract 18, 17 hit 9 spins later.
Would this be correct?
:D :D :D :D
sorry you got it absolutely wrong.
don´t bet number "17" ;D
bet the 17 numbers that haven´t hit til then.
31 loss
9 hit
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winkel
btw
I notice that G.U.T is discussed soon in every other topic. we shouldn´t mess around like that. Please ask in one of the Threads that have GUT in their names.
Thanks JHM & Winkel,
Winkel, i see know what you mean, i would be focusing on the 0: at the top reading to the right, betting on 0,5,6,9,11,12,13,14,16,19,21,22,23,25,27,28,36 to hit, how many spins?
Sorry, did'nt mean to turn this into another GUT thread, just wanted to see if i had a grasp on the track4.exe. Will scan the GUT threads if i need anything further.
Thanks for the help, much appreciated
GUT is fine. I wished there was a way of taking the guesswork out of it. Like the messages in Roulette Sniper which tell you when to bet when there is a crossing or when to 'jump'.
Quote from: coolpaddy on October 23, 2008, 05:20:49 PM
Hi Herb,
I like that reply (your masterpiece) - it is a subject which you have studied, researched and tested in depth. Your opinion, conclusions and views carry a lot of weight - you have the benefit of experience, and no doubt you are expert in that field. Apart from ballistics, wheel bias etc there are other areas of roulette which are being tested and developed by other members who can rightly be called expert also. Some mutual respect would benefit everyone.
That reply ought to be posted as a topic in it's own right. You are indeed a biased guru!
Hi coolpaddy,
please note that this is not his own development
What he claims to be his idea is nearly as old as the game of roulette itself.
br
winkel
Hi Winkel,
I know that the reply is just skimming the surface - it is not a topic I would expect to be discussed fully or analysed in detail on a public forum. The reply is just the starting point - I am certain that Herb has considerable expertise and experience in that field. I challenged and he replied - I acknowldge gracefully.
I was hoping for a different outcome to the challenge - the result is far better.
That is his specialised area of activity. I acknowledge and respect that. I acknowledge and respect your expertise in your specialised area of activity.
Mutual respect and acknowledgement is a far better catalyst for meaningful discussion and advancement than negative point scoring - this could be a good time for all of us to move on.
Best regards
I'm starting to see new systems emerge on the forum. I am also glad to see the new members with their new ideas. Looks like 2009 is going to be a great year.
I'm also looking forward to having "winning too much" problems at the casino. You don't want them to "eagerly anticipate you" knowing you lose big!!