OK.......
novo says to bet these crossings:
0vs1
1vs2
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
winkel says to quit when you are +39.
nova never jumps back.
winkel says he always jumps back after three loses.
mad says to stay for 50 spins.
winnkel, mad and novo.......
Help me write the beginner's rules.
I'll toss another $200 in the kitty and give it a try.
Sam
Sam,
I don't agree that you use real money on this testing. If you use real money you'll get frustrated when you hit some big drawdown.
Remember that in winkel's own GUT test thread, Lohnro run a simulation test of 2500 sessions and the results are climbing. The test was only done on 0vs1 and 1vs>1.
Look at this
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Eventhough the bankroll is growing, notice that there's a big drawdown in between session 1400 and 2100 before it reached a new higher bankroll. If you play for real money and when emotion is involved you'll never get pass that.
novo
I appreciate your concerns. At some point in time I have to get off the bench and into the game. This is it. Frankly, I do not get frustrated bet .50 and loosing $200.
I get frustrated because the rules keep changing and then I learn there are no rules!
Now---will you, mad and winkel help me establish a set of rules we can agree on?
Sam
Ok,
From what I've read so far, winkels GUT test has the best results. I say we emulate his rules and see for oursleves if we could get the results as good as his.
He said he bet these crossings:
0vs1
1vs2
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
Every sessions is a new 50 spins. No jump
Use his stop rules
17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4
Well, i maybe missing some other rules but these are all I can remember... ;D
cheers
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 27, 2008, 02:50:40 PM
OK.......
novo says to bet these crossings:
0vs1
1vs2
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
winkel says to quit when you are +39.
nova never jumps back.
winkel says he always jumps back after three loses.
mad says to stay for 50 spins.
winnkel, mad and novo.......
Help me write the beginner's rules.
I'll toss another $200 in the kitty and give it a try.
Sam
Despite what He "says" like I said, I'm not listening to what he says, i'm copying what he DID, trying to duplicate his results.
His results being:
2117 / 50 days = 42.34 units per day
42.34 / 3 sessions = 14.11 units per session
-That means do NOT quit at +39, play to spin 50 regardless of win or lose, PERIOD.
-Never jump back, play to spin 50 PERIOD. For my new testing after 50 spins, I will start a new 50 spins after a win or loss with no jump back EVER!
-After 3 losses again do not jump back, play to spin 50!
-Play all above crossings but wait for the 0,1, and >1 to dominate and cross first, then play all other crossings. If there is more than one crossing, the 0,1, and >1 get the preference.
Look at the clinical GUT tests, these are the actions that were performed. These are the "rules" for his testing. Forget the "hints, the pointers and the suggestions." We are trying to duplicate his success, so we should follow these exact rules and nothing else.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 27, 2008, 03:42:55 PM
novo
I appreciate your concerns. At some point in time I have to get off the bench and into the game. This is it. Frankly, I do not get frustrated bet .50 and loosing $200.
I get frustrated because the rules keep changing and then I learn there are no rules!
Now---will you, mad and winkel help me establish a set of rules we can agree on?
Sam
Sam,
Why don't you stick to your own rules? If that works, then you're doing fine?
Guys,
You're not doing anything wrong in your simulations. KonFuSed already tested this one over 1 million trials and showed that it doesn't work.
Than why are we all winning in our simulation / testing Herb? Is everybody on a winning streak?
Quote from: Herb on October 27, 2008, 05:44:46 PM
Guys,
You're not doing anything wrong in your simulations. KonFuSed already tested this one over 1 million trials and showed that it doesn't work.
1 Million trials? Obviously he didn't do this by himself? He did it with the help of some computer running simulations. That is flawed! No computer can test as efficiently and accurately as a human when you have to make decisions on certain bets, something his computer trials cannot do.
Those 1 Million trials, you can throw them in the trash b/c they are garbage!
Never trust computer simulations.
The GUT testing results speak for themselves. A steady increase using flat betting, NO progresson. A steady incline towards the top. You know it will not crash b/c there is NO progression, just steady, consistent, uphill profits.
From novo
0vs1
1vs2
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
Every sessions is a new 50 spins. No jump
Now from mad
-That means do NOT quit at +39, play to spin 50 regardless of win or lose, PERIOD.
-Never jump back, play to spin 50 PERIOD. For my new testing after 50 spins, I will start a new 50 spins after a win or loss with no jump back EVER!
-After 3 losses again do not jump back, play to spin 50!
-Play all above crossings but wait for the 0,1, and >1 to dominate and cross first, then play all other crossings. If there is more than one crossing, the 0,1, and >1 get the preference.
OK Could we boil it down to this:?
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
Play 50 spins win or lose. Only play after the 0 v >0 crossing (19/18).
Play the above crossings and in case of a tie, give preference to the one with the greatest numbers to be bet.
Never jump back.
Will novo and mad sign off on these rules in red? Note: If I lose money, let me worry about that. This is my fun and golfers spend a lot more!
Thanks and sorry I tried your patience!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 27, 2008, 06:39:52 PM
From novo
0vs1
1vs2
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
Every sessions is a new 50 spins. No jump
Now from mad
-That means do NOT quit at +39, play to spin 50 regardless of win or lose, PERIOD.
-Never jump back, play to spin 50 PERIOD. For my new testing after 50 spins, I will start a new 50 spins after a win or loss with no jump back EVER!
-After 3 losses again do not jump back, play to spin 50!
-Play all above crossings but wait for the 0,1, and >1 to dominate and cross first, then play all other crossings. If there is more than one crossing, the 0,1, and >1 get the preference.
My post is the exact same as his, only diff is YES Winkel is betting on all of those crossings BUT if you look at his testing, he is ONLY doing it AFTER the 0,1, and >1 have dominated and have crossed first. So just copy the testing. Do the same thing as the testing and see what happens.
My point is this: This system only works if you're curve fitting the results. In other words, changing how you would have bet after the spin has already happened.
If you use a rigid set of rules, and stick to these rules, then the system can't work.
-Herb
mad
What does this mean? "AFTER the 0,1, and >1 have dominated"
Are you saying only bet after the 0 v >0? (19/18) What does the >1 have to do with it. Are we waiting for 0 v >1 to happen? That's not what I see.
KFS has proven you can't pin winkel down to a single statement. Now, I'm trying to see if I can wade through the obfuscation and see if Herb, bj and KFS are all right and we have been taken for one whale of a ride!
So, if I get some rules, I'll play the thing, film the beast and let's see what happens.
You realize I want this to win? I want to win money, not prove someone wrong!!
