hi, has anyone withdrawn from a playtech casino before? i just want to know if anyone has had problems with them before i stick my money in, also if they give me a bonus will i have to bet a certain amount before i withdraw aswell?
Don't take bonuses at joyland ryan, no form of roulette counts for burning bonuses there.
Yes, they pay, after asking you to sign a doc and mail/fax it back.
Regards.
Victor
Yes - bonuses only count towards games like video poker/slot machines and you can imagine how that goes.....[smiley=smiley_down.gif]
Joyland is now quite a versatile casino, catering both the tight and loose budget punters, just look at these table limits:
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Just to let you guys know.
Victor
Thank you for that pretty blue picture. When the ban falls, I'll be there!
Sam
Hi
Look at the rogue casinos here:
nolinks://nolinks.casinomeister.com/rogue/index.php (nolinks://nolinks.casinomeister.com/rogue/index.php)
It concludes joyland
pgtmedu,
Thanks for that link. I must say though Joyland paid the very few I have asked (after bothering with documents, signatures, etc.).
Well, I noticed the roge complaint is from 2005.
Anyway, the main idea is:
- You have a working system.
- You start with the tiny tiny chips.
- Your system "does its thing" and you get your original invest back.
- You build from table to table using THEIR money, with plenty of room to grow.
...only thing you have to work out is: "having a working system".
Once someone said: "the difference between a small bet and a higher bet is TIME", this means if your approach works, you must be patient enough to build.
I am not advocating big deposits to joyland by posting the high tables, but advicing about the plenty of room to GROW on casino's money. Sorry joyland staff [smiley=laugh.gif]
Victor
@Sam
I think those are the most versatile Roulette Table limits I have ever seen.
Sure, CasinoWebcam, Betinternet and others have those $8000 max. tables... but the spread range suck.
$5-$5000 makes it a generous 1 to 1000 range.
If you have a working system those tables enable for a fair share of room to grow on casino's money.
Quote from: VLSroulette on December 15, 2008, 03:13:46 PM
...only thing you have to work out is: "having a working system".
Victor
Hi Victor,
Would you plz show me the working system. Which working system you're using?
Best regard
Dinh
HI folks,
Just to back up Victor and the joyland/ rogue casino thing.Around 3 months ago I decided to play at Joyland cos of the very low starter bets to try a few systems(I hate playing in non real),indeed its where i test the G.U.T.
I have been paid out 3 times here after jumping through a few hoops 1st time(they waited 4 days then requested documents etc).
Once they have your documents then the cashing out takes 4 days on Neteller.
I would play here for low stakes and take your winnings first ,to get registered ,before betting larger sums, so you can withdraw them quicker.
They are also very, very ,fast to respond to e-mail enquiries at the support desk.
Just my opinon of course
Good Luck
TSK
Oh yeah Ryan,
I contacted Joyland about being taken off their bonuses before I started and they did this within a 24 hour period for me.
I also play at Bet365(Im in the UK) and they pay me out to Neteller within 24 hours usually(good casino all round I think).They also need contacting about removal of bonuses.
Hope this helps
TSK
Quote from: pgtmedu on December 16, 2008, 03:52:03 AM
Hi Victor,
Would you plz show me the working system. Which working system you're using?
Best regard
Dinh
Hi Dinh,
I do fair myself with Lw's (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/) and also with the ATILA + Dispersion surfing (I.e. flat bet the minimum at the bad times) with 6 numbers more often than with 9 as the ATILA Money Management (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/the-atila-money-management/) post says.
As to the exit strategy, I'm pretty basic myself and do not like to neither stay betting on a bad run nor overpush my luck at a good run, not more than cautiously.
I have explained this before, some like it, some don't, but I can't complain how it has performed for me, as you know it all boils down to what works to each person and what you are comfortable with when betting.
This is why you must read and learn a lot, as you may not know the way you will be into for the rest of your life. Perhaphs your own personal tweak to a published strategy.
Your friend,
Victor
Hi Victor,
Thank for your post.
Good luck
Dinh
That casinomeister said Golden Casino was on their list because of a silly name.
I pay no attention to them. Surprised the casinos haven't killed this bird.
