To take an extreme example, do you think the casino would care if you went everyday to win $5 and leave immediately afterwards?
I mean, assuming you never lose, that's $1800 in a year.
Would they think of some way to stop you?
I'm sure they would not care in the slightest. They make millions and millions each year.
the day will come when you will find yourself in over your head what do you do go home or try to recoup your losses. even if you back 35 numbers. you will hit that patch from hell. its a fallacy that you always win at first. good luck
toey,
Why do you think these ~10,000 spins that you'll get after one year of playing
will differ from these that you can get in one single session (one day)?
Regards,
m
No no, I understand the house edge, but my question is really directed to the casino's concerns. Granted, they make millions per year, but if, say, 10 people did this it'd be a $18,000 loss for them per year, and so on.
It's still (very) minor winnings. Think of the people that lose $10 000 in one night. Then think of the high rollers that lose $100 000 in one night, and so on.
the casinos will welcome you. there are winners and losers every spin. the only sure winner is the casino.
my casino gives away 1000 dollars a hour. what does that tell you. if you can win five dollars a day why not a thousand. it can not be done. prove me wrong. tell me how.
Toey,
I've asked many people a similar question over the years. "Do you think anyone would care if I visited the casino daily and took $100 bucks?" Here were some of the answers:
"Are you kidding me, the casinos could care less about your $100 bucks"
"You will eventually get banned. The casinos don't care about the guy taking $10,000 in one night, but they do care about the people who are consistent in their take."
"The casinos are glad you are there. The longer you play the more likely it is that you will lose."
"It depends on what and how you are playing, a real wheel or machine and if you are tracking for long periods of time."
Hope it helps ....
Wally
if you play roulette you are taking home the other players money. at the end of the day the table you are playing on will show a profit. that is all the casino cares about . not whether you lose or win. you will be back no matter what. good luck.
Quote from: Wally Gator on December 29, 2008, 12:08:50 AM
Toey,
I've asked many people a similar question over the years. "Do you think anyone would care if I visited the casino daily and took $100 bucks?" Here were some of the answers:
"Are you kidding me, the casinos could care less about your $100 bucks"
"You will eventually get banned. The casinos don't care about the guy taking $10,000 in one night, but they do care about the people who are consistent in their take."
"The casinos are glad you are there. The longer you play the more likely it is that you will lose."
"It depends on what and how you are playing, a real wheel or machine and if you are tracking for long periods of time."
Hope it helps ....
Wally
Thanks mate, that's really what I was after. I was just very curious as to the casino's attitude towards such people.
Guys.....
Do the casinos still ban card counters? Not those who think they can; those who take the casino for thousands each week.
Sam
my casino shows a huge profit every year. the only losers are the punters. any money you win in the casino comes out of the pockets of the players. i think every body loses in the long run. todays winners are tomorrows losers. stand and watch the roulette table for a few spins. some spins the casino takes the lot. are there any long term winners here.
What's your definition of 'long term'?
Ron. ???
Quote from: Shorty on December 28, 2008, 06:26:38 AM
I'm sure they would not care in the slightest. They make millions and millions each year.
More like each week. And in some capital cities across the world, each day.
one year
Then, yes, I would qualify. :)
Nice .....
any chance of telling me your system
I'm sure many others here do better than me.
I don't just play one system. I play several with a fair bit of "intelligence" thrown in. I have been doing best with outside betting of single dozens. Roughly speaking, I bet last dozen spun after 2/3 losses or bet a dozen not shown in last 7-10 spins. Both are played with a mild progression. I usually am watching for the best opportunity at between 3 and 6 tables (This depends on which casino I'm at). I vary where I stop my progression, depending on how I'm doing, how I'm feeling, or maybe by gut feel.
Lately I've tried Ronjo's dozens with similar results and sometimes I add single columns to the betting. I wait longer to bet on columns.
I will also play for Dealer Signature if I can find it.
Ron.
Hi Toey & hoper,
Coincidences often occur.
This site sells an ebook that uses hit and run technique and also aims for 5 or 6 units profit session.
It seems is betting on 1 column and 1 dozen based on Law of the Third.
nolinks://nolinks.winning-at-roulette.com/the-edge/ (nolinks://nolinks.winning-at-roulette.com/the-edge/)
================================
I remark some phrases :
-Very small bankroll needed - you need a table bankroll of 7 units (5 times reserve) and a 150 units lifetime bankroll
-No progression - just flat betting
Law of the third
It is a mathematical fact that within 37 spins about 2 thirds of the numbers appear - some appear twice or three times but one third won't appear at all. Just get 37 spins from a casino and check that yourself. As the dozens and columns are chances of the third this law can be applied best to those chances. In every series of spins you can see that 2 dozens and 2 columns appear more often than the 3rd dozen or coulmn. Mr. White developed a way to detect one column and one dozen to bet on and win. With this system you have the numbers and chances at your side!
