Hi All
I read and learend alot on this forum , and the LW´s stragtegy is by far the best method around here
now what i did is added the LW strategy to a way of playing the Red and Black bets with quit good results,
How the system works:
i only use flat betting no progressions , except a good money management like the 6 point divisor plan thnx Lanky ;)
what it does is , tracking the last 4 outcomes back and compare it with the actual outcome when its the same increase the
stage where it is by 1 and if its the opposite color decrase it by 1 in the stage where it is the opposite ,
if one stage is more dominant then the others count the colors back by the amount of the stage , and bet on this color,
an example of an RNG game on Mapau casino
stage 1 | stage 2 | stage 3 | stage 4 |
B | | | |
R | | | |
B | | | |
R | | | |<---- make four freespins to collect the data for the fifth spin
B -1 | 1 | -1 | 1 |<---- now what if done here is compared the B with the four previous outcomes
B 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | if its the same color B increase by 1 if its the opposite color R decrease by 1
R -1 | -1 | 1 | -1 |
R 0 | -2 | 0 | 0 |
B -1 | -3 | 1 | 1 |
R -2 | -2 | 2 | 0 |<---- now what we have here is a dominant stage (stage 3) wich means
R -1 | -3 | 3 | 1 | VW we have to track back the stage number wich is in this case number 3
R 0 | -2 | 2 | 2 | VW in our spin history , and then bet on that color in this case bet on R ,
the VW stands for Virtual Win and this i do the hole session long
B -1 | -3 | 3 | 1 |VW
B 0 | -4 | 0 | 2 |VL i always track back the number of the dominant stage.. except stages are equal
B 1 | -3 | -1 | 1 | RW stands for Real Win
B 2 | -2 | 0 | 0 |
B 3 | -1 | 1 | 1 |VW
B 4 | 0 | 2 | 2 |VW
B 5 | 1 | 3 | 3 |VW
B 6 | 2 | 4 | 4 |VW
B 7 | 3 | 5 | 5 |VW
R 6 | 2 | 4 | 4 |VL
B 5 | 3 | 5 | 5 |VW
B 6 | 2 | 6 | 6 |
R 5 | 1 | 7 | 5 |
B 4 | 2 | 8 | 4 |VL
B 5 | 1 | 9 | 5 |VW <----- the third time we had a LW pattern with the next L we bet Real on W
B 6 | 2 | 8 | 6 |VW
B 7 | 3 | 9 | 5 |LW
B 8 | 4 | 10 | 6 |RW<----- Real bet won
R 7 | 3 | 9 | 5 |VL
B 6 | 4 | 10 | 6 |RW
R 5 | 5 | 9 | 5 |VL
B 4 | 6 | 8 | 6 |RW
B 5 | 5 | 9 | 5 |VL
R 4 | 4 | 10 | 4 |RL<----- Real bet Lost
B 3 | 5 | 11 | 3 |RL<----- three L´s in a row wich means next time two L´s show i bet on L
B 4 | 4 | 12 | 4 |RW
B 5 | 5 | 11 | 5 |VW
R 4 | 4 | 10 | 6 |VW
R 5 | 3 | 9 | 5 |VL
B 4 | 2 | 10 | 6 |RW
B 5 | 1 | 9 | 7 |VW
B 6 | 2 | 8 | 6 |VL
R 5 | 1 | 7 | 7 |RL<---- two L´s wich means next bet will be on L also iam equal wich means i make free
B 4 | 2 | 8 | 8 | spins till i have a dominant stage
R 3 | 3 | 7 | 7 |
B 2 | 4 | 6 | 8 |<---- dominant stage is the 4th wich means if i count back the
R 1 | 5 | 5 | 9 |RW history spins 4 times i end at B but i bet this time on L
R 2 | 4 | 6 | 8 |VW wich means i bet on R
B 1 | 3 | 7 | 7 |VW
B 2 | 2 | 6 | 8 |
B 3 | 3 | 5 | 7 |VW
B 4 | 4 | 6 | 6 |VL
R 3 | 3 | 5 | 5 |
R 4 | 2 | 4 | 4 |
R 5 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
R 6 | 4 | 4 | 2 |RW
R 7 | 5 | 5 | 3 |VW
B 6 | 4 | 4 | 2 |VL
R 5 | 5 | 5 | 3 |RW
B 4 | 6 | 4 | 2 |
R 3 | 7 | 3 | 3 |VL
R 4 | 6 | 4 | 2 |RW
R 5 | 7 | 3 | 3 |VL
R 6 | 8 | 4 | 2 |RW
R 7 | 9 | 5 | 3 |VW
R 8 | 10 | 6 | 4 |VW
B 7 | 9 | 5 | 3 |VL
R 6 | 10 | 6 | 4 |RW
B 5 | 11 | 5 | 3 |VL
B 6 | 10 | 6 | 2 |RW
R 5 | 9 | 7 | 1 |VW
B 4 | 10 | 8 | 0 |VW
B 5 | 9 | 9 | 1 |VW
B 6 | 10 | 8 | 2 |
R 5 | 9 | 7 | 3 |VL
B 4 | 10 | 8 | 4 |RW
with flat betting only this would be a total profit of + 9 units but my advice ist to play it with a good money management like
the 6 point divisor plan
happy testing and ask me everything you want about this system..
