Well whats your opinion, is it and do you know how to play random against random.
I have run some test and getting nice results like WWWWWWWLLLWLLLWWWLWLWWWLWW
I think random against random can do as well as any system on this forum but its just my humbel opinion.
Cheers LS
What do you mean with random? Just playing some?
Play 18 numbers
Play 5 numbers
Play 1-18
Play Black
Play Odd
Something like that?
So we can test that, lets take EC and I run 300 every day, random against random.
And you pick any system for the EC and run them for 300 every day.
Then we will see if there is a differens :)
Cheers LS
Quote from: lucky strike on October 24, 2008, 10:36:29 AM
So we can test that, lets take EC and I run 300 every day, random against random.
And you pick any system for the EC and run them for 300 every day.
Then we will see if there is a differens :)
Cheers LS
Random can be anything. You don't think when you bet? You just bet like 50 on red?
QuoteYou don't think when you bet?
I did not say that but I am saying you can just follow the wheel and pick trails randomly and play with or against them.
JHM this is how it looks like when you play random against random.
nolinksnolinkswlnolinkswlnolinkswlllnolinkslllnolinkswwl
You can pick any thing based upon 1/2 and the result will be the same.
You could pick and write down reds and black from you head and it will still be the same thing.
I think we could be in a coffe chop and look at the cars that pass by and write down there number plates numbers and play aginst odd/even and still beat the game :)
JHM its just my humbel opinion...
I am just trying to explore the law of nature and the distribution of events.
So if a past window is based upon a gamblers fallacy, it should not matter how we would use a past window, the result should be the same.
We have a 50/50 situation no matter what the previos has been, but no one can explain how its a conflict aginst the law of series and its distribution, I like that, I explore that, repeats and non repeats can come in many differnt shapes, depending on how you see things.
LS
Please explain
nolinksnolinkswlnolinkswlnolinkswlllnolinkslllnolinkswwl
I see you're winning much more than losing (when flat betted). You watch the table?
R
R
R
B
B
B -> you play black to break the trend or red to go with the flow?
JHM the thing is I dont want any casino staff get there hand on this.
This is what will happen, I think, you will hovering at 50% or you will hit a ratio above 50%.
Thats my humbel opinion.
Here you have the result for 300 trails, random against random.
nolinksnolinkswlnolinkswlnolinkswlllnolinkslllnolinkswwllwlnolinkslwlwwlwlllwwllwlllnolinksnolinkswwlnolinkswlwlwl
I am still experementing with this and explore the idea and I have to say it looks good, its just needs more testing.
I want to see how it peforms when you get some serios fluctation.
47 won
26 loss
Cheers LS
I understand. The only thing we want is the casino to pay us :)
JHM i will test this futher and use the ESTAT to messurment the results.
LS
An excellent method for measurement is the Estat, for the even money chances.
When you make a test to gain the Estat you have to flat betting, use masse egale.
Its not valid for progressions,
The formula is easy and simpel to use.
To get your Estat you just divide the numbers of won units by the root from the placed bets.
If you can get a value of 2,5 then you have a great method.
If you succed to get 3,0 or above then you will not have any worrys any more.
Assume that you would succed to get a Estat of 6,0 then you would beat the game permanently.
Cheers LS
Here is a short test, i will continue...
Trngs 070101
nolinksnolinkswlnolinkswlnolinkswlllnolinkslllnolinkswwllwlnolinkslwlwwlwlllwwllwlllnolinksnolinkswwlnolinkswlwlwl
47 won
26 loss
Trngs 070102
lwlwllnolinkswlllwlwllwllwlwllnolinkswwlwlllwlwlwlwwlllwlllwlnolinksl
27 won
29 loss
Quote from: lucky strike on November 01, 2008, 08:56:24 AM
Here is a short test, I will continue...
Trngs 070101
nolinksnolinkswlnolinkswlnolinkswlllnolinkslllnolinkswwllwlnolinkslwlwwlwlllwwllwlllnolinksnolinkswwlnolinkswlwlwl
47 won
26 loss
Trngs 070102
lwlwllnolinkswlllwlwllwllwlwllnolinkswwlwlllwlwlwlwwlllwlllwlnolinksl
27 won
29 loss
Hello Lucky,
How does this work?looks interesting and the results look cool as well
Hello Lucky
Thanks again for your new idea and suggestion. It looks interesting and make sense to me.
By the way do you stop betting and go virtual after 3 consecutive losses ? I noticed that your maximum losses in your short test never goes above 3. I will commence testing soon on this idea of yours.
Thanks & Regards
sniper
Thanks.
I have been getting PMs regarding this, and I just have to say I will send it to any one how wants it.
When I am done, you see I am just experementing with educated guess work and random against random.
I havent a complete strategy for it, I just try to develop a new idea to hovering around 50% or hit a ratio above 50%.
It is just so many ways you can try to do just that.
So when I have more to add to this I will post it here.
The thing is, I have to run some things using RX before I will know that my concept will cut it.
I would not like to tell you some thing that has not been tested first.
LS
Well I just want to see if I could find a difference if I use our regular system for EC or play random against random.
Here you can see for your self.
I use the same files, TRNGs 070101 and 070102.