We tested 'The edge' in a reputable online casino (Intercasino) - here are the results:
Day Result Overall
1 +5 +5
2 +6 +11
3 -7 +4
4 +5 +9
5 +5 +14
6 +5 +19
7 +5 +24
8 -3 +21
9 0 +21
10 +6 +27
11 +5 +32
12 +5 +37
13 +5 +42
14 +5 +47
15 +6 +53
16 -7 +46
17 +5 +51
18 +5 +56
19 +5 +61
20 +5 +66
21 +6 +72
22 +5 +77
23 +5 +82
24 +5 +87
25 +5 +92
26 +5 +97
27 +5 +102
28 -4 +98
29 +5 +101
30 +5 +106
We played 30 days in May 2002 at Intercasino
We were playing the rules as stated in the book
We always stopped when we had a plus of 5 units or more
We always stopped at -7 units or when we a 3rd circumstance took effect
We used 25$ units
After 30 days we had a total profit of 2650$
=====================================
-Bankroll session = 7 units
-According to this the sessions are very short (2-3 spins - hit and run).
-Bet 1D and 1C - that uses 2 chips.
So is 2 + 2 + 2 = 6 units (3 bets) ...... 1 unit out??? :o :o :o :-\ :-\
-But how to use the Law of the Third applied to dozen or column??
In every series of spins you can see that 2 dozens and 2 columns appear more often than the 3rd dozen or coulmn. Mr. White developed a way to detect one column and one dozen to bet on and win.
From this we get that makes a track maybe for 9 or 12 spins and counts which column or dozen is trending and bet on that 2 on those 3 or 4 spins flat bet.
What you think???
Cheers, :) :) ;)
JLP.-
I think Charles's view about the fact that one needs to appear to be a mug punter would only help prolong your ability to continue to make your daily withdrawls.
Make it appear like you also play slots or something with a high house edge.
Is any 1 useing the edge system and WINNING in other words is it a VG System .What you say . Colin
Colin
I had pictured you as being older! ;D Why, you're just a pup!
What is a VG system? Visual Geography? Geometry?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 27, 2009, 05:19:47 PM
Colin
I had pictured you as being older! ;D Why, you're just a pup!
What is a VG system? Visual Geography? Geometry?
Sam
Hey Sam,
I think Colin refers here to HG = Holy Grail
Cheers,
JLP.-
Sam the photo flatters i am an old grey dog by the way over here means Very Good .Cheers .Colin
Quote from: JLP on January 03, 2009, 02:41:32 AM
Hi Toey & hoper,
Coincidences often occur.
This site sells an ebook that uses hit and run technique and also aims for 5 or 6 units profit session.
It seems is betting on 1 column and 1 dozen based on Law of the Third.
nolinks://nolinks.winning-at-roulette.com/the-edge/ (nolinks://nolinks.winning-at-roulette.com/the-edge/)
================================
I remark some phrases :
-Very small bankroll needed - you need a table bankroll of 7 units (5 times reserve) and a 150 units lifetime bankroll
-No progression - just flat betting
Law of the third
It is a mathematical fact that within 37 spins about 2 thirds of the numbers appear - some appear twice or three times but one third won't appear at all. Just get 37 spins from a casino and check that yourself. As the dozens and columns are chances of the third this law can be applied best to those chances. In every series of spins you can see that 2 dozens and 2 columns appear more often than the 3rd dozen or coulmn. Mr. White developed a way to detect one column and one dozen to bet on and win. With this system you have the numbers and chances at your side!
We tested 'The edge' in a reputable online casino (Intercasino) - here are the results:
Day Result Overall
1 +5 +5
2 +6 +11
3 -7 +4
4 +5 +9
5 +5 +14
6 +5 +19
7 +5 +24
8 -3 +21
9 0 +21
10 +6 +27
11 +5 +32
12 +5 +37
13 +5 +42
14 +5 +47
15 +6 +53
16 -7 +46
17 +5 +51
18 +5 +56
19 +5 +61
20 +5 +66
21 +6 +72
22 +5 +77
23 +5 +82
24 +5 +87
25 +5 +92
26 +5 +97
27 +5 +102
28 -4 +98
29 +5 +101
30 +5 +106
We played 30 days in May 2002 at Intercasino
We were playing the rules as stated in the book
We always stopped when we had a plus of 5 units or more
We always stopped at -7 units or when we a 3rd circumstance took effect
We used 25$ units
After 30 days we had a total profit of 2650$
=====================================
-Bankroll session = 7 units
-According to this the sessions are very short (2-3 spins - hit and run).
-Bet 1D and 1C - that uses 2 chips.
So is 2 + 2 + 2 = 6 units (3 bets) ...... 1 unit out??? :o :o :o :-\ :-\
-But how to use the Law of the Third applied to dozen or column??
In every series of spins you can see that 2 dozens and 2 columns appear more often than the 3rd dozen or coulmn. Mr. White developed a way to detect one column and one dozen to bet on and win.
From this we get that makes a track maybe for 9 or 12 spins and counts which column or dozen is trending and bet on that 2 on those 3 or 4 spins flat bet.
What you think???
