What are peoples favourite methods of playing the even chances with the six point divisor ?
I have been experimenting with the last dozens but it isn't very secure in my opinion...
Betting even chances (1 unit bet covers 50%)
Betting two dozens (2 units cover 66%)
Thats 100% more betting units to cover just 16% more of the table, this just doesn't sound right!
Anybody care to share their ideas?
I have made a bot and i will release it if/when i can have it making steady money using a system based on ANY or all of the even chance bets and the six point divisor, so please if anyone has any suggestions post them! ;)
Quote from: mikeyboy on November 21, 2008, 01:39:34 PM
Betting even chances (1 unit bet covers 50%)
Betting two dozens (2 units cover 66%)
1unit doesn't covers 50% !
It does if you play no zero roulette... :)
Is this what you meant? Any suggestions?
yes that is what i mean..
but i havent seen real no zero roulette
Nobody have any points of view at all? :o
QuoteBetting even chances (1 unit bet covers 50%)
Betting two dozens (2 units cover 66%)
Thats 100% more betting units to cover just 16% more of the table, this just doesn't sound right!
I think the main goal of betting 2 dozens is to have lesser dispersion of hits. In this sense one just can't complain about the 2 required units.
The layout's even chances locations are there to serve the hardcore math-oriented person who doesn't care about roulette as a device and only focuses in probability. 18 numbers are 18 numbers, no matter how you pick them, so 1 unit covering them is fair. 24 numbers can't be covered by 1 single unit as there isn't any location making it (i've always thought there should be a bet for covering dozens 1-2 and 2-3 with 1 unit, as much as columns too), so having to add the extra unit is, well, in some people's eyes a good deal too. Covering 24 numbers using 2 units is a good deal too! You've got a point there mike, but unless we have that. Anyway, there are good MM plans for 2 dozens :) Perhaphs you can code some with your bot [smiley=thumbsup.gif], how about the 6-point plan or my leftmost cancellation?
Hello
That 50%/66% gives me something to think about. I really doesn't seem right!
Sam
Yes its interesting thoughts indeed. :)
Not in a matter of 5 hours. Give folks some time to think it over or at least come across it first ;)
The first thing that comes to mind is you would need flexibility on how much you can bet on the E/Cs. ie the units need to be broken down to fit the 6point divisors calculations. This may seem obvious but unlike dozens you can't spread the bet across two places. Does that make any sense? I'm no guru on the 6Pt plan so maybe not lol
Roules
Quote from: Boo_Ray on November 21, 2008, 06:13:14 PM
Quote from: mikeyboy on November 21, 2008, 01:39:34 PM
Betting even chances (1 unit bet covers 50%)
Betting two dozens (2 units cover 66%)
1unit doesn't covers 50% !
In this context this usually means it's close enough to 50% - a zero is counted as a loss as is the opposite colour bet.
Of course 2 units doesn't cover 66% for that matter either.
I play on a no zero genuine RNG roulette casino, so the 50% and 66% (66.6% recurring if you want to be pedantic ;)) are correct
roules: not really getting you... ? "the units need to be broken down to fit the 6point divisors calculations" .... Hmmm.... ???
I'm currently experimenting with betting 1 unit after 3 EC's, if that loses then bet 1 unit again, if that loses then bet 2 units.
So the progression is 1,1,2 (2nd and 3rd bet we break even, no point chasing it to lose more)
All losses are added to a 6 point divisor of which the divisor goes up after every two losses but if we lose on the third attempt of the progression we add 1 anyway...
Will keep fiddling ;)
Quoteroules: not really getting you... ? "the units need to be broken down to fit the 6point divisors calculations" .... Hmmm.... Huh?
Yeah I struggled to convey what I wanted to say there. What I meant was can you break down the units easily or are you stuck with whole dollars? Wouldn't matter too much anyway as you could just round up/down.
I'm assuming you're playing at betfair for the no zero wheel - gotta love that blue and white layout!
Lanky says his divisor plan works on e/cs as well.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/msg267/#msg267 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/msg267/#msg267)
Hi mikeyboy.
I like even money and i think the 6 PDP would work great.
I just want to say, no matter what staking plan you use, always start with 3 flat bets.
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You see when you have a selection, then W and LW will chop above LLW and when you hit LLL thats easy to recoup, a 3 unit loss.
So i am saying, no matter what staking plan you use, always start every attack with 3 flat bets.
Cheers LS
Quote from: lucky strike on November 27, 2008, 11:03:12 AM
Hi mikeyboy.
I like even money and I think the 6 PDP would work great.
I just want to say, no matter what staking plan you use, always start with 3 flat bets.
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You see when you have a selection, then W and LW will chop above LLW and when you hit LLL thats easy to recoup, a 3 unit loss.
So I am saying, no matter what staking plan you use, always start every attack with 3 flat bets.