Sam
I will soon start playing for real money (finally), planning to build on casino's money as Victor described above.
Joyland will be the way to go for me. :)
I was hoping to use Dublinbet but I won't (at least for now) simply because:
1. The high table limits in outside bets (which I play).
2. They don't support Neteller (which I use).
Regards,
Marven
I've registered at joyland about a week ago.
I requested no bonus and in reply they said that no bnous will be given to my account.
I've deposited 20 quid and what happens? I'm getting another 20 quid in bonus.
So I don't wager and send another email to the support team. In the second reply I again read that the bonus will be taken off and no wagering limit to fulfil before cashing out.
I've read there are some documents they request before cashing out, so I made small cash out (5gbp) and it's all accepted, but today I've received an email
saying that the withdraw was blocked as I didn't fulfil the wagering limit!
I've written another mail to support with attachment of the 2 previous mails... We'll see what happens, but it's quite annoying.
I'll report how it went.
Best regards.
tryl.
Hi trylobit,
Please do report back on this.
Thanks,
Marven
QuoteIn the second reply I again read that the bonus [highlight]will be taken off[/highlight] and no wagering limit to fulfil before cashing out.
I notice this "will be taken off" part.
I suppose this may be another online casino "trick" as it is a standard practice among every online casino when you request no bonus: YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THEY TAKE OUT THE BONUS ENTIRELY BEFORE BETTING. If you wager one cent prior having the bonus removed, they have grounds to say you have accepted their bonus to bet and must fulfill wager requirements. (which in some form is true, the said they will remove it, but until then, that extra money in your account is bonus money subject to their terms).
Remember bonuses are there to LOCK your bankroll from withdrawal and force you to wager slots, so they can have as much degree of certainty as possible
for them you won't be able to take your money out. This is why the very first thing to do PIOR TO DEPOSITING is to turn your account into a no-bonus one. You must state you don't want sign-up bonus nor any other bonus ever (if you don't state this, they may swipe you a promotional bonus of any kind to your bankroll later, you wager 1 cent with this bonus, and according to them you have just "said yes" and agreed to fulfill wagering requirements on slots before you can withdraw).
Contacting support and stating clearly you want turning your account into a no-bonus account is the very first step for the conscious online bettor after registering to play for real. Of course, you must actually wait for the change to no-bonus to be enforced, else, they will give you a hard time at withdrawal.
Keep us posted dear trylobit.
Hi Victor!
Before deposing any money I send the request and I've received this:
Dear Andrzej,
Thank you for choosing Joyland Casino. This is Kat from the Support Team.
As per your request, your account has been blocked from receiving bonuses.
This will allow you to play any game of your choice and withdraw earned
winnings anytime.
Have a pleasant day Andrzej!
Should you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact
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I cannot check myself if the account is no-bonus.
They confirmed it in the email, so I thought it's done.
Quoteyour account has been blocked from receiving bonuses.
Remember who we are dealing with. Casinos like to appear as if they were players' best friend, but are they? They easily could be saying:
your account has been blocked from receiving [highlight]FURTHER[/highlight] bonuses, but you have accepted the ones on the account already.
Please check their terms. After being burned by bonuses' bankroll-locking in the past, pissed-off players turn their new accounts into no-bonus accounts first thing PRIOR TO DEPOSITING. That's the way. Like I mentioned, if you wagered anything while holding their bonus mixed in your bankroll, then they have grounds to say you accepted their bonus.
Also notice I'm not fully aware as to every casino's procedure for disabling bonuses after adding them. Some casinos require you to "zero-in" your account prior to changes such as currency exchange to take place, so you better talk to support and ask clearly if you are bounded by previous bonus acceptance at your
currently no-bonus account.
Best regards.
Your friend,
Victor
Hi all!
Here is the reply:
Hello,
This is online support.
I would like to inform you that your account has been checked again.Bonuses
are disabled indeed.Your withdrawal was declined by mistake.
Please request your withdrawal again.
We appologise for this inconvinience.
Best regards
Leonora
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Joyland casino
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I think they just like to tease me:P
Nice! :)
I am going to start playing there very soon, hence my concern.
Thanks for reporting back trylobit.
Cheers and happy winnings,
Marven
BTW
The table limit is 0,10-10,00gbp.