cheerz
Breeze88, thanks for the post & sharing the system.
It is excellent you have tweaked the Lw's to suit your own style!
Guys: Every flat betting method with consistent profits deserves attention, this is how you really beat the wheel.
...How many sessions have you tried this "forum baby" (newborn system here ;))
Your friend,
Victor
Hi Victor
thnx four your comment ,
i tested this 'baby' for 20 sessions now because its actual a new system and ended everytime in profit
or at least I broke even(happened two times after a bad start
because its actual a real baby the testing sessions will grow every day , and I hope some others are trying to test it too
to gather more results .
cheerz
Hi Breeze.
Excellent Post My Friend.
Great Chat we had the other day Mate.
Well done Buddy.
Lanky.
Hey Lanky
nice to see you around , mate
yea nice conversation we had , and i am down to work the things out like you told me to do ,
i keep you informed in wich progress the project is , alot of work , but when its done we have a powerfull tool.
cheerz
HI All
just finished another test with these numbers :
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;id=38
(nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;id=38)
Its a 200 spin long session where I tested teh 4stage count , with and without the LW strategy , the profits of the non LW play
wich would mean I bet on nearly every spin , are in the H column,
the LW strategy play profit are in the I column and marked in brackets , I played th LW strategy on a easy way after every L I bet on W
nomater if there comes another L , if I played it smartet and bet the LLLs aswell it would be a better ending I guess , but any way I enden up in profit again , with and without LW strategy , but without the LW strategy I had a bad down beat , at the beginning
after 200 spins without LW strategy : 25 units profit
with LW strategy : 12 units profit
again its only flatbetting ,
cheerz
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HI All
Tested this nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/at-maltezan/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/at-maltezan/)
and this is a good example why a good strategy with the LW system will make your day...
i have three different profit sections in this sheet the first one is just flat betting on every spin ,after 130 spins ended with -2
the second one is using the LWs ,but bets just after a L shows on W., after 130 spins ended with -1
the third one is betting after L shows on W after LL on W and after LLL on L , you can see the results for yourself... after 130 spins +3 ;D
just again the LW is a faboulous tool to use.. thnx victor
cheerz
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Hi mate, it is all about trying to make sense of the numbers. Numbers per se mean nothing, it is the player who have to encapsulate it at a framework to suit his/her own style. I'm glad you find Lw's useful for you.
Regards.
Victor
Hi I know but it works well that way...!!????!??!!!
, here is another test I run , from wiesbaden 2007 numbers , I finished the first 400 spins from over 4000 spins ,
and yet another profit if you play this way
Results so far after 400 spins :
just bet on nearly every spin +17 profit ( but that was a bumpy ride)
bet on W after L : +16 units profit (constant)
bet on W after L , Bet on W after LL and bet on L after LLL : +24 profit (constant)
i work on that sheet till its finished and then post the whole 4300 spin session..
cheers
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I did some test with ur idea and till now is good ,but something confused me .
What u do when the "0" occure-of course is a loss,but do u count az +1 or -1 to all four steages?
And i had sutuation when 1st group was for more than 10 spins around -1,0,1 ,and all other 3 groups were deep bellow zerro like -12,-8,-9.In this case occure 8 loss in a row-WLL0LLLLLW ,will u bet after that zerro.
I thing that this idea have some potential ,but more rules must be added.
Hi SpensX
Nice to see someone testing this system baby too , thnx for that now to your questions
when zero shows up , i dont count it in any stages .
if it showes and its a virtual loss and i bet after L on W i place a bet that occures to the situation before the zero showed.
the situation you had with first stage hanging arround at -1,0,1 and all others are deep below zero , you could stay in virtual mode
till the stages change into more stable conditions or you play after LLL on L
i also recomend that if in any stage the counter reaches +50 or -50 reset the counter back to zero.
because the stages are getting not easy to read .
i load a file up from the wiesbaden test i run where you can see that i reset the counter after it reached +50 at stage 2 after 1061 spins
and played on till spin 1200 , iam still running the test till i finnished the 4200 spins..
looks good so far , bet after L on W = +41 units
bet after L on W after LL on W and after LLL on L = +50 units
bet on nearly every spin : +7 units
and your reomended to add more rules to the system , well you can change the way of playing the system to your needs ,
if you have further questions ask , and if you may have some ggod ideas aswell please post them.
till then cheerz
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Hello Breeze88,
Thanks for the answer.