I'm just trying to do is so that it is "clinical" in a true sense of the word!
Sam
Herb
I call that ex post facto betting. Looking to see what happened and then saying you would have bet that way. I'm wanting to prove you wrong and winkel right. If I can't, I can't!
If you're right, you're right. I suspect you are!
You know what my problem is Herb? I want to believe winkel.
Sam
I can see the rules bending here and there. Unfortunately, that's the kiss of death when testing these systems. Write down the rules ahead of time to avoid the curve fitting problems.
It's probably best if I stay out of this thread and the 4selectra for now. My critism isn't received very well.
-Herb
Herb
Your criticism is very well received. You: Write down the rules ahead of time to avoid the curve fitting problems.
Isn't that exactly what I've been trying to do?
One thing about Chips. His rules are the same today as they were yesterday and last month. He's a bit testy when you question him, but he's on point with his rules!
Sam
All........
The first two movies are being uploaded to Motion Box now. In every couplet of movies there will be the recording (where I collect number until I see the 19/18 crossing) and the betting (where I bet until spin 50) They will be in order. The first one is just in case someone accuses me of stacking the numbers against the system, however you would do that.
I have stopped the practice of pausing the video; these run in real time. For those truly interested in this system and what I've been saying, take a few minutes and watch the second one. It is very interesting and should cause some debate.
Here's the chart I'll use.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.2.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
[/table]
Here are the rules:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
Play 50 spins win or lose. Only play after the 0 v >0 crossing (19/18).
Play the above crossings and in case of a tie, give preference to the one with the greatest numbers to be bet.
Never jump back.
Sam
Really good stuff in the second video,
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
[/table]
I have discovered that my movie and voice are being recorded at two different speeds. I'll try to rectify that.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
[/table]
Keep up the good work Sam... haven't played the video, but will tonight. Maybe you 'soothing' voice will put me to sleep... lol :)
MM
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
[/table]
Film at eleven.....
UPDATE
The films are terrible! I'm on Motion Box for a solution to this. If none is found, I will cease with the vocals.
Anyone who watches the vids will see that I'm playing "clinicily" and missing many over the lower numbers that pay so well. 2 v 3 and >3 2 v >2
Not sure why I'm not betting on these.
Sam
No more videos until Motion Box gives me an idea of what is happening.
This would make a preacher cuss....
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
[/table]
Motion box is working with me to correct the problems. Only a couple more days and it will be perfect or I will be dead!
I think I've done it!! You may use the little yellow box to fast forward, but not beyond the blue line.
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The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
Play 50 spins win or lose. Only play after the 0 v >0 crossing (19/18).
Play the above crossings and in case of a tie, give preference to the one with the greatest numbers to be bet.
Never jump back.
From now on, I will call the 0 v >0 (19/18) crossing the "Virgin Crossing".
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
[/table]
The numbers for today's trot are attached. This video is squished and the next ones will be different. Today the Virgin Crossing is about 18 minutes into the trot.
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Sam I may have missed it
Are you playing 50 cent units
Natural
Yes
Sam
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
Play 50 spins win or lose. Only play after the 0 v >0 crossing (19/18).
Play the above crossings and in case of a tie, give preference to the one with the greatest numbers to be bet.
Never jump back.
From now on, I will call the 0 v >0 (19/18) crossing the "Virgin Crossing".
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
[/table]
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Another winning session.........
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
Play 50 spins win or lose. Only play after the 0 v >0 crossing (19/18).
Play the above crossings and in case of a tie, give preference to the one with the greatest numbers to be bet.
Never jump back.
From now on, I will call the 0 v >0 (19/18) crossing the "Virgin Crossing".
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
[/table]
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The following is one of the best sessions I've ever had playing roulette!
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
Play 50 spins win or lose. Only play after the 0 v >0 crossing (19/18).
Play the above crossings and in case of a tie, give preference to the one with the greatest numbers to be bet.
Never jump back.
From now on, I will call the 0 v >0 (19/18) crossing the "Virgin Crossing".
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
[/table]
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winkel.......
2 Cat Sam
Nice work brother!
Keep it up Please [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
This goes for you too Winkel! ;)
Thank you, Man with Purple Pants!!
winkel is taking a much deserved break but he will be back!
Sam
On my third visit to the wheel today, I found things had changed very much! Same wheel but the Tracker looked totally different. I did not do well.
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
Play 50 spins win or lose. Only play after the 0 v >0 crossing (19/18).
Play the above crossings and in case of a tie, give preference to the one with the greatest numbers to be bet.
Never jump back.
From now on, I will call the 0 v >0 (19/18) crossing the "Virgin Crossing".
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
[/table]
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Hi TCS,
Seems like you're getting better result now. I'm testing too but the rules of my test does not include:
-Only play after the 0 v >0 crossing (19/18).
-in case of a tie, give preference to the one with the greatest numbers to be bet.
I'm only up by 23 units after 30 sessions test of your 5000 microgaming live spins. But we can't conclude anything yet. Let's test more as we need to compare more results. Keep up the good works Sam...