Interesting idea, thanks Lucky Strike, i will do some testing, done two tests with 1,1,2 - both have made me 60+ units (the goal, 10 games of 6/6=1) within 1100 spins, max drawdown was 170 units but recovered well, the other only had a max drawdown of 80 units... will keep testing :)
Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 25, 2008, 12:22:00 AM
Hello
That 50%/66% gives me something to think about. I really doesn't seem right!
Sam
It does Sam.
Check this
2 dozen vs. 1 ec. = 64,68% vs. 48,65% (European roulette). So for 16,03 more change of hitting risk 50% more bet. Seems unfair agreed.
Than
1 dozen vs. 1 ec. = 32,43% vs. 48,65% (European roulette). So for 16,22 less change of hitting earn 100% more. Sounds like the ec. is unfair compared to 1 dozen bet?
Etc. etc.
It's the math of the game. The more risk taken on the bet the bigger the win. The les the risk the smaller the win.
I don't see what you're all getting so worked up for...
It's not about what you risk, I mean... 2 units = 1 unit of double size...
Either way... The focus should be on this and nothing else:
66% chance -> 50% pay
50% chance -> 100% pay
Betting double Doz/Col is a bad idea...
QuoteBetting double Doz/Col is a bad idea...
And would know this How alarian ??
Because of the way You Play It ????
Or because You have made a long study of the Lw method in the Strategy section ???
Lanky.
Quote from: Lanky on February 20, 2009, 08:35:41 PM
And would know this How alarian ??
Because of the way You Play It ????
Or because You have made a long study of the Lw method in the Strategy section ???
Lanky.
In relation to even chances...
I like playing double 2to1, but in my opinion, even chances are better for a divisor plan
Don't take it personal mate...
QuoteIn relation to even chances...
I like playing double 2to1, but in my opinion, even chances are better for a divisor plan
Don't take it personal mate...
alarian .
No problems Mate We are sweet.
Yes Evens are the best odds unless we are chaseing the L's which would be playing a single dozen that pays the 2/1....But in the end it will depend on the dispersions that go against You that will make the difference Mate.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
if I place a bet on one ec and one dz at the same time, would it be possible to also use the 6pdp?
Quote from: HansHuckebein on February 25, 2009, 08:53:54 AM
if I place a bet on one ec and one dz at the same time, would it be possible to also use the 6pdp?
Sorry for the Late reply My Friend.
But yes it would be possible to use the 6 point Divisor Playing that way.
It would probably be easier with Low High Bets combined with the Dozen Cobber
But If You want to put some examples of what & How Your Playing I will do it for You Mate.
Good On Ya Mate.
Lanky.
lanky, thanks for your help. :)
ok, here is what i've thought about (it's col. instead of doz. now):
I would start by either playing 1 unit on black and 2nd col or 1 unit on red an 3rd col. bet decision is one before last.
example
B
B
bet 1 on black, 1 on 2nd col
2 B
won 3 units and would start again
1 on black, 1 on 2nd col
36 R
lost 2 units.
so now I would like to use the 6pdp. can you show me how I must calculate to have again the same amount on the colour and the column?
greets
hans
Hi HansHuckebein .
That's OK Mate...I try & help where I can.
Now I know what You are doing I will just say this Cobber.
The 1st column is the longest running Column I have ever seen in person it once hit
14 times in a row then a Zero then another 4 in Row.
It could just be when I walk in but I see it run a heck of a lot of times.
Which means absolutely nothing to You....But Knowing that May help someone.
Now if You would Pm Me some numbers that You have ...like say 30-40 I will do them with the Divisor & post the results here for You Mate.
That way I be can't seen as Cooking the numbers up to suit My self.
Good On Ya Mate.
Lanky.
Lanky
You didn't ask, but when did that stop me? ;D
Here's 124 numbers from Riverbelle Live yesterday if you want them. I assure you, they are totally raw. Never been close to the skillet or the oven!
Sam
Hi Hans & Sam.
I did this in the safest way ....Not the aggressive way.
Safest is always best while learning.
Every time I got even or won a unit I restarted the betting.
It will look messy because of the all the writing I did to explain things.
But once learned it would be Condensed down to a lot less.