So the minimum table bet must be 0,10 (it can be combined bets).
What about the maximum table limit?
Is it 10gbp all together or max 10,00gbp per number?
Thanks!
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What's with the X?
Missed/faulty spin.
More likely it didn't made bettors happy, usually ends in bets returned with zero payout (common casino practice, casinowebcam, dubling and others been accused of it).
Regards.
Hi Victor!
Can you answer my question about table limits?
Thanks!
Hi Try,How u doin mate?
The 'X' happens a fair bit on joyland and it usually happens when the ball doesn't do 3 full rotations before hitting the numbers(a casino requirement).
The £10 marker I believe is valid for a spread or one bet but max per spin.
Regards TSK
Hi TSK!
Thanks for help.
Take care, mate:)
Quote from: trylobit on January 04, 2009, 03:19:43 PM
Hi Victor!
Can you answer my question about table limits?
Thanks!
Just like
the_spiders_kiss said.
You can spread min & max on various locations, but you can't neither bet less than the table min. nor go past table max for your bet to be accepted.
Victor
Victor,
At your image of joyland there is many tables with many limits. When I log in I see only 0,10-10gbp and 0,50-50gbp.
Does it mean joyland doesn't have any more those other kinds of tables or is it because I have only 30gbp on my account?
Thanks!
Continue playing, I didn't make anything for them to show at that account. One day, they were just there. I guess you'll have to stay with them more.
Warning: I've played at joyland with a "medium roller", the guy who cancelled the €3000 euro transfer and lost it. Hopefully they don't enable those tables based on perceived value from a previous loss. (account to account basis then?) ::)
When you have the time you may want to ask casino support about your particular limits, they are familiar with you already! :)
QuoteThe 'X' happens a fair bit on joyland and it usually happens when the ball doesn't do 3 full rotations before hitting the numbers(a casino requirement).
Normally if the ball doesn't do 3 spins of the wheel they just do a re-spin. Those Xs are real suspicious I feel and seem to be because of a "technical problem" as the pit-boss usually says (something reasonably big has to happen for him to be called in). It just makes me wonder who's bet on what for that to happen.
Please note that the table limits are set by default by the system for new
players.
Your table limits will eventually increase once your VIP level increases.
Usually, the more you play, the sooner you may be invited to join our VIP
club. Once a member, continued playing will likely lead to VIP upgrades.
The Casino Management notifies players by email when they become eligible for
VIP status. We hope this will happen to you soon. Until then, we invite you to
continue enjoying what the Casino has to offer and wish you luck at the gaming
tables!
So Victor, I see you must be a VIP at joyland;)
When I asked how to get the VIP and can I track my progress,
They said that VIP is granted depending on date of opening account, betting patterns (???) and comp points...
So I suppose as long as I'm playing for peanuts It will take some time... (I've got 94 comp points...)
br.
tryl.
For few days at joyland nr 14 is hot.
Maybe it's just when I'm online, but it hits more often then 1/37.
Just to let you know.
Br.
Tryl.
Hum... number 14... that one is frequent for me too. But I wouldn't recall it as biased, just noticed it being hot at many samples. hum.........
I've just discovered that: Joyland 32Vegas and EuroGrand are the same casino! They don't even have different wheels!
They all just show the same wheel all the time! Unbelievable! They could at least buy three wheels and transmit different wheel at every casino...
Is there any more casinos that belongs to that corporation?
Hi trylobit,
That live wheel feed is the Playtech live wheel feed from the Philippines.
Many online casinos use that feed. It doesn't necessarily mean they are the same casino. :)
Regards,
Marven
Ok... I see...
Can I found somewhere a list witch casino use whose wheel feed?
Thanks.
BR
Tryl
Umm.. not sure.
You can find live wheel casinos in this thread:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/live-roulette-casinos/all-live-roulette-casinos/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/live-roulette-casinos/all-live-roulette-casinos/)
And then you can easily check the software/feed provider of every casino by seeking the provider logo in the casino's homepage.
For example, in the case of Joyland, if you look down their homepage you will see the Playtech logo. That means they use Playtech software and live feed for their games.