Guys,
Maybe you're interested maybe not. I'm testing too. Have done over 1.000 spins now. These are my rules & results. I play track2 (0 1 2 3 3>)
17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4
36/numbers=times to bet (use first number only; 3,5 = 3)
stop at >39
otherwise play till spin 50, no stopploss no limit
we rebet a crossing as lon as it is alive
15-14 moves to 15-13 stop betting
15-14 stays 15-14 rebet (once see above)
especially later in the spins when bet 0vs2 appear:
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-8 loss stopp betting
9-9
9-8
9-7 stopp
9-8 (a 1 has hit) start betting max 4times again
hope that´s what you wanted to know
I tested a stop-rule
+40 and -40 it worked very bad
+40 and try to recover till spin 50 is nearly to the clinical rule ->
play every crossing til spin 50 without any other stop-rules
Play
0vs1
0vs2
1vs2
Result so far
Casino Table Date Units Bet Hit
Dublinbet 2 21-10-2008 19 0vs1 (17-17) Win -16 +35
Dublinbet 1 21-10-2008 19 0vs1 (17-17) Win -16 +35
Dublinbet 2 21-10-2008 -56 Loss on bets -17 -16 -16 -15 -14 Win -13 +35
Dublinbet 1 22-10-2008 21 0vs1 (15-14) Win -14 +35
Dublinbet 2 22-10-2008 25 Win -16 +35, Win -15 -14 +35, Win -14 -13 +35, Loss -10 -10 exit (cross over), Loss -12 (cross over), -11 +35
Dublinbet 1 22-10-2008 48 Win -15 +35, Win -15 -14 +35, Win -13 +35
Dublinbet 1 23-10-2008 13 Win -9 -8 +35, Lose -10 -10 (cross over), Win -10 +35, Lose -10 (spin 50)
Dublinbet 1 23-10-2008 54 Win -8 +35, Win -8 +35
Dublinbet 2 23-10-2008 13 Lose -15 -15, Win -14 +13 +35, Win -13 -12 +35, Win -10 +35
Dublinbet 2 23-10-2008 -23 Win -15 +35, Win -15 -14 +35, Lose -13 -13, Lose -11 (cross over), Lose -12-12-12, Win -11 +35
Dublinbet 1 23-10-2008 2 Win -17 16 +35
Dublinbet 1 24-10-2008 -14 Win -17 -16 +35, Win -15 +35, Lose -9 -9 -9, Lose -9 (cross over)
Dublinbet 2 24-10-2008 42 Win -15 +35, Win -13 +35
Dublinbet 1 24-10-2008 4 Win -13 +35, Lose -10 (cross over), Lose -10 -10 (cross over), Win -12 -11 +35
Dublinbet 1 24-10-2008 -11 Lose -15 -15, Lose -10 (cross over), Win -12 +35, Win -10 -10 +35
Dublinbet 1 25-10-2008 46 Win -14 +35, Win -10 +35
Dublinbet 1 27-10-2008 5 Lose -16 (cross over), Win -14 +35
Dublinbet 1 27-10-2008 38 Win -15 +35, Lose -15 -15, Win -13 +35, Win -9 +35
Dublinbet 1 28-10-2008 2 Win -16 -15 +35
Dublinbet 2 28-10-2008 26 Win -15 +35, Win -15 -14 +35
Dublinbet 1 29-10-2008 10 Win -16 +35, Lose -9 (cross over), Lose -9 (cross over), Win -9 -9 -8 +35
Dublinbet 2 29-10-2008 41 Win -9 +35, Win -10 -10(bet 11) +35
Dublinbet 1 30-10-2008 31 Win -14 +35, Win -13 -12 +35
Total +355 units.
JHM,
Could you please clarify? What does cross over mean? It means the trigger not alive anymore?
So u bet these triggers 0vs1, 0vs2 and 1vs2 only?
17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4
Stop once you're up by 39 units or more, otherwise play till spin 50, no stopploss no limit.
Did I rewrite your rules correctly?
Quote from: Novobetor on October 31, 2008, 07:05:13 AM
JHM,
1) Could you please clarify? What does cross over mean? It means the trigger not alive anymore?
2) So u bet these triggers 0vs1, 0vs2 and 1vs2 only?
3) 17-13 numbers rebet after loss = total bets 2
12-10 numbers rebet after loss 2 times = total bets 3
9-8 numbers rebet after loss 3 times = total bets 4
4) Stop once you're up by 39 units or more, otherwise play till spin 50, no stopploss no limit.
Did I rewrite your rules correctly?
1) Cross over means that a trigger is gone, example
17-16 -> Bet 17
17-15 -> No bet / crossing = gone
2) Yes I only bet 0vs1, 0vs2 and 1vs2. See the track 2 software. Posted by droidman.
3) The bets, you are correct. But when a trigger is gone / a cross is over I don't place a 2th/3th or 4th bet.
4) Yes when I'm 39> I quit. Other sessions I end, when I'm losing I end the session till spin 50. A few sessions I quit because I was satisfied with 25 units or I had to go (for dinner). But that are only a few 2-3. And all winners.
If that is what you ment, that's correct.
Great, I got your rules...
Now what if u encounter this, what would you do?
A trigger with 15 numbers we only bet 2 times right? Consider this situation:
1.) 15-15, 1st trigger bet 15 numbers.
2.) 15-15, lost and the trigger still here, bet for 2nd time
3.) 15-14, lost the previous bet again (total 2 bet) but now trigger is still alive (but they're diff trigger, from 15-15 ---> 15-14)
Do you still bet the 15 numbers after step no. 3 ???
My guess is no..
Thanks
One more thing JHM,
In case there are 2 triggers, do u play like Sam does?
He would bet the trigger with greater numbers in it, eg. 15-14 and 9-9 at the same time he would only bet the 15 numbers.
How would you play it?
Sorry if too many questions... :P
Thanks again
Quote from: Novobetor on October 31, 2008, 07:40:41 AM
Great, I got your rules...
Now what if u encounter this, what would you do?
A trigger with 15 numbers we only bet 2 times right? Consider this situation:
1.) 15-15, 1st trigger bet 15 numbers.
2.) 15-15, lost and the trigger still here, bet for 2nd time
3.) 15-14, lost the previous bet again (total 2 bet) but now trigger is still alive (but they're diff trigger, from 15-15 ---> 15-14)
Do you still bet the 15 numbers after step no. 3 ???
My guess is no..
Thanks
I don't, the trigger is active so I bet 2 times. The max bet is 2, yes the trigger is still active but it was before. The rule is max 2 bet's so I strick to that.
When there are 2 triggers I always play 1 trigger, that is the prefered trigger. When I have 0vs1 9-9 and 1vs2 9-9. I bet only 1 trigger and thats 0vs1. But, as Winkel said, you have do decide yourself. Both can be played as both are triggers.
Tonight could have been a truly great night had Microgaming not pulled that "maintenance" stunt!
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
Play 50 spins win or lose. Only play after the 0 v >0 crossing (19/18).
Play the above crossings and in case of a tie, give preference to the one with the greatest numbers to be bet.
Never jump back.
From now on, I will call the 0 v >0 (19/18) crossing the "Virgin Crossing".
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
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Sam,
Good to see you are now building up a win. Keep it up my friend. Let show theim that G.U.T. does work.
Jur
Thanks for those words of encouragement. I totally respect the KonFused One and do not doubt his testing. I totally respect winkel and think his theory is worth the work. So here I be.....
I am working on the T.C.U.P.T--The "TwoCat Universal Profit Theory" (Say it "tea cupped"!) This is will explain all roulette theories as well as--possibly--the existence of Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster.
Watch for it coming to a thread near you.
Sam
TwoCat,
You're wasting your time.
Herb
You could be right! But please consider this: It's my time and my money and I'm enjoying it. Which is to say it is much like playing golf or tennis. After you see today's results, if you care to look, you will see that I took a beating.
And, in time, I may be convinced, too! Just not yet.
