...will approach the table without pen and paper.
He will not be scratching his head trying to remember complicated techniques or burdensome root arrangements.
He'll buy few chips and win many.
He will not have to wait 4,000 spins to show a profit of $4.
Really.
To be continued...
New Ken
and who is that guy? :P
First off, he won't be a guy who didn't believe he'd come up with such a system. That's for sure ;)
Also, our hypothetical guy would not need to have much of a record of recent spins in order to play.
Whoops. Now that sounds like more than just a good system---that sounds like Holy Grail stuff!
Doesn't exist, right?
Nenolinks Ken...!
Let me guess . . . his/her name is Geller or Kreskin or Sylvia Browne. :D
hm,...
Well, I dont rly know what is the point of that thread.. It is about a guy who "should believe" and "would have"....
"He will not have to wait 4,000 spins to show a profit of $4." you didn't tell if he will even have profit..
and I guess that nobody here waits 4,000 spins for a 4$ profit...
Well as I saw from your first post: He'll buy few chips and win many.
So a concept is:
He should believe...
He would have...
He wouldn't have to wait long for oportunity to bet...
He will buy few chips and win many...
That sounds to me that he would have to be extremly lucky..
I dont realy get what you are trying to achive... Get ppl jealous?
You are just talking about how good system should look like, but I bet every single guy on this forum knows how good system should perform.. The bottom line is: It should bring money - Long term
So far I am just wasting time on that thread...
You are just telling how people should get lucky..
Buy few win many:
If guy misses two times and it is out of chips, that doesn't mean that he has a bad system...
At this point I think you're talking about a method, not a system. I've seen a guy do this without giving any indication of emotion. Unfortunatly for me he took his 800 plus profit and I didn't see him again that night.
The guy how had just luck
Any way to improve your luck? ...guys?[smiley=3D-gros-anim/36_2_15.gif]
Karma?
I think what NK is providing are GUIDELINES to evaluate for a working, playable and successful system.
Even if you still do not have the system, I think it is valuable to read NK's hints, as it relates more to actual casino play than one may think. A 1.000.000 spin system is of little use in a casino, you should focus more in winning more actual casino sessions than you lose and have a system which makes win goal it in the least spins possible.
I thank NewKen for taking the time to contribute his views, for sure I want to read more... and guys, let's chill out a bit ;)
Your friend,
Victor
Much thanks, Victor.
And you've made some immediate spot-on observations regarding the purpose of this thread.
So, you see, it's already bearing fruit!
But I'm just getting started...(and, hey, I don't mind the negative comments, y'know. Eventually there'll be a clear course charted, a dawning of understanding...)
New Ken
I was only joking. Hope it didn't felt wrong. Nice to see you share your knowledge and way of thinking Ken.
All together we should turn this game in our advantage.
Ken,
All this make me think of this writing. Don't know if it's true or a hoax.
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I REVEAL A SECRET KNOWN ONLY TO VERY FEW PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS
ALLOW ME TO SHOW YOU WHERE TO LOOK
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TRUE ANSWER
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THATS THE DEAL
Allow me to tell you once and forever...you can... find a bet that will beat the game of roulette.
Allow me tell you once and forever...you can only... find a way to beat the Game...not the Odds.
There are a few bets you can engineer that will give you a profit every time you play a session of roulette. My Trust members and I only use the one bet I developed 13 years ago. There are a small number of bets in use by professional players that will give you a profitable and consistent income. Finding them, or having the knowledge to engineer one is the difficult thing.
Totally honest people and mathematicians who fail to find a way, say it cannot be done. They have been looking at beating the odds. Roulette is a casino owners dream game. The odds as one would normally look at for any betting cannot be beaten. It is the game itself where I and the other professional players have found the answer.
Unfortunately there is much confusion about roulette. I will now try to cut through the absolute rubbish you have been subject to by amateurs and losers who do not understand the game, or the fact the game is random, is actually to your advantage.
You must understand one important fact before you proceed. You will never find a roulette bet that will win every bet you place. You can find a bet that will win more bets or money than losing ones. So for example if you win 3 bets out of every 5 you place at even odds you are winning at a rate of one in five or two in ten. Therefore to win twenty x your bet you would need to plan a session of one hundred bets. Different odds mean a different calculation.
