I'd like to think a good system should be easy to remember, quick to initiate and makes 10% or better of your bankroll in about 15-20 minutes. Any thoughts?
15-20 minutes?? :o My 5-10 hours of play per visit looks like I'm on the right track. Ken
One that wins every time with flat bets.
Quote from: Shorty on November 17, 2008, 12:23:50 PM
One that wins every time with flat bets.
Shorty, wouldn't that be "The Holy Grail"? Would you settle for one that wins more than it looses over a period of time?
Sam
Haha I was joking. ;) I don't play systems seriously anymore.
Herb turned me over to the dark side.
wrong shorty... theres one other system u forgot to mention .. hamsup and shorty's dodgiest "system" !!!
muahahaha
:D
Hams
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on November 17, 2008, 12:19:14 PM
I'd like to think a good system should be easy to remember, quick to initiate and makes 10% or better of your bankroll in about 15-20 minutes. Any thoughts?
"What makes a good Roulette System?"
Okay, the answer should be ANY system that wins more than loses.
Having answered that, I also have to say this. In my humble opinion, explosive systems aren't consistent enough. I am biased towards slow systems ("mills" & grinds).
With a slow system you see clearly when you are on a bad run and it is worth gold too; the main idea of a system to me is to win and lose systematically; this way you are fluctuating and can choose to quit when you are up a conservative ammount and quit in the sight of a losing tendency.
Losing slowly gives you time to realize the losing trend is on, and have the option to quit before giving it all back. Better to save remaining units to either split them or save them for piggybacking a session when you are facing a more positive tram.
You can't quit explosive systems so easily until you are broke, there is no middle point. You either see heaven or hell. A Martingale-like system is
to eat like a bird and poo like an elephant.
Regards.
Victor
I DON'T have it yet ;) but a good system would consist of the following, I think:
1. playing few numbers per spin (say, 14 and under)
2. easy to caculate mentally if required (no pen and paper needed)
3. predictable and relatively easy loss recovery (not requiring large progressions)
Can it be done? Well, WHAT can't be done?? (my philosophy)
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Those 3 points sound like a good mantra to me new Ken.....[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
"elephant poo"
;D @ Victor
Truth be told, it's the best fertilizer known to man. They sell it at zoos and call it "Zoo Do". I think "Zoo Poo" would be even better.
Sam
Sure, XMAN. Of course, careful study of the game can yeild avenues to explore. One of the things I (and surely others) have considered potentially exploitable, for example, is the fact of repeating nos in a 38 spin cycle, and also that each 38 spins will contain usually 24/25 nos. I've seen some attempts to utilise that data("Raindrops" is intriguing), but feel better things are yet to come.
But that's only one area---there are obviously many others equally worthy of attention.
And then there are those folks who, tantalisingly, say they have the grail already!...
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Every bodies definition of the "Grail" is different for each of us..... :o
AS for the people claiming they have the grail, well be weary of a "wise man" bearing gifts..... 8)
I think one of the first things you learn in this pursuit is to be wary ;) :)
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Dear friends, there IS such a thing as a PERSONAL holy grail. For instance, for somebody going scarcely ever to the casino who has never seen a 10+ run of reds, the holy grail is.... a 10-step martingale (1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512). He can claim to have a system that has never lost him a session and he is telling the turth, but what a system that is!
So, in short: PERSONAL holy grail, beating PERSONAL sets of experienced actuals = YES, completely possible and many have it already. Be it based on the layout, the disk, the dealers or as per any other way the player faces the game.
UNIVERSAL holy grail, beating every set of numbers in the world, for every roulette in existance, for every non-stop simulation... well: there will always be "one million more spins to beat" to claim the system beats infinity, so... make your own conclusions as to the existance of an universal grail ::)
In my opinion what we as players must aim is to have a system that nets more than it loses for each one of us, for our personal roulette experience. It doesn't matter if the system doesn't beat a certain roulette overseas.
Many of the systems players use to grind their units are useless in simulations over millions spins. ATILA (the person) said he couldn't care about the progression not beating the simulations (i.e. bruteforcing the progression until it losses). As long as it worked for him in a good ratio for the nights he visits the casinos it is okay.