13-No Bet marina ccw
24-No Bet >the bet is B/C2
27-6/6=1x1=8 Lost >the bet is B/C2
3-6/8=2x2=12 Lost >Div up to 7 >the bet is R/C3
9-7/12=2x2=16 WON-less10 back=6= Even>Start again >the bet is R/C3
10-6/6=1x1=8 Lost >the bet is R/C3
2-6/8=2x2=12 Lost >Div up to 7 >the bet is B/C2
7-7/12=2x2=16 Lost >the bet is B/C2
6-7/16=3x3=22=Lw >Div bet the same >the bet is R/C3
30-7/16=3x3=22 WON-less 15 back=7>div down to 6 >the bet is B/C2
3-6/7=2x2=11 Lost >the bet is R/C3
6-6/11=2x2=15=Lw-less 6 back=9 >Div down to 5 > the bet is R/C3
30-5/9=2x2=13 WON-less 10 back=3-6 win target= [+3] Profit
>>>The bet is B/C2
0-6/6=1x1=8 lost >the bet is off #6 so its B/C2
36-6/8=2x2=12 Lost >Div up to 7 >the bet is R/C3
5-7/12=2x2=16 Lw>same Div bet>the bet is R/C3
29-7/12=2x2=16 Lost > the bet is R/C3
28-7/16=3x3=22 Lost >div up to 8>the bet is B/C2
24-8/22=3x3=28=Lw Same Div bet >the bet is B/C2
26-8/22=3x3=28 WON-less 15 back=13>div down to 7>the bet is B/C2
23-7/13=2x2=17=Lw-less 6 back=11>div down to 6>the bet is B/C2
22-6/11=2x2=15=Lw>same Div bet>the bet is R/C3
21-6/11=2x2=15 WON- less 10 back=5-less 6 win target is +1+3=[+4] profit
>>>The bet is B/C2
20-6/6=1x1=8 WON-less 5 back=3-less 6 win Target is +3+4=[+7} Profit.
End of Session One
The Target of 6+1=7 is reached in 22 Bets
Start of Session Two.
The Bet is R/C3
31-6/6=1x1=8 Lost >bet is B/C2
35-6/8=2x2=12 WON-less 10 back=2 less 6 Win target is [+4} Profit
>>>The bet is B/C2
32-6/6=1x1=8 lost>the bet is B/C2
10-6/8=2x2=12=Lw >Same Div bet> the bet is R/C3
32-6/8=2x2=12=Lw>same Div bet>the bet is B/C2
23-6/8=2x2=12=Lw-less6 back=6 = even and a carry over profit of [+4]
>>>The bet is R/C3
0-6/6=1x1=8 lost >The bet is R/C3
30-6/8=2x2=12 WON-less10 back=2-less 6 Win target is +4+4=[+8] profit
End of Session Two.
The Target of 6+2=8 is reached in 8 Bets.
Start of Session Three
The Bet is R/C3
25-6/6=1x1=8=Lw>Div betthe same >the bet is R/C3
3-6/1=1x1=8 Won-less 5 back=3-less 6 win target is [+3] Profit
>>>The bet is R/C3
28-6/6=1x1=8 Lost >the bet is R/C3
23-6/8=2x2=12=Lw>div bet the same>the bet is B/C2
24-6/8=2x2=12=Lw>Div bet the same >the bet is R/C3
18-6/8=2x2=12 WON-less10 back=2-less 6 win target is +4+3=[+7] profit
End of Session 3
The Target of 6+1=7 is reached in 6 bets.
I said I would do 30 to 40 spins
I did 38 spins & 36 Bets.
There was 3 Sessions played with a Profit of 22 Units.(If I did it correctly of course)
Now depending on the Unit Size that is a very good Win
EG:..$10 units = $220 Won
I will stop here as I do everything by hand.
I am sure some-one with Rx Etc will do the rest for You.
Your Friend .
Lanky.
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Lanky
Is there a way to use the divisor on 1 to 2 payoffs such as betting two dozens or two columns?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 07, 2009, 02:51:30 PM
Lanky
Is there a way to use the divisor on 1 to 2 payoffs such as betting two dozens or two columns?
Sam
Sam I will find a Link & post it here for You Mate.
If I can't find one I will do one for You anyway My Friend.
Good Onya Mate.
Lanky.
Quote from: Lanky on March 09, 2009, 12:58:27 AM
Sam I will find a Link & post it here for You Mate.
If I can't find one I will do one for You anyway My Friend.
Good Onya Mate.
Lanky.
Samster here is the Link for You My Good Friend.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/re-6-point-plan-for-two-dozens-(lanky)/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/re-6-point-plan-for-two-dozens-(lanky)/)
Any questions just ask Cobber.
Love to the Wife Mate.
Lanky.
Lankster........
Thanks a ton, Bro. People can always count on you!
Good to hear the great report on Nancy. The two of you have had your crosses to bear. So has Marcia.
Growing older is not for the faint of heart!
Sam
hi lanky,
sorry that it took me so lomg to reply. i was on a business tripp and sort of working my butt off.
but now I have some days off from work and will try to use the 6pdp as you've explained :thumbsup:.
BIG thanks fro Hans :)
Hi guys, any link out there to explain 6pdp to a total newbie? (https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinkss%3A%2F%2Fimagicon.info%2Fcat%2F10-3%2Fsmile2.png&hash=471c4bfde9a8eaaecc106f26429c893406565ad6)