Regards,
Marven
Hi Try
BET365 uses the same wheels.Is a very good casiono which I have withdrawn to Neteller within 2 days often
TSK
Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on January 25, 2009, 06:41:41 PM
Hi Try
BET365 uses the same wheels.Is a very good casiono which I have withdrawn to Neteller within 2 days often
TSK
Yes they are very fast with withdrawals for any method(Visa,MB...),I also played there until they not increase the table limit with minimum 2 euros on any bet at the table. :-\
Quote from: Marven on January 25, 2009, 04:01:03 PM
Hi trylobit,
That live wheel feed is the Playtech live wheel feed from the Philippines.
Many online casinos use that feed. It doesn't necessarily mean they are the same casino. :)
Regards,
Marven
I actually think this is a good thing. I mean if most casinos use this feed, its impossible to cheat. There will be so many bets placed at the same, it impossible to calculate that fast to see what number gives them the most profit. And if you dont trust the live video feed. Why dont you run 3 different casino software from 3 different company's (a lot of different casino have the same company so dont use those) And look for anomalies?
Quote from: Ka2 on February 18, 2009, 07:03:40 AM
I actually think this is a good thing. I mean if most casinos use this feed, its impossible to cheat. There will be so many bets placed at the same, it impossible to calculate that fast to see what number gives them the most profit. And if you dont trust the live video feed. Why dont you run 3 different casino software from 3 different company's (a lot of different casino have the same company so dont use those) And look for anomalies?
I'd say you're right mate.
I don't really believe there is anything with the feed or the wheel results etc.
What you should worry about is the casino itself and whether they pay or just lock your profit under some silly excuse.
You can read many reports of this actually happening.
Cheers,
Marven
QuoteWhy dont you run 3 different casino software from 3 different company's (a lot of different casino have the same company so dont use those) And look for anomalies?
It seems you'll need to have 3 different computers running at the same time too. Nothing hard to do along with 2 fellow gambling mates. Joyland and their fellow sites tell you about one casino already being run!
Regards.
Victor
Here my question:
Say 1,000 players are playing Joyland. By pure chance all 1,000 click "spin" at exactly the same time. Not even 1 10,000th of a second off; exactly the same time. (I know it's not possible; work with me, here.)
Would all thousand get the same number? Does the RNG produce numbers at the rate of, say, one per second. All who ask for a spin within the time leading up to the end of that second will get the same number?
OR
Does each player have his own RNG going which is designed just for him and can beat him at will? We all know how expensive (laugh!) it would be to build an RNG with a brain to beat you. Pennies compared to millions won!
What say ye?
Sam
Sam - I think that's a very good question. I'll ask Joyland :)
MM
QuoteWe all know how expensive (laugh!) it would be to build an RNG with a brain to beat you.
Declare
uncovered as array
for each number with bets == 0 { addTo(
uncovered); }
randomPickFrom(
uncovered);
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In the UK they have roulette machines in the bookmakers. Coral bookmakers one of the largest chains has 4 machines in each shop. It is well known that if you press spin at the exact same time as someone else you are given the same number. You find guys trying out strategies to exploit this. So it is possible your question of a 1000 players hitting the same number at the same time. I doubt the software companies would divulge any info of this occuring if its the same online. Anyway VLS has just given them a free sample of code to stop us winning. :(
Quote from: Ulysses on February 18, 2009, 02:45:40 PM
Anyway VLS has just given them a free sample of code to stop us winning. :(
Dear Ulysses,
that code doesn't work,
it isn't computer code. That is just a funny human-readable "pseudo-code", a la C++ ;)
Point being you don't need to create any sophisticated functions into an RNG to "learn" systems and act against them; it is simply a matter of keeping the wins lower than the losses by merely identifiying empty numbers and picking one among them, no need to setup any neural network when it is the casino the one sending the numbers.
Placing wagers with any casino is a trusting relationship; this is basically why casinos are supposed to avoid cheating... although I read once at the spanish forum shall there be a big sign at the automated tables saying "This machine's mechanism is cheating with air and magnets", there will still be players wagering over the premise that "cheating mechanism might fail next spin" ::)
Live and learn!
Anything, that is 100% harmless code, try using it as computer code by compiling it and get compilation errors :)
Your friend,
Victor