Random against random.
nolinksnolinkswlnolinkswlnolinkswlllnolinkslllnolinkswwllwlnolinkslwlwwlwlllwwllwlllnolinksnolinkswwlnolinkswlwlwl
47 won
26 loss
Trngs 070102
lwlwllnolinkswlllwlwllwllwlwllnolinkswwlwlllwlwlwlwwlllwlllwlnolinksl
27 won
29 loss
Regular system.
wwlwlnolinkslwllnolinkswwlnolinksllwwlllwwlwwlllwwlwwlwlwllwwllnolinkslwlwlllwlwwlwwllllwlllllwllwllwlw
43won
43loss
wwllwwllwlwlnolinkswlwwllnolinkslllwlllwwlwlwlwlllwlwlnolinksllwwlwwlwwllllwwlnolinksnolinkswlwlwllnolinkswlllwlwlwlwwllll
50won
46loss
Ass you can see it does not matter, you can hovering around 50% using both ways.
The question is if you know how to take care of loses when fluctuation hits you.
So if you want to try to hit an ratio above 50% then you can let your first win ride to hit a strike distribution or end as an attempt WL.
LS
Hello Lucky Strike
QuoteHi this is only a thought.
24 numbers bet is not familiarly thing for me.
But I thought I give it a try to track and make a bet selection for it.
Now there is shapes/figure and patterns.
I am going to list the shapes for dozen and column.
There is only 5, one cycle.
ABC, is any of 123.
1: AAA
2: ABB
3: AAB
4: ABA
5: ABC
AAA could be 111, 222 or 333 its the figure of 3 in a row ABB could be 122 311 233.
Do you get the picture...
Now we will only play 2 shapes - ABB ABA.
So if we get AA 2 of the same we dont play.
If we get AB or BA we play.
Then the cycle will be 3:
1: ABB
2: ABA
3: ABC
If we get abc then we will lose because we play that the firs 2 will continue to appear.
Is the above bet selection based on dozens from your previous post considered random selection?
Thanks & Regards
sniper
No dozen, I just run some red and blacks to see if there was any difference, 1/2 even money bets.
LS
Thanks Lucky
How do we actually generate a random bet selection and meantime keep the fluctuation as low as possible? If it is not convenience for you to mention in public its OK. Anyway if you don't mind I just need some guide line and suggestion from you so I can start experimenting.
rgds
sniper
Sniper I have sent you an PM.
Just want to mention this section is for gambling framework, so i just made a tiny post to see if any one would argue with me, about if there exist an difference using a regular system or play random against random.
I don't think it does.
LS
Thank you very much Lucky
I will look through it.
rgds
sniper
Hi I just woundering if periodic events works, I have been experementing with it before, its like when you hit a wave you just try to hit once after a virtual win.
Now we have FTL, DBL and OLD.
I test OLD just with a short sampel to see for fun what kind of results we could get.
Trngs 070101
wwlnolinksllnolinksnolinksnolinkslwlwlwwlwlwl
20 won
9 loss
Trngs 070102
lwlwlllnolinkswlwwllw
9 won
8 loss
Trngs 070103
lwwlnolinksnolinkswlnolinkslwlwwlllw
15 won
8 loss
So we got a total of 44 wins and 25 loses, that was fun I will run 3 more...
This is so fun because nothing is due but still we know what we can expect if the law of series exist.
So if fluctation hit in the begining, then the casinos Ante have hit us in the beging and it should not matter, becuse we know what it will produce, or do we?
Does it exist an conflict with a 50/50 situation vs the law of series using sampels of 300?
So how would a killer distribution look like?
Do we have any chance at all using FTL or DBL or OLD with succes or do they all fail no matter what we do?
LS
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Well periodic events sucks there was no way it would work using OLD.
Trngs 070104
lnolinkslwlwwlwwlwlwwllwwlww
15 won
9 loss
Trngs 070105
wwllllwwlllllwllwlwlllwlllnolinkslllwlwlllw ;D lol
14 won
25 loss
Trngs 070106
lllwwlllwlwlwllnolinkslllllwwllwlllw ;D lol
12 won
20 loss
Now I know hahaha I woundering if any one can handel the loses...
LS
from what i have read, its not really random.
i dont believe random gives the same results, it would only if its a 50/50 bet.
18 numbers, 6 streets, or what ever.
your results show anything but random, if the strike rate is high, say 70% and its based on random then it would be random.
to get a strike rate like that it would be, streets or numbers or two dozens. you are playing to get a better strike rate so its not really random.
the problem is it might show wins but a loss can be 6 wins so it it dosent maen its better. anyone can get 100% strike rate at the table but its the payout that makes it unfair.
but if the payout is good and your wins are consistent then great. but i dont believe its random, it may be when chosing where to play your bets but you still chosing to bet bigger to get better strike rates.
just my opinion, i could be wrong.
Well as i state it was one experiment and if i remember it correct all kinds of selections creates long strings of winnings and short strings of nothing as you state 50/50 or less.
But i assume i use only the "gaps" with the experiment above witch means you only attack after a virtual loss with attack of one or two attempts during waves with longer strings of winnings within the sequence (like capture a wave) - regarding selection i don't remember as i made many attempts using random against random where some success to certain degree and others fail - same as my shitty selection/trending topic.