Sam
Today was a terrible day.
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
Play 50 spins win or lose. Only play after the 0 v >0 crossing (19/18).
Play the above crossings and in case of a tie, give preference to the one with the greatest numbers to be bet.
Never jump back.
From now on, I will call the 0 v >0 (19/18) crossing the "Virgin Crossing".
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
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Twocat,
Your efforts are heroic. However, the task that you've undertaken isn't necessary.
Hard-fought return to almost where I was.
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
Play 50 spins win or lose. Only play after the 0 v >0 crossing (19/18).
Play the above crossings and in case of a tie, give preference to the one with the greatest numbers to be bet.
Never jump back.
From now on, I will call the 0 v >0 (19/18) crossing the "Virgin Crossing".
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
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To whomever (if anyone) reads this thread:
I have stuck with the "clinical" rules as long as I can. There is absolutely no reason NOT to bet on a crossing simply because it comes before the virgin crossing. Also, there is simply no reason NOT to bet on the 2 v >2, 2 v 3, and 3 v >3 as they hit frequently. I greatly enjoy getting a hit with only three chips down. So in my next post, I will modify the rules to include these crossings.
Also, there is no reason NOT to jump back at spin 50 as this is the very same thing as starting at spin 31 in your current trot and re-loading a tracker. Also, there is no reason NOT to continue betting beyond spin 50 if there are good crossings.
It would seem I am throwing the "rules" out the window.
Sam
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
1vs3
2vs>2
2vs3
3vs>3
I will pretty much play every possible crossing and any and all crossings that don't add up to >17.
From now on, I will call the 0 v >0 (19/18) crossing the "Virgin Crossing".
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
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Today was a very interesting day. I went way down and made a full recovery. Someone should watch!
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
1vs3
2vs>2
2vs3
3vs>3
I will pretty much play every possible crossing and any and all crossings that don't add up to >17.
From now on, I will call the 0 v >0 (19/18) crossing the "Virgin Crossing".
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.S.1,,,$15,,,$71.50 ............all time high!
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Sam
TCS,
Why do you think you are having more success now than you did in your previous testing of GUT? Do you think you are just maybe getting lucky with some winning streaks and haven't seen some losses yet?
madupz4
I think in my previous tests I was making a lot of mistakes. I made some in today's trot, but they only amounted to about $6 in profit. Sometimes a crossing will disappear and I will continue to bet on it.
I am mentally formulating a method of increasing the bets after a loss to cover the loss. I think it's some form of Martingale, but not the pure form. I've done it before on Dublin with play # and it worked great.
I am also learning what winkel was talking about when the numbers come too quickly or too slowly. I'm watching that.
And, not forgetting Herb, it could all be luck. Only time will tell.
One thing I am sure of: I am enjoying myself! That's what I'm all about.
Sam
Sam
TCS
The GUT is is sure a fun way to pay,the more you practice it the more easy it seems to hit the numbers.
One of Winkels "rules" were we will only bet if we are near to binomial distribution.I think this is important,otherwise the zeros is to slow,to fast,to many or less which make the betting on crossings not reliable.
Thanks for all your hard work on our grate forum i surely appreciate it!
Regards
MAX
MAX
Thanks for those words of encouragement. I am studying the distribution as winkel taught. I do see what he means; just can't nail it down yet.
Sam
I was thinking about this binomial distribution and the law of the third I do think the law of the third is part of this method
I know you cant win with methods by just applying the law of the third but say we got a 3 by 3 crossing in theory we can play it for 12 spins law of the third says one of those numbers should hit within those twelve spins maybe this is too simplistic
Is this a correct assuption and may or may not be the secret for it winning I know tests over millions of spins has said it cant win but there still a few in here with winning results
Regards Rodney
Rodney
I just took a beating on the wheel and part of it was due to mistakes. My wife has a friend over and this makes me nervous as a cat! Or two cats! Anyway, I wanted to see what I would do being under a strain. I don't function well.
Part of it was just the wheel beating me. I would have the 33 and 20 and the wheel would hit the 1. Over and over.
I am working to see what winkel is saying. I don't understand it. I know when the numbers come too quickly, one thing happens; when they come too slowly, another thing happens. Haven't nailed it down yet.
I "should have" quit when I saw I was having a bad day, but I wanted to see if I could pull out and then they closed the wheel on me.
I don't understand you. There is no 3 3 crossing. 3 vs >3 or 3 vs 2 is it. Explain more completely what you mean and I'll think on it.
Thanks for your interest.
Sam
Really bad day...... :(
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
1vs3
2vs>2
2vs3
3vs>3
I will pretty much play every possible crossing and any and all crossings that don't add up to >17
From now on, I will call the 0 v >0 (19/18) crossing the "Virgin Crossing".
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
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Mrs. TwoCat speaks to the forum! You gotta hear this. Will post when uploaded.
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
1vs3
2vs>2
2vs3
3vs>3
I will pretty much play every possible crossing and any and all crossings that don't add up to >17
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
My highest points in the study will be green!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
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What a bumpy ride looks a bit like Lohnros test
Richard
Exactly. That is why I am working on the T.C.U.P.T. in another thread. This puppy will smooth out the graph.
Sam
Sam,
What is the maximum bet's you have lost in a row with G.U.T?
Example how I mean Bet 1)-14 2)-14, 3)-10 4)-10 5)-10 6) -8 +35
There you lost 5 in a row and on the sixth bet you won.
Jur
I have not tracked that. When you are betting 17 numbers, you will hit much more than betting 3. It would be hard to say how many bets miss; even harder to determine the number ratio to the bets lost or hit.
Not something I can do right now. Got lots of other problems......
On this video the voice is wrong. I don't know what to do, but I will work on it. Something has changed, but I don't know what. This is a very telling video and if you're not even interested in the G.U.T. you might want to watch it.
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
1vs3
2vs>2
2vs3
3vs>3
I will pretty much play every possible crossing and any and all crossings that don't add up to >17
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
My highest points in the study will be green!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
11.3.8.1,,,$24.50,,,$104
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Hi 2cat,
Results are getting better. Do u bet as long as the trigger is still alive?
Novo
I am developing a definite "feel" for this system. I jump back when I get three crossings and don't want to continue seeking a proper crossing. I jump when I can see that crossings are too far in the distance and would be very small, like 3 v >3. I only bet those crossings while I'm waiting for others to form.
A large part of the reason I've had a bear of a time with this system and the 4Selecta is I am very easily detracted. I make lots of mistakes! Remember winkel saying you could make mistakes and still win? What if one didn't make mistakes and developed the "gambler's intelligence" he spoke of?