Last night i did a short test ,but i used High/Low numbers(coz i plan to test it for real in Dublinbet,and this allow me to try with minimum 1.5 Euro covering 19-24,25-30,31-36 with 0.5 E chips.
I followed ur rulles-LW,LLW and LLL -L
Was only 60 spins and ended on +5 units :)
Guys ,give some attention to this idea.More brains =more ideas=more tested spins
Breeze88 can u tell me what is ur bigest drawdown in ur tests.:)
In my small data(200 spins) never goes under -2 units.
So ...any opinions about using Red/Black and High/Low at the same time
Hello Breeze88,
I will try to put your system in an Excelfile, automaticly we can make tests for thausands spins.
We can put the results in a graphic and make the definitif conclusions.
Your idea is still good for further reseach.
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ludo8400
Breeze
Perhaps before you came along, Victor designed a way to align columns. I think if you take five minutes to learn it, you will find hitting the comma is much easier than trying to use the vertical pipe to align columns. Here is the syntax and a little of your chart:
stage 1 | stage 2 | stage 3 | stage 4 |
B | | | |
R | | | |
B | | | |
R | | | |<---- make four freespins to collect the data for the fifth spin
B -1 | 1 | -1 | 1 |<---- now what if done here is compared the B with the four previous outcomes
[table=,]
EC,Stage 1,Stage 2,Stage 3, Stage 4,Comments
B
R
B
R,,,,,<-----make four free spins......
B,-1,1,-1,1,<-----now what if done here......
B,0,0,0,0
[/table]
Here's how it looks when you type it:
[escape]
[table=,]
EC,Stage 1,Stage 2,Stage 3, Stage 4,Comments
B
R
B
R,,,,,<-----make four free spins......
B,-1,1,-1,1,<-----now what if done here......
B,0,0,0,0
[/table]
[/escape]
You may uses as many commas as you like to further separate your columns. I use 3.
Colors can automatically be done:
[colors]
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
B
[/colors]
Here's how that looks when you create the chart:
[escape]
[colors]
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
B
[/colors]
[/escape]
I am PMing Victor to see the syntax for putting the chart in colors. I can't do it.
Try the chart anyway. Makes your work much neater.
Sam
HI All
@ SpensX
Good news , from your 60 spins +5 units test , keep it up
i also like this : more brains= more ideas= more tested spins :)
i tried once a session from worm nolinks://vlsroulette.com/brainstorming/my-system-for-quick-profits-no-progression/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/brainstorming/my-system-for-quick-profits-no-progression/)
its a 120 spin session with about 12 zero hits :o but i like to test systems on sessions from hell >:D
and this session is the one with the biggest draw downs i had as you can see below
flatbetting Start BK: 100 unit
bet simply on every trigger , END BK : 94 units <-biggest draw down -8 units
bet after L on W END BK : 103 units <-biggest draw down -2 units
bet after L on W and after LLL on L End BK : 99 units <-biggest draw down -5 units
@ludo8400
Hi mate if you could do this , that would be awesome ;D
because writeing it all by hand is kinda hard and boreing , so if you could code a nice excel program that would make my day ;)[smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
@Sam
Hey Sam
thnx for your advice , i try to make the charts like you showed me , thnx for that mate
So[smiley=3/beerbros.gif] too all
22 B
22 B
26 B
30 R C D E F G
18 R 1 -1 -1 -1
7 R 2 0 -2 -2 VW 1
33 B 1 -1 -3 -1 VL 0
31 B 2 -2 -4 -2 VL -1
Maltezans 4 numberstage
The begin is not correct, can you rectify this Breeze 88
31 B must be VW ( 1 stage)
Breeze88,
hello again, I think there was a mistake in your controle from "Maltezans" , look the 8 number (31, black)
thkxs for feedback
ludo8400
Hi ludo8400
Yepp , thats a mistake you discovered there , it should be VW
thnx again for your work i really appreciate your help mate
Quote from: ludo8400 on December 10, 2008, 07:24:05 PM
22 B
22 B
26 B
30 R C D E F G
18 R 1 -1 -1 -1
7 R 2 0 -2 -2 VW 1
33 B 1 -1 -3 -1 VL 0
31 B 2 -2 -4 -2 VL -1
Maltezans 4 numberstage
The begin is not correct, can you rectify this Breeze 88
31 B must be VW ( 1 stage)
cheerz
Maltezans 4 numberstage excel file automatic in colors and count 4 stages without ZERO
Breeze 88,
when you make the control in the first 17 numbers , I have other decissions as you in your posted file with the same numbers.