Cheers, :) :) ;)
JLP.-
From what I could grasp from the site and the explanation they gave I tried to reconstruct the method simulating one session.
Here are the simulated rules :
Hit & Run System
Win target/session = 5 units.
Loss session = -7 units.
Bankroll session = 7 units.
Lifetime Bankroll = 150 units.
Flat Bet - no progression.
Here is the test.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg185.imageshack.us%2Fimg185%2F4131%2Ftheedgehitrunsystemzi1.jpg&hash=89fc17a2b3d1de1aaadc516c9bc44edafbd16f13)
Cheers,
JLP.-
JLP,
I think this description matches one of Victor's ideas here...
Have a look at this thread: VLS' Mill - Flat betting plan (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/vls'-notes/vls'-mill-flat-betting-plan/)
Well, it's probably slightly different approach, but looks like the same idea to me.
Actually, I'm doing tests on this and I'll have some results really soon.
If you've got some ideas, please do post. Unity renders power, you know... :thumbsup:
Regards,
m
Quote from: mistarlupo on January 27, 2009, 11:19:16 PM
JLP,
I think this description matches one of Victor's ideas here...
Have a look at this thread: VLS' Mill - Flat betting plan (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/vls'-notes/vls'-mill-flat-betting-plan/)
Well, it's probably slightly different approach, but looks like the same idea to me.
Actually, I'm doing tests on this and I'll have some results really soon.
If you've got some ideas, please do post. Unity renders power, you know... :thumbsup:
Regards,
m
Hi mistarlupo,
You are right mate.
The approach is very similar (target 5 -10 units/session) - flat bet.
Only Victor works with only 1 Dozen or 1 Column at a time and not both.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Can be?
22 2 1
7 1 1
19 2 1
30 3 3
18 2 3
29 3 2
25 3 1
33 3 3
24 2 3
36 2 -1
12 -1 -1
27 3 3
19 2 1
21 2 2
9 1 3 -1 2
2 1 2
10 -1 -1
8 -1 -1
18 2 3
9 1 3
33 3 3
10 -1 -1
33 2 2 2
17 2 2
1 1 1
22 -1 -1
12 2 2
3 1 3
10 1 1
25 -1 -1
14 -1 -1 0
14 2 2
28 3 1
14 -1 -1
17 -1 -1
6 1 3
3 1 3
10 2 -1
36 -1 2
2 1 2
30 3 3
8 2 -1
2 2 -1
2 1 2
18 2 3
18 -1 2
0 -1 -1
5 1 2 2 -1
21 2 3
0 0 0
29 3 2
23 -1 -1
24 -1 2
17 2 2
26 3 2
4 1 1
17 -1 2
7 2 -1
7 1 1
13 2 1
12 -1 -1
33 -1 -1 -3
11 1 2
18 2 3
6 -1 -1
13 2 -1
36 3 3
2 1 2
19 -1 -1
3 2 2
26 3 2
3 1 3
26 3 2
11 2 2
14 -1 2 3
3 1 3
14 2 2
4 2 -1
17 -1 2 5
1
27
Hi Edgardo,
Wow!!! ??? :-X
That was a long run to get that 5 units.
Which progression are you using there - how is it??
Can you explain??
Cheers, :D
JLP.-
Estimado JLP, no uso progresión y solo segui lo que vos posteastes, solamente que con una pérmanencia dificil. Se me ocurrio despues de nueve números salidos, jugar los próxmos dos, como lo haces vos, si no llego al objetivo de 5 unidades, dejo pasar dos números mas, y vuelvo a ver los nueve números anteriores y asi sucesivamente.
1 1 1
1 1 1
34 3 1
15 2 3
10 1 1
20 2 2
20 2 2
2 1 2
20 2 2
2 -1 2
7 -1 -1
3 1 3
29 3 2
28 -1 -1
4 2 -1
23 2 2
27 3 3
17 2 2
11 -1 2
18 2 3
30 3 3
26 -1 -1
31 -1 -1
6 1 3
4 1 1
12 1 3
11 2 -1
30 -1 2
20 2 2
35 3 2
6 1 3
11 2 -1
3 2 2 6
Como ves, llegamos a +6. Si cuando tengo que tomar nueve números, me da empate en docenas o columnas, tomo una bola mas, y asi hasta desempatar.
A continuación, pongo una que pierde:
2 1 2
7 1 1
6 1 3
8 1 2
21 2 3
4 1 1
29 3 2
5 1 2
16 2 1
29 -1 2
27 -1 -1
8 1 2
2 1 2
27 -1 -1
18 -1 -1
3 1 3
31 3 1
16 -1 -1 -7
Es solo una idea.
Un saludo cordial, Edgardo.
Edgardo,
Sí, ahora lo entiendo. :D
Habría que hacer un muestreo de 30 tests como está explicado en la página y ver como anda.
Pero por lo que se ve, creo que puede andar.
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Yes, now I understand.
We have to make a sample of at least 30 tests as it is explained in the webpage and see how it´s going.
But for what we can see, I think it can go well.
Cheers,
JLP.-