The more you play this, the more confidence you garner. Most days I can just barely, if I listen very carefully, hear Herb in the background telling me it won't work!
Sam
Guys....
Trying my T.C.U.P.T with the G.U.T.
My wife is out of town and I'm on a roulette binge. SOMEBODY STOP ME!!
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
1vs3
2vs>2
2vs3
3vs>3
I will pretty much play every possible crossing and any and all crossings that don't add up to >17
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
My highest points in the study will be green!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
11.3.8.1,,,$24.50,,,$104
11.2.8.2,,,$50,,,$154
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Your bankroll is slowing going up,this is a good sign very positive indeed sam
Next one is good, too. I'm dog tired and quitting for a while. Movie is uploading....
This is more fun than an Oklahoma cow-chip throwing contest!
Sam
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
1vs3
2vs>2
2vs3
3vs>3
I will pretty much play every possible crossing and any and all crossings that don't add up to >17
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
My highest points in the study will be green!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
11.3.8.1,,,$24.50,,,$104
11.2.8.2,,,$50,,,$154
11.3.8.3,,,$22.50,,,$176.50
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Monday night. November 3, 2008
As I write this I wonder where this G.U.T. is going. Have I ridden an incredibly lucky streak? I must be honest with the forum. I began the test with $200 and went down to $29. Most of that loss was the gambler taking over in me. I was at around $150 or so and I went nuts and lost down to $29. It goes quickly with $5 bets!
So I can't charge that loss to the G.U.T. Charge it up to my lack of willpower.
When and if I hit $500 in my bankroll I will go to $1 bets. Big spender, huh? Before long I will go to $5 if this thing holds out.
OK...........
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
1vs3
2vs>2
2vs3
3vs>3
I will pretty much play every possible crossing and any and all crossings that don't add up to >17
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
My highest points in the study will be green!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
11.3.8.1,,,$24.50,,,$104
11.2.8.2,,,$50,,,$154
11.3.8.3,,,$22.50,,,$176.50
11.3.8.3,,,$36.50,,,$213.00
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Hes TCS. That 24 hitting twice is very, very impressive! +100 over original BR. Keep winning like that and you might get a yellow flag (from the casino:)
Thanks, Proof
I am happy to know someone watches my videos.
Sam
Wonders if the video is like watching grass grow or is it a thriller :D ;D ;)
TCS,
Were you originally playing with .50 units and then switched to 1.00 units?
HI Sam
great results so far.
Could I ask if you have found one partucular crossong more likely to win than others?
The purpose of the videos is threefold.
1. I like to make them. If I didn't, I wouldn't
2. Sooner or later, if you do well, someone will call you a liar and the video may be the proof needed to stay out of jail.
3. Someone may actually listen to my ramblings and learn something.
I am still betting .50 and sometimes bet a dollar as part of my T.C.U.P.T money management system.
No crossing is more likely except that 17 numbers are more likely to hit than 3. Still 3 costs a lot less to miss than 17. I could not single out one crossing and say "Just bet him!".
Sam
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
1vs3
2vs>2
2vs3
3vs>3
I will pretty much play every possible crossing and any and all crossings that don't add up to >17
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
My highest points in the study will be green!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
11.3.8.1,,,$24.50,,,$104
11.2.8.2,,,$50,,,$154
11.3.8.3,,,$22.50,,,$176.50
11.3.8.3,,,$36.50,,,$213.00
11.4.8.1,,,$15.50,,,$228.50
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Sam,
Good to see you're winning my friend. I think G.U.T. works. Check this
Test JHM live @ DB
Sessions: 28 (x50 = 1400 spins)
Units: +376
Units per spin: 376 / 1400 = 0,27
Test JHM spins downloaded (WJL from actuals section)
Sessions: 10 (x50 = 500 spins)
Units: +110
Units per spin: 110 / 500 = 0,22
Test SAM (your current testing)
Sessions: 22 (x50 = 1100 spins)
Units: +228.5
Units per spin: 228.5 / 1100 = 0,21
Our tests combined show the same Sam, per spin a profit of 0.21, 0.22 and 0.27.
In total we have 3.000 spins and +714,5 units
We's doin' good!!
Jur
What I need is a hired hand to stand around and PULL MY HEAD OUT!!
If you watch today's video 11.4.8.2, you'll see what I mean.
As winkel said, you can make dumb mistakes and still win.
I WILL stop making stupid mistakes!!
Thanks for your report!!
Sam
JMH
do you double bet after a 50 units loss too ??
SAM
could you tell us in your report everytime you had to double bet....and by the way how many times you had to double bet until today ?
thanks
kompressor
When I start using the T.C.U.P.T., I will say in my video when I'm going up or down. First I must fix the darn sound.
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
1vs3
2vs>2
2vs3
3vs>3
I will pretty much play every possible crossing and any and all crossings that don't add up to >17
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
My highest points in the study will be green!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
11.3.8.1,,,$24.50,,,$104
11.2.8.2,,,$50,,,$154
11.3.8.3,,,$22.50,,,$176.50
11.3.8.3,,,$36.50,,,$213.00
11.4.8.1,,,$15.50,,,$228.50
11.4.8.2,,,$8.50,,,$237
[/table]
I must work on these dang videos to get the sound right. Sorry....
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Quote from: JHM on November 04, 2008, 02:42:33 PM
Sam,
Good to see you're winning my friend. I think G.U.T. works. Check this
Test JHM live @ DB
Sessions: 28 (x50 = 1400 spins)
Units: +376
Units per spin: 376 / 1400 = 0,27
Test JHM spins downloaded (WJL from actuals section)
Sessions: 10 (x50 = 500 spins)
Units: +110
Units per spin: 110 / 500 = 0,22
Test SAM (your current testing)
Sessions: 22 (x50 = 1100 spins)
Units: +228.5
Units per spin: 228.5 / 1100 = 0,21
Our tests combined show the same Sam, per spin a profit of 0.21, 0.22 and 0.27.
In total we have 3.000 spins and +714,5 units
i think sam is not doing 50 spins session anymore but he jump back and stop when he show profits.....??
kompressor
You are correct. Through checking on the Track4 I can tell you there is no difference in jumping back and starting at a recorded trot at spin 31.
Sam
kompressor
When I start using the T.C.U.P.T., I will say in my video when I'm going up or down. First I must fix the darn sound.