There are numerous reasons why almost 99.9% of people lose...and only one reason why professional people win. Professionals have a formula to beat the game, which they work with and make more winning bets than losing ones.... that's it. It is that simple.
It is of course not that "simple" to find a "bet" that fits into a "formula" to give you a "consistent winning bet". The bottom line here of course, is it possible for an ordinary person to find it? Yes of course....the big...IF is, are you prepared to put some effort into learning. If you are one of the thousands of "expert losers" I have met. You will have to forget all the crap you know, and start afresh.
Do not proceed until you understand each section.
There are of course the millions of losers, and those who bet who will say no. There are of course me and my "Trust" of 64 members...and about 200 more roulette professional players in the world who are living proof...it is a resounding yes!
I am going to tell you how they, all and I found what I call "a consistent winning bet".
We found it by looking at the "Game" not the "Odds", and used a great deal of "lateral thinking" in the research. I was not the greatest of thinkers and found mine by default.
I do, however lucky I may have been...know that of all the winning bets, mine is far superior to all the others in respect of not only simple to use, but the most profitable of all. I am not in the habit of bragging...that is simply a fact. It may well be beaten on performance one day, by one of you.
Many people included the over-educated do not understand this concept of thinking. You can get many books on this subject and study. Please allow me to show you some "shortcuts" the average person can use without years of brain training
First you must know all there is to know about "roulette" and all the "conventional" bets, the table, and wheel layout etc. If, as most punters in the casinos, you don't know the basics, you deserve to lose. Quite simple...if you're not totally professional, you are the mug punter casinos love.
To find a consistent winning bet you must forget all about "the maths" of roulette. You must forget all the silly "systems" that abound. You must apply the finest asset man has available to him. It is pure commonsense. Maths of course will come to play its part when testing the consistency and profitability of the bet you formulate. If it is consistent and profitable...the odds have been taken care of.
Now you see that trying to beat the odds will only distract you from trying to find a bet that beats the game. Beating the game? Simple...lets look at the game properly, and what happens in roulette that is totally different to any other casino game.
Here are the three main "Traps" and why, unless you can beat them...you cannot win. To beat them you must understand them. No "shortcuts" here, if you don't learn...you will not earn. Roulette players will not accept that all they do is...guess! But that's a fact! They are the world's biggest losers..., which open the cash door to professional players.
Roulette produces random results:
1. Roulette series results
2. Roulette mixed results
3. Roulette cross combination results
I could go on and on, but understanding those three will lead you to finding a consistent winning bet. There are only a few that will give you a profit return to secure your wealth for life. Some are of course better than others in percentage returns. Professional players or city money dealers will know that even a small but consistent margin can make a fortune if exploited regular.
Lets continue with proven facts like this. Lets deal with each of those "killer" traps.
SERIES RESULTS:
Because roulette is random it means that anything can happen and at anytime within the parameters of the game. Because it is random it throws up colours, numbers, dozens, even bets, and blocks in short and longer series. This results in a "pattern" that you may recognise. A good lesson to look at these patterns, because it will teach your brain how to think about roulette.
However you will not find a consistent winning bet within any of the series simply because you will never know when the change comes. This kind of bet is often touted by the roulette system sharks. You will lose...twice.
MIXED RESULTS:
These are the kind that jump all over the table or wheel. Look closely and of course you can see patterns of a kind too. Ie. abccbaabcabcdca ...etc. Same rules as above apply.
CROSS COMBINATION RESULTS:
This is probably the area where there is the most confusion, and perfect for the sharks to sell you a system. There is no such thing as "Cross combination results" They are simply past results that anyone can say...look at how many reds followed high etc.etc. It is wide open to impress you with what's looks clever. I have to cover this crap because so many "experts" and "sellers" all over the Internet use this.
They are all traps you use, and lose. You have to set your own trap that consistently traps more winners than losers. Only correct knowledge can help you find one. Proceed slowly.
THIS IS THE KEY TO THE DOOR TO FINDING THAT WINNING BET:
You will need to know as much as possible about roulette
Now you should look in detail at all the moves that happen on a roulette table. (Not the wheel) At first or even second glance you will perhaps not see them, because you are looking at all the conventional moves. This is the "Unconventional" thinking you need
This is the only place where you find that genuine winning bet. There is nothing complicated about the bets you can find. For example...our bet is "automatic". We know where to bet each and every spin of the wheel. We know that individual bets do not matter win or lose...because we know that we will have enough winning bets to return a great profit every session.