Verify!!
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ludo8400
Hey ludo8400
GREAT Work Mate :) that looks awesome thnx for your xmas present ;D
i looked at my maltezan test and yea i made alot of mistakes there ::) , but you have done it right
except here:
8 2 3 -1 -3 -3 VW 0
on spin 13 its a VW but you counted the profit minus 1 instead of +1 except for that lil mistake everything looks fantastic....
thnx again for your work on that
looking forward to hear from you and to know how to handle this excel baby..
cheerz mate
Breeze88
this is real christmas
Play after VL just ones.
look at the grafic and fluctuations between -10 and +15 over 2000 spins
Send your remarks for improving this game.
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ludo8400
breeze88
Try this.
Count the VW and the VL seperately and deduct the "0" in H from the VL in the last posted excel file and look to the result.
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ludo8400
Breeze 88
Excel file without 0 and stages 1,2 3 and 4 fluctuating between -10 and +10
Look also to the graphic
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ludo8400
Breeze 88
Excel file without 0 and stages 1,2 3 and 4 fluctuating between -5 and +5
Look also to the graphic
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ludo8400
Hey Ludo8400
your work is quit impressing :) great
the fluctating between -10 and +10 looks damn good
could you please tell me how i can load spins into the files end check how they are goin?
also is it possible to set different betting points? like showing the graphics when bettint after LLon W and LLL on L or LW on W?
would be quit interresting ,.. thnx for your great work mate
cheerz
Hi Fellas
I just came up with a different way of playing this system
I testet 11000 spins so far and the trend looks quit good , ended up +159 units
I do some more testings on that and post the results and a explantation on how to play
cheerz
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Breeze88
look at the count after W L W,
after L W L
count L and W separately
Page1= RED and black
page2 Impair Pair
page 3 Manque Passe
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ludo8400
Hi ludo8400
well i really would like to know what the columns standfor , i dont get it sorry :-[
i am not really good at reading this excel sheet...
but hey thnx for your work , mate
cheerz
Hi Breeze 88
Page 1
KOLOM L= signal after W than L and you play for W L= LOST, W= WON ( all effectifà
Kolom M = signal after L than W and you play for L
KOLOM N Counter for L and W together L= +1 and W=-1
KOLOM Q = total counter for game on WLW for 3 chances simples
KOLOM R = total counter for game on WLW for 3 chances simples
KOLOM S = total counter for L and W for 3 chances simples
good luck Just for a few points
;)
ludo8400
Hi ludo8400
nice work mate . look at the performance from the LW on L bet after 30000 RNG spins .. nice
also could you configure a sheet wich would bet on repeaters like if W shows bet on W and if L shows bet on L
but only bet once , like for example if W showed bet on W , now the last showed would also be W but we dont bet this time
instead look waht the next outcome is and then bet on the same? would be quit interresting to watch how that performs , because I allready did some manual testing on that and after 50000 Wiesbaden spins I am in +488 units profit
merry Xmas
cheerz
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Hi Guys
I want to show you something you should know about this system I use it with flat betting only and this makes it a truly longterm session system...
as you can see in the graphic below there was a draw down that last for about 4000 spins were I lost 62 units in total but then it startet to grind its way back to profit where I grinded the lost 62 units back , the backgrind lastet for 2000 spins till I broke even...
as you can see this are in total 6000 spins from a drawdown till back to the break even point , that happened thru the testing session I startet from spin 41300 +488 units till spin 45300 +426 untill I grinded back to +488 at spin 47300
but if you came to the table at spin 41300 with +100 units you would have lost in 4000spins 62 units leave you with a bankroll of +38
and after a total of 6000 spins (2000 spins grind back) you would have you starting bankroll of +100 units back...
what I will tell you with that example if you catch a bad run that lasts for several thousand spins , dont panic in the end you will crawl back to your break even point and into profit just stick to this system..... it really works...... I have seen this several times in this test
but this was the longest drawdown back to break even.......
cheerz
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Breeze, I like your old Egyptian symbol Udjat (eye). It says that who wear it will have a long life, good eyes and wide vision. I wear it for 25 years in my wallet. It must be a helper in part of my life's discoveries. It keeps open the eye within.