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
1vs3
2vs>2
2vs3
3vs>3
I will pretty much play every possible crossing and any and all crossings that don't add up to >17
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
My highest points in the study will be green!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
11.3.8.1,,,$24.50,,,$104
11.2.8.2,,,$50,,,$154
11.3.8.3,,,$22.50,,,$176.50
11.3.8.3,,,$36.50,,,$213.00
11.4.8.1,,,$15.50,,,$228.50
11.4.8.2,,,$8.50,,,$237
11.4.8.3,,,$40.50,,,$277.50
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i think its time to go back to my casino tonight .. 8)...i've put this system on the ice after your bad performance 10-12 days ago....even if I had 255$ gain with first two crossing....but this time I think i'll start with 2.50 units instead of 5....try your double bet strategy if things go bad and increase unit value after a few hundred profits
[smiley=bath.gif] Clean them out, guys.
Sam,
I watched your videos to try to follow how u actually play the GUT and i found out that sometimes when you have 2 triggers, for example, 0vs1 13-12, and 2vs>2 7-6, you would choose the 0vs1 trigger, where I also saw that there are times you would bet both triggers. Why is that? What's your selection method? I'm more confused than ever... lol ;D
Good results, keep it goin...
Thanks
Novo
Sometimes It's just how I feel. I do bet too many numbers sometimes.
Tonight I took a royal beating when I went to dollars. It will be interesting to see if I can pull out.
Charts tomorrow.
Sam
This was the worst trot I've ever had. I was next door to so many numbers.
I am no longer able to pause the video. You will just have to fast forward it.
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
1vs3
2vs>2
2vs3
3vs>3
I will pretty much play every possible crossing and any and all crossings that don't add up to >17
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
My highest points in the study will be green!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
11.3.8.1,,,$24.50,,,$104
11.2.8.2,,,$50,,,$154
11.3.8.3,,,$22.50,,,$176.50
11.3.8.3,,,$36.50,,,$213.00
11.4.8.1,,,$15.50,,,$228.50
11.4.8.2,,,$8.50,,,$237
11.4.8.3,,,$40.50,,,$277.50
11.4.8.4,,,<$207>,,,$77.50
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Sam,
Thank you for your reply.
As with your result of the latest session, maybe if you limit your loss per session may help, say 50 units? Just don push it too hard..
All the best to you...
ouch sam!
Hope the tide turns for the better!! GOod luck!!!
cheers
Ham
TCS,
A 200+ unit loss is unacceptable! Don't you agree there has to be a stop loss to prevent a big draw down and keep the profits moving forward? Perhaps a
-70 unit stop loss, then retrack 50 new numbers and start a new session?
Quote from: kompressor on November 04, 2008, 07:14:02 PM
i think its time to go back to my casino tonight .. 8)...i've put this system on the ice after your bad performance 10-12 days ago....even if I had 255$ gain with first two crossing....but this time I think i'll start with 2.50 units instead of 5....try your double bet strategy if things go bad and increase unit value after a few hundred profits
+24 units.....but I was playing on a touchbet americain wheel just to see how it perform...i've hit tne 00 on my first few bet :-[
but the split 0/00 have come 5 times in 50 spins.... ???....i think i'll try this split tonight
SAM
sorry for you....i had to double bet twice last night and one time i've recover a 100 units drawdown...i little bit of luck
Guys,
You are right..a $200 unit loss in unacceptable. I was pushing too hard. Sometimes I do that. I'm working on it.
I find it strange that I had great sessions until I went to a $1 and then it turned on me. I recall the guys saying this about the RNG machinges.
Last night was a less for me. Not to worry...
Thanks
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 05, 2008, 01:12:44 PM
Guys,
You are right..a $200 unit loss in unacceptable. I was pushing too hard. Sometimes I do that. I'm working on it.
I find it strange that I had great sessions until I went to a $1 and then it turned on me. I recall the guys saying this about the RNG machinges.
Last night was a less for me. Not to worry...
Thanks
Sam
TCS,
Were you playin on RNG when you had the -200 unit loss? I thought you were playing on live wheel online?
QuoteGuys,
You are right..a $200 unit loss in unacceptable. I was pushing too hard. Sometimes I do that. I'm working on it.
Guys, I've got news for you. If you think a 200 unit loss is unacceptable, then you shouldn't be playing this game.
Even when you have the edge, you're going to have normal random fluctuations that exceed 400 units or more.
It depends on the size of your edge. If your edge is very small, then you can plan on fluctuations that even exceed 1k units.
-Herb
mad
No, I am not using an RNG. I am playing Riverbelle Live. When you watch the video, you will see a human spinning the ball. Guess that tells me what all my work to post videos is going to! Just bought a new mic to try to cure the lag.
If anyone watches this video, you'll see I got within $15 of being ahead. Should I have quit? Well hindsight is 20/20!!
Did I enjoy dropping $200? Nope! Will I get ahead again?
TIME WILL TELL!
The rules will be posted in every post:
0vs1
0vs>1
0vs2
1vs>1
1vs2
1vs3
2vs>2
2vs3
3vs>3
I will pretty much play every possible crossing and any and all crossings that don't add up to >17
Motion Box: You may never move the yellow box past the end of the blue crawl line! To do so will cause echoing in my voice!
My highest points in the study will be green!
If you see this in the results chart:
14
29
^^--ABOVE WAS ERASED
28
that means I put in #29 first and it was a mistake. Should have been 28, so you take out the 29 and it is correct.
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
11.3.8.1,,,$24.50,,,$104
11.2.8.2,,,$50,,,$154
11.3.8.3,,,$22.50,,,$176.50
11.3.8.3,,,$36.50,,,$213.00
11.4.8.1,,,$15.50,,,$228.50
11.4.8.2,,,$8.50,,,$237
11.4.8.3,,,$40.50,,,$277.50
11.4.8.4,,,<$207>,,,$77.50
11.5.8.1,,,$149,,,$226.50
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QuoteIt's just amazing, you quote "gamblers fallacy" and here we have "Herb fallacy". I have never designed a system where it will "exceed 400 units or more". Check out the 4Selecta test results, have you never heard of minimum losses?
Mr. Chips,
You have yet to design a system that works, let alone one that can prevent large drawdowns. ;D
Stopping when you're down 50 or 100 units doesn't change the long term performance. You will still experience the inevitable.
-Herb
Mr. Chips,
I just don't know how to say this with out insulting you. Basically, you don't know what you don't know.
My statements are based on facts and experience. I know that you don't comprehend why the drawdowns can be as large as what I posted.
The reason that you don't understand it is because you simply don't comprehend basic probability, let alone something as complex as probability of ruin calculations.