To the best of my knowledge there are four winning bets in total to be found within the game. I have learned to always keep an open mind. Therefore I accept there may be others I have no knowledge of. I do know that this website is miss-named! It should be 4million.com because that is the average I earned from my bet in 13 years play.
There is no-one only yourself, stopping you from doing exactly the same. Dreams are a wonderful to have...but without the action to turn them to reality...they remain just a dream.
I can tell you that it may not be easy, and may take you some time, but you are now looking in the right place, where you can spend all your time, effort, and research. There are a few bets that can be engineered from certain movements. Some have a very small risk factor, ranging to a bet like ours with a proven no risk factor at all. The only risk coming from the casino management. (See page 5 on how to deal with that.)
Now you can perhaps make one more clever move yourself. For instance...if you can find a bet that has real "Stability", and it does not lose, but does not give you a profit, you could look and test to see if there is "A BET WITHIN THAT BET". It will be a slow winner...but a winner is a winner! It also may be that the "CONSISTENCY" is so good you can bet quite heavy. You may just need a "Dummy" (no win - no lose) bet to while the time. (see page 5)
I am going to give you one last clue that will take you as far as I can without giving the bet away. Make a list of every move that can happen...check out the possibilities of each move...if you have not found the right ones...you must look again. They are there and that is a proven fact. It may take you some time...the payoff is huge...and for life!
Now you know why I have cancelled my email advice service. I cannot tell you more without disclosing our bet. I will therefore not answer any questions. There is a comprehensive Q & A page to help you Page 6
FOOD FOR THOUGHT......TRAIN YOUR BRAIN
If you found a bet that was guaranteed to consistently... LOSE.
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OK, JHM.
That post has the Big Ad feel about it but, interestingly, it does have good points.
The guy who has a good system would have kept an open mind to anything rational (and even strained to consider the seemingly irrational!)
Onward...
I agree with you. But the whole website is dedicated to children in need. The guy does not want to share his bet. Only want to give the base information needed to find it. And in return he asks to help children in need.
There is not even a email address. For myself it changed my view on the game.
Back to the guy you referring to, do you know a person like that or have you ever meet any?
We're looking at the guy (or gal, hey) who already has the (or a ) good system. Just like you, he's probably researched, studied, invented, experimented, had hope, failed, tried again, given up, restarted...the works.
Then something happened; what has historically happened in every field of study that sought a breakthrough in its endeavours...
If the guy does not exist, or cannot exist---well, it goes against history, doesn't it?
New Ken!
....... he has won 52 million ponds with roulette...... however his website looks s...!! 52 million ponds, yah right!!
Question: If you would have won 52 million ponds of roulette would you be on the Internet with that kind of an website??
Carlitos 8)
Quote from: Carlitos on November 28, 2008, 03:02:42 PM
....... he has won 52 million with roulette...... however his website looks s...!! 52 million, yah right!!
Carlitos 8)
he also used a very expensive camera for his photos :)
............ could be Boo_Ray, i haven't seen them??
By the way, there is an Squirrel on the back of your head..... ;D
Carlitos 8)
............ i do not see he is selling something.......???? Anyone read the whole site??
Carlitos 8)
Quote from: Carlitos on November 28, 2008, 03:25:49 PM
Anyone read the whole site??
Are you crasy? Cant look at the page without getting a headake
Ok, maybe I should come in here. Apparently THAT guy got people's attention. Well, why not...
But certainly, folks, if we're not going to examine something, a principle, the person offered or pointed out---why bother knocking him?
Just my view...
New Ken
52 millions ponds. Thats English ponds. About 75 million dollars i guess. He, knocks himself out...............
Carlitos 8)
Carlitos,
I posted that text not for the 52 million pounds, not for the claim that Charlie is an ex playboy.
I don't know if you have read the whole text I pasted? You're missing the main goal. It's the view on the game. Thinks he says like:
- Don't try to beat the odds, don't look at the wheel, look what's moving on the table
- If you can find a bet that continuous loses, than you have a bet that continuous wins, don't you?