Hermes
Hi Hermes
Quote from: hermes on January 09, 2009, 12:58:14 AM
Breeze, I like your old Egyptian symbol Udjat (eye). It says that who wear it will have a long life, good eyes and wide vision. I wear it for 25 years in my wallet. It must be a helper in part of my life's discoveries. It keeps open the eye within.
Hermes
Thnx , Mate , thats exactly how i go thru life , with open eyes and a open mind ... and yeah thats what it represents for me too
but its also the eye of the horus , the ancient egyptian god , sun god , sky god , war god ..."the distant one" or "one who is above, over
cheerz
"I am the eye in the sky looking at you; I can read your mind."
Alan Parson Project. Anyone remember? Is that the "eye" he speaks of?
Sam
Breeze I think I read your threads on German forum where I go sometimes too look what's new. But it is the same like everywhere else on forums (GG). Just fight together instead of work together.
2CS, not that one. That one is a satellite eye spaying on you when you are pushing the tar out in the washroom or read your watch and car plate if you are on the street. Nothing to do with God, just with limited human brain.
Hermes
Hi
Breeze88,
Thank you for sharing this nice strategy. You've got some good results so far, keep up the good work! :thumbsup:
I'm joining this thread a bit late actually, hopefully it's not too late to get some assistance with the system.
I've read the whole topic & have plenty of questions that need answer.
Let's start with the first and maybe simplest portion.
Looking at your example of an RNG game at Mapau... I get to the first VL (betting on stage 3), where the current stage count looks like this:
QuoteB -1 | -3 | 3 | 1 |VW
[highlight]B 0 | -4 | 0 | 2 |VL[/highlight] I always track back the number of the dominant stage.. except stages are equal
B 1 | -3 | -1 | 1 | RW stands for Real Win
B 2 | -2 | 0 | 0 |
B 3 | -1 | 1 | 1 |VW
At [highlight]this moment[/highlight] we have a new dominant stage -> stage 4, right?
Instead of betting on it, you track two more spins until you start with the next dominant stage...
Please explain it to me, maybe I missed something?
Just want to be completely clear with the basic rules before stepping up further.
Cheers! :thumbsup:
HI Mistarlupo
Sorry for the late answer but iam a little bit busy right now.. well the system or topic isnt out to date i actually fine tuned it
a lil bit and now i work in a team and we develop a automatic betting software for roulette (RNG and Live) aswell as for Baccarat
also i work on 4 more systems/strategys right now.. .. so alot o work right now...
but to answer your question actually i think i made it a lil bit sloppy because we would bet stage 4 right away so no waiting..
hope it helped...
cheerz mate..
Hello again Breeze88,
Thanks for the answers regarding your interesting strategy. :thumbsup:
Quite frankly, I had not got enough time for tests so no comments from me for now.
I've created a little application that makes stage count calculations for me.
It does not have an indicator about the Lw registry, but soon I'll include it (hopefully).
Have a look if you want, just to verify it for me... thanks!
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg12.imageshack.us%2Fimg12%2F3373%2Fcount4v100.png&hash=d4dd79a5af90f9a26eafba643e230fa6a3037afe)
Hint: You may exit the program by entering the letter e as a last spin value. There is not any
validation of the input values, so if you make a mistake at some point it will either crash or mess up the count.
Regards,
L
Wow Mate ;D
Your one hell of a guy :) .. nice work from ya :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
i will give it a shot...
i didnt know that you are a programmer , just great..
i have some other hot irons in the fire you might would be interrested in i send you a PM
and a Big THANK YOU again for your great job...
cheerz
Hello Mistarlupo,
Thank you very much for your wonderful software. It comes very handy for those who is in the process of testing Breeze88's RB 4 Stage Count + LW. I have tested this system on about 10 occasions in B&M casino. The results are positive though I only won a couple of units each time. All credit goes to you, Breeze88. I played about 150 spins on each visit and have not played long enough to confirm anything. I noticed that the drawdown is quite small and recovery is easy. I believe playing this using Lanky's 6 point divisor should be ideal. I am going to try this out soon. I wonder if anyone have successfully try out using other MM.
Anyway thankyou very much Breeze88 & Mistarlupo.
Regards
sniper
Quotetracking the last 4 outcomes back and compare it with the actual outcome when its the same increase the
stage where it is by 1 and if its the opposite color decrase it by 1 in the stage where it is the opposite ,
Questions.
I read the first post but I don't understand it.
Here I have 4 spins so what do I do now?
What is the stages for do i compare the last 5th with the 4th to see if its same or oppisite?
What do I play next and why?
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R/B, S1, S2, S3, S4,
R,,,,
B,,,,
R,,,,
B,,,,
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Cheers LS