I've also had the luxury of very complex roulette programs to test the normal random drawdowns that can and do inevitably occur. You on the other hand lack all of the above.
Regarding your system. I've seen some of your testing. All I can say is the testing is suspect and incomplete at best. The entire foundation of the system immediately demonstrates that the system doesn't stand a chance in hell of working in the long run. I suspect that you already know this as well.
-Herb
Hmm I wonder why herb is here if nothing works why bother looking at these boards its always the 2.7% edge no matter what method you use
But you are wrong Herb you may be right about GUT you may not be but if you try the LW strategy that Victor and Lanky uses and I have used I has very little drawdown tho drawdowns can happrn but it is always grinding upwards
One reason why alot of people dont play it is becasue its a boring system that what grind methods are. but I emphasise they do win and win in long run as well
Regards Rodney
People
I'm about through posting movies. Very, very few people view them at all. Not worth my time and work. I thought it would be a good teaching tool, but it seems no one wants to learn much. I will continue to make the movies with comments, but not upload them. They are always great until uploaded to Motion Box.
I am also going to shorten the spiel at the beginning and just post the good stuff.
Sam
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Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
11.3.8.1,,,$24.50,,,$104
11.2.8.2,,,$50,,,$154
11.3.8.3,,,$22.50,,,$176.50
11.3.8.3,,,$36.50,,,$213.00
11.4.8.1,,,$15.50,,,$228.50
11.4.8.2,,,$8.50,,,$237
11.4.8.3,,,$40.50,,,$277.50
11.4.8.4,,,<$207>,,,$77.50
11.5.8.1,,,$149,,,$226.50
11.5.8.2,,,$80,,,$306.50
[/table]
I am certain someone somewhere sometime will accuse me of cheating/lying/whatever. I will always have the videos archived and can pull out my witness at a moment's notice.
If a person comes along who really wants to learn this, I'll proudly work with you.
And, yes, it's probably all luck!
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Interesting stuff in your vid Sam
I will for sure look at em from now on tc mate
Rodney
Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 05, 2008, 09:47:03 PM
People
I'm about through posting movies. Very, very few people view them at all. Not worth my time and work. I thought it would be a good teaching tool, but it seems no one wants to learn much. I will continue to make the movies with comments, but not upload them. They are always great until uploaded to Motion Box.
I am also going to shorten the spiel at the beginning and just post the good stuff.
Sam
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Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
11.3.8.1,,,$24.50,,,$104
11.2.8.2,,,$50,,,$154
11.3.8.3,,,$22.50,,,$176.50
11.3.8.3,,,$36.50,,,$213.00
11.4.8.1,,,$15.50,,,$228.50
11.4.8.2,,,$8.50,,,$237
11.4.8.3,,,$40.50,,,$277.50
11.4.8.4,,,<$207>,,,$77.50
11.5.8.1,,,$149,,,$226.50
11.5.8.2,,,$80,,,$306.50
[/table]
I am certain someone somewhere sometime will accuse me of cheating/lying/whatever. I will always have the videos archived and can pull out my witness at a moment's notice.
If a person comes along who really wants to learn this, I'll proudly work with you.
And, yes, it's probably all luck!
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Good Recovery Sam will it hold up as you say time will tell
Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 05, 2008, 09:47:03 PM
People
I'm about through posting movies. Very, very few people view them at all. Not worth my time and work. I thought it would be a good teaching tool, but it seems no one wants to learn much. I will continue to make the movies with comments, but not upload them. They are always great until uploaded to Motion Box.
I am also going to shorten the spiel at the beginning and just post the good stuff.
Sam
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
11.3.8.1,,,$24.50,,,$104
11.2.8.2,,,$50,,,$154
11.3.8.3,,,$22.50,,,$176.50
11.3.8.3,,,$36.50,,,$213.00
11.4.8.1,,,$15.50,,,$228.50
11.4.8.2,,,$8.50,,,$237
11.4.8.3,,,$40.50,,,$277.50
11.4.8.4,,,<$207>,,,$77.50
11.5.8.1,,,$149,,,$226.50
11.5.8.2,,,$80,,,$306.50
[/table]
I am certain someone somewhere sometime will accuse me of cheating/lying/whatever. I will always have the videos archived and can pull out my witness at a moment's notice.
If a person comes along who really wants to learn this, I'll proudly work with you.
And, yes, it's probably all luck!
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TCS,
After looking at your testing results I see that before 11.1.8.2. your biggest wins were no more than +35 but then after 11.2.8.3. you had several large wins of 44, 50, 80 and 149! What did you do differently that made you have bigger wins? Did you increase your unit bet from .50 to 1.00?
I increased by bet on 11.4.8.4. That was when I lost the $207.
Somedays you win more than others; just the nature of the beast.
Sam
GOOD WORK SAM....QUESTION: ALL RECOVERY WAS MADE WITH FLAT BET...DO YOU STILL THINK ITS A GOOD IDEA TO DOUBLE BET AFTER 50 UNITS DRAWDOWN ?
Kompressor
Yes, I do, just don't have the nerve to do it.
Sam
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
11.3.8.1,,,$24.50,,,$104
11.2.8.2,,,$50,,,$154
11.3.8.3,,,$22.50,,,$176.50
11.3.8.3,,,$36.50,,,$213.00
11.4.8.1,,,$15.50,,,$228.50
11.4.8.2,,,$8.50,,,$237
11.4.8.3,,,$40.50,,,$277.50
11.4.8.4,,,<$207>,,,$77.50
11.5.8.1,,,$149,,,$226.50
11.5.8.2,,,$80,,,$306.50
11.5.8.3,,,$42,,,$348.50
[/table]
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Mr Chips
I have a suggestion. To anyone who wants to learn a system, use the Bella Vegas wheel and do some thousands of tests as I have. Buy some software and capture the losses. Show us exactly and precisely why it won't work. Show us your daily total, before and after your trot.
I appreciate the banter. Don't stop on my account!
Sam
Wow I try test this on Dublinbet had awful trouble trying to get my bets on in time not how this can be played online maybe need remember layout of the numbers and play splits and such
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.27.8,,,$4.50,,,$4.50
10.27,,,$0.50,,,$5.00
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50
10.28.8.2,,,<$6>,,,$15.50
10.28.8.3,,,<8.50>,,,7
10.28.8.4,,,<$19.50>,,,<$12.50>
10.29.8,,,$15.50,,,$3.00
10.30.8.1,,,$25.5,,,$28.50
10.30.8.2,,,$36,,,$64.50
10.30.8.3,,,<$16>,,,$48.50
10.31.8.,,,$20.50,,,$69
11.1.8.1,,,<$37.50>,,,$31.50
11.1.8.2,,,$35.00,,,$66.50
11.1.8.3,,,<$10.00>,,,$56.50
Begin,,,betting,,,all xings
Rules,,,out the,,,window!