I like to refresh and change my view and approach on the game continuous.
I can remember you made fun out of me when I posted my failure on G.U.T. and that I won in fun mode. But you never knew that 'fun' mode at Dublinbet is the same as real mode. Both live feed from the casino.
JHM, you've got the right approach, I think. And if we could move along those lines, then we're getting closer to our ORIGINAL guy...
That rest of stuff about who's legit or not is all beside the point.
Yes, there are different ways of looking at the game---maybe winning ways!
New Ken...
Ken,
I was just reading old posts and found a nice post by ray. He says you have to beat randomness to beat the game.
Can we beat randomness, if so, how do we beat randomness?
To give some input on the topic:
- The doesn't stay to long at one casino
- He stays low
- He travels from casino to casino were he collects small winning which make a big winning together
- He takes his losses and leave when he is having a bad day
We'll figure this guy out Ken, than finetune him.
Of course we will, JHM! Or why is everybody on the site, anyway.
Now, what if our guy has a heart and wants to share his knowledge---he's got real issues now...
He has to divulge without divulging, if you understand. He fears the casinos, possible casino "plants" on sites like these, all sorts of things.
But he'll probaly lead you midway along the road, and hope you can figure the rest.
And this has possibly happened already, or is happening...
New Ken
JHM, that 52 million ponds i read on his website was not because i read it from you. Later on in other post i saw that you also mentioned it. So i'am not critizing you because of the 52 million but i also read it on the header of his website.
I did mean not to make fun out of you about the Dublin thread you posted. However, even it may be the same i do not trust any online casino.
Carlitos 8)
Carlitos, that 52M FIGURE got you stuck there, man? C'mon...
New Ken
Quote from: JHM on November 28, 2008, 04:10:28 PM
- Don't try to beat the odds, don't look at the wheel, look what's moving on the table
- If you can find a bet that continuous loses, than you have a bet that continuous wins, don't you?
This is phychological game or "the rithm method" and it is an already-walked path for several spanish players. It is claimed to work!
Basically, you look for:
- A winning player, mimic his bets (best prospect playing small ammount of numbers).
- A losing player, bet against him (best prospect are even chancers and double-dozen ones).
It is called the
phychological game because you'll spot them out of their behaviour. The players will be the ones telling you at what level of their personal streak they are and you have to act like a phychologist "reading them" to lay your bets accordingly.
Also, the tweaks:
- A winning table -in the casino's eye- wiping the players while many numbers are covered, you place your chips on the portion of uncovered numbers.
- A losing table -for the casino- with few players covering a little portion of numbers, you back those numbers.
Like our fellow forumer goodhand says, the house has streaks too, and those are playable :)
With irregular tables/players, you do not bet. You only bet when you are sure.
With tables/players that turn non-productive as you bet, you just try to lose the least.
This is only to be applied at land-based casinos.
I can bring more info on this modality of play shall anyone be interested, but it will need translation.
Best regards,
Victor
Quote from: VLSroulette on November 28, 2008, 06:33:33 PM
I can bring more info on this modality of play shall anyone be interested, but it will need translation.
Best regards,
Victor
Yes please Victor [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Always trying to evolve.... 8)
Ken,
What do you mean by ''He has to divulge without divulging''. I don't understand the word divulge. I'm from the Netherlands, that's why. Could you please explain.
Victor,
I'm interested. Thank you for sharing this knowledge and info. From now back to a few months ago before I found this forum. I really learned so much in thinking, playing and more. This forum really is a great source where knowledge and ideas are shared.
I would also like to thank you for giving me acces to Mr. Chips area. And your kind words in the ''How to find a winning bet'' topic. Where I am today I would have never been without this forum. Thank you again for making this all possible.
In would like to see this as a study club.
Regards,
Jur
Hi Folks,
QuoteCarlitos, that 52M FIGURE got you stuck there, man? C'mon...
New Ken
Sorry to dissepoint you New Ken, but no way. It just proves it's an load of rubbish.......
Carlitos 8)
To JHM--- to divulge without divulging: to reveal without revealing in entirety; or to give hints.
To Carlitos---whatever you think is true is your perogative. But you know you are incapable of forcing your views on anyone (well, I hope you know this...).