Netting more than losing is the key, said by almost every successful player I know.
Quote from: VLSroulette on November 18, 2008, 05:40:55 PM
Dear friends, there IS such a thing as a PERSONAL holy grail. For instance, for somebody going scarcely ever to the casino who has never seen a 10+ run of reds, the holy grail is.... a 10-step martingale (1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512). He can claim to have a system that has never lost him a session and he is telling the turth, but what a system that is!
So, in short: PERSONAL holy grail, beating PERSONAL sets of experienced actuals = YES, completely possible and many have it already. Be it based on the layout, the disk, the dealers or as per any other way the player faces the game.
UNIVERSAL holy grail, beating every set of numbers in the world, for every roulette in existance, for every non-stop simulation... well: there will always be "one million more spins to beat" to claim the system beats infinity, so... make your own conclusions as to the existance of an universal grail ::)
In my opinion what we as players must aim is to have a system that nets more than it loses for each one of us, for our personal roulette experience. It doesn't matter if the system doesn't beat a certain roulette overseas.
"Personal holy grail" I have to come to agree with you with this Victor.
Quote from: Mr Chips on November 19, 2008, 05:56:38 AM
I have to disagree with this idea of having a 'personal holy grail'. In whatever field of activity or interest,
people strive to attain a particular 'holy grail'. For example the holy grail in Mathematics is the Riemann hypothesis.
When someone provides a proof there has to be a consensus of opinion among the Maths fraternity that the holy grail
of maths has been achieved. I don't see why it should not be the same for a roulette system.
In my opinion there are two holy grails in roulette, for numbers (inside of the layout) and even chance (the outside).
I have an EC system that I have successfully used in casino's for a number of years, but it is not my personal holy grail.
There is absolutely no reason why anyone should believe that I have such a system. It therefore debases the
whole concept of having a holy grail, when you get a number of people supposedly having their own holy grails.
It should be made clear that in order for there to be a roulette system to be called a holy grail, it must have the
consensus of opinion on this forum, meet the requirements of the maths people, and generally have wide agreement
that it is an outstanding system and no other system has so far attained the necessary requirements to be called a
holy grail.
Mr Chips
Hello Mr Chips,
Thank you for your insights,I am reading your post with great interest.The question I have is is there a holy grail when roulette cannot be beaten under continous play.We all know this and have accept this as a fact,of course I haven't been playing roulette long enough to know anything useful at all but what I do know is."It is very difficult to win small amounts but easy to lose large amounts".
This is a very layman and basic statement I would like to add,I hope you do share more about your experiences.I am still a beginner and everyday learning new stuff.
As for the holy grail,I do believe it exists and after confirmation they do exist that is according to a fellow member who is very experienced in roulette as yourself.They do not come in a form of mathematics as roulette cannot be beaten by maths that is based on the shallow knowledge that I have.
In a unlevel playing field and an unjustified payout and odds,you need to cheat to win large amounts.You will defintely need this "grail"
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Best regards,
Jerek
Quote from: Mr Chips on November 19, 2008, 06:45:57 AM
see_jerek,
I am certain there will be a holy grail of roulette, but getting to the stage where it is universally accepted as being
the holy grail is no easy task.
A simple basic system will not achieve the ultimate goal. I would not criticise such systems, as you can achieve good
short term results and if you quit while your ahead then you can say that particular system made me x £$.
For the long term a roulette system has to have certain attributes to enable it to survive draw downs, a number of losses
and make sufficient continuous profits and it must all be realistic, in other words that anyone could achieve at a casino.
Mr Chips
Hello Mr Chips,
Thank you for your response.It really brings me great delight to hear from an "seasoned sailor" that a holy grail exist.We will all be looking forward to it and I am also looking forward to taking a look at your EC system on your section and of course congrats to having your own section.I cant post my well wishes there.
Best regards,
Jerek
Isn't it interesting that EACH NUMBER played has about 35 CHANCES/spins TO WIN---and we struggle to find a reliable method??????
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