11.2.8.1,,,$15,,,$71.50
11.2.8.2,,,<$42.50>,,,$29.00
11.2.8.3,,,$44.00,,,$79.00
11.3.8.1,,,$24.50,,,$104
11.2.8.2,,,$50,,,$154
11.3.8.3,,,$22.50,,,$176.50
11.3.8.3,,,$36.50,,,$213.00
11.4.8.1,,,$15.50,,,$228.50
11.4.8.2,,,$8.50,,,$237
11.4.8.3,,,$40.50,,,$277.50
11.4.8.4,,,<$207>,,,$77.50
11.5.8.1,,,$149,,,$226.50
11.5.8.2,,,$80,,,$306.50
11.5.8.3,,,$42,,,$348.50
11.6.8.1,,,$19,,,$367.50
[/table]
People
I have to know--for truth now--if anyone is interested in these movies. I am having a hell of a time and I'm about to toss it.
I intended for the movies to be two things: a proof of sorts that I was not just adding my own money to the account. And I thought some soul out there might like to learn how to do this just in case it turns out that this is a way to make money.
I have two choices. I can make the movie without pauses and the user will just have to fast forward. I can use the Track4 as a notice that I am about to talk. If you move the guide a few times you'll get the hang of it.
Or I can use the pauses, then film that film on my TV and post that. Then only the salient points would be on screeen.
If no one gives a hoot, I'll just post results and move on.
I will go to $5 per number within a month or less. My wife is clamoring to "invest" in TWOCAT ENTERPRISES!
Sam
My head is not so far into the clouds that I do not consider the fact I may just be on a lucky streak. I may be riding an anomaly. Surfing the impossible, so to speak.
Enjoying your Vids Sam
OK, I have a new idea.
Later.........
Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 04, 2008, 03:56:32 PM
We's doin' good!!
Jur
What I need is a hired hand to stand around and PULL MY HEAD OUT!!
If you watch today's video 11.4.8.2, you'll see what I mean.
As winkel said, you can make dumb mistakes and still win.
I WILL stop making stupid mistakes!!
Thanks for your report!!
Sam
Sam,
I saw your video. Sometimes stupid mistakes make a profit. Sometime we do have luck ;D.
What I like more is your winnings. Looking real promising my friend. Keep it up, and keep the losses down.
TCS,
I am enjoying your videos as well, I am comparing them to what I am doing. I am playing the same way you are but I am not having the same success on RNG in fun mode, and I can't understand why? After over 500 spins I am near break-even.
After a loss, what exactly are you doing? Are you doubling your bet, trying to recoup your losses on the next trot? If so, what if you lose again?....are you then trippling your bet? Also, are you still stopping at spin 50 after your in profit or when exactly are you stopping?
My advice on the videos: keep them going but to make it easier on you, just play the whole thing without editing, if people want to see where and why you are betting, they can fast forward. Its pretty easy to figure out for anyone familiar with the GUT. Your voice isn't even needed. All that's needed is the track4, when a crossing is about to happen, then your bets to see the results.
If you keep having this much success at 5 units, I think you will be living large in no time!
Jur and mad
Yes, sometimes mistakes can pay off. When you shoot for the hole and luck it in, who knows? When you're not on a number and it hits, it shows!
Today I did not have a good trot. I lost some. I need to back off and rest a little and get his video thing out of my mind.
mad, I suppose I could easily post the edited videos without my voice, but I am always teaching. I taught a course today on something someone should watch. I started a new bet called "Green on the Screen" I figure as long as I'm there, I might as well show folks a few things. G.O.S. may take days to hit and then 3 will hit in ten spins. I have never lost money on it.
Still working on the videos. I hate getting my arse whipped by some bunch of bits and bytes!!
And THANK YOU both for your kind words.
Sam
madupz4
A more complete answer to you. As I posted in Money Management, my T.C.U.P.T is only an idea at this time. Here is the logic. If you are playing a system where you always get back to even, when you are down $100, double your bets and then--with the same number of bets won--you will not get even, you will win $100.
What am I doing now? I am pretty much flat betting all the time. Once or twice I have gone to $2.00. I am still learning the system. I feel it is NOT wrong to bet two crossing as once as one usually wins. So man times I will have 14 14 and 5 4 and the 5 will win and then the 14 next. What's wrong with that?
There is a ghost in my machine somewhere. This am I made an hour long video and when I played it, it was one minute.
I'll get it right!
Sam
[table=,]
Date,,,W/L,,,Total to Date
10.28.8,,,$16.50,,,$21.50.11.5.8.3,,,$42,,,$348.50
11.6.8.1,,,$19,,,$367.50
11.6.8.2,,,<$73.00>,,,$294.50
[/table]
People
The following is an unedited wmv file that should be perfect. It's a little long, but those with a little time on their hands can learn something. I outlined two different systems I use to make money. They work; have for years.
The last one, Green on the Screen, I actually bet. When I logged off after finishing the G.U.T, I logged back on. The second video is interesting.
Still working to make perfect tutorial videos.
All credit goes to winkel for the G.U.T. I am merely doing as he said--adding nothing!
Sam
EDIT: THERE IS NO SOUND ON EITHER VIDEO. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY, BUT I'M GOING TO WALK THE DOG AND SEE IF I GET SOUND FROM HER!!!
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The following video is one minute long. It is a continuation of the last ten minutes of the first one.
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Green on the Screen
i have followed a similar betting strategy last night on a touchbet american wheel, 0/00 split bet
here's the progression
17x1
8x2
5x3
4x4
3x5
2x6
2x7
won around 30 units
after this funny game i've started recording some G.U.T numbers but there was still too many people around the 2.50$ tables at 1.30 am
how you play your green on the screen sam ??
( I SAW SOMEBODY LOOSING TWO 5000$ BET...OUCH)
kompressor
I see green and I bet green. Normally the screen has ten numbers showing. If green is in the 10th hole, I bet green. I bet it ten times.
Sam
I have to see green
go completely off the screen
to bet the between.
Ron. [smiley=vrolijk_1.gif]
ALL VIDEOS HAVE BEEN DELETED
I shall begin a new thread.......
Videos will be right or not posted....
Sam