The guy who has a good system probably didn't get bogged down in silly arguments about who won 52 M pounds, or whatever.
New Ken!
a good system = a winning system, if you produce £1 after 1,000,000 spins its a winning system, most systems will never survive that.
£4 in 4000 spins is ok, you would just use £100 or higher stakes and play at mutliple casinos, problem solved!
Quote from: ryan08 on November 29, 2008, 07:25:57 PM
a good system = a winning system, if you produce £1 after 1,000,000 spins its a winning system, most systems will never survive that.
£4 in 4000 spins is ok, you would just use £100 or higher stakes and play at mutliple casinos, problem solved!
of cos but you got to have a big bank to maximise your profits mate,still I think its workable just a time factor
Quote from: ryan08 on November 29, 2008, 07:25:57 PMa good system = a winning system, if you produce £1 after 1,000,000 spins its a winning system, most systems will never survive that.
£4 in 4000 spins is ok, you would just use £100 or higher stakes and play at mutliple casinos, problem solved!
ryan08,
I do not agree with you, mate...
There is a huge difference between
spins and
bets.
Actually, it's not so hard to produce £1 after billion spins.
But this does not make any system good or always winning.
It would be a problem with billion bets, though.
It is probably exactly what you had in mind... :)
Regards,
m
And who among us will live to see a billion spins?
Theories are wonderful until you're hungry and try to eat one.
Samster
Myabe we're understanding that a good system can be one that works for, say, less than 1,000 spins...?
New Ken
Ken,
I think a system need to survive at leas 5 - 10.000 spins. If you play a few hundred you could be having a winning streak. When you do an bigger test you know winning and losing streaks are both in it. Personally I think it gives a better view on the system.
- A working system does not play many spins.
I think I'm up to something thanks to Charles, BUT I have had that thought many many times. Sometimes it failed miserably just around 1000 spins. Sometimes it failed miserably at 2000 spins.
I have an idea if wecould find a system that loses badly and bet against it but that doesnt exist either because according to some we lose according to the casino edge
Theories are wonderful until you're hungry and try to eat one.
I'm hungry :'(
oh, boy.
ah, I seem to have come across a ridiculously simple system, people.
I'm betting a certain two columns at 10 units apiece (20 units a spin). Flat bets only.
I've won 35 out of 50 spins.
Ending up with 50 units profit.
And it wont stop, it seems!
Help!
Nenolinks Ken...
Ken,
How much spins tested?
I'm testing a simple bet right now (have sent it also to you). First 300 spins won 3 out of 5. Now 1000 spins have won 2.74 out of 5.
New ken
try this session out, maybe it will help
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/Worm
JHM and Worm, I'll get back to both of you on those things soon. Looking at some stuff first...
New Ken
Ken,
The bet I have sent you is not the bet. I can say now after 1000 spins. Loses to much.
I'm looking now if there's a bet in that bet.
Don't worry, JHM. I did a test of my own using Worm's numbers and I'm only breaking even.
Lateral thinking is what Charles Hampshire advocates, and this should be noted, I think.
Here's a real definition of that:
LATERAL THINKING
Definition
Idea generation and problem solving technique in which new concepts are created by looking at things in novel ways.
Whereas the logical ('vertical') thinking carries a chosen idea forward, the sideways ('lateral') thinking provokes fresh ideas or changes the frame of reference.
And, while vertical thinking tries to overcome problems by meeting them head-on, lateral thinking tries to bypass them through a radically different approach.
The term was coined by the Maltese-born UK psychologist Dr. Edward de Bono in his 1970 book 'Lateral Thinking.'
(See also heuristics.)
New Ken!
Breaking even on those numbers are very good i think, they are kind of nightmare ;)
Worm, you say your numbers are a nightmare, and that may be so because of the number of zeros included; but we need "hard tests", so I'm grateful anyway.
JHM, we may need a system using a majority of numbers--THAT LOSES.
Then we play the opposite.
(Refer to how Charles Hampshire came across his winning bet)
New Ken!
Ken,
If you want to track numbers and see what happens. You should look for track 2, 3 or 4. It's a great tool. You can put numbers in and it show's you how much the numbers have felt. It's originally designed for G.U.T. but a great